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  • 6/17/2025
Biologist Federica Bertocchini discovered that wax worms can perforate plastic. And break it down - thanks to special enzymes.

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00:01Everybody gets fascinated by these animals.
00:04They are extremely resistant to planeting, to lack of oxygen, to cold.
00:11I mean, it's not scientifically proven. These are observations.
00:15But if you keep them at four degrees for many weeks, if you put them out,
00:19they don't die, they just recover again.
00:23For people not working with insects, they're not great.
00:27They're not great. It looks like a fly, you know, this fly larvae, the one that people use to fish.
00:33But then you explain a little bit what it's about, and it's already, you know, smoothing people.
00:39Like, okay, so the stuff is getting interesting.
00:42I think at some point you stop seeing the worm as it is, and you see some potential behind there.
00:50I'm Federica Bertocchini. I'm a biologist, and I'm a co-founder of a start-up called Plastic Entropy,
00:56which is hosted here in France.
01:00And I work on plastic degradation using biological systems, particularly a worm, commonly called worse worm.
01:10They can help us to solve the problem of all this plastic we see around,
01:15try to get rid of that, transform it into something which is not a poison for us, for humans.
01:23I realized that these worms were making holes in the plastic.
01:27Not just making, I can make a hole with the finger, but just transforming it into something different.
01:33I like environment, in fact, and probably to escape from the lab because you spend all your life at the microscope in a lab.
01:40So I developed this hobby, which is beekeeping. I'm a beekeeper as an amateur.
01:47It happens that the beehives are plagued with an animal, which is infected with worm.
01:53And so I was cleaning one of my beehives and putting all these worms that were infested in my beehive in a plastic bag,
01:59and then realized there were holes within 40 minutes, half hour, an hour.
02:04And then I'm curious, and the curiosity is unstoppable. Let's try to investigate that.
02:09We found enzymes which the worm itself produce, which are in the saliva,
02:14and enzymes applied singularly and produced in a lab can actually break down the plastic.
02:21Because this was the, the major achievement is the discovery of the enzymes.
02:25Now we start producing the protein in the lab, that's when you are really, really happy.
02:30When the first discovery came up, I was unemployed.
02:34When I managed to get some money, it took two years to start over again.
02:38So these two years, those two years and a little bit, they were stuffed.
02:41And so, absolutely, we all know what's happening to plastic.
02:44There is no solution that most of the plastics burn or we're accumulated in the environment.
02:51Looking at the numbers, all over the world is 9% recycled.
02:54And when you recycle it, the technology as it is now is not good enough.
02:59You can recycle only a couple of times.
03:03I never advocate for the use of worms, because the worms also, they can chew on plastic.
03:07And in fact, when you look at the faeces, you have some small microplastics,
03:14so you don't want to release millions of worms and then not controlling the situation
03:20because you have to collect the faeces.
03:22You need to have a controlled environment to use that.
03:25And so it's something you really control very well.
03:27I advocate for the enzymes.
03:31The industry wants a solution in six months that could be economically favourable.
03:37And we cannot provide that.
03:39We cannot provide something which can compete with the burning.
03:43It's been tough.
03:44And knowing that in advance, maybe I would have thought twice,
03:48because it's been really a challenge.
03:52Worms, proteins, polymers, degradation.
03:58I didn't know anything of those.
04:01And when I don't know anything, I go to collaborate and I'm not afraid of my mistake.
04:05I make a mistake and sometimes I think, wow, it wasn't a great performance.
04:08It doesn't matter because from the mistakes you learn.
04:10My contact with the RANS started a few years ago because I came here to give a TED talk at Sciences Po in France.
04:18So that was interesting.
04:19We moved here.
04:20We are an incubator here.
04:21So we get some little bit of funding from the environment.
04:27We should all work together.
04:28We really should stick together because there are a handful of these animals and there are more we are finding.
04:35And there is no coordinated field.
04:39We never had a meeting to get all of us together.
04:41That's what we need to do.
04:42Otherwise, everyone on his own won't get anywhere.

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