- 6/13/2025
Ella Emhoff first turned heads at the Capitol—now she’s turning her fashion prowess into community building, one cross-stitch at a time. In this episode of "The Good Buy," the model, designer, and creative multi-hyphenate joins Harper’s BAZAAR to talk about her passion for knitwear, sustainable shopping habits, and the beauty of dressing with intention. Known as the "First Daughter of Bushwick," Ella first captivated the world’s attention with her Miu Miu Inauguration Day look, and has been challenging expectations ever since. Whether she’s blending handmade with high fashion or creating community through her NYC-based knit club, Ella is redefining what it means to live at the intersection of politics, art, and personal style. Whether she’s collecting novelty home decor (yes, we’re talking about that "Popeye" phone!) or scouring sample sales for runway looks, Ella proves that great style isn’t about playing it safe.
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00:00Hi, I'm Lynette Nylander, and I'm Lea Chernikoff, and this is Harper's Bazaars' The Goodbye,
00:05where we invite celebrities, designers, models, and tastemakers to talk shop,
00:09what they buy, where they got it, and why it matters.
00:14So Lynette.
00:15Hello.
00:16Hello.
00:17Hello.
00:18Hello.
00:19We are entering into spring.
00:21Yes.
00:22What things have you bought recently that have made your heart sing?
00:28There's no better way of getting cozy, at least in my life, than the Salter House.
00:34Salter House is an amazing phenomenon.
00:37It's a homeware-come-houseware emporium, started off on Atlantic Avenue,
00:44Sandeep Salter, a good friend and purveyor of this shop and the goods in it.
00:50Purveyor of fine goods.
00:52Of fine goods has made the shop that's become a bit of a, like, cult thing.
00:56Yeah, totally.
00:57Especially around the, like, Brooklyn mom scene, but she has this line that she creates
01:01in how she makes everything herself, everything in New York, so it's tariff-busting, and it's
01:07a beautiful, she has a selection of beautiful cotton nighties, and I'm telling you, they're
01:11all under $100.
01:12They enhance your sleep.
01:15You just feel great.
01:17You feel like you have the ceremony of getting up in the morning, of putting yourself to bed
01:24at night.
01:24Yeah, I just can't say enough about how great I think these nighties are.
01:29They're a perfect gift.
01:30Get one.
01:31You've sold me.
01:32Yeah.
01:33I want one.
01:34Let's do it.
01:35Yeah.
01:36Okay.
01:37What about you?
01:38My, well, I have, I've been thinking about, it's also sleep and bed related.
01:41Um, we have two cats, and...
01:46What are their names?
01:47Seaweed and noodles.
01:48Seaweed and noodles.
01:49Seaweed and noodles.
01:50My older child named them after his favorite foods.
01:53Love that.
01:54Seaweed and noodles.
01:55Yeah.
01:56They're very sweet, but we, they do, they have like really roughed up our duvet cover,
02:04is we need a new one.
02:06And so, yes, I've been courting different ones.
02:09We were just talking about Tecla, and I love Tecla.
02:11I have like actually a long sleeve t-shirt from Tecla that I love, but they're really
02:15known for their bedding and pajamas and, and fun colors, so that would be really nice
02:21if I could just take the plunge and get a renewed, because they, they've done some
02:27damage.
02:28Yeah.
02:29Those sweet cats.
02:30Yeah.
02:31And bedding is so hard.
02:32It really goes through the ringer.
02:33But Tecla is an amazing investment.
02:35I have a, I have a Tecla bedding set.
02:37Do you think it will stand up to Seaweed and noodles?
02:39I think they've met a formidable opponent.
02:42In Tecla.
02:43In Tecla.
02:44You know, I'm a big believer in dressing your bed the same way you get dressed in the
02:47morning, because I talked about it.
02:48Yes.
02:49We talked about this.
02:50Fancy vibes.
02:51Yes.
02:52The throw pillows, the accessory.
02:53The dust ruffle.
02:54I do like it.
02:55Well, I also like, you can just like, put storage under.
02:57That's why I like it.
03:04Today on The Goodbye, we have an artist, model, and tastemaker who single-handedly
03:09brought capital F fashion to our nation's capital.
03:12We're talking Miu Miu, Tom Brown, as well as her own designs to the biggest political
03:18stages in the country.
03:19She's walked for the runways of Coach, Princess Shuler, and Balenciaga.
03:24She is a Parsons design graduate, an avid knitter and crocheter, and she's created community
03:30around her love of craft, launching Soft Craft Craft Club, her substack last year, as well
03:35as Soft Hands Knit Club, her IRL knitting event series.
03:39She is a light on social media, showing glimpses into her world, whether it's crocheting a
03:45pair of pants in what seemed to be like a few hours, making picture frames, or even showcasing
03:50her love of pickleball.
03:51She is a Gen Z style icon, and we can't wait to pick her brain about all things style.
03:56Welcome to the goodbye.
03:57Ella Emhoff.
03:58Ella Emhoff.
03:59And we have to start, because I think this moniker that's often attached to you, I saw
04:03you giggle a little bit about Gen Z style icon, probably goes hand in hand when people also
04:08describe you as the first daughter of Bushwick.
04:10So would you care to comment on either of those things?
04:14Yeah, I think it's just, it's just funny. Like all of this, like how everything has happened
04:20has just been very funny to me. And I think growing up and especially people who knew me
04:27when I was younger, I was not stylish. Like I was definitely kind of just throwing on whatever
04:34my brother wore or what was whatever novelty t-shirt my mom brought me back from a trip. Like
04:41I really didn't care about it. So I still, I still see myself as that little kid who doesn't
04:47have that like taste, I guess. And it's just like anything like that saying I'm a tastemaker
04:55or anything of a leading charge always makes me kind of bashful because it's, it's just surreal.
05:01Yeah.
05:02We're going to just embrace, I think.
05:04I'm trying.
05:05Yeah.
05:06That's all we can do.
05:07It's silly.
05:08And you also told us, you do not live in Bushwick.
05:10I'm sorry. I don't live in Bushwick anymore. I did. I really loved it there, but I am no longer
05:18the queen of Bushwick.
05:19The first daughter of Bushwick.
05:21That's sorry.
05:22Which I just love. And I love that that was given to you like for the one year,
05:27you know, your, your welcome apartment to New York. And then like, you can just have this
05:31for life. And you're like, well, you know what it is. I think that one of the first interviews
05:35I did was for garage magazine and they had made the title something like the king of
05:43Brooklyn knitting or something like along those lines. And then people, once the inauguration
05:49happened, people were just like picking from that article because it was the only one I've
05:52ever done.
05:53Right.
05:53So then it just kind of spun into this whole beast of its own. Like the Gen Z style icon. Like
06:00that's just funny. Like I understand where that came from. But the first daughter of
06:05Bushwick really just kind of, it has a life of its own. And then I think it's birthed this
06:11whole meme around Bushwick art kid where they've used some photos from my Instagram that have
06:20really presented my old style, which was definitely more Bushwicky, you could say a
06:28little, a lot of, a lot of like cool, colorful patterns morphed together, funky silhouettes.
06:34It was definitely like going to the thrift store and picking out whatever felt good. So
06:39I think that's where it really started to snowball.
06:42Yeah. Wait. So I want to know how you got from just throwing on novelty t-shirts to now.
06:48It's like a funny journey because I feel like I've lived so many different lives in general,
06:55but also through my style, because the way I was in high school, like you wouldn't even
07:00be able to recognize me.
07:01Why? What is high school Ella?
07:03It was like very like Tumblr emo. I had gauges. I had black hair. I would like eyeliner raccoon
07:12style. I still pull from that. Like I'm not ashamed of any of the, because I went for it. I always
07:19have gone for it and I've never been ashamed of it. And I still like to pull from it. But looking
07:24back, it's, it's fully just, what were you doing? I would wear the American apparel disco pants,
07:31like 2000s platform sketcher leather boots. And then a Unif, like, not baseball, football
07:40jersey.
07:41A Unif?
07:42That they made. Yes.
07:43Oh, can I, just to interrupt to the listeners at home and, and to anyone watching, Unif,
07:49for those who know, was the 2010s brand of choice for anyone who lived their life on Tumblr,
07:56myself included.
07:57And that was a lot of my middle to early high school, basically until I realized that I wanted
08:05to start dating. I was just kind of like, whatever. I'm going to wear the weirdest stuff.
08:10And just kind of.
08:11No, I like that. You're going to find the right person with that style though.
08:14Yeah.
08:15No. And I think I also went to a super small school where there were, I could count on one hand how
08:21many people were kind of eccentrically dressing like that. So it was fun to be able to do it and
08:28dye my hair a bunch of colors. And it was a good time to experiment while kind of pushing the
08:34boundaries of myself and the people around me.
08:36That's what you're supposed to do at that time.
08:38Yeah.
08:39Where do you feel like your style is now?
08:40When I had first started doing fashion stuff, I was really trying to, I had just like,
08:45fun access to clothes and kind of a world that I'd never experienced. So I was going really hard.
08:50Wearing crazy pieces with crazy pieces, super flashy. And I was doing more of the circuit
08:57of going to fashion month and doing that. But now I've kind of, I don't know, relaxed a little bit.
09:05I think in the past year or so, I've just wanted to prioritize comfort and just that uniformity,
09:11almost, where I have just a set of pieces that I love wearing or silhouettes that I know
09:17are going to work and just having quality pieces. And it's very based in menswear and sportswear
09:25and just tailored dressing. Like, I feel like I used to dress like a tomboy,
09:31whatever you want to call it. And I think I was pushing to kind of dress more feminine once I started
09:38modeling and kind of getting out into that world. And now I feel like I'm referencing more
09:43of how I dressed when I was really young, which is just sportswear, big shirts, big jeans,
09:50just kind of not thinking too hard about it. Because I felt like my style before was hindering my creative process.
09:59Because I was spending so much time trying to figure out what, like, perfectly balanced, high fashion outfit
10:06I was going to wear.
10:07Yeah.
10:08That I was then looking at my work being like, I don't know. Like, I feel like I'm putting in too much.
10:11I'm putting in the effort that I would put there into styling this stuff, which I love doing it,
10:17but I don't have that same, like, for styling and kind of putting looks together like that,
10:24as I may have in the past.
10:26And that should just, it shouldn't be this tumultuous thing in your mind.
10:31Exactly.
10:32Like, it should just be like, I tried something, tomorrow's another day,
10:36we'll figure out a new outfit then. Talk a little bit about what you chose to wear today.
10:41I'm wearing a Perks and Mini big quarter zip, just windbreaker thing.
10:46I'm wearing some comb, baggy pants. They're from, I think, the early-ish to mid, no.
10:56They'd have to be from, like, the mid-2010s-ish.
11:00I got them at this big Dover Street Market sale, and I love them.
11:06And then I'm wearing these little, kind of athletic wear, beaded, ballet,
11:14by Mary Jane's, by Charles and Keith.
11:17This is, like, the thing right now.
11:19This? Yeah.
11:20This is what's up.
11:21Yeah.
11:22Like, the mixing of, I think, if we're really talking about my style,
11:26it's the mixing of kind of rough, masculine, kind of utilitarian products,
11:34with more style-based, fashion-y, feminine.
11:37Details and stuff. Yeah, like the beading, the Mary Jane.
11:39Yeah.
11:40Like a wild thing mixed with something super simple and pared down.
11:44Like, that's where I like it right now.
11:47It's a journey. And here you are at, like, a place of comfort.
11:51But I just also want to say, I think it's, like, very relatable to have that put a lot of mental effort,
11:56sometimes anguish into, like, figuring out what to wear.
11:59I think that comes for all of us.
12:02And especially when it's, and I hear this from a lot of my friends who do fashion content
12:07or just work in fashion, like, when it's your job to do that,
12:11there's a pressure that is there that isn't there when you're just dressing for yourself.
12:16Like, I felt that when I was kind of transitioning from doing textile work for fun
12:23and then transitioning it into kind of my career path,
12:26I had to find the balance of what are the things that I'm going to do with it
12:31that are just for me and for fun, and then what is the stuff that's work?
12:34Because once it melds in too much, you're just...
12:38Yeah, it's hard to hold on to the joyfulness.
12:41Yes.
12:42I want to talk about your fashion on the political stage and some of the things you want.
12:48You blew the top and the mind of people.
12:51I know. When you showed up in that Mew Mew coat, we all lost our mind.
12:55It was like a little gift to all the little fashion people were like,
12:58Mew Mew? I collapsed it. Mew Mew?
13:01I was like, all right, style and elegance is entering the arena.
13:06Like, this was super exciting. I wouldn't...
13:08Had you always been a fan of Mew Mew and you were like, okay,
13:11obviously this really big thing's happening in my life.
13:13Like, I want to wear Mew Mew. Can someone reach out?
13:15Or was it they reached out to you?
13:17Like, how does this even happen?
13:19Well, it's so funny because I...
13:23As with a lot of things with huge events like this,
13:26I didn't really know what was happening.
13:28And like, they weren't... They didn't really say like,
13:32oh, you're going to go on, this huge thing is going to blow up.
13:34No one knew that was going to happen to me.
13:36So I wasn't... When I was picking out an outfit,
13:39like, my mom and I just got a stylist
13:41who pulled a bunch of stuff.
13:43Like, I had no... I didn't work with Mew Mew.
13:46They hadn't reached out. Like, I wasn't going to...
13:48I mean, I didn't have any brand relationships.
13:51I hadn't even officially been signed at IMG yet.
13:53So I was very much so unaware.
13:57I wasn't even, like, following the fashion calendar.
14:00I was not in the fashion zone.
14:03But when I was trying on a bunch of stuff on,
14:06it was the first thing I tried on.
14:08And it just... It had the perfect meld of what I know
14:12that they want, which is a little bit more of a modest...
14:15Right.
14:16...not too flashy silhouette.
14:17Something a bit formal.
14:18Mm-hmm.
14:19So it's me.
14:20Yeah.
14:21And I was deep in my... I was at Parsons.
14:25I was a couple years into living in New York.
14:27I was feeling, like, renewed.
14:32Mm-hmm.
14:33I guess. Like, I was beginning...
14:35I'd, like, ended, like, my high school relationship.
14:38So I was just, like, in New York with my friends,
14:40feeling hot and stressing up.
14:42And feeling yourself.
14:43And feeling myself.
14:44Yeah.
14:45I mean, it was also really cold.
14:47Yeah.
14:48And that was another thing.
14:49I'd never really been to D.C. before.
14:51I didn't know how weather was going to play into it.
14:55But I feel like I could have even used...
14:57I had to bat shove a dress under.
14:59Then the Mew Mew coat.
15:00Then gloves.
15:01Yeah.
15:02And hand warmers.
15:03And I was still, like, whoa.
15:04Looking around at all the former presidents.
15:06Like, what is happening?
15:07Yeah.
15:08That's so wild.
15:09And it was funny because I feel like one of...
15:12Beside...
15:13Like, I was really easy to stand out at the inauguration
15:16because everyone was wearing a jewel tone.
15:18Yes.
15:19Or some monochromatic thing.
15:20Yes.
15:21Like, D.C. really adheres to these codes.
15:24And, uh, no one likes to stray from them.
15:28And that's why it was so exciting to see, I think.
15:31I didn't even know there were codes.
15:32Right.
15:33And I think that's why I've continued to break fashion barriers
15:36in politics and, I guess, in Washington.
15:40Because I just...
15:41Specifically with the fashion stuff.
15:44Like, I don't know.
15:45I don't know.
15:46There really hasn't been someone, I guess, with my taste or style
15:51or kind of preferences.
15:53I'm not saying that former people have had bad style.
15:56It's just different.
15:57Yeah.
15:58It was...
15:59Yeah.
16:00I think everyone was just kind of, like...
16:02Seeing it...
16:03I think seeing what I was wearing in a different context,
16:06it wouldn't be so crazy.
16:07I also wore Tom Brown.
16:08Yeah.
16:09And I wore that to one of the ceremonies...
16:14Uh-huh.
16:15...with the National Guard, maybe?
16:17It was at one of the monuments,
16:19and we were just, like, standing there,
16:22and it was such a cool moment
16:25and such, like, a special time to be wearing Tom Brown.
16:28Yeah.
16:29It...
16:30I wish...
16:31I wish I spent more time in it.
16:33Yeah.
16:34Do you still have it?
16:35They let me keep the coat that I wore over it,
16:37and I have it saved with, like, my DNC dress
16:42and a lot of the other kind of, like, fashion memorabilia I have.
16:47It's amazing.
16:48It's just...
16:49What a...
16:50What a trip.
16:51Yeah.
16:52And you're...
16:53You know, you're still so young.
16:54It's so amazing, like, the life you've lived.
16:56But let's take you back to the first buy.
17:00Is there something that you always coveted,
17:03or was there something that you bought for the first time,
17:05and you thought,
17:06Hey, I'm interested in style.
17:07I...
17:08I...
17:09I want to explore this.
17:10Like, what was that first thing for you?
17:12I think there's, like, two separate first things for me.
17:17I think the first thing for me pre-being and engaging with fashion
17:21was my Coach leather crossbody vintage bag.
17:26That was such, like, an epitome of just nice construction,
17:34everyday bag, something that would last me forever.
17:37And I...
17:38To this day, I've always been super intentional about the stuff that I buy
17:44and the longevity of it.
17:46I still have that bag, and it's beaten to death,
17:48but it...
17:49It holds up really well.
17:50Yeah.
17:51That was my peak buy of, like, young Ella.
17:56And then older Ella, my first buy where I was like,
18:00oh, I get it.
18:02I get why people do this.
18:04I get why people put their work, like, their money into this.
18:07Yeah.
18:08After I had walked the Balenciaga Couture show,
18:11which was, like, already crazy for me,
18:14I bought a pair of the, like, steel toe kind of platform combat boots.
18:19Right.
18:20And I just went to the store and bought them.
18:22It was the most expensive thing I'd ever bought at that point.
18:25Mm-hmm.
18:26And I was just like, you know, this is a...
18:27It was important because I loved those shoes,
18:30and then I ended up wearing them for years.
18:33Yeah.
18:34But it was also kind of getting myself in the headspace of,
18:37no, you can...
18:38You're allowed to treat yourself...
18:39Yeah.
18:40...to something nice when you've worked,
18:42and you want to kind of give yourself a present.
18:46Yeah.
18:47And I feel like I was so...
18:49And I'm still not that person to just be like,
18:52I'm going to treat myself to something expensive and nice.
18:54But I think that was the first time where I was like,
18:58you know, it's okay.
18:59Like, you're in this fashion world.
19:01Like, you can engage with it.
19:02Yeah.
19:03And have fun with it.
19:04What was that experience like walking that runway?
19:07I was definitely an extremely self-conscious, like, kid.
19:12So much stage fright.
19:13Couldn't even give a presentation in front of my class.
19:16Like, super wannabe in the sidelines.
19:20Mm-hmm.
19:21So once I...
19:22I think once I moved to New York,
19:23and I started surrounding myself with, like, my people,
19:26and people who kind of pushed me to be myself
19:29and have more confidence,
19:31I think that the whole idea of modeling became less,
19:36like, I would never do it.
19:38And more so, like, oh, yeah, I'm in New York.
19:40Like, it's around me.
19:41Whatever.
19:42But even after I did my first show before I did Couture,
19:46like, it was COVID.
19:48So it was just an online show.
19:51So I still didn't have that experience of,
19:54oh, I'm walking live.
19:56Yeah.
19:57Like, being in the lineup.
19:58Everyone's watching.
19:59Yeah.
20:00And even for the inauguration,
20:01there wasn't anyone in the crowd.
20:02Yeah.
20:03Like, I still didn't have that experience
20:05of that nervousness of walking out
20:08and knowing there's people looking at you everywhere.
20:11Because it's different when it's cameras.
20:12Yeah, yeah.
20:13I was walking out for, like, a director
20:15or just whoever was on the stage.
20:17Right.
20:18Like, I couldn't even see that.
20:19You can't imagine it.
20:20But, yeah, then you're on the Balenciaga runway,
20:22or on the TNC stage.
20:24Well, I mean, that...
20:26Well, I think, actually, the Balenciaga runway
20:28helped me get over a lot of that stage fright.
20:31Mm-hmm.
20:32Because it was so small
20:33and it was such a huge moment
20:36and such a fashion moment
20:38that you kind of just had to do it.
20:41Yeah.
20:42And then the next show I did,
20:43which I can't remember which one it was,
20:45it might have been... Mew Mew.
20:48Way more intimidating.
20:49Yeah.
20:50I really like the kind of preppy,
20:55kind of coastal vibe right now also.
20:59Like, I've been wearing a lot of polos,
21:01Sperry's, all of that.
21:04Because it's just...
21:05It is that kind of just, like, functional
21:08and a little... it's a little freaky.
21:10Yeah.
21:11In a weird way.
21:12Yeah.
21:13And I kind of enjoy that
21:15because you're making a fashion statement
21:16with also wearing just regular normal clothes.
21:19In dad clothes.
21:20Yeah.
21:21It's dad clothes.
21:22If you're aware it's freaky,
21:23then it works.
21:24Yes.
21:25Ella, what is something you regret buying?
21:26And I know you've got a good one.
21:29Is it recent?
21:30I...
21:31It's funny,
21:32because I keep talking about this freaking sale,
21:34but it was at the Dover Seven Year Sale.
21:38And I will say, after being in that sale,
21:40it makes you feel a little feral in there.
21:42Yeah.
21:43Money doesn't matter.
21:44That's what sample sales do too.
21:45It's like a different atmosphere
21:47and you just do things that you wouldn't otherwise do.
21:51I don't regret buying anything but this one piece.
21:54I've worn everything.
21:55I bought a lot of comb.
21:56I bought some Molly Goddard.
21:57It was great.
21:58Yeah.
21:59Super exciting.
22:00I got this Loewe dress
22:02and I don't know what I was thinking.
22:04It was also still really expensive.
22:06Yeah.
22:07It's blue.
22:08It has a huge almost like Victorian prairie collar.
22:13Uh huh.
22:14And it's got a really tight bodice and a huge skirt.
22:16Okay.
22:17And like big billowy sleeves.
22:18Okay.
22:19Sounds great.
22:20Yeah.
22:21Yeah.
22:22Great to look at.
22:23But again, it was one of those freaky pieces where I got it.
22:26I was like, I'm gonna wear this to all the events.
22:28Not a one.
22:29I get dressed for these events.
22:30Like I don't need a dress like that.
22:32Yeah.
22:33And it was like a full runway piece and I got it and then it just proceeded to take space.
22:38Yeah.
22:39And sit in my closet for a year and a half until I decided to sell it.
22:45Uh huh.
22:46It was one of those things where in the moment deep inside I knew I wasn't.
22:49You knew.
22:50I know.
22:51And I think I was in, I had a really different thought process to shopping then than I do now.
22:55Yeah.
22:56Where then I was buying pieces that I wanted.
22:58Like I wish I could wear.
23:00Like I wish where it was in my style.
23:03Uh huh.
23:04Comfortability in my wheelhouse and.
23:06You were pushing yourself.
23:07I was pushing myself.
23:08But every piece was pushing myself.
23:10Yeah.
23:11So then I had a closet of stuff that I had no like foundation.
23:16No easy grab.
23:17Yeah.
23:18I had no foundation.
23:19So I only had pieces that were stressful.
23:21And then I have this dress and I'm like.
23:23Oh my God.
23:24We're now.
23:25Stressful closet.
23:26No one needs that.
23:27No.
23:28And now I have, now my focus is foundation pieces and then using all of the other things.
23:33Like just decorations.
23:34Yeah.
23:35I think that's fine.
23:36I think we're panicked.
23:38I have, I also have a regret buy from that sale as well.
23:41We won't get into it.
23:42But like, I think like it's, you just, in a weird way, I still co-sign it.
23:48Because it's better to have known.
23:50It's better to have tried and known to have never known at all.
23:53I totally agree.
23:54Nothing holds you like the vintage you didn't get.
23:56When I was kind of in my Depop days, I had this super sick baby blue Lakers jacket
24:03that had Lakers and rhinestones.
24:05Yeah.
24:06And it was just the perfect, like, kind of bomber varsity jacket mix.
24:11Similar coloring to this.
24:12Then I sold it.
24:13And then I saw someone at Parsons wearing it.
24:16And they bought my piece.
24:18I was like...
24:19Why did I do that?
24:20And then I had to see, she was in my major, then I had to see her all the time wearing
24:23my jacket.
24:24It was horrible.
24:25Oh, wow.
24:26This is a level of like, Depop kind of, that you don't anticipate.
24:32Yeah.
24:33You don't, it's almost like running into an ex.
24:35Yeah.
24:36Every day.
24:37Yeah.
24:38But it's a, it's a jacket that you...
24:39Right.
24:40I love that.
24:41Wow.
24:42Depop and romantic exes, there is so much more of a correlation than we think.
24:46There's, there's like some kind of like essay there.
24:49No, I was going to say, I feel like I know a few writers who would love to deep dive into
24:52this.
24:53Yes.
24:54You should do it.
24:55For us.
24:56Um, what is something that you buy and repeat?
24:59Oh, this is easy.
25:01White t-shirts.
25:02Mm-hmm.
25:03T-shirts in general.
25:04I actually just did a huge kind of, I make these master lists of kind of products that
25:12I get recommendations from all my followers.
25:14And then I put them into a spreadsheet.
25:16Oh, love.
25:17And kind of categorize them by price, inclusivity, kind of what they're made of and brand and
25:23stuff.
25:24Tell us more.
25:25So I did one on t-shirts and I had like three, 400 responses.
25:29Mm-hmm.
25:30And I categorized it, but I did that because for the past three years I've been buying
25:36a lot of t-shirts and testing them out because I wear, I'm wearing one right now.
25:41Yeah.
25:42Like I wear one every day and I found that it's become the basis of all of my outfits,
25:47but not each one is made the same.
25:49Oh, yeah.
25:50Can you top five us?
25:51Oh.
25:52Okay, she's ready.
25:53Okay.
25:54Number one right now is Everybody World.
25:56Yeah.
25:57Jenna Lyons said this too?
25:58It is the best.
26:01Like it's the perfect, especially if you're looking for that boxy kind of cropped, a little
26:07more street style vibe.
26:10That one's the best.
26:11Great material.
26:12I love it.
26:13I also really love the Calvin Klein like fine ribbed like cap T ones.
26:18It's like a baby t-shirt.
26:19I found it at the outlet mall.
26:21It's great.
26:22It's a little expensive for the quality.
26:25So I, it's not something that's going to last you forever, but the shape is really
26:30nice.
26:31I just through this whole thing discovered this brand plain Jane that is New York based.
26:37Okay.
26:38And they have really mastered the understanding of no shirt is created equal.
26:42It's, they only make t-shirts, but they make them with different sleeve lengths.
26:46So there's one that's a longer short sleeve, a true short sleeve, and then a cap sleeve.
26:51Cap.
26:52It's, it's more of like a, you can, a dealer's choice.
26:55Yeah.
26:56Of what you want to do.
26:57I also really like, there's this brand called Blanks by 13.
27:05They just make blanks.
27:06Blanks.
27:07Blanks.
27:08And I really, it's similar to the everybody world.
27:11Yeah.
27:12But a little thicker, more structured, kind of similar to like a Uniqlo U situation,
27:18which is next on my list.
27:19Yeah.
27:20Awesome.
27:21Uniqlo I think is price wise, quality wise, accessibility, size range.
27:26One of the best things out in the universe.
27:28It's really good.
27:29Same with Muji.
27:30I kind of have those ranked in a similar vein.
27:34Like they both have great silhouettes, almost fashion-y silhouettes at kind of like not fashion-y, fashion-y prices.
27:43Yeah, for sure.
27:44Which...
27:45It's a gift.
27:46It's a gift.
27:47But there's, there were some crazy ones on there.
27:49There was a Shaq collab t-shirt that people really liked.
27:53Old Navy got a lot of love, for sure.
27:56And then a bunch, I mean the one brand, Murs B. Schwernan, who did Jeremy Allen White's shirt from the bear.
28:03A few people recommended that, but I think they also had the caveat of like, this is really expensive.
28:08Yeah.
28:09And it's really interesting what I found from doing this weirdly in-depth research is t-shirts can get so expensive.
28:15Yeah.
28:16Yeah.
28:17Over, over like $180.
28:20Oh, that's like...
28:22Lynette's like, that's my mid-price.
28:24No, no, no, not at all.
28:25Not at all.
28:26Not at all.
28:27I totally appreciate it.
28:28Listen, I love, I have a, a theory t-shirt.
28:31It's called the, I think it's called the classic tee or the baby tee or something.
28:36It's a, it's a t-shirt on theory.
28:38All white t-shirts from theory are great.
28:40That's like 50 bucks and I'm like, oh.
28:42I know.
28:43I still always think a white t-shirt should be 20 bucks, but also...
28:46Oh, they're not.
28:47They're not.
28:48They're really not.
28:49My mid, my mid range was from like 20 to 50-ish dollars.
28:55Yeah.
28:56And that was the biggest one.
28:57Yeah.
28:58Like most people were like, yeah, I know it's more expensive, but they last you so much longer.
29:03So it is the...
29:04I know.
29:05I feel like they're all around 70 bucks now.
29:07Yeah.
29:08The nice ones.
29:09In true me crafty fashion, I was like, what do I do with all these stained t-shirts?
29:13I can't donate them.
29:14I would never.
29:15Yeah.
29:16They're just gross.
29:17And like, I'm not going to just throw away.
29:18So I've started turning all of my old t-shirts into yarn.
29:21Wow.
29:22Amazing.
29:23Come on.
29:24This is a crafter, ladies and gentlemen.
29:26Like, I can't do that.
29:27I just use them as like rags.
29:28Yeah.
29:29Or something like that.
29:30But I think it's like, and I, whenever I buy like really shitty t-shirts and I know
29:35like whether they're going to get stained by me, they're just going to get stained by
29:38sweat or whatever.
29:39I'm like, I'm basically just like getting myself rags, getting myself some yarn, nude material.
29:44Yeah.
29:45You're a, you're a queen of crochet.
29:47You're a queen of knitting.
29:49I, I, uh, uh, witchery of wool.
29:53I just tried to do something.
29:54I was like, where is she going?
29:55Oh, it's so good.
29:56I love it.
29:57Yeah.
29:58That's good.
29:59It's good.
30:00It's good.
30:01Yeah.
30:02Yeah.
30:03Okay.
30:04So you have to, you have to talk through some knitting, like what brands do it?
30:12Well, what's a good sweater?
30:14What's a good shape?
30:15Who's where's the best yarn?
30:17Like, okay.
30:19Talk to your, this is to your people.
30:22I think right now my favorite knitwear is coming from StoryMFG.
30:28Yeah.
30:29If you know of that brand, they do a lot of cute beachy, but also a little like fairy in
30:37the forest, mystical.
30:40They have like produced knitwear that just has such a beautiful feel and artistry to it
30:48that I think a lot of brands when it comes to knitwear don't put in that extra effort.
30:53Right.
30:54Of like the handmade quality.
30:55Like Elder Statesman is another great example of just like really treating knitwear the same
31:02way that you're treating the other pieces.
31:04Yeah.
31:05And cause I think like it's so easy to just make like, yeah, the row is going to have an
31:09amazing sweater.
31:10Yeah.
31:11And like a lot of these brands are going to have great sweaters, but it's just like a sweater.
31:15It's not usually like the main.
31:17The main event.
31:18The main event.
31:19Yeah.
31:20And I like how they, and Sky High Farms also does this too.
31:23It's like they make the knitwear the funky piece and then there's more things supporting
31:28it.
31:29Yeah.
31:30So I think like that wise, like that's who I think they're doing it.
31:35Also on Instagram every day, there's just 10,000 people making some of the coolest knits
31:43I've ever seen just from their room.
31:46That's awesome.
31:47Yeah.
31:48I learned to knit in the pandemic.
31:50I wish, I wonder if I could still do it, but it's just, it's muscle memory.
31:54It's so therapeutic.
31:55My God, just to go up and down the, it was very simple, just up and down the rows.
32:00I couldn't do anything that you did, but it is, yeah, it's incredibly, um, relaxing.
32:05It's an amazing coffee and yeah, you could make yourself really cool.
32:08When you're not holding your phone.
32:09Well, that's why I started the Knit Club was because one, I was becoming a slave to
32:18my phone where I was like, why am I always on this?
32:22Why am I like filling up space to do this, searching for the community that I have the
32:28platform and the ability to create in person?
32:31Mm-hmm.
32:32And I'm like, if I'm feeling this, I know I'm not alone.
32:35I know there are a bunch of people in New York like me who are just wanting to find that
32:41sense of togetherness, that third space where you can just, it's not even just like the
32:47third space, because there's a million bars, club, whatever third space is.
32:51Different though.
32:52It's a third space that has like-minded people, but also isn't surrounded by alcohol or drugs.
32:58Yeah.
32:59Yeah.
33:00And just surrounded by kind of meeting new people and kind of focusing on yourself.
33:07Because most people come alone.
33:09Yeah.
33:10And then they just meet friends and hang out.
33:12Yeah.
33:13I'm like, I don't even have to do anything here.
33:14You guys are just chatting.
33:15That's amazing.
33:16And it's pretty brave to just show up somewhere alone.
33:19Yeah.
33:20Oh, yeah.
33:21So it's like, kudos that you made a space where people feel comfortable doing that.
33:24Yeah.
33:25I think people also kind of have trust in the community that I'm going to bring, because
33:29I've been doing it now for almost a year, that they know that there's going to be people
33:35like them there, that they're going to feel some representation.
33:37Yeah.
33:38That's lovely.
33:39What is something that you dream of buying?
33:42Hmm.
33:43It's funny because I think I, I haven't been in a buying headspace.
33:51I think this whole year I've been very much so by I'm buying secondhand only, but you know,
33:59there's, there's always a piece.
34:01And my piece is this brand Small Talk Studios makes these hand drawn, very similar to the,
34:08what are they called?
34:09The varsity pants, the college pants where the, the senior chords, that's what they are.
34:14Um, they make these just really sick, custom hand drawn pants, great silhouette.
34:22I mean, all the stuff they're doing is really cool.
34:23That is my, my dream buy.
34:26Are you going to break your, no, no, it's not no spend.
34:30It's no, you only, we're going to buy secondhand.
34:32Only secondhand.
34:33Yeah.
34:34And now the second hand?
34:35No.
34:36So are you going to break it together?
34:39We're going to see.
34:40Okay.
34:42We're going to see.
34:43No, I don't think we are because I have been feeling really good about it, but.
34:50It's something nice to think about.
34:52Yes.
34:53And I'm not going to be mad at myself.
34:55If you do it.
34:56If I do it.
34:57Because when I think about it.
34:58You won't be either.
34:59Supporting an independent brand is better than supporting a big brand that doesn't need it.
35:06So if I'm going to spend my money anywhere, I'd, I'd like to do it with Small Talk.
35:09But I'm going to try and hold out at least until the end of the summer.
35:13I'm not going to wear cords in the New York summer anyways.
35:16That's right.
35:17So if I think about it like that.
35:18Yeah.
35:19Well, just, it's your willpower.
35:21And I have a lot of willpower.
35:22Like I, I don't need, like my, my, the way I rationalize it in my head is like, I don't need these things.
35:29Like that's, that's why it's easy for me to not fall into certain like buying trends where it's like, yeah, I don't need it.
35:36Like I have, like I have shoes at home that work.
35:39Right.
35:40So it's like.
35:41I can just wear those shoes.
35:42Yeah.
35:43It's easy for me to, to do that, but where it's something that is just what it is.
35:46And from a brand like that, where it's just very bespoke.
35:50I'm like, oof.
35:51Yeah.
35:52That would be fun.
35:53That would be fun.
35:54Your latest goodbye.
35:55So this will be something secondhand.
35:57Mmm.
35:59It's not a clothing piece.
36:01That's fine.
36:02But I found this olive oil phone from the cartoon Popeye and it's olive oil and her baby sweet pea.
36:10And they're just, it's like a weird rubberized version of them and they're just chilling on the base of the phone.
36:17It's like a landline.
36:18And I just love stuff like that.
36:21Amazing.
36:22I have, my whole wall is filled with, while I don't dress kooky crazy novelty anymore, my apartment reflects it for sure.
36:29Yeah.
36:30So I have a big collection of novelty lamps.
36:32Okay.
36:33And now I think this is my new beginning of my collection of novelty phones.
36:39That was, that was the thing I was most, most excited about recently.
36:46Anna was secondhand.
36:48Ella Emhoff.
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