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00:00Let's get down to business, Nelson, because unfortunately Rodrigo Alegre is already with us.
00:04We have to talk about a tragedy in the Villa Devoto neighborhood.
00:08Ah, we want to believe the inclement weather of this winter with temperatures below zero.
00:14We entered this cold wave where a family of grandparents, ah, children and grandchildren.
00:21Unfortunately, there are five dead.
00:23How terrible, huh? Really, right?
00:25Ah, let's go to Ana Ortiz who was there. Let's go, Ana.
00:28Good evening.
00:28Ah, well, according to the characteristics.
00:31Mr. Nelson, good evening.
00:32Now we are talking to Martin Lopez Calvo, who is in charge of the fire brigade team, who is very kindly assisting us.
00:38Ah, what did you find and what are the recommendations that you make to all of us who are watching and who are stunned, right?
00:44Seeing this tragedy in the Devoto neighborhood.
00:46Excuse me, let's go back to this explanation that you were giving regarding what they found there.
00:51This was due to carbon monoxide, it's 99% certain.
00:54Yes, I don't know if it's 99%, but anyway, it's presumed to be carbon monoxide poisoning given the characteristics.
01:01That's right.
01:02We found a water heater and a boiler in the kitchen.
01:05The boiler seems to be used for heating, water radiators, and the water heater, well, for sanitary use, right?
01:14Dishwashing, bathing, etc.
01:16You were.
01:17Just telling me the difference with respect to a gas leak.
01:20It's completely different.
01:21This is different because what the gas from the network does is displace oxygen, and the carbon monoxide mixes, let's say, with the oxygen, but in a certain way it also displaces it and takes up the volume of the air, the carbon monoxide, and when you inhale it, you get poisoned.
01:39And earlier today when there was a 911 call, the police arrived in the city, the same arrived, but they couldn't enter the entire house until you arrived.
01:47And that's exactly why, right? Because there's a protocol and because it's very dangerous.
01:52Exactly.
01:53When faced with high concentrations of carbon monoxide, one can die almost immediately.
02:00So, the city's fire department fire brigade, with autonomous equipment, can enter, won't get poisoned, and can perform first aid maneuvers like opening windows and everything to secure the area.
02:11Once it's secured, well, same was then able to enter to unfortunately certify the victim's deaths.
02:19Terrible.
02:20Nelson Domi, if you have any questions, I'll forward them to.
02:23I would like to ask you two questions.
02:26If carbon monoxide is not perceptible, it doesn't have an odor, it can't be transmitted to a specialist.
02:32And how long does it take? Because this is also what worries me. How much time do you have in a situation like this?
02:39Is it minutes, seconds, or an hour or two hours, and then this could have a fatal outcome?
02:46Sure. Two questions, forwarded by Dominique.
02:49First, if one can perceive carbon monoxide, which you told me you can't, and the next explanation is linked to how much time one has, right?
02:56From the moment this happens, until they can escape or not. How long were they there?
03:01Yes, there are certain particularities, right? That must be taken into account.
03:05Carbon monoxide has no odor, no color, no taste, there is no way to detect it.
03:11At low concentrations, one becomes intoxicated and the particularity is that it accumulates in the body.
03:17So, if I become intoxicated today with low concentrations, tomorrow I will continue to be intoxicated, a little less,
03:24but as I become intoxicated it can be lethal.
03:29At high concentrations I can directly faint and lose my life.
03:33Nelson Domi, we are going to connect Martin Lopez call though, so that you can ask him because it is a...
03:39Perfect topic. While you do that, Anna, calmly connect Martin and we will come back to you, so we can do it properly.
03:46Who knows all this?
03:47Go ahead, let's see, so far a call to 911 that arrives around 4.25pm they report that there were two people who potentially passed out inside the property.
03:58The city police, in this case from the police station, go and find that on the mezzanine there were three deceased people,
04:04a man and a woman, and a minor, initially four to five years old.
04:09And then, on the first floor, they find another married couple and in an adjoining room a child of two or three years old who is the one who survives,
04:18they immediately transfer them to the Subisarata hospital.
04:21I understand that now they have referred him to the Gutierrez hospital, that he is stable,
04:26obviously with the help of oxygen, with oxygen therapy, but that in principle, based on the information provided by the police, he is out of danger.
04:34But anyway, that is the sequence, what I understand is that an autopsy by the forensic medical team is scheduled for 10am tomorrow in the courthouse building.
04:44And finally, at least 10 minutes ago, experts were waiting to enter the house to conduct initial expert reports, to see what happened, right?
04:53And where the carbon monoxide issue was.
04:56Of course, the technical explanation for why carbon monoxide kills immediately, is because the carbon monoxide in red blood cells absorbs oxygen, right?
05:05And then we breathe.
05:08Carbon monoxide has a phenomenal affinity for red blood cells and blocks the uptake of oxygen.
05:15That's why it kills you practically instantly, and it's very difficult.
05:18That image is incredible, because they're clearly warning the woman in the long white jacket about the situation if someone comes running, right?
05:29And they come over to take a look at the environment.
05:31Yes, it seems that it is frustrating, without a doubt because this carbon monoxide took over the entire house.
05:51I remember, I know that house, I don't know if they are still the same family.
05:54I took private lessons there in that house with a man in math classes when I was in high school.
06:06I lived around the corner in my school, it's around the corner and I know the houses perfectly.
06:11Those very large English style houses that surely have, of course, those boilers that heat, which are very good but that, uh, you need to check them.
06:19All the time to do it or even recently, I insist on the same thing.
06:27I bought the device that detects the presence of carbon monoxide.
06:30I bought it three weeks ago and it came out 500.
06:34Of course, nothing is very important to check.
06:37Of course, because people, uh, are different about gas leaks.
06:41Many believe that it is the same, so they say, well, I don't smell gas, there is no problem.
06:46It is not different, carbon monoxide is not a gas leak, it is a different production and it is lethal, you can't smell anything.
06:53Right? That's tremendous.
06:56And there, the people in the exam, especially including, if I'm not mistaken, it was a married couple who had a daughter and two sons.
07:05Some of the children were still living at home, and the parents, I don't remember their situation now because apparently some of them had come abroad, the elderly.
07:13Anna, let's continue with you.
07:15Are you with the specialist too?
07:17Yes, yes, Domi.
07:19And before we went to see him, you were talking about the family.
07:21Yes, they were the parents of three children.
07:26One of them is at home, this other one is probably also, and one is the one who died inside.
07:31Because we're talking about the two grandchildren.
07:34Well, the granddaughter who died and the little one, a son who was transferred and who had arrived.
07:39And yes, indeed, they had arrived from Spain, Dr. Crescenti told me this week, and that, well, they had come to visit their grandparents.
07:46And we continue talking, and you're already connected with Domi, with Nelson, so that you can ask whatever you want, and with Martine who has been working here since very early.
07:56Domi Nelson is listening to you.
07:58Yes, Martine, the truth is that whenever these cold situations arise, we relive these issues and it is also good for people to start seeing what they can do in their homes, because the first thing that happens to me is fear.
08:11I say, what if the same thing happens to me at home, what if I get home today, where the temperatures are really low, and the same thing happens to me and I go to sleep and I don't realize it and I never get up again.
08:22Quote.
08:23So, what can be done to try to avoid this?
08:25Yes, the main thing, well, as we are saying, is to have a licensed gas fitter come and check all the appliances that generate internal combustion, such as water heaters, stoves, water heaters, and that he can check and make sure the evacuation ducts are properly installed, that they are well maintained.
08:46That, for example, the water heater and its internal radiator are clean, that there is no abrasion or rust.
08:57Because these are those little things that, over time, one does not pay attention to and they accumulate, they accumulate, and at some point those gases that should come out do not come out and end up causing a tragedy, as is the case here.
09:08Rodrigo, that is, why we should not be, ah, sorry, what we should not be is afraid, we should be respectful.
09:18We must try to make people aware that this is something that can happen, but it can also be avoided.
09:26So, by periodically checking all the appliances, the licensed gas fitter is, let's say, trained to be able to see and determine if an appliance is working properly or not and to warn us about it.
09:38Obviously, the licensed gas fitter can sometimes be a hindrance, economically speaking.
09:48But we must try to do it to avoid any type of outcome.
09:52Martin, thank you very much.
09:54We wanted to emphasize this because it is extremely important, given that winter has just begun.
09:59Of course.
10:00What do we know about the investigation that we can contribute?
10:03No, it's just starting, obviously.
10:06Until a little while ago, the Fire and Explosion Investigation Office was working, as was Metro Gas, which is the service provider, to see if there was a specific leak.
10:15There is a legal case.
10:17As I was saying, the autopsy on the five bodies was scheduled for tomorrow at 10 a.m., as well as the cause of death, obviously, and the date of death.
10:25Approximately when did death occur?
10:27Obviously, depending on the number of bodies, the specialist said it could be hours, no more.
10:35And then, I also just checked again, the experts hadn't arrived yet.
10:39They tell me that the city's firefighters and Metro Gas are going to be the ones to do the expert report, which the court is obviously requesting to see what happened, where the fault was, or where the carbon monoxide came from.
10:55Specifically, that's it for now.
10:59Then we'll have to see what happened, if there was a burner, if it wasn't gas, if there was anything the specialist just mentioned, like the boiler, the water heater, or some other issue.
11:09For now, they're waiting.
11:11Yes, we'll have to see if they haven't had it inspected.
11:13Maybe the inspection wasn't.
11:15The first time, what they're proposing is that they're waiting for the approval to go in with the firefighters and Metro Gas to start doing the expert reports.
11:26They tell me that they'll be there for no more than three or four hours.
11:30Yes, yes.
11:31And it's a house that reminds me of a fire a few years ago.
11:34Oh, look, look at, that same house from a few years ago.
11:39And it's precisely this house, uh, now with this tragedy that's added to it.
11:44Of course, the baby was saved, wasn't that right?
11:47The baby was saved, of course, from two to three years old.
11:50Uh, miraculously, she's stable.
11:51They transferred her to the Subaryat Hospital and then to the Gutierrez Hospital, according to what Dr. Crescente said.
11:56And they're there telling me that, uh, some of the investigators, the medical examiners, are directly assuming that there was carbon monoxide poisoning.
12:03They're going to wait for the expert report.
12:05We have to be careful, but that's basically the main hypothesis that the justice system has at the moment, right?
12:10Yes, yes, it's lethal, uh, it really is lethal.
12:14And also, what Lopez Calvo was saying, uh, for the personnel who enter, they also have to do it very carefully because the effect that death can have on you in a minute, two minutes, is so brutal.
12:24Now I was thinking, why didn't the older ones have the chance if the baby, the baby has a different type of breathing?
12:30No, that's...
12:32Luck, there's one thing you have to see where they were, if they were in the same place.
12:36Well, the couple who were on the first floor, a mezzanine in the first floor.
12:40On the first floor, the older adult was sitting on the bathroom, uh, they found him there, right?
12:45They found the woman in bed and the man sitting on the bathroom, let's say, sitting on the bathroom and...
12:51Yes, I don't know, of course, but they found him there, of course, in the bathroom, let's say, unlike the couple who were below, who were with the younger one.
13:00Sure, but it seems like it was a significant loss, right?
13:03Because, let's say, to generate that and the house should be all closed, and it's also a big house, uh...
13:07To have the windows and openings open so that the air could circulate a little, right?
13:12Obviously that...
13:13Saves lives, right?
13:16Yes, because many times when we talk about old houses, obviously after making the conversions, the ventilation spaces, where there is a boiler, where there is a water heater, have to be updated, because Metro Gas has been requiring these updates for a...
13:29Few years now, unlike the age of the house, which is an older house and obviously, since these are also large houses, these are cold houses.
13:42Cold, of course, with heating all day, right?
13:45We'll go back to Ana Ortiz there to get more details.
13:48Ana, we'll continue listening to you.
13:50We're all shocked by this story.
13:51Yes, Nelson, how are you?
13:54It's very cold and the neighbors come over because they're shocked by what's happening.
13:58Look, Domi, you just mentioned that you were taking classes.
14:02Ana, they must be scared because many are asking me, will my house be safe?
14:07Dementia is very important, right?
14:09Exactly.
14:10And Nelson, also, uh, not only fear, it's a neighborhood with a lot of older people.
14:15In fact, many of them have come closer.
14:17That's why I was emphasizing that it's so cold.
14:19I tell you, even your feet are frozen.
14:21There's nothing else you can do.
14:23And yet, they come here to ask, what happened?
14:25Scared.
14:25That's exactly what you were saying, right?
14:27The fear that something could happen to you because it could happen to anyone.
14:31That's why it's so important to listen to what those in the know explain, right?
14:36What precautions one has to take at home?
14:38You, Domi, were just telling me that you were taking math classes.
14:43Well, I probably don't want to make a mistake here.
14:47Dot.
14:47A neighbor just came over and said, yes, I know him, he was a math teacher.
14:51Okay, let's be very careful about what they did.
14:57But yes, they had this family with three children and today we'll see if we can start to remember how it all happened, right?
15:02To understand it.
15:08One of the children, his partner, and his grandchildren came to visit them.
15:12Let's see.
15:13How are you?
15:14How are you doing?
15:14Good evening.
15:15Are they neighbors?
15:16No.
15:16Yes, we are neighbors in the area.
15:19We live two blocks away and we've seen her many times.
15:22We've talked to her and everything because we're dog handlers and we all get together.
15:26On this side is the camp where we meet and on the other side is the arts and well, we've always seen them.
15:32Wonderful people, really good people.
15:36Her name?
15:38My name, Diana.
15:39No, I don't remember her name because we only talk like that when we pass by the dogs, you know?
15:46We are neighbors, we greet each other.
15:49A little bit of the neighborhood because we walk four or five times a day.
15:52We take the dogs out.
15:54He has another dog, a big one, and they knew them, they always saw them.
15:58Yes, yes, yes, always around here.
16:01Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
16:03What did they do?
16:04What do you know about the neighbors?
16:05We don't.
16:06No, we know they were good people because we always talked.
16:09They went to work, they were with the baby, the elderly lady was.
16:13With the grandchildren.
16:14Yes, yes, yes.
16:16But we don't know or know what really happened because I just got back from the center, they told us.
16:21But no, I didn't.
16:22Even watch the TV.
16:23Sure, it's.
16:24A little scary, right?
16:26Of being scared because, well, they probably had everything he did and they were locked up.
16:30Scared, right?
16:30The thing is that if the stove has a balanced draft, you can sleep with the stove on, leave the stove on.
16:36But if it's a regular stove, uh, that releases carbon monoxide to the outside, you have to turn it off.
16:42Okay, I don't know if it was a stove, I guess, maybe the kitchen or I don't know.
16:47I mean, you saw them regularly, you had chats.
16:51Yes, we usually saw them every time we passed by.
16:54They always got in the car or were walking around here and we had chats like neighbors, not friends.
17:00But anyway, from what you could see they were nice people.
17:03She also saw him with his grandchildren.
17:05Yes, with his grandchildren too.
17:07Yes, the baby in the stroller was so sad.
17:10The one and a half year old baby who was taken away.
17:13Yes, the baby who was taken away.
17:14Is anything known about him yet, right?
17:16Nothing.
17:16He must have been going to the children's hospital and well, he's the person, he's the baby who miraculously survived this whole scene.
17:21Of course, of course.
17:23Yes, yes, he's the baby.
17:24The baby who was saved, thank God.
17:26Because, the little four-year-old girl, they had her in sight, they've seen her around here.
17:30Yes, we've seen her too.
17:31Yes, yes, yes.
17:33It was a nice family, right?
17:35We always saw them passing by.
17:36Oh, we used to pass by because we always take out paintings.
17:40A neighbor told me that at some point they had a problem with a fire or something last year.
17:45Maybe.
17:46No, I really don't know about that.
17:48Yes, that's it.
17:49All I know is that my mother-in-law lived there when she was young.
17:55In that house?
17:56That house.
17:57Yes, yes, yes.
17:59They lived there.
18:00And you know what?
18:01You know what?
18:02You know what?
18:02Because today she was driving, when we were driving, because my grandson graduated as a doctor, we were coming from the oath.
18:09And she said that that house was bad, cursed, right?
18:16Because it had already started a fire.
18:18She said so.
18:19Well, Domi from the apartment also confirms it.
18:22Dominic lived here in the neighborhood.
18:23He's...
18:24From the neighborhood.
18:25Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
18:27He's from the neighborhood.
18:28That's right.
18:29Well, thank you very much for the testimony.
18:31Thank you all.
18:32Ah, thank you very much.
18:33Thank you very much.
18:34Okay, yes, Domi, they were there, right?
18:37How did they confirm any of the situations that were happening here?
18:40And they said that, right?
18:42That there was a precedent in this house.
18:44They are still working there.
18:45Let's remember that there was a 911 call since 4 in the afternoon.
18:49They are still working.
18:51The 911 call is from one of the relatives of this couple who started calling.
18:55She saw that no one was answering.
18:57She went to the place.
18:58She found part of this scene and that's when she decided to call 911.
19:03Immediately, the city police arrived.
19:05Let's remember.
19:05The same arrived.
19:07They saw the first part, the ground floor.
19:09They found the body of one of the men and the little girl unconscious.
19:12And there they decided to wait for the firefighters because they couldn't continue due to a matter
19:16of protocol because it is dangerous.
19:18It is dangerous to enter a house in this situation.
19:21Once they enter, well, they find everyone else at the scene.
19:24They know that the little girl, the little boy is a one and a half year old boy that they
19:28managed to rescue, who was conscious, was in a separate room.
19:31He wasn't with the rest.
19:32That's why.
19:34I mean, that room was more reserved.
19:36Obviously, obviously.
19:38Yes, it seems that it does respond to that.
19:40CL and it seems that the staff did indeed suspect that it was carbon monoxide poisoning and that's
19:45why they didn't go in immediately, because it was dangerous for them.
19:48Yes, there's.
19:50A piece of information there, Domi, Nelson, Anna, that they haven't removed the bodies
19:54from the scene yet.
19:55There you can see some of the cars, right?
19:58And they're still there, but the experts did go in and just started checking.
20:03Someone who is inside right now is telling me that the people from Metro Gas are already
20:07working inside the house and that they haven't removed the bodies yet.
20:10They are going to remove the bodies at any moment, but the firefighters and Metro Gas have already
20:17started working inside the house.
20:21They are obviously going to remove the bodies of the victims at any moment and transfer them
20:25to, as I was saying, the judicial morgue, where the autopsy of the five deceased people
20:31is scheduled to begin first thing in the morning, right?
20:33Of course, the house must have been big, Dominic, because it had a huge loss, let's say, two
20:42floors, a ground floor and an upper floor, to have taken all that.
20:48And it has a back of the house and, you can see, it has that entrance there that the drone
20:52shows us, like a garage.
20:55They also had old cars.
20:57Look at the drone and you can see them working inside.
20:59Look, you see on the first floor, sorry, Domi, you can see the city police working inside
21:05the house.
21:05It's a house that has, like, right there at the entrance to the garage.
21:08They had old cars that they always took out.
21:10I would see them on the weekends cleaning them, doing some mechanic work.
21:14He's the big man with one of his sons.
21:17And in the back he has like a garage and shed where he gave his classes.
21:22The man in my case, who I went to math classes in, was in the back.
21:26It's not that it has a house that has a backyard, but it doesn't have a garden.
21:30I mean, the house is really big.
21:32It's mostly a house that must have had like four rooms.
21:36Sure, sure.
21:37So it was a huge loss.
21:38Uh.
21:38Now that's what caught my attention.
21:40He took the whole house.
21:41And it's obviously not big.
21:43Yes, yes.
21:44Because it obviously doesn't look like a house with hermetically sealed doors, right?
21:49For this.
21:49So it must have been a major loss.
21:51Uh.
21:52Absolutely.
21:54Really.
21:54And it must have been a question of whether it was sudden or not, because sometimes chronic
21:59cases of poisoning can sometimes lead to behavioral disorders due to carbon monoxide, right?
22:08So it's really something very complicated, right?
22:11And sometimes it can leave sequelae, even in those who are probably going to be evaluating
22:15the child neurologically to see that there are no sequelae.
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