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00:00Big man. Big man.
00:03Dr. Mann took an oath to help people and to do no harm.
00:07Just a really nice guy.
00:09He loved that power that prescribing narcotics gave him.
00:13Just what kind of doctor are you?
00:15Anybody that would do that to girls, to women, is just evil.
00:22He was not going down without a fight. He was not going to lose his power.
00:26I could never imagine how far he could go.
00:56My family are Arkansas people.
01:02We were born and raised in Arkansas, my husband, myself.
01:06We got married in 1979, and we had one child, Ellie.
01:12Ellie loved to hunt with her dad.
01:15She loved the woods. She loved to fish.
01:18Ellie decided that she would love to be a park ranger of some type, where she could work outside.
01:27We had a fishing boat. We had all kinds of hunting gear.
01:30So it was a fun time in our lives to watch her grow from being a little girl to a young woman, growing into adulthood.
01:40In January, February of 1999, we were looking to move to Russellville, and we made several trips up there, and Ellie went with us to look at some property.
01:55On one of these trips, there was an ice storm, and she fell and injured her back very severely.
02:02She needed pain medication to keep the pain at bay.
02:07We shopped around and asked for some referrals on a doctor that would help us with the pain that she was having.
02:20We went to Randeep Mann.
02:24I have no brother there. I have no brother here.
02:30Hi, Missy. Hi, Missy.
02:33My brother has been a guiding light in my life.
02:38Both of us went through public school education in India.
02:43He became a doctor. He was a successful person.
02:46And from that point on, there was no looking back.
02:49Randeep knew that his potential could not be achieved in India,
02:53and decided to move to the United States to be able to learn more, be a better doctor, and be able to help a lot more people.
03:03We left the hospital there.
03:06That's where it's six, seven months or something of my residency.
03:12Heck yeah!
03:13Did you see that?
03:13At 25, he got married.
03:17About two years or three years after he moved to the United States, he was blessed with a son.
03:23Another two years later, a daughter.
03:25And three years later, another daughter.
03:28Randeep is very much a family person.
03:31For him, it's family is everything.
03:34Another view from a new apartment.
03:37Randeep wanted to live the American dream.
03:40It's pretty good.
03:40And that was the reason why he decided to go to the United States.
03:49And I'm just going to get a panoramic view from here.
03:55As you can see, there's a lot of greenery in this state, but only now that the summers have eased off.
04:02Emergency medicine was his calling, and he was very good at it.
04:06It was a passion for him.
04:08He always strove to be the best.
04:09Big man.
04:12Big man.
04:13His whole life was practicing medicine.
04:16He said he went into medicine to give back to the community.
04:20He held a number of jobs at major hospitals in the country.
04:25John Hopkins, Mount Sinai in Wisconsin.
04:29His patients were from almost every walk of life.
04:33He was loved.
04:33He was looked up to, and he was revered by his patients.
04:38He used to send us videos of his life in the United States.
04:53And it was awesome to see him and the family grow.
04:58My brother was earning good money.
05:04He had bought a number of cars, a nice house.
05:09He cherished the American dream.
05:13He lived the American dream.
05:14It's been a new bike.
05:15It's been a new bike.
05:24In 1998, Dr. Mann had a motorcycle accident and injured his back.
05:31That resulted in him being unable to practice in the emergency room because you're supposed
05:37to be able to stand for long periods of time.
05:40He decided that he wanted to change the persona of Dr. Mann.
05:46I think a lot of physicians are inspired by things that happened to them personally.
05:53I think having a chronic pain injury gave Dr. Mann a little more empathy to what other
05:57people might be going through themselves.
06:03He decided he was going to move to Russellville and start his own practice here.
06:10It was a tough decision for him, but he felt that it was time to make the change.
06:18And the next best thing to the emergency room was to have his own practice.
06:23It was like starting life all over again.
06:26It was not a choice for him.
06:27He had to make it.
06:29He did some general medicine, but then he progressed strongly into prescribing pain medications,
06:35opiates, and that became, at the time, his predominant practice.
06:39There was an opportunity there in Russellville for him to practice and do well and help that
06:46community.
06:50In Russellville, if you said Dr. Mann or Randeep Mann, a lot of people knew who he was.
06:57Several other people had said that they had been to Dr. Mann's office and they were impressed
07:03with him as their doctor.
07:04Very quickly, his roster of patients began to grow really large.
07:12If you had an appointment with him, the waiting room would be completely packed.
07:18And there'd be people standing up outside waiting to see him.
07:22He would visit patients 24-7.
07:25His clinic often went much later in the evening.
07:30That was just, I guess, his work mode that he wanted to do.
07:36He seemed very personable and kind.
07:39He came across as a very caring doctor, and I trusted him.
07:44He was just really nice, made you feel comfortable around him, safe, and he was very accommodating.
07:53Dr. Mann would let you pay out your office visit fee.
07:57So, say it was $50, you couldn't pay $50 all at once to go see him.
08:01He would let you pay, like, maybe $20.
08:03Yeah, just a really nice guy.
08:07I made an appointment and we went to see him.
08:10He was very casual.
08:13If you had passed him on the street or in the grocery store, you would not know that he was a doctor.
08:17Even the staff, they just wore street clothes.
08:22He met us in his office.
08:25He directed most of his questions to Ellie because she was the patient.
08:29He told us that he'd had an injury, and he injured his back, and he understood the pain that comes along with that when you want to continue.
08:38He offered himself, anytime that you need me, you call.
08:42I'm available after hours.
08:45If you're having pain, if you're having a problem, you call me.
08:48I take care of my patients.
08:51And it looked like, you know, this is good that he's working with her.
08:55I could see the progress.
08:58She was getting there.
09:09But as time progressed, Ellie was less maybe alert as she should have been, and she slept longer hours.
09:21Her symptoms suggested something was badly wrong.
09:25I got the prescriptions, and man had increased the dosage.
09:32I looked up the hydrocodone.
09:36The very first sentence was how addictive this pain medicine was,
09:43and that patients who have had addiction problems in the past should not be taken.
09:50When Ellie was finishing ninth grade, Leo and I noticed a change in her personality and communication that was distant and secretive.
10:09So, then we had our sit-down with her.
10:14She did confess that she had used hard drugs, that she had injected heroin, and she had done it with a group of friends,
10:22and she had done it when she was alone in her bedroom.
10:25I felt just overwhelmed being the parent and thinking this is up to me to help her.
10:34We knew we had to do something.
10:36Obviously, she needed rehab.
10:40I think it was the very next day she went into an inpatient program.
10:47Addiction is a lifelong struggle for people.
10:50Anyone who's had an addiction problem and overcome it, even if they're five years sober, they still realize it can re-trigger.
10:58You always ask a patient before you're going to give any kind of chronic pain medication what their background history is with other drugs if they had a substance problem in the past.
11:10Dr. Mann prescribes Ellie two addictive drugs, Xanax and Hydrocodone, knowing she had an addiction history.
11:15After educating myself on Hydrocodone and the amount that Mann was given to her, that was the very first big indication that Mann was not treating Ellie with good medicine.
11:34A doctor can prescribe a medicine if the patient so decides that they will abuse what they have, should the doctor be held responsible for it.
11:47I called, I sent faxes, I want to make an appointment.
11:51I want to talk to you about what you're prescribing Ellie.
11:55In his office, they did not respond to me at all, never.
12:00Never.
12:01I'm mad.
12:02I'm confused.
12:03I'm worried.
12:04Just what kind of doctor are you?
12:07It's devastating.
12:09Your lifeline's gone.
12:11You thought that I'm doing the right thing.
12:13This is a doctor and he's going to help us.
12:16And then he doesn't.
12:19To look at him, you'd never know what was going on inside.
12:22I could never imagine how far he could go.
12:30My brother expanded his practice to seven days a week.
12:37He would see anyone and everyone without any ulterior motive.
12:42He was one of the most successful doctors in the area.
12:46I would say even in a hundred mile radius.
12:49I think most people who go into medicine, it is to help people.
12:53He had a strong reputation and had developed a very large practice.
12:58My brother, he had thousands of patients.
13:00He made a lot of money, but that was not his primary motivation.
13:05And when it came to spending on himself, there were only two things.
13:09It was either cars or guns.
13:12This is my Galeel rifle.
13:16It says we keep all our swing cars in here.
13:19This is the fun car.
13:21He had everything from a Lamborghini.
13:30Benz.
13:31Porsche.
13:32Supra.
13:33Viper.
13:34Lexus.
13:35Narek 7.
13:36Ford GTs.
13:37Maxima.
13:39Shelby Cobra.
13:42Lexus with the boots on it.
13:45That's that.
13:48We had a trip planned.
13:52Ellie and a cousin were going to watch the apartments while we were gone.
13:57We landed in Las Vegas, and as soon as we got off the plane, my phone rang.
14:04Leo was right beside me, and I said, this is a cousin, and I think you need to talk to him.
14:10And I couldn't hear what Leo was saying, but I knew it was not good.
14:15He walks over and, you know, he's teared up and crying and tells me.
14:22They found Ellie in our apartment, and she had passed away.
14:30We lost Ellie that day.
14:34You know, a widow is a woman who's lost a husband, and a widower is a man lost his wife, but there's not a word for us.
14:55I don't know what it would be, but I think your heart actually breaks.
15:04I think it does.
15:06I know it's empty.
15:09A toxicology report reveals she has a lethal dose of opioids in her bloodstream, specifically hydrocodone.
15:25Over the next few months, the coroner notices an increase of overdose deaths in the community.
15:34We began to question the amount of pain medications that were being prescribed.
15:39We didn't know why they were getting prescribed and the ways they were getting prescribed.
15:43Investigators who look into these deaths collected evidence and noticed a pattern.
15:50A lot of the prescription bottles lead back to Dr. Mann.
15:55We saw that throughout the country during that time in particular.
15:59A lot of doctors found themselves making very quick money, a lot of cash money people would pay,
16:05and they developed large patient followings.
16:09And the grief, oh wait.
16:14The gray ones.
16:15I don't have to say that.
16:17I have to do it for the drama.
16:19My sister, Shelly, had just graduated high school when she first went to see Dr. Mann.
16:25Okay, this is interesting. Let's watch Shelly.
16:27Let's sit on the couch.
16:28Shelly was a very bright, talented child.
16:33She was a straight-A student.
16:35She played in the high school band.
16:37She was on the drill team.
16:39She was in acting classes.
16:41She loved public speaking.
16:43She was just full of potential.
16:45Do a couple of model walks or something.
16:47Yeah, I don't know.
16:49Gotta do that.
16:52Okay.
16:53Do you want to go to bed?
16:55No, don't go to bed.
16:57Shelly was very sweet, very innocent.
17:00Got out of trouble a lot.
17:03Got me into trouble a lot.
17:05I got into trouble with her.
17:07Because she would push my buttons.
17:10When Shelly was between 14 and 15, our parents got divorced.
17:14It was a pretty gnarly divorce.
17:16So for Shelly, that divorce really shook her foundation.
17:21I think it affected her a lot stronger than it did me.
17:30She started partying more and started drinking.
17:37She started experimenting with party drugs.
17:40But I just assumed that she was going through a phase,
17:44like most teenagers do, and that she'll grow out of it.
17:48But soon it was obvious that she had an addiction problem.
17:53She did go into rehab several times, but it just never stuck.
18:00As soon as things in life got difficult, she would go back to taking drugs and drinking.
18:10Shelly found out from her friends that it was easy to get pain medication from him.
18:16So Shelly began to see Dr. Mann, and he would prescribe her pain medication.
18:23Shelly has a drug problem, and that's a medical problem, in my opinion.
18:29Dr. Mann has a responsibility, if he's going to prescribe opiates,
18:33to set those boundaries and hold the patient accountable to the rate of use.
18:37To me, if they can't control that rate of use, he has an obligation to address that,
18:43either getting into a proper rehab facility or simply saying we've got to lower this down.
18:50On May 30th, 2002, my mother found Shelly in her bed unconscious.
19:03She couldn't wake her up.
19:06I was in shock, and I was scared to death that I was going to lose my little sister.
19:14And I felt powerless.
19:19The police came, went through her purse to see what she could have possibly taken to cause her to be unconscious.
19:26And there were so many pill bottles in her purse, it's a wonder that she didn't die in her sleep.
19:33They found Demerol, so she was arrested, and the judge ordered her to go to rehab.
19:41Demerol is a synthetic opiate.
19:43Giving Demerol typically is only done either in an urgent care situation, or if you're doing a painful procedure.
19:52As far as I'm aware, the only person she could have gotten something like that from was Dr. Mann.
19:59I mean, what kind of doctor is that? It's not a doctor, it's a drug dealer.
20:03The power that a doctor has when he becomes a drug dealer is no different than a pimp who sends their prostitutes out, you know, to make money.
20:11I think Dr. Mann put himself in the same category as a drug dealer.
20:17I don't think he intentionally wanted to kill anybody, but he didn't care if someone died if he was prescribing.
20:21I think that was not a concern to his.
20:24He had a great facade, absolutely great facade, but I really didn't know what was going on underneath.
20:32Psychopaths or sociopaths are really good at the mask.
20:37It's an art. They craft their persona.
20:41When she was questioned by the police, they asked her how she was getting so many prescriptions from her doctor.
20:49She said, I don't need health insurance. I go in every two weeks. I get a prescription.
20:55She then tells the police that they are trading sexual favors for drugs.
21:01Shelly told detectives that she would go into the clinic at the end of the day and Dr. Mann would give her a shot of Demerol and they would have sex.
21:20And Dr. Mann would give her more prescription pills.
21:30That kind of abuse of power is just sick and twisted.
21:36Anybody that would do that to girls, to women, is just evil.
21:47There were accusations of an inappropriate sexual relationship between Dr. Mann and multiple patients.
21:53Was he power hungry?
21:55Did he like having control and power over vulnerable people?
22:01Did that make him feel more of a man?
22:05I don't know.
22:07My brother is a very good person by heart.
22:13Very professional person as a doctor.
22:16Anyone can accuse anyone of anything.
22:20But are they true?
22:22These are just acquisitions.
22:23The power to take his patients' pain away was in his hands.
22:29You had a clinic full of drug-dependent and some addicted patients.
22:34And that's a pretty powerful thing to have over somebody.
22:37I know that he was making quite a bit of money off of all of these people.
22:42From a law enforcement standpoint, it was an anticipation of what's next.
22:47Detectives asked Shelly to wear a wire to get evidence for this case, but Shelly refuses to do so.
22:58Dr. Mann had the position of power, and it is embarrassing for a lot of women to step forward and say,
23:04this is what I did or what I became under the influence of these drugs.
23:07He was their provider.
23:11If they went against Dr. Mann, then they would no longer be able to get the drugs that they wanted, that they were addicted to, that he got them addicted to.
23:20Detectives tried to investigate Dr. Mann's medical clinic, but Dr. Mann's able to hire some of the best attorneys in Arkansas to defend him.
23:36To me, when a doctor doesn't want their clinic searched, it's kind of a red flag, because it's the easiest thing.
23:43You want to come search my clinic?
23:45Okay.
23:45I mean, if there's nothing there, there's nothing there.
23:47Why the concern?
23:49The police aspect of the case against him just stalls.
23:54I was on the pain committee for the state medical board.
24:08In the interview process, Shelly said that she was exchanging sex for drugs.
24:15Dr. Mann acknowledged the complaints, but said clearly he wasn't doing anything wrong, denied any inappropriate sexual contact with a patient.
24:23But he said that the allegations of sex for drugs, he just, he flat out denied those completely, that they were not true.
24:40I wanted to be there.
24:41I wanted to hear him.
24:43I wanted to hear his answers.
24:46I wanted some justice.
24:47I wanted him and whoever else to be accountable for Ellie.
24:55So he's trying to fight and preserve his reputation at that point.
24:59We're not far apart from each other, maybe six feet.
25:04And he was getting carried away, being questioned.
25:09And he just sneered at me.
25:12I'm stunned.
25:14They were not interested in what he had to say.
25:18They wanted to cut him down to size.
25:20People took advantage of my brother all his life, but it did not matter.
25:25If you wanted to steal from him, he would fight to the last.
25:30He's not going to be told that he's doing anything wrong.
25:33There's obviously that kind of arrogance that goes with it.
25:35And he's going to protect his business interests by pushing back on anyone who would dare come after him.
25:50Of those 22 patients, nine overdosed and five had died.
25:56They were able to spend his DEA license.
25:59He could still work in some extent, but he could not prescribe any narcotics.
26:03When Dr. Mann's licenses pulled, the overdose deaths in the area fall.
26:12There was a direct correlation between license suspension and lessening of the opioid deaths that were occurring.
26:19Dr. Mann wanted his DEA license back.
26:25He wanted to go back to doing exactly what he was doing.
26:27I think that he didn't want to give that up.
26:29I think showed that he loved that power that prescribing narcotics gave him over these patients.
26:35At that point, he files lawsuits at every angle saying it was discrimination.
26:40The people of Arkansas are very welcoming people.
26:43That was not the issue, but he's able to make that argument and win.
26:49So, not quite a year later, July 2004, he gets his DEA license back.
26:56I'm just stupefied and dumbfounded.
27:00Like, how could anybody think that this man would be responsible without license?
27:06I'm worried about my sister going back to see him, having access to more drugs.
27:13Dr. Mann, he's more popular than ever.
27:15He got basically free advertising from the publicity of his license being suspended.
27:19The patients were coming from all over the state to see Dr. Mann.
27:25But within two or three months, the patterns start emerging again with people overdosing and deaths.
27:37A lot of these patients didn't have the drug tolerance they had prior to him losing his license.
27:41They go back taking their usual dose, and it's killing them.
27:49Shelly went to visit my mother.
27:52There was some kind of argument, and Shelly punched my mother in the face.
27:58This is not normal behavior.
28:02The police came.
28:05They went through her purse to see what she might possibly have taken.
28:11They found so many prescription bottles in Shelly's purse
28:16that they actually charged her with intent to sell.
28:20She was arrested and went to jail.
28:23This is how many prescriptions Dr. Mann was writing her.
28:26When I found out that Shelly was going to jail, I honestly was relieved.
28:32This would give her a chance, a chance to get sober.
28:35When Shelly got out of prison, she seemed to be doing so much better.
28:52She was working.
28:54She had her own apartment.
28:55Things were looking hopeful.
28:57I think she really did try to stay sober.
29:04But as soon as things got difficult,
29:07it was just all too easy to convince a doctor and get a prescription.
29:14And that's what happened.
29:17At this point, I'm literally scared for her life.
29:20It's gotten out of control.
29:22I'm scared.
29:24I'm going to lose my baby sister.
29:25I got the phone call that I had been dreading.
29:37Shelly was in the hospital.
29:39And she had OD'd.
29:40And it was bad.
29:42So bad that I need to come now.
29:46Upon arriving, she was unconscious.
29:48And they said to say your goodbyes.
29:51There was nothing more that they could do for her.
29:53And this was it.
29:55This was it.
29:57So we had time to say goodbye.
30:01That's one of the hardest days of my life.
30:05Losing my sister.
30:08And I told Shelly, you know, I love you.
30:10We're going to let you go now.
30:13I'll see you soon.
30:14Shelly was only 24 when she died.
30:28I have a daughter who's 22 now.
30:30I think about, she's not much younger than Shelly was.
30:35It's just hard to imagine that.
30:37Which is lame enough.
30:39She was just a baby.
30:41She had her whole life ahead of her.
30:48You got responsible people who love their relatives, their friends, who see these overdoses.
30:54They want it stopped.
30:56They're sending more complaints back to the medical board, saying, you got to stop this.
31:01You know, you did for a period of time, and now he's back.
31:04This needs to stop before he kills somebody else.
31:15Dr. Mann has his license back.
31:17More overdose deaths are occurring.
31:20And we're getting more and more complaints about his practice.
31:23We knew we needed to stop his clinic.
31:25We needed to stop Dr. Mann as quickly as we could before more people got killed.
31:35The allegations are exactly the same allegations, just different people this time.
31:41Overdose deaths, nothing's changed.
31:45At that time, Dr. Pierce was the head of the Arkansas State Medical Board.
31:49He was the chairman.
31:49Dr. Pierce told Dr. Mann very forthrightly that he's been in practice for 18 years
31:57and has not had a single accidental overdose of his patients.
32:00And that what Dr. Mann was doing was not considered the practice of medicine.
32:06I know my brother, and I know what he's capable of.
32:11The last thing you would do would be to jeopardize the profession he loves
32:16and jeopardize the life of his patients.
32:25At that point, the Arkansas State Medical Board suspended Dr. Mann's medical license altogether,
32:31actually shuts down his clinic, shuts down his revenue source.
32:35I was happy and very relieved when his license was taken away,
32:39but, you know, that doesn't make up for the devastation that was left, you know, in his path.
32:46The blow to Dr. Mann's ego was significant.
32:52Dr. Pierce, the chairman of the medical board, had taken all the power away from Mann.
32:59He was angry about it.
33:00There was no humility to him.
33:02He took it very personally.
33:05Dr. Mann thought the decision of the board was a hostile act.
33:09On the morning of February 4th, 2009, Dr. Trent Pierce was leaving his home, heading out to his vehicle.
33:22He's going to work, take care of his patients, and goes out to his car.
33:27Dr. Pierce noticed a spare tire blocking his vehicle.
33:31Dr. Pierce's wife sees her husband just sitting there with his eye out of his socket, bloody.
33:57His clothes are burned off.
34:00The shock she must have felt was, there are no words for that.
34:05This was crazy news to me.
34:07This is not something that happens every day around here.
34:11A bomb?
34:12What is going on?
34:14The local police responded, as well as agents from the ATF.
34:21The investigators, when they arrived on scene, realized that the explosion occurred outside of the vehicle itself.
34:27They found parts of the spare tire, a string attached to the spare tire, and then upon closer investigation, they found the other end of the strings attached to a hand grenade.
34:40And a grenade is not designed to maim, it's designed to kill.
34:45We knew at that point it was an intentional act, and it was designed to cause death to Dr. Pierce.
34:54They immediately got him up, and they started with the abdominal surgery.
34:58They removed the shrapnel in his intestine.
35:02Miraculously, Dr. Pierce survives, but he has broken bones, loss of the left eye, burns over 18% of his body.
35:14I don't know how it didn't kill him.
35:16I mean, he's lucky.
35:17It's, it's, uh, he's, uh, it's amazing that he survived.
35:20I mean, that was definitely intent to kill.
35:23I mean, there's just no two ways around it.
35:25That wasn't like a scare tactic.
35:28Uh, it wasn't a firecracker.
35:30It was a grenade.
35:30The family is concentrating on his recovery, but Ferguson can't help but wonder why his prominent friend and neighbor,
35:38chairman of the Arkansas State Medical Board, would be victim to an intentional explosion.
35:43Is there a decision that he's been involved with that someone was unhappy with?
35:50I was in town, I was in Russellville, when I heard the news about the attempted murder,
35:56and I said, man did that.
36:00It was nobody else that would have done that.
36:05It was him.
36:05You know, if, if there was ever any doubt in your mind, is Dr. Mann crazy or not?
36:15This should prove to you that he is absolutely crazy.
36:19You know, normal, sane people don't go trying to blow other people up.
36:23We felt the need to go pay a visit to Dr. Mann, and he was very pleasant.
36:35Didn't show a deep concern for what happened.
36:38He was more interested in showing the investigators some of his prized possessions, his firearms.
36:44We asked him about where he was at the time of the explosion and prior to that, and he denied being in West Memphis.
36:55For the morning of the bombing itself, Dr. Mann said he was at home with his wife and had not left the house that morning.
37:02And we never could place Dr. Mann at the scene of Dr. Pierce's home.
37:07We had no evidence at that time to, to think Dr. Mann was the person involved.
37:13On March 4th, 2009, a city utility worker was doing inspection on a piece of property next to Dr. Mann's house.
37:32During that inspection, he found some freshly disturbed dirt.
37:37And as he looked at that dirt, he noticed a, a container that was partially buried in the ground.
37:43He saw a box containing 40-millimeter grenades.
37:50There were actually 98 grenades in that box.
37:53Once he uncovered and realized what he had, he immediately notified law enforcement who responded to the scene.
38:00These are the grades that were similar to what was used in Dr. Pierce's bombing.
38:08During the search of his house, we found an empty box that had lot numbers.
38:13Those lot numbers that were on the box inside the house were consistent with the lot numbers of the grenades that were found buried on the property next to Dr. Mann's.
38:22We knew then that Dr. Mann was intentionally trying to hide evidence.
38:27Now we've determined that, that we cannot trust anything that Dr. Mann has told us.
38:33The investigators looked inside a bathroom upstairs in Dr. Mann's house.
38:38And inside the shower stall was a spare tire.
38:44Who puts a spare tire in an upstairs bathroom?
38:47We were pretty confident that this tire is being used by Dr. Mann to practice building a device similar to what was used at Dr. Pierce's house.
38:56I'm sure he felt like he was above any kind of retribution.
39:01You know, he's above the law.
39:02During the trial itself, I saw Dr. Mann sitting there.
39:11He, he was very calm, quiet, seemed very confident in his defense of the case.
39:18In my opinion, he thought he was going to get away with, with what he did.
39:21Dr. Mann's defense was that the, the grenade was not meant to, to kill anyone or injure anyone.
39:29It was just meant to scare Dr. Pierce.
39:31That's a ridiculous defense.
39:34Obviously, it's a weapon designed to kill and inflict injuries.
39:38Not just one person, they're designed to kill multiple people.
39:40That's why, that's why the military uses grenades.
39:43So, to insinuate that this was only intended to, to hurt him and not killing, not only shows you a mindset, a, a warped mindset, but also is a, is a falsehood.
39:56And it's a falsehood that bared out with the jury's verdict.
39:59Randeep Mann abused his position of power, presenting himself as a, a caring, compassionate doctor.
40:19And he abused the trust that we just naturally would give a medical doctor.
40:25He may not be out of the world, he may not be gone, but at least he's not able to wield that weapon anymore.
40:37She was my heart. He just took my heart.
40:42And I still call him a monster. He's just a monster.
40:55Pastor Shermer, did you himself as above the law?
41:16After three dead bodies, they started seeing patterns.
41:20He did play God.
41:24Who can you trust if you can't trust a pastor?

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