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Sunday Morning Live 8 June 2025

In this episode, I explore the relationship between reason, societal structures, and human interactions within our political landscape. I discuss the negative impact of coercion on rational discourse and analyze the consequences of welfare dependency on personal responsibility and community cohesion.

Reflecting on themes from my documentary "Sunset in the Golden State," I highlight the importance of long-term ethics over immediate gratification. I advocate for cooperation and interdependence as vital for fostering healthy relationships and emphasize peaceful parenting as a path to cultivating rational future generations grounded in reason and trust.

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Transcript
00:00Hello, hello, everybody. Oh, my gosh, it's the 8th of June, 2025. Welcome to your Sunday morning live.
00:08Let's go to the Church of Reason and kneel before Aristotle and the Syllogisms.
00:13So, it's a great ska band from the 70s. I mean, the 470s BC.
00:21All right. So, questions, comments, issues, challenges, any riots in your area?
00:27Well, I mean, this is why I'm out of politics, because things now are decided by force.
00:33Reason, like Elvis, has left the building.
00:39So, there is to be no particular reasoning.
00:44At this point, it is simply being decided by matters of force, and that was fairly predictable.
00:51It was very predictable.
00:52And when the philosophers exit, right, when the philosophers exit, other people come in.
00:59Other people have to come in, and we don't have much to do with each other.
01:02I think it's a real shame.
01:03Thank you, Peter. That's a very lovely way to start off the live stream.
01:07Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
01:10And, of course, I did a whole documentary called Sunset in the Golden State.
01:13You can get it at freedomain.com slash documentaries.
01:16I did a whole documentary on all of the disasters that were coming to California and all the reasons why, except one, which I didn't put on film.
01:27Anyway, so, I hope you're doing well.
01:29I hope you're having a lovely weekend.
01:31I hope you are as sad as I am to be right about everything.
01:37As sad as I am to be right about everything.
01:39And, yeah, you should watch the documentary.
01:44It's really quite good.
01:46Very good, in my humble opinion.
01:48I did three documentaries, Poland, Hong Kong, and California.
01:52And I'd like to do more, but, unfortunately, the cost benefit.
01:57I was so heavily suppressed with regards to my Hong Kong documentary.
02:01Man, it was crazy, man.
02:03It was crazy.
02:05I mean, you could do a search for the exact title of, like, Hong Kong Fight for Freedom.
02:11You could do an exact search for the title of my documentary on YouTube, and it wouldn't show up.
02:17And, I mean, I was so into the protests.
02:21I went with all the protesters and, you know, myself and the filmmaker.
02:25We took facefuls of tear gas and were coughing up our lungs and guts just to cover this all.
02:31And it was all very, it was all very powerful.
02:36And that's the nature of the state.
02:39So, yeah.
02:41And so, I mean, that's the problem with suppression, of course, is it changes your, yeah.
02:48It even shows it on the book cover of The Art of the Argument.
02:50It's either reason or burning buildings, yeah.
02:52What have I said from the very beginning?
02:54We either decide our issues on reason and evidence or force.
03:02There's nothing else.
03:05And the force can be sort of, you know, bullying and emotional abuse and all this kind of stuff.
03:10But that is still a fact.
03:16That that's our only options.
03:18So, how would we convince most people to not take all of the short-term handouts?
03:23So, the promotion of hedonism exists in order to displace morality.
03:34And, I mean, I've been thinking a lot about how I grew up.
03:44And the way that I grew up was I was offered all the hedonism in the known universe in return for not focusing on any moral absolutes at all.
03:54I mean, that's the devil's bargain.
03:56Go have fun.
03:57Go have fun.
03:58Go enjoy yourself.
03:59Don't you worry your pretty little head about moral absolutes.
04:02That's a fantasy.
04:03It's a—morality is a press, if you see, and feelings and dopamine and serotonin, they're all liberating, right?
04:10Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law is the message of Satan.
04:15And I was offered all of that.
04:18I was offered all of that.
04:19I took it a little bit.
04:20And then I was like, this is shredding my soul like brie on a cheese grater.
04:25So, you can't convince people not to take shorthand benefits.
04:35You can convince them to not go in that direction.
04:39But once they're in that direction, right?
04:40It's the famous cry of the welfare mom, right?
04:43Who's going to feed my kids?
04:44Who's going to feed my kids, right?
04:46How are my kids going to eat?
04:50You know, or like—and I don't mean to laugh because, you know, it is human life and all of that.
04:53But if some of the USAID cuts, they say, oh, this girl in Africa died because it's like, okay, so our taxpayers in, say, America, are the, you know, eight remaining taxpayers in America, are they now foundationally responsible
05:10for every life on—in every country on the planet forever and ever, amen?
05:19Like, if you're just working and trying to provide for your own family and trying to save and taking care of your aging parents,
05:24you are also now responsible for every life on the planet.
05:29In other words, if some girl in Africa dies because there's some cuts to American foreign aid or USAID spending,
05:38and, you know, I don't really believe in much of it at all anymore.
05:43It's basically just a way of laundering money.
05:45And I talked about this, gosh, I mean, the round trip of the foreign aid dollar.
05:49I talked about this, I don't know, 17 years ago on the show, just about it.
05:54Foreign aid is just a way of getting money back into pockets in the host country.
05:58In this case, it would be America.
06:00So if a girl dies in Africa because of cuts in U.S. spending, what does that mean?
06:09Well, of course, to the sentimental and to the emotional, it's like, oh, we should take care of everyone.
06:13But that's an addiction, right?
06:17People don't categorize pathological altruism as the most dangerous addiction, but it sure as fuck is.
06:22You know, how many men have ended up in jail or suicidal or they have taken an alternate path to the future called being underground?
06:39How many men have had their lives destroyed because they want to save some woman?
06:47Well, no, Captain, Captain Save-A-Ho is the coarse phrase for it, right?
06:56How many men have had their lives destroyed?
07:00How many women have had their lives destroyed because they can fix the drug addict, the alcoholic, the violent guy, the abuser or whatever, right?
07:07The most dangerous addiction in the world, bar none, is pathological altruism.
07:14Which addicts put immediate emotional satisfaction above long-term survival.
07:23Now, the problem, of course, as a heroin addict puts his own immediate emotional satisfaction for reasons of child abuse, as Dr. Gabor Matei has gone into in great detail, which I sympathize with, but we still have to deal with people as adults.
07:35So at least the heroin addict destroys only himself and those around you.
07:41The pathological altruist combined with the infinite power of the state destroys entire civilizations.
07:49I mean, when I meet someone who doesn't have a grim sense of facts and reality, you know, well, if someone dies because someone else doesn't spend money,
08:04well, what is the local African government's responsibility?
08:09What are the local leaders' responsibilities?
08:11What is the woman's responsibility?
08:12What is the family's responsibility?
08:14Apparently, it doesn't exist at all.
08:17It does not exist at all.
08:18They are, in the view, in this mindset, not that they are, but they are, in this mindset, you know, fools who can't manage their own affairs and therefore, like children, need to be given.
08:31And this is what?
08:32This is the way that you get the largely female nurturing side, which is beautiful for children and terrifying in politics.
08:38You just, bad things happen if we, if someone else doesn't give people resources, bad things happen.
08:47Well, that's women, they usually, they didn't evolve to give resources directly themselves, right?
08:54Sustainable resources.
08:55They evolved to nag men into giving resources.
09:00And so that's what happens with voting and the state.
09:05So, so with regards, like, so some woman's got three kids by three different men.
09:10What's she going to do about the welfare state?
09:12Now, if the welfare state, and it will, mathematically, that which cannot continue will not continue.
09:16So the welfare state will absolutely, completely and totally collapse.
09:19Like, everybody fix that in your mind.
09:21The current system is being detonated.
09:24It is not, it is not anything of its own accord, right?
09:27The current system is being detonated by very specific choices, which we've gone over a million times.
09:31So, when the money runs out, the women, and in particular, the children will be happier, right?
09:39So how do women with a bunch of kids and no husband, how do they, how do they take care of their kids?
09:45Well, they either find a guy who's willing to pay, or, which is much more likely, they all get together with a bunch of other women who also have a bunch of kids and no husbands.
09:56And they all take care of each other's kids, and then they all work, and they all produce things, and they live in a collective, and they're not as isolated anymore.
10:05The welfare state breeds intergalactic isolation.
10:08You ever get this sort of feeling?
10:10I think William Shantner talked about this when he went into space, just how terrifying space is.
10:16Like, imagine, you know, you're halfway to Mars, and you would just get this freaky sense of just how far away you were from humanity as a whole.
10:24Like, holy crap, it would be so weird and eerie.
10:28If you've ever been, I mean, I got this feeling sometimes when I was working in the bush up north, which is actually a lot less fun than it sounds.
10:37But when I was working in the deep woods up in Bindikina, when the, you know, just shortly before the trees start to thin out, because there's not enough summer.
10:45And I just, I'd be deep out in the bush, and I'd be like, I am so far away from civilization, it's insane.
10:51You know, they always put these science fiction stories, the outer rim, you know, the lawless rim, the lawless outer rim, the outer planets, the outer arm of the galaxy or whatever.
10:59This is all the, oh, the Nathan Fillion sci-fi stuff and all of that, the Firefly stuff, right?
11:08All out there, there's no rules, and, right, the edge of civilization stuff.
11:12And it's even more terrifying in the welfare state.
11:16And I know this from my own mother, who's, you know, been on the welfare state for decades and has no particular society, no particular community.
11:24Nobody cares about her.
11:25And to be alone is to go slowly mad, and sometimes not even slowly.
11:31Sanity requires constant feedback.
11:37Sanity requires constant feedback.
11:38You need people, you, everybody, we all have our crazy thoughts, right?
11:45We all have our deranged crazy thoughts, and our sane and rational ones, and we need people's continual feedback in order to not go crazy.
11:53To not follow that rabbit down the hole and fall forever.
11:55So, there's nobody more isolated than the welfare mom in the big city.
12:11Women will do what they have always done, find some guys and offer sex or money and resources.
12:16No, it's not going to work anymore.
12:17No, that shit doesn't work really anymore.
12:20Not for, I mean, for some women, right, for the top 5% of attractive women, sure.
12:23But men, men have meeting spaces where they exchange information.
12:30And men are less likely to date single moms anymore and give them a bunch of resources.
12:38So, it would be absolutely healthier for everyone.
12:43Like, this woman says rather, sorry, someone says rather sarcastically, and I understand that.
12:49He says, Western women working cooperative together?
12:51Is that a joke?
12:53Well, if you ever heard of the Mennonites or the Amish or anything like that, women, Western women, work together beautifully.
13:01They just have, you see, most people respond to incentives, not ideals.
13:04This is, you got to grind this into your bones, and hopefully you can get to that answer.
13:10A whole lot faster than I did for, I had very little excuse, but it's still, I resisted it forever.
13:17Almost everyone responds to incentives, not ideals.
13:22We know this from the Milgram experiment.
13:24We know this from the experiment where they, somebody in a lab coat basically encourages people to continue the experiment, and over two-thirds of people will just kill people because they're told to.
13:34Like, they respond to incentives, well, I want the approval of the guy in the lab coat, and I don't want to say no, and they're, you know, it's not human nature.
13:41We're just, we're broken.
13:43We're broken.
13:44Like, you know, we're broken like those flimsy boards at a kid's karate competition.
13:47We're broken by the state.
13:49We're broken by education.
13:51Sometimes we're broken by religion into just being malleable, compliant foot soldiers and placid, accepting factory workers.
14:02So, at least two-thirds, and that's just at a, and that's with regards to, like, putting people, 400 volts through people and potentially killing them.
14:11At least that's how the experiment was set up.
14:13So, we know that the vast majority of people respond to incentives, not to ideals.
14:19Well, they'll talk about ideals.
14:21Ideals are fun to talk about.
14:22They're fun to reason about and think about, but not to actually do.
14:26You know, like, it's fun to read a diet book, and everyone's had that experience when you want to lose weight.
14:30Ah, this is a cool diet book, man.
14:31I watched this video about a guy who lives on juice, and it's great, and, you know, and then it's fun to read the diet book.
14:37Like, it's fun to read or watch workout videos.
14:40It's not so much fun to actually diet and then really go and work out hard.
14:44So, women work together beautifully if it's in their best interest, as most people, at least in the current system, the current mindset, the current broken human spirit, they do what they're incentivized to do.
15:00Women don't have to work together.
15:01Women can be real witches with a capital B to each other because they can always run to the government for money.
15:09Asking people to be moral when there's a welfare state is like demanding an intense self-sacrificial work ethic from the privileged son and daughters, sons and daughters of almost infinitely wealthy people.
15:31So, women don't need each other so they can be bitches to each other.
15:42They don't have to cooperate.
15:43They can have their petty resentments.
15:44They don't have to get over anything.
15:47I mean, if there are two women, right, they live next door to each other, and let's say there's no welfare state, and they both require each other to watch their kids when they go out or go to work or whatever, right?
15:58If there are two single moms that live next to each other, they've got a couple of kids each, and they completely rely on each other.
16:03There's nobody else to watch their kids.
16:05There's no welfare state.
16:06There's no daycare that's free.
16:08There's no, like, nannies that are free.
16:09There's no subsidies.
16:11They desperately need each other.
16:13Okay, are they going to – they can't afford to get into some stupid spat where they just walk away forever.
16:22Most human relationships are based upon mutual dependence and productivity.
16:25Mutual value, the exchange of mutual value.
16:29The welfare state eliminates all of that, all of it.
16:32And, like, you've got to understand, we look at people on the welfare state as poor, absolutely wrong.
16:38And the only way to think of that is to not know about human history.
16:42Would you rather be the king of France in the 15th century, or would you rather be on welfare in the 21st century?
16:49I mean, it's not even close.
16:51I mean, so the people on welfare in the 21st century, and really since the welfare state was established for old people in the 30s, for everyone else in the 60s,
17:10they are the recipients of the greatest wealth in human history, bar, you know, like, they're wealthier than 99.99999% of human history.
17:25So, those two women who really need each other, they will find a way to resolve their conflicts.
17:34They'll have their conflicts, but they're like, well, we need each other, so we'll find out a way to resolve our conflicts.
17:40But if they're all on welfare, and they don't need each other, they can have all of the petty resentments and explosions and anger and self-righteousness and so on, right?
17:50Self-righteousness, which is like, I'm right just because of me, and I don't need to conform to anyone or anything, that's all driven by independence.
18:01It's that old country song, take this job and shove it, I ain't working here no more, my woman done left and took all the reasons I'd been working for.
18:11If you win the lottery, what happens to your work ethic?
18:15Do you need your boss?
18:16Will you resolve things with your boss?
18:18Will you make sure your boss is happy if you just won $20 million in the lottery?
18:22Well, no.
18:22And the welfare state, historically, is like $50 million, because you have modern medicine, modern science, modern comforts, modern conveniences, modern money, I mean, just crazy, right?
18:37So, people on welfare, historically, are the wealthiest people, virtually the wealthiest people in human history, and they have won the absolute lottery.
18:53And so, when you think of people on welfare, just think of people who have won the lottery.
18:59How entitled are they?
19:00How arrogant are they?
19:01How hardworking are they?
19:01So, once they're in there, right, it's like trying to, you can say to someone, don't play the lottery, right?
19:07Lottery is a tax on mathematical illiteracy.
19:11So, you can say to people, don't play the lottery.
19:14You're going to lose your money, and also, it's going to erode your work ethic, because you're going to have this fantasy of money that's going to erode your work ethic, and it's going to cost you way more, right?
19:22So, you can say to people, don't play the lottery.
19:25What you can't do is say to people who just won $20 million in the lottery, don't take the money.
19:31And, again, we look upon people in the welfare state, and I grew up among welfare families and all of that.
19:38It's super comfortable.
19:40Super comfortable.
19:42So, they are just about the wealthiest people around, and you have to look at people on the welfare state.
19:49And, I mean, we're talking also about the wealthy have their own welfare state and so on, so, you know, tax considerations and military-industrial complex and, you know, access to politicians.
20:00So, the rich have their own welfare, but we're just talking about the poor.
20:03The poor have won the lottery.
20:06The poor in the West have won the lottery, right?
20:09I mean, somebody who goes from the Middle East to, say, a European welfare state makes 30 times his income without having to work, right?
20:16That's winning the lottery, right?
20:19That's winning the lottery.
20:22That's going from making $20 an hour to $600 an hour.
20:25You don't think you'd make a big journey for that?
20:27And you don't have to work.
20:29So, yeah, it's wild.
20:30So, you can't talk people out of their benefits.
20:33They just have to wait for the collapse.
20:34But you can talk to people about not getting into those situations to begin with.
20:43All right.
20:44Let's see here.
20:47You argue that people disbelieving in UPB does not free them from their conscience.
20:50A Christian can argue that disbelieving God does not free them from God's judgment.
20:54Right.
20:54But UPB is proven and God is not.
20:57So, it's a little different.
21:00All right.
21:04Have reason and evidence ever been a realistic option on Earth?
21:08Aren't there way too many idiots out there?
21:12So, sorry, that's just not helpful.
21:20That's not helpful.
21:21And it's not smart.
21:22And you're a smart guy.
21:23I mean, I know you've been here before.
21:25So, you know, I expect you to do better.
21:28Right.
21:30Guess what?
21:31But everything that's new never existed before.
21:38This podcast did not exist before I did the podcast.
21:43The internal combustion engine did not exist until it was invented.
21:47Neither did the steam train or the airplane.
21:49Right.
21:49So, everything that's new never existed before.
21:51So, if you're saying, well, come on, man.
21:53You can't build an airplane.
21:54There's never been one in human history.
21:56You can't build an internal combustion engine.
21:58Has there ever been one in human?
21:59Who cares?
22:00Who cares what the fuck happened in the past?
22:02What matters is the future.
22:04Now, I get there's not a magic wand that is going to make everyone rational because irrationality is so satisfying to people and is so well funded by the state because the state wants people to be irrational.
22:15So, it stays dependent on the state.
22:17So, I have a whole plan, which is peaceful parenting, which I've been working on for many years.
22:22And I did the numbers between a billion and a billion and a half fewer assaults on children have occurred as the result of what it is that I do.
22:30So, what I'm doing is, you know, peaceful parenting will raise rational children.
22:34I mean, not 100%, but it's a lot better than what it is right now.
22:38So, peaceful parenting raises rational and empirical children because you reason, you teach the kids the language of reason rather than a force.
22:47So, that's what I'm doing.
22:48And what you're doing is you're just saying, yeah, well, it hasn't happened before, so it's not going to happen.
22:54It's like, okay, well, then those of us who are getting shit done will get shit done.
23:00And you will just say, oh, it's not possible, Kirk, it didn't exist before, man.
23:07Okay, thank you for your contribution.
23:09We're just going to ignore you.
23:11I mean, people who want to get stuff, like people who are actually getting stuff done, the people who are just kind of nipping and snapping and, right, for every person who's in the arena getting things done, there's all the people in the crowd saying how they should do it differently and better or it's not going to work.
23:24Right, so don't be one of these people who just tells people things aren't going to work.
23:27Be one of these people who get things to work.
23:30Be one of those people.
23:32Because the problem is you just end up with a bunch of other whiners and complainers and naggers.
23:36I don't know why you'd want that.
23:38Why wouldn't you want to be around people who are getting stuff done?
23:41I'm getting an enormous amount done.
23:42I'm very pleased with it.
23:44All right.
23:50Man, you want to start your own business?
23:52Well, that business has never existed before in human history, so it's not going to happen.
23:56It's like, okay, I guess I'll go just start the business and stay away from you because you're just dragging people down, right?
24:01And I don't want you to – I'm not trying to nag at you.
24:03I'm just saying I don't want you to be in that situation where people don't want to be around you because you're just kind of negative and it's sort of pointless, right?
24:14All right.
24:19I really appreciate the answer right in alignment with my thinking on refusing short-term handouts.
24:25As a corollary, how can we convince people that a moral life really does end better?
24:30I'm having trouble forming up this second question.
24:33Apologies if it is not yet clear.
24:35Okay, let me just skip down a bit, see if he made it clearer.
24:39No, he went on to another topic.
24:43How can we convince people that a moral life really does end better?
24:48What do you mean by end better?
24:50Do you mean on your deathbed?
24:53Lots of moral people have a deathbed that's quite imminent rather than a long way down the road.
24:58Good men are slaughtered like rabid dogs in their 20s and 30s and evil people live to a creaky Peter Cushing-style old age, right?
25:09Not that he was evil, but the characters were pretty old.
25:17So, I'm not sure what you mean by end better.
25:21You know, there's an old saying from Churchill.
25:30He says, democracy is the worst system of government except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.
25:35And maybe that's true.
25:37I mean, no government is better than government because reason and peace is better than force and coercion and enslavement.
25:45So, a moral life really does end better.
25:48Well, if you live a moral life, you're surrounded by moral people.
25:54That is going to happen, right?
25:56If you live a moral life, you will.
25:59And it may be a grueling process.
26:00It sure as hell was for me.
26:01But if you live a moral life, you will be surrounded by moral people.
26:05And don't you want to live around honest people who have your back rather than people who lie and cheat and prevaricate and betray?
26:13Like, don't you want that?
26:15Why wouldn't you want to be around good people?
26:19Why wouldn't you want to be around people you don't have to lie to?
26:22Why don't you want to be around people you can trust?
26:25You can trust.
26:26You know, I hear about these relationships where, like, I'm going to need the password to your phone to make sure you're not cheating, you know?
26:31That's just awful.
26:35What a horrible, wretched, terrible existence.
26:40Because, you know, bad people are constantly complaining about other bad people.
26:44Wouldn't it be nice?
26:45Wouldn't it be lovely to live in a world, to live in a social world where you didn't have to complain about anyone?
26:54When was the last time you heard me complain about my wife?
26:56I praise her from head to toe, which admittedly is not a great distance because she's Greek.
27:01But you have more fun around moral people.
27:06You have more relaxation around moral people.
27:08You have more trust around moral people.
27:10You make more money often around moral people because you don't have all the overhead of people ripping you off and betraying you from time to time or continually.
27:16You have less moral upset and emotional upset around moral people because they're not putting you down or manipulating you.
27:25Like, why wouldn't you want to be around good people?
27:27But the price of being around good people is being a good person.
27:32That's why I'm constantly telling people, don't be altruistic in that way.
27:36Don't be pathologically altruistic.
27:37Don't trust people who are untrustworthy.
27:39Don't give honesty to people who are liars.
27:42Morality is a relationship.
27:43Shun evil.
27:44Embrace virtue.
27:46I mean, of course, evil people will tell good people that the good people absolutely need to provide resources to the evil people out of abstract blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
27:59No, it's just predation.
28:01It's just exploitation.
28:03More money and resources are stolen through language than guns.
28:10So, the price of being around good people is being a good person and the quality of life.
28:19I've been around good and bad people over the course of my life, man.
28:23And it's probably about equal now in terms of my adulthood.
28:25Being around good people, I can't honestly remember a friend or family member, I can't remember the last time I had any kind of significant conflict.
28:39We just get together, we have chats, we enjoy each other's company, there's a lot of jokes, and it's a great deal of fun.
28:46And I can't remember the last conflict I had with my wife.
28:51It's been years.
28:51I mean, honestly, isn't that better?
28:59I mean, isn't it better to have fun with and get along with people than to fight and fear betrayal all the time?
29:05Ew, gross.
29:08All right.
29:08Somebody says, I can talk of men who get involved in protecting a woman in public from a man, but it's her boyfriend, and then she and her friends turn on him.
29:20As the outsider, he ends up fleeing into a building to save his life.
29:24Yeah.
29:25Yeah, I mean, it's a real shame that male protection has vanished.
29:29Like, the Me Too thing was an antinatalist thing.
29:34It was an antinatalist campaign to reduce the population of people with a conscience.
29:40Because the Me Too thing was, oh, well, I mean, I don't want to bother a woman in public.
29:47I don't want to intrude.
29:47I don't want to, right?
29:48So those are sensitive men with a conscience, right?
29:50The other men don't care.
29:52So it's just a way of further eradicating the conscience from society as a whole.
30:00All right.
30:03Housing stuff.
30:06Yeah.
30:07That's too obvious for words.
30:10How do you explain the groupie phenomenon in female nature?
30:13A normal woman will act like a complete whore around rock stars, sports players, and other celebrities.
30:19Oh, the groupie.
30:20I thought you meant like they score higher in the trait agreeableness.
30:25Groupie phenomenon in female nature?
30:27Well, so in the past, right, in the West, in the past, if a woman got pregnant by a guy, he'd be forced to marry her.
30:38So throwing yourself at a man with a huge amount of resources was a pretty great way for a woman to end up with a lot of resources.
30:44And just because that doesn't happen in society anymore, and what was it, Magic, no, Will Chamberlain slept with these claims that with 10,000 women.
30:53So each one of those 10,000 women were like, okay, if I can get this guy to have sex with me, and I get pregnant, society will force him to marry me, and I'll end up with millions of dollars, right?
31:02Now you can say, well, that's not rational, but this is, we're talking about instinctual discipline urges that evolved over millions of years, right?
31:10So that's why.
31:15If I heard that right, moral life doesn't sell in a welfare state.
31:18Wow, thanks for that connection.
31:20Yeah.
31:20So, I mean, the welfare state is taking money from the responsible and giving money to the irresponsible.
31:24Whatever you tax diminishes, whatever you subsidize, you get more of.
31:26So you tax productivity, you get less productivity.
31:28You subsidize irresponsibility, you get impulsive, irresponsible people.
31:32So, with a decent intellect and welfare money, you can live an incredibly comfortable life.
31:40Oh, yeah.
31:44I mean, it does nort your conscience, not being productive, but, all right.
31:51Do, do, do, do, do, all right.
31:54Steph, I have a question related to women.
31:57I was in a group of women and saw this said by the owner of the group.
32:03Context.
32:03Women complains.
32:05Woman complains about the Bible focusing exclusively on Jesus's paternal lineage instead of maternal.
32:12She said this disgusts her about the Bible.
32:20God, that's, uh, can I even see that?
32:22I might need to save this and zoom it in a little.
32:24That's, that's, that's a kind of faded, man.
32:27That's kind of faded.
32:31I'm going to tell you how it's going to be.
32:34You're going to give your sweet love to me.
32:36All right.
32:41Let's see here.
32:42Most of us know that the feminine has been erased and craves space to be made for her.
32:47What?
32:48Most of us know that the feminine, stop telling me I want to edit my images.
32:53Okay.
32:53Most of us know that the feminine has been erased and craves space to be made for her.
32:58Okay.
32:59That's, what is she having with a stroke?
33:03It's important for us to face our wounds and triggers and really explore why this brings
33:08up hatred or disgust for the systems in place.
33:10Men get honor or recognition because women have the power.
33:15Honor does not equal power.
33:17Because of biology, women have a desire ability factor.
33:22Men desire us more than we desire them.
33:24Men need us, especially our bodies, more than we need them.
33:26We have always had the power, which is why femininity is so targeted.
33:31The great lie was that we need the honor to have the power.
33:35It led us to handing over our power to get the honor.
33:37I don't know.
33:37Portrait.
33:38This is just word salad.
33:39Yeah, this is, this is a woman who's, who's taking her emotional issues and confusions
33:45and trying to make them into some abstract argument, which doesn't work very well as
33:50a whole.
33:51And in particular for, for women.
33:54And, and I say this as a man who's been influenced by female thinkers enormously.
33:58So, uh, what does she say here?
34:02Women have the power because of biology.
34:04So, so, so, so because men have a higher sex drive than women often, although I don't
34:10think that's true as a whole, but this is the general thought men desire us more than
34:14we desire them.
34:15Men need us, especially our bodies more than we need them.
34:18Oh, is that right, honey?
34:19Okay.
34:19Okay.
34:20Got it.
34:20So, so what you should do is you should go back to the caveman days and try and survive
34:24without a man, just, you know, try and survive without a man.
34:28You don't need a man to build your hut.
34:30You don't need a man to build your fences.
34:32You don't need a man to wrestle the pigs.
34:34You don't need a man to protect you.
34:35You don't need a man to hunt you.
34:36You can just do it all on your own, all on your own.
34:41Come on.
34:42So, women have this belief that they don't need men because what they take from men has
34:47now been automated and coerced, right?
34:50So, women believe that they don't need men because they've run to the government.
34:56The government takes largely from men and gives largely to women and say, well, we don't
34:58need men.
34:59It's like, well, then you should reject tax.
35:01You should reject the welfare state and all other forms of government subsidies because
35:05they're largely funded by men.
35:09So, anyway.
35:10All right.
35:10Thank you, Frank.
35:11I appreciate your tip.
35:12FreeDomain.com slash donate to help out the show.
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35:17All right.
35:20You're twice more likely to get hit by a bus on the way to buy a lottery ticket than to
35:24win.
35:25Yeah.
35:27All right.
35:28I was wondering your take on this.
35:30My husband and I broke it down, but I was wondering if you would pick up something we
35:33missed.
35:33Anyway, I left that group because the owner's sentiments felt icky.
35:36Yeah.
35:38I mean, when people, when women say, I don't need men, I mean, you only exist because of
35:46men, right?
35:47Because the sperm went into an egg, right?
35:49And sperm comes from the men.
35:50So, you only exist because of men.
35:52Women who say they don't need men while driving on roads built almost exclusively by men.
35:58And they would be almost exclusively by men if it wasn't for all of these rules that you
36:02have to hire a whole bunch of people to hold the stop sign.
36:05But, yeah, oh, we don't need men, which they type on the phone built and designed by men
36:13on the internet built and maintained by men and invented by men.
36:17And they drive on their roads on the cars invented by men.
36:21And they go into the buildings maintained and built by men to the comfortable office desk
36:26built by men and the air conditioning system built and run by men.
36:30I mean, it's a, it's just, it's, it's a, it's madness.
36:34It is a, it is a foundational lack of gratitude and a surrender to rank hate-filled ideology.
36:41We need women.
36:43Women need men.
36:45We have evolved that way.
36:46We got to the top, apex predators.
36:48We got to the top of the food chain because men and women complement each other perfectly.
36:52Somebody says, sounds like Steph is saying the environmental necessity will force people,
37:02women to get along, which seems historically false.
37:06I'm sorry.
37:07It's the same guy.
37:08You just, you don't know how to add things to an intellectual.
37:11So sounds like, okay, I'll just break it down.
37:14Like this is, you gotta, you gotta just work harder to contribute.
37:17Like this is a high level discussion.
37:18This is a high level discussion and you don't let a guy into the orchestra who's just learning
37:23how to play the kazoo, right?
37:24So I'm, I'm saying this, you're a very smart guy, great language skills, but you need to
37:28up your game.
37:29Sounds like, okay, that's called a straw man, right?
37:32Do you need to quote back what I said and deal with that?
37:35Sounds like Steph is saying the environmental necessity will force people to get along.
37:40Okay.
37:41Did I ever say force?
37:42I gave you the example of the two women with children who rely only upon each other for childcare,
37:47right?
37:47That woman A gives her kids to woman B when woman A is busy and vice versa, right?
37:52Now, if there's no welfare state and they really need each other to take care of each
37:56other's children, they're going to work harder to get along.
37:58Did I ever say anything about force?
38:00Did I ever say anything about anyone beating someone up or threatening them or pulling a
38:04gun?
38:04Did I ever say anything about force?
38:06Nope.
38:08So you're inserting something.
38:09When I'm talking about incentives, people have a greater incentive to get along when they
38:13really need each other, and they won't retreat into this petty superiority that destroys relationships
38:18when they don't need each other.
38:20Yeah.
38:21And I gave the example, if you won $20 million in the lottery, which is kind of the historical
38:25equivalent of the welfare state, if you won $20 million in the lottery, would you be as
38:29concerned about your boss being happy?
38:31No.
38:32Would you work as hard to make your boss happy and to do a great job?
38:36No.
38:37So, yeah, I mean, you can say, well, if you, somebody would, who's a workaholic or OCD,
38:43okay, don't care, don't care, don't care.
38:47I mean, this is as useful as if, you know, 50 years ago I said, boy, if I didn't think
38:53I could have, but so 50 years ago, if I'd have said, we need to focus on reducing lung
38:57cancer, and the vast majority of people who get lung cancer get it from smoking or asbestos
39:03or whatever, right?
39:04Okay, so you say, well, but, but, but, but, you know, half a percentage of people, they
39:09get lung cancer without exposure to tobacco smoke or to asbestos, like, you deal with
39:19the majority, right?
39:21I mean, it's like saying, well, I can't, I can't open a steak restaurant because half
39:26a percentage of people in the neighborhood are vegans.
39:29Okay, let somebody else open the restaurant.
39:31So, uh, you straw manned, and then you straw manned again, right?
39:37Sounds like, right, if you're not going to quote me back or really work to understand
39:40what it is that I'm saying, you're just typing stuff, trying to sound smart, and you are smart.
39:44That's the frustrating thing.
39:46You don't need to fake it.
39:46You are smart.
39:48You've got to listen.
39:49If you want to address a high-level discussion, you need to understand the arguments and not
39:54just straw manned yourself, which seems historically false without making an argument, unless you
39:58did, unless you did.
40:00Um, let's see here.
40:04Okay.
40:05Seems historically false.
40:07I don't, I don't know what that exactly means.
40:10Um, and of course, uh, okay.
40:12So it's always, uh,
40:13He says, World War II, women were cooperative slash capable, but came from that cultural
40:24slash functioning culture.
40:26Hard times don't improve shitty people.
40:28It usually gets them dead.
40:31World War II women were cooperative slash capable.
40:34Like, do you know the Rosie the Riveter?
40:35Like the, you know, we can do it.
40:37The Rosie the Riveter woman.
40:38She, um, she quit after a day, by the way.
40:41World War II women were cooperative slash capable.
40:49Well, uh, there was a necessity there.
40:51So you actually, you're actually serving my argument rather than yours.
40:55Right?
40:55So I'm saying when people really need each other, uh, they tend to work together better.
41:00Sure.
41:01And so in World War II, uh, women were being bombed, uh, certainly in, in go watch Mrs.
41:07Minifer, right?
41:08Um, women were, were being bombed and their husbands,
41:11were taken away and they desperately needed each other, uh, in order for their culture
41:15to survive as they were told.
41:17And to some degree that was true.
41:18Right?
41:18So, well, when women, women work, women work well together, as do men, when there's a necessity.
41:26Right?
41:28I mean, you can go and watch, uh, Bill Bear Grylls is the island.
41:32The male and the female one are quite interesting.
41:34Right?
41:34So some of the men, they just fight and they're petty and they don't get along.
41:38And then they just leave the island.
41:39What if you can't leave the island?
41:40Right?
41:42Have you, have you never been in a situation with a bunch of, um, people around when there's
41:47a sudden emergency?
41:48Everybody just pulls together and the differences are forgotten and everyone works out.
41:52Right?
41:52So, all right.
41:55Living a moral life attracts moral people, creating a higher quality of life.
42:02Yes.
42:03Yes.
42:09All right.
42:13It's crazy.
42:14I saw a documentary, says someone, on a famous reggaeton singer.
42:18Said, I remember when we used to sit in the government yard in Trenchtown.
42:23It was a great song.
42:25The live version is better than the, and it's not no woman, no cry.
42:30It doesn't mean if you have no woman, you won't cry.
42:32It means, no woman, don't cry.
42:35Don't cry.
42:36Don't cry.
42:38Um, he was, uh, the famous reggaeton singer and he was mobbed by very attractive women
42:42begging, give me a baby in front of the singer's wife.
42:44Yeah, for sure.
42:45You got a baby, get the resources, right?
42:50Uh, women run the world low key.
42:53Nope.
42:54Nope.
42:54The state runs the world and women outvote men.
42:57It's, uh, it's artificial.
42:59It's artificial.
43:04In a recent call-in, the caller mentioned behaving badly and cheating to get the other
43:08to break up with him.
43:09I know this thinking is fairly common, but don't understand why.
43:12Is it a fear of confrontation, less guilt to carry, or something else?
43:16Yeah, it could be a fear of confrontation.
43:17It could also be that, uh, and maybe the feel, feeling is that if the woman hates you,
43:22is really angry at you, and is disappointed and bitter and just wants to get away from
43:25you, that you won't face anything, um, particularly difficult or perhaps legal with accusations or
43:31something like that.
43:32So, uh, thank you for the donation at, uh, freedomain.com slash tonight.
43:41I appreciate that.
43:42You know what, Steph?
43:44Keep trying, boomer.
43:45Oh, this is the same guy.
43:47Okay, uh, that's fine.
43:49I, um, uh, I'm nice to people the first time I meet them, and after that, I treat them as
44:01they, uh, treat me.
44:02So, I'm trying to be encouraging.
44:04I praised your intelligence and your language skills and, uh, tried to get you to up your
44:08game.
44:08You're coming back with insults.
44:10So, um, get lost.
44:12I, uh, you're dead to me.
44:14He, oh, he wrote, you said, remember, removing the welfare state, women will get along.
44:17Play semantics if you want, but my point was legit.
44:24Removing the welfare state, women will get along.
44:27Uh, it certainly wasn't that simple.
44:28I said, people respond to incentives.
44:30If people need each other, they're more likely to get along, and they're more likely to work
44:33things out, right?
44:34But anyway, uh, so I tried to be, uh, I tried to be nice and encouraging and to tell you where
44:38you went wrong and, and praised your intelligence and language skills.
44:41You come back with insults.
44:42So, um, yeah, I mean, without an apology, uh, I'm going to completely ignore everything
44:48you say from here on in.
44:49All right.
44:50James says 0.5 vegans in the, 0.5% vegans in the neighborhood would be an incentive for
44:55me to open a steakhouse.
44:56Yeah, for sure.
44:57For sure.
44:58I love to hear the singing voice coming back.
45:00Yes.
45:01Yes.
45:01It's been months, man.
45:02It's been months.
45:02But you know what the nice thing is, is that because it's been months, my voice is a
45:05little fresh, fresh, exciting.
45:08Just got here.
45:09What are we talking about?
45:13Hey, if you could just stop the movie again, man.
45:15Do you, do you go to movies?
45:17Do you go to movies 20 minutes late, lean over to the people next to you who you don't
45:20know and say, sorry, what's happened so far?
45:22Who's this?
45:23Why is he fighting with that?
45:24Like, good Lord, in titles or what?
45:30The welfare state of yesteryear was called marriage.
45:33No, no.
45:36No, because the welfare state is coercive and marriage is not.
45:38So it's like saying that the, the, the, the lovemaking of yesteryear was called rape.
45:44It's like, no, there's a totally opposite categories.
45:47Well, pardon me, LOL.
45:49No, it's just, it's just funny.
45:50I mean, it's just kind of funny people coming in and saying, well, I'm, I'm 47 minutes late
45:54to the live stream.
45:56What's, what's going on?
45:57And it's like, that's, it's a little rude.
45:58I just, I'd be honest with you.
46:00It's a little rude because it's kind of distracting for the people who are here on time.
46:04So, sorry, you're still dead to me.
46:06I'm still not reading or processing anything that you're saying.
46:09So, um, you can type if you want, but it's, uh, without an apology, you're dead to me
46:15because I didn't insult you and you insulted me.
46:17So don't care what you say.
46:21I don't care what you say.
46:24All right.
46:26Uh, we're going to do, you know what?
46:28We're going to do a little bit more.
46:29I have the Jordan Peterson thing queued up and I've really been enjoying going through
46:32that.
46:33I mean, yes and no.
46:35It's interesting, but it's also kind of painful.
46:38Um, so, um, but what we're going to do is we're going to go.
46:42Yeah.
46:42What did I miss?
46:43Can I have some of your popcorn?
46:46Yeah.
46:47All right.
46:50Vegan protest.
46:51Best response is men start up barbecue across the road and start serving hot dogs and burgers.
46:55Yeah.
46:57Yeah.
46:58Yeah.
47:05Um.
47:07All right.
47:08Um, so yeah, I think I'm going to go donor only and, um, we can talk spicy stuff if you like.
47:14Um, so we're going to go donor only.
47:17And if you want to join in that part of the conversation, you can just go to, um, FDR
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47:29Uh, this is going to be recorded for local, for, for donors.
47:32It's going to only go to donors.
47:34So we're going to go there in a moment or two.
47:36And, um, I really do thank you for your support.
47:41Freedom main.com slash.
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47:46And, um, I really, um, I got to tell you this new book is so good.
47:52It's so good, man.
47:53I've never had characters this vivid and I've had some pretty vivid characters in the past.
47:58Free domain.locals.com.
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48:00Uh, yes.
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48:24And I really do thank everyone.
48:27And, um, yeah, if people want, we can talk spicy.
48:29I can read some of the new book, whatever is on your minds and thoughts.
48:34I have certainly been revisiting and my daughter has made a fantastic case for going back on
48:38Twitter, which I talked about in the show before.
48:40And, uh, I do like to listen to really good arguments and she just made a killer argument.
48:46And I'm not saying other people haven't, maybe she just, because she's my daughter,
48:49it hit a strong girl or whatever, but she made a very excellent case for going back on
48:53Twitter, which I will, um, talk about.
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