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  • 6/21/2025
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00:00Try and talk through the finals MVP market if you think it's maybe even up for debate right now, either side of it.
00:05I'll start on the Shea-JW debate that was bubbling a little bit going into game number six.
00:14I found the Jalen Williams argument to be non-existent, and then he was minus 40 in game six.
00:24I mean, I know it's not like, you know, Shea's minus 17 was necessarily something to write home about,
00:29but I'm not sure minus 40, when you were already nowhere near as good as Shea in the series, is something that can be overcame.
00:37Coach, your thoughts on the Thunder portion of the finals MVP race?
00:41There is no conversation. It's over.
00:44So, you know, obviously when you look at it, you know, J-Dub, could he have a great game seven?
00:49Yes, but SJ has been far away, been the better player.
00:52That's why if you start looking at the game, you know, the Thunder being minus 290,
00:57if you want to just go money line, I would just go SGA minus 240 to win the MVP
01:01because I don't see a pathway for J-Dub or anyone else for that team, Tom,
01:07to even have a chance on getting the MVP.
01:10Like, this is the discussion we have in a lot of different sports for awards,
01:15and SGA is the right answer. SGA is going to win it.
01:18The argument people want to say is, like, oh, what would it take for Williams to win the award?
01:24He legitimately needs to have 50 points.
01:26Like, that's an exaggeration.
01:29And a bad SGA game.
01:33So, like, everything that you see right now, it's like SGA averages more points.
01:37Yes, the J-Dub is highlighted by a 40-point performance, which SGA does not have.
01:42He has not scored 40 in the finals.
01:45But the totality, and again, the body of work that SGA has put up is better than J-Dub.
01:51And the recency bias of, like, oh, my God, 40 points.
01:53Like, he would literally need to go out and score 50 points for me to entertain the argument
01:57that it's not going to be SGA.
01:59And seeing 50 points in Game 7 would be monumental.
02:03Like, it would be a literal all-time performance.
02:05Well, it also would throw away the fact that you and I think that the game is probably going under.
02:08Absolutely. That's what I'm saying.
02:10It would go against everything, and SGA would be scoring 15 points.
02:14And they're like, listen, we're just going to give the ball to Williams because he's not missing,
02:16which is not going to happen.
02:17I just think really quick, if you are big on maybe you think that Jalen Williams has a chance,
02:22which none of us think he does, then I would just go to the alt mark and just go 25-plus points
02:26and plus 158.
02:27Very fair.
02:28Just very fair.
02:29I'll just go there.
02:30Even 30.
02:31Even 30.
02:32Plus 40.
02:32Like, 30 is along the lines of what we're saying, but it still wouldn't get him to the MVP.
02:38Right, right.
02:39Agreed.
02:40Shea is averaging significantly more points more efficiently while also assisting more
02:44and being more impactful on defense.
02:45Okay, so that's not even close.
02:47Yeah, again, I...
02:48We're all in agreement.
02:48It would require a monumental game for Williams to win.
02:51Yeah, absolutely.
02:51The Pacer side is either more of a debate or not really because people also, you know,
02:56could think it is Pascal.
02:58Pascal averaging at the moment 20 points per game along with eight boards and four assists,
03:02averaging three stocks when you round up.
03:05Tyrese Halliburton is averaging 15 points a game with five rebounds and seven assists,
03:09averaging two stocks when you round up.
03:11So far, Pascal Siakam has provided more consistency.
03:14I think that Tyrese Halliburton has provided more of what this team needs in order for them
03:22to win the series.
03:23Ultimately, through the first three games, I didn't find this to be particularly close.
03:28I know some did.
03:29I did not.
03:30Tyrese Halliburton's shot is worth a lot more than Pascal scoring 28 and a loss.
03:36I firmly believe that.
03:38But also, Tyrese Halliburton's 14 points and five assists that he had in game number six
03:43are not going to wow or go, oh, oh, oh.
03:46Well, he was plus 25 in 23 minutes.
03:48He was the most impactful player in the game.
03:52Now, it's going to swing, of course, on game number seven.
03:56But I think the market is still treating it somewhat more like, ah, Pascal's got a comfortable
04:02lead.
04:02That's not something I agree with, Tom.
04:04I don't either.
04:06And this comes down to recency bias, recent performance, box score watching.
04:13But as we have continuously talked about, not just for this year's, but the playoffs overall,
04:20what Halliburton is good at doesn't always show up in terms of box score.
04:25And that is very important.
04:26And a literal driving factor of why they win games.
04:30It's very simple.
04:31Well, very simply put, if you look at the three games that they've won, 14, 10, and
04:36six, 22, 11, and nine, and then the 14 points in 23 minutes, I think it should just be a
04:43hell of a lot closer to this number for Tyrese Halliburton.
04:46Because if he has a big game in game seven, he could steal it.
04:49Now, here's the crazy thing.
04:50He'll never get it.
04:51He'll never sniff it.
04:53But there's a part of me that wants to put a couple of dollars.
04:56No, stop.
04:57Don't do this.
04:58Go ahead.
04:58No, go ahead.
04:59Ready?
04:59Oh, God.
05:00Ready?
05:00Ready?
05:01Who in every big moment for Indiana seems to be on the floor?
05:05TJ McConnell.
05:06Every time.
05:08Listen.
05:08That is crazy.
05:09A dollar.
05:10Not an A.
05:11Not the mortgage.
05:12Just a dollar.

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