- 6/8/2025
Hannah Einbinder ('Hacks'), Jessica Williams ('Shrinking'), Kathryn Hahn ('Agatha All Along,' 'The Studio'), Kristen Bell ('Nobody Wants This'), Michelle Williams ('Dying for Sex') and Natasha Lyonne ('Poker Face') join THR in Off Script With The Hollywood Reporter.
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00:00One thing I've started doing over the last couple of years, and I believe you've gotten a few of them,
00:04but if I see something I love, you send a voice memo.
00:07It's the best.
00:08It's on you, bitch.
00:10How dare you be so good in this show?
00:15Because I just feel better when I'm throwing it out there.
00:17So I'm like, if I see someone in a role I love, you are getting a voice memo from me that night.
00:24If timing is everything in comedy, these women have the precision of a Rolex.
00:30We've gathered six hilarious actresses to talk about their work and what makes them, well, tick.
00:36Kristen Bell.
00:40Hannah Einbinder.
00:43Catherine Han.
00:46Natasha Lyonne.
00:49Jessica Williams.
00:51And Michelle Williams.
00:54They're on the record, but maybe just a little off script with The Hollywood Reporter.
01:00Hi, I'm Lacey Rose.
01:02I'm so excited to have you all here.
01:04Let's get into this.
01:05And we're going to start with a question for everyone.
01:08Catherine once said...
01:09Well...
01:10It's...
01:11Don't worry, wait, wait, wait.
01:13Quote, my friends and I were laughing because a million years ago on my IMDb page,
01:18it said, Catherine Han, known for her over-the-top facial expression.
01:21Yes, that's true.
01:22Which had me wondering, what's the wildest or most amusing thing you've read about yourselves?
01:28That was pretty humbling to see that on my IMDb page.
01:31I kind of was sad to check myself.
01:33Known for her big face.
01:35Yeah.
01:36I love that.
01:38I mean, Harrison Ford did call you his Yoda.
01:40Yeah, he doesn't like talking about that, so that was weird that he said that.
01:44I was like, he said what now?
01:45But yeah, I've seen it where it's like, ooh, irreverent, millennial, take no, you know,
01:51take sassy style.
01:52Like, sassy is one that I used to get a lot where you're just like, oh my God, sassy.
01:56Natasha, I did see one about you that I felt like was super funny.
01:59Oh, good.
01:59I think it's better than mine.
02:00Please tell me.
02:00I think it was Maya who said, Rudolph, who said this.
02:03She's a hooker with a heart of gold minus the hooker part.
02:07Oh, that's funny.
02:08Yes, but I do accept cash in exchange.
02:11Maya knows that.
02:12At various points, it was, I won't say pimp because that's weird.
02:16Yes.
02:17Heart of gold, though.
02:18Heart of gold.
02:19What were you going to say?
02:20Without the hooker part.
02:21Yeah, without the hooker part.
02:22I do like to, you know, charge a guy.
02:25This isn't appropriate.
02:27But, you know, if somebody spends a night, I'm a virgin.
02:29But if they do, even if I'm like, I'm already in love with this person, I'm like, meh, leave
02:34a $2 bill, would you?
02:35Go source one.
02:36$2 bill.
02:37$2 bill.
02:38I think it sort of puts men in their place.
02:40Totally.
02:40You know what I mean?
02:40It's an exchange.
02:42You're paying them to leave, as you know.
02:44100%.
02:44I was going to say maybe a, because you know how net worth is the first thing that comes
02:49up on anybody?
02:50Uh-huh.
02:50Oh, God.
02:51I am susceptible to just clicking on it out of sheer curiosity.
02:55Like how you're doing?
02:56Just a measure of your, yeah.
02:57Yeah.
02:57And I'm like, I don't think that's true.
03:00Or I look at it and I think, well, it should be more.
03:04So then I have to call Maya and see if we can get any more gigs.
03:08Heart of gold.
03:09Heart of gold.
03:11I love that.
03:12It's fine.
03:13Normally I just like see like Jessica's feet.
03:15Like photos of her feet.
03:15Oh, wiki feet.
03:16Yeah.
03:17Nobody's asking about my net worth, I don't think, yet.
03:20I'm always like, well, I've spent a lot more money than I should have.
03:23If that's my net worth.
03:24Yeah.
03:25It's gone.
03:25Yeah, right.
03:26It's like, I got to do better.
03:27It's gone.
03:27Yeah.
03:28If you see a Kristen Bell type, a Natasha Lyonne type, an insert your name here type on a character breakdown,
03:36like, do you have a sense for whether or not you'll get it?
03:40What does it mean?
03:42I think for myself early on in Hacks, when Ava was kind of more all over the place,
03:48it was kind of like, messy, alcoholic, millennial bitch.
03:53That felt like kind of the like, she's a mess and everything's going wrong.
03:57Like that felt kind of the...
03:58That was the vibe.
03:59I don't know what it would be now.
04:00But I think that's pretty amazing.
04:03That's pretty amazing.
04:04That was like what people wanted me to do a lot back then.
04:06To me, it would be dependent on like what it's placed in, like what the script is, you know?
04:11Because if it's like a Kristen Bell type and it's a story about a family, it's like, oh,
04:15like maybe like a young quirky mom.
04:17But then if it's like, I don't know, a person who's...
04:20Probably quirky, because I keep going back to the word quirky.
04:22Like it's going to be like, oh, an older person who's dating, but she's kind of quirky, you know?
04:28For me, it'd be like, play this character 90% inside the lines and then like 10% all over here.
04:34Is how I interpret my vibe.
04:37Do you have a sense for what a Michelle...
04:39I don't know what I look like out there.
04:40I have no idea.
04:43To be perceived.
04:45Is that how you stay sane?
04:47Yeah, I guess.
04:51I don't, I really don't know.
04:53Like try not to take on like what somebody might say I am or am not.
04:59Yeah, I had to stop.
05:00Michelle's burner account is buckwild.
05:03So not on Instagram at all, but the memes.
05:06Yeah, I had to stop like trying to be a certain way in my acting and like especially comedy.
05:14And I wasn't really like working as much.
05:16And then I know for me with my choices, I try and do things as specific as possible so that nobody else could do that scene the way that I did it with those weird choices that I did.
05:27I can't worry anymore because if I'm self-conscious while I'm working, I'm not doing a good job.
05:32Like I can't, I don't want to see my face.
05:33I don't want to see it back.
05:35I don't want to, you know, I don't really need that much feedback.
05:37I just want it out.
05:38And then that's it.
05:39Yeah.
05:39Because for comedy, it's like you kind of have to be like...
05:43And not like a fake ugly face, but like, you know, when some girls are like, I'm ugly.
05:48It's like, no, you need to, like, you really need to go for it.
05:51Yeah, but you also like do come a point where you're trying to figure out if you're comfortable in the lane that you're in.
05:56Kristen, I feel like I heard you say at one point that your husband gave you sort of a piece of advice about this.
06:03She's here though, don't...
06:03Oh, and that's what I was going to say.
06:05Yes.
06:05Yes, I'll explain the story.
06:07So earlier...
06:08But it's fine.
06:08So, yeah, no, it's great.
06:10It's just embarrassing for me.
06:11But I guess that's why we're here.
06:13Good one.
06:13That's why I called you all here.
06:15Earlier on in my career, like, I don't know, probably like 15 years ago when I felt like I wasn't booking the things I wanted to book.
06:22But I'm going to also bleed that into the things people wanted me to book.
06:26Sure.
06:26And it was like, oh, lost another role.
06:28Okay.
06:29No, it's Michelle Williams again.
06:30That's...
06:30Okay, great.
06:31No, it's Michelle.
06:31Okay, it's going to be Michelle.
06:32It's going to be Emily.
06:33Great, perfect.
06:34Love it.
06:34Love those girls.
06:35So happy.
06:36And my husband was sitting in bed with me.
06:38He's like, you know what?
06:39Stop trying to drive in other people's lanes.
06:42You're not going to be Michelle Williams ever.
06:45But you have a lane on the highway and you can speed in it.
06:50So just do what you do and make your own lane.
06:54But you were the example name in that because you are like this goddess of the craft.
07:02And he was saying like, he was basically saying, not you in particular, but don't use a goal.
07:08Like, figure out something more internal.
07:10And it was when I really digested that.
07:13Like, oh, yeah, I'm just going to like do my thing and see if anyone likes it as opposed to try to be anything else.
07:18And guess what?
07:19It worked.
07:20It started working.
07:21Yeah.
07:21It is the only thing.
07:23It's like the game is like trying to pay attention to your lane when there's so many other funny people and great people.
07:30And it's like, for me, that's the only thing that worked is like, I just, oh, what about this actress?
07:35Because we all have actresses that are always in the conversation before.
07:40You know, that's our job.
07:41Let me make this very clear.
07:42I still want to be Michelle Williams.
07:43That has not gone away.
07:47Yeah.
07:47I just also like being Kristen.
07:49Yeah.
07:49Being Kristen's pretty great, too.
07:51Gosh, I don't think I have a lane.
07:52I don't think of it.
07:54Like, I just, it's such chaos.
07:56I just kind of like, I'm like, oh.
07:59I don't think of you as chaotic at all.
08:01I'm beginning to resent the word chaotic because I think it undermines.
08:05Oh, my God.
08:05I'm so sorry.
08:05What did we get into this one?
08:07It reminds me of the power of what we do, but I'm just saying that there's so much about
08:11you, like, myriad colors, infinite.
08:13Yeah.
08:14But none of them do I think of as chaotic.
08:16And you're so singular.
08:17You're so singular.
08:18Like, you're so, like, I mean, I'm obsessed with you.
08:21I've been trying to be cool, but, like, I get teary when I talk just because I'm feeling
08:25emotion, but you're so singular.
08:27Like, there's nobody like you, so it's just funny how we all see ourselves.
08:32Guys, there's no crying at the comedy junkie.
08:33I cry all the time, dude.
08:35I cry all the time.
08:36Kristen, I'm going to go.
08:37A little bit back in time, but you were cast in Frozen, and if I'm not mistaken, you
08:41pushed to have your character, Anna, be someone who you needed to see as an 11-year-old, as
08:48a 10-year-old.
08:49Yeah.
08:50Talk to me about what that was all about.
08:53What happened at 11?
08:55You don't have to tell us.
08:58I was, let's see, I was about 4'3", about 60 pounds.
09:03They thought I had a thyroid issue.
09:05I didn't.
09:05I was just a really slow developer.
09:07I think that when I booked that, I'd always wanted to be a part of Disney Animation.
09:13I obsessively watched those movies as a kid.
09:16I had always sang.
09:17It was like a dream come true.
09:19And I read the script, and I read the script, and it was great, but it felt like something
09:27I'd seen before.
09:28It felt like this beautiful formula that always works.
09:30And I guess what that story is, is I really pushed, because I thought, I don't want to
09:35play the princess with good posture.
09:37I don't want to play Sleeping Beauty or Snow White, because I loved them as a kid, but I
09:43couldn't really identify.
09:44I just, they were more like on a pedestal for me, and I wanted the girl that sat, I wanted the
09:49prince, the girl who had a princess crown on, but she sat like this, and she talked too fast,
09:53and she wore her heart on her sleeve, and she said things that were embarrassing, and then she
09:56backtracked, and she had accountability, and she loved everyone ferociously.
09:59And so that was what I was trying to add there, is like, can we make her the person that I
10:06really needed to see on the pedestal when I was 11?
10:10Does that mean, like, a little bit broken or fractured or a little bit insecure a little,
10:14and like that, but while taking over the world?
10:16For sure insecure, but in the way that, but not from any sort of, like, deep trauma, but
10:21just insecure in the way we all are insecure.
10:23Like, am I being accepted here?
10:25Can I try harder?
10:26All the things I felt like I was going through and still go through, a more, like, do I fit
10:31in kind of feeling, and someone who, yeah, just wasn't fitting the profile of that.
10:39So I guess my question, my follow on that is, for all of you or any of you, what are the
10:46subtle or not so subtle things that you push for in these characters that you play because
10:53it's something that you needed to see at any point in your life, and maybe it is right now?
10:58Well, buddy.
10:59Yeah.
10:59And I'll take it, folks.
11:00Take it.
11:00Take it away.
11:01Yeah.
11:02I will say, yeah, that, like, and I sit next to my freaking icon here.
11:08Ayo.
11:08Oh, my early queer.
11:10I really, I skated in on that one, but I'm into it.
11:12Yeah.
11:13I love it.
11:13I accept it.
11:14Like, my freaking queer icon over here, but, like, yeah, I think what Hacks has been able
11:20to do for bisexual representation is give, like, a vivid inner life and a reality to this
11:27character.
11:27Obviously, we know that when people write to their own experience, something is just far
11:31more lived in, and as a queer actor myself playing a queer character, I can, you know,
11:36add my zest.
11:38So, it's like, yeah, I mean, Ava, and, like, even in this season, like, there is a polyamory
11:43arc that is just not fetishized or the butt of a joke.
11:47It's all real.
11:48Wasn't cold.
11:49Yeah.
11:50Oh, my God, dream.
11:52But, yeah, like, it just, it's, you know, there have been a lot of amazing queer films
11:58and queer television that has predated Hacks, of course, but I do, it always, like, warms
12:04my heart when I get messages from people who feel like, oh, yeah, this is, like, an in-depth
12:08and non-fetishized representation of bisexuality, so it's nice.
12:14It's cool to be a part of, and I, too, reading it, like, even when I read the pilot, I was
12:18like, oh, wow, this is, like, immediately in the first episode, I feel it.
12:21I feel that this is a person I know.
12:23Do you feel like the, it's kind of a queer component of something that you've slowly laid
12:28in track for?
12:28It was always embedded because you didn't want it to feel, like, front-footed.
12:32You'd want it to just be embedded?
12:33Oh, certainly.
12:34It's always been there.
12:35Like, you know, we, a lot of our writer's room are writing to their own experiences.
12:40Like, everything that we, you know, we have, like, older comedy writers, like, older female
12:44late-night writers in the writer's room.
12:47Like, everyone who is telling a story has a person and an incredibly talented comedy writer
12:52to represent that lived experience.
12:54Like, that is such a key thing.
12:56I think it's, like, this great symbiosis where, like, because I live a queer existence,
13:02like, I am able to, like, lend various, like, well, I don't know if they would be, like,
13:07coming at the same time in the shower.
13:09Like, perhaps there's, like, one person is, like, topping.
13:13You know what I mean?
13:13Like, so that type of a thing.
13:15Super wonderful.
13:16We do.
13:17You know?
13:18Like, just things like that on set.
13:20Uh-huh.
13:20Uh-huh.
13:20Sort of.
13:21And then also the inner life stuff, too.
13:24And the whole character.
13:25Also that.
13:26It is much harder, I think, to talk, you know, in full depth about process comedically.
13:33Yeah.
13:34For some reason that maybe has to do with this kind of 11-year-old shame.
13:37But sometimes I see these and it's all the boys and they're like, and then what I had
13:41to do was, uh, for us, I think it's always a little bit, I don't know if it's a female
13:45thing or something, but you, you want to stay very humble in it as if it just kind of rolls
13:50off the duck back.
13:50But everything that everybody is saying really about, you know, embedding it with an inner
13:54life and a backstory and that kind of thing, it's worth noting that it does, you know,
13:59require just the same amount of gnarly work, but then pretending like you're not doing
14:03anything.
14:04Yeah.
14:04Sure.
14:04Interesting.
14:04Something that I'm assuming is the truth for all of us.
14:07I think, uh, absolutely.
14:08Are there things that, that, that any of you have brought to these, these roles because
14:14they were things that you needed to see?
14:17I certainly feel like a lot of it is aspirational.
14:20Uh-huh.
14:21Like I, I sometimes, a lot of the times feel like there's something I can say through someone
14:26else that I can't really say in my own life.
14:28Uh-huh.
14:28Like I remember thinking like I could only, when I was like a kid doing theater, I was like,
14:32oh, this is where I'm telling the truth.
14:34It's like, just like between like the curtain up and down.
14:37Um, so yeah, I feel like I learn, it feels like I can be, there's certain things I, I'm
14:42sure you guys feel the same way that I can like touch that I, maybe I'm not ready to in
14:46my own life or that, um, it looks fun to try.
14:50Yeah.
14:50Yeah.
14:51Well, you don't have to go home with it, right?
14:52Yeah.
14:53Right.
14:53I mean, I don't, I don't want to be as like lofty as being like between action and cut.
14:57It's the, I feel most alive.
14:59I heard someone for real say that one time and I like.
15:01I do.
15:01I do.
15:02I have that.
15:02I do.
15:03You have that?
15:03I do.
15:04I don't know how I feel about that yet.
15:05I feel like I'm, it's like the, it's like, I'm like surfing or something.
15:11Like I feel like I, I'm making myself laugh.
15:14I'm listening to the other person.
15:15I don't have my phone.
15:16Nothing else matters.
15:17This is what I get paid to do, which is awesome.
15:20It's like started doing this, like make believe sort of thing as a kid.
15:25I always knew I wanted to do comedy when I was a kid and like, now I get paid to do this
15:30thing and I'm so like in the moment and it is, it does, for me, it feels like a rush.
15:34Like it feels like.
15:35I would agree with that, but I think more mine has to do with like a, like an ADHD brain
15:41of like in real life, I'm like doing all the things at all the times and I can't focus.
15:45And when I come to work, I know that's my job.
15:47So what I can do is leave Kristen on back here and what Kristen's paying attention to
15:52is where her camera is and where her mark is and what the lines are.
15:57But I also don't have to think of what to say because that's also kind of hard for my
16:03brain and I stumble a lot.
16:05I'm like, well, I know exactly what I'm going to say.
16:07I know exactly where I'm going to stand.
16:09And so now I can just be, it's kind of what we were talking about, about how you fall asleep
16:12if you put an audio book on.
16:14Yeah.
16:14So part of your brain has something to do and I, that's why I feel super calm when
16:21I'm doing it.
16:21But also to speak to what you were saying, like when the curtain goes up, why you, why
16:26I at least sometimes would try things I wouldn't in my real life or say something more truthfully
16:30than I would in my real life is because you don't go home with any of the consequences
16:34of that character, right?
16:35Yeah, of course.
16:37Growing up, it's like, I feel like I took pieces of people.
16:39There's like really amazing black female comic actors, like Queen Latifah was amazing.
16:45Whoopi Goldberg, Maya Rudolph.
16:46Jumping Jack Flash.
16:48Like, are you kidding me?
16:49Like, are you, like, I mean, just these legends, but I, but it still wasn't quite right.
16:53So I had to take like, I take all those pieces of these people and I even take like, like
16:59Tracy Morgan.
17:00Like I take like, so Tina Fey, like all of it.
17:03And I just hear whatever's funny.
17:05It just sticks in my head and did as a kid.
17:07And I was like, whoever that weird kid is, like, it's all, it's all what I do now is
17:11just pieces of all those weird little things because I didn't quite see that when I was.
17:16I do that.
17:16Like they say that, whatever, you know, steal from the best or something.
17:19Yeah.
17:20But I'll find myself doing a, I just made it about me.
17:24Um, on, uh, Russian Doll season one, um, I also ate a raw egg yolk for breakfast cause
17:30she was hungover.
17:31That was a straight up Rocky rip.
17:33Uh, and then throughout, I would also do like a lot of, I think maybe Jenna Rollins is
17:39one I'm most guilty of stealing from just because we all know, like I love when she's
17:42like, you know, a woman under the influence and so on.
17:45But I, I think it's interesting the way we kind of like find these touchstones and we
17:50kind of go for them.
17:51Yeah.
17:51It's because you knew that they could go big or go home in a way and then they get
17:55embedded, you know?
17:56I think the thing that's so interesting though about comedy specifically is like what everybody's
18:00talking about is that you remember it because you don't want to remember, I don't want to
18:06remember the worst times in my life.
18:08My brain snaps back from them, but I want, but I can remember them if there was, if the
18:14memory is full and there was like an appreciation of the intrinsic humor in like the,
18:21circumstance, cause it's always there.
18:24Like you just have to like look for it and find it, but you want to, the thing that makes
18:28you laugh is the thing that imprints in your mind.
18:30It's the thing you want to go back to, you desire to go back to.
18:34So like when, like hearing you talk about like that moment that Jenna Rollins has and like
18:38these things, like they stick because they give us pleasure and like, it's the most, and
18:46that's the thing that we want.
18:47That's the total recall that we always want to have.
18:49Totally.
18:50And so I think like, Oh, so how can I bring, you know, where is the, like, where's like
18:56the light underbelly of this dark, dark beast that makes the thing honestly, to be honest,
19:00more honest, because it's always there.
19:03Like you feel it in life.
19:04Like it's the, it's a completeness, you know?
19:06I shall judge some more because they say that, you know, in childbirth, because it's so traumatic
19:11that the brain will sort of forget that experience such that you're able to have a second child
19:16just evolutionarily.
19:17And it's a little bit what you're talking about, about like the, the beauty of comedy
19:22is that you're not imbuing it with this kind of head trip in a way, even though we all know
19:26it's so hard to do.
19:27But I think it's a little bit what you're touching on is like, you want to have this
19:30like human memory of that, that was special.
19:33And just as soon as you color it with like, you know, trauma or baggage, or that was a heavy
19:37scene, you're kind of like taking away the gift.
19:40It's almost like, like you were saying, cause it is like a fever dream sometimes, like those
19:44scenes, as opposed to like a strictly comedy, comedy scene, but you're right.
19:48You're like, that's so, it makes so much sense to me.
19:51And sometimes you do forget the like really heavy stuff is kind of, at least I do.
19:56It's like, kind of, you feel like you come out of like a, oof, a fog, but you know, I just want
20:01to also like sidetrack and say, I don't know if you remember this, Michelle, but you were
20:05doing a play at Williamstown.
20:06Cherry Orchard.
20:07Oh, Cherry Orchard.
20:09Yeah.
20:09And I was just like, I remember.
20:11Ever heard of check off?
20:14But I just, I remember you also doing Dawson's Creek at the same time and being so just like,
20:20ah, that you were like still connected to all those parts of yourself as an actor, that
20:26it wasn't like one thing or the other.
20:27And I just remember being like, ah, that's like an aspirational thing for me too, to be
20:31able to be so curious about, about so many different avenues of expression and performance.
20:40I was like, anyway, it's a tidbit.
20:42But I'm guessing having both lanes was probably quite important to you, particularly in that
20:46moment.
20:47I think it's really great when nobody gives a shit what you're doing.
20:51It's so amazing when nobody cares and nobody's really watching and you're just like, well,
20:56okay, I'm just going to careen wildly though and just like sort of see what I'm all about
21:02and like, if I can, um, what I can do or what I can't do, what I'm like interested in, what
21:09I'm curious about and like where I want to go and, and nobody cares.
21:13Yeah.
21:14When was the shit?
21:15That's like the best fantasy of like, for us, like, you know, I love these guys.
21:20We've been knowing each other for, we go back.
21:22We go way back.
21:23I mean, like 20 years.
21:24Yeah.
21:25Yeah.
21:25I think to your point, what's a little bit hard now is everything feels so disposable onto the next.
21:30And so even if it's a, if it's a big hit, it's about awards and outfits, you know, it's
21:35about winning at life.
21:36And if it's not, it kind of falls into obscurity of like, ah, and yet it feels dirty.
21:41I think it's hard when there's so many shows and stuff that you're lucky if you're catching
21:45one or two.
21:46Right.
21:46I miss that.
21:47You know?
21:47I also think it's super important in our community, in any community, in any workplace, you,
21:54I think you should be absolutely haphazard with your compliments.
21:58I think the other person feels better.
22:00I think you feel better.
22:02You're just pushing out goodness into the world.
22:05And I don't mean that like to try to be heady, but like one thing I've started doing over
22:09the, like the last couple of years, and I believe you've gotten a few of them, but like
22:12if I see something, which is every night would try to take some time to watch TV with my husband,
22:18reconnect.
22:19If I see something I love, you send a voice memo.
22:22It's the best.
22:23It's the best.
22:23It's the best.
22:24It's the best.
22:24How dare you be so good in this show?
22:29Like you, I, I have to tell people because I don't want to contain it.
22:34I can contain it and I contained it for many years, but I just feel better when I'm throwing
22:39it out there.
22:39So I'm like, if I see someone in a role I love, you are getting a voice memo from me
22:43that night.
22:44I also feel like that on set too.
22:47It's like coming up from, I did like sketch and improv and from LA, there's like a lot
22:54of meanness and comedy and in scene partners.
22:56And there's like a lot of even guys that will use you as a punchline and there's clicks
23:02and there's like inside group, especially like the clicks are, they feel bad.
23:07And I hate that feeling of like, there's an inside group and an inside group.
23:10So I know when I'm shooting or work, especially in comedy, I'm like, no, I'm here.
23:14Let's, let's yes.
23:15And I'm here for you.
23:16How are you?
23:17And it makes the comedy come out better because you're giving goodness as opposed to trying
23:23to do a comedy scene.
23:24And the other person is kind of not open or warm and kind of stonewalling you.
23:29And so I feel like as like someone like on shrinking, I do a lot of support.
23:33And I feel like my character is like, I feel like my character is really good at going
23:38in and out with everyone in their relationships, but it's always the first thing.
23:42It's like, okay, how are you today?
23:44Let's do this.
23:45Like no, no dumb ideas.
23:47Let's do it.
23:47It's not fun to act with someone who's an island.
23:51Oh my God.
23:51And now that I'm older, like coming up, I had so many bad comedy teachers and mean comedy
23:55teachers, like dicks, like real dicks.
23:58That's so incongruous because comedy is supposed to make you happy.
24:01I know.
24:01And, and, and now that I'm their age, girl, but like now that I'm, now that I'm older
24:08past those teachers ages, I could not imagine being that kind of teacher or, or actor.
24:14I think we have an obligation to cheer each other on personally.
24:17I think that's right.
24:19I think that, uh, one of the gorgeous things about getting, uh, you know, older, like growing
24:24up in this business and, uh, life extension is coming.
24:26I'm going to send you all stem cells later.
24:28Um, but it's miraculous that you move from this kind of false narrative that I think is
24:33set up by advertising throughout industry for this young woman, this 11 year old, whoever
24:37it is that for some reason, women are supposed to be against each other.
24:40It's just empirically not true.
24:42What we really want to start doing is making it, uh, a more of a team sport and letting go
24:47of, you know, so long as one of us is winning, that means we're all winning because I need
24:52you guys in jobs, like in order for them to be understanding that this is the new aesthetic.
24:58It's, uh, so I think that that is a real game changer that I'm personally just so grateful
25:03for.
25:03It's so hard, especially if you're like black, there's like a million, million times
25:08more, especially for comedy, like white parts than there are black parts.
25:12And so there is this insane scarcity.
25:15So there's still like this, I always have to like, it's why I try and like make sure that
25:20my life is full because this business, especially if you do comedy, you're just like, wow.
25:26Like they're, they're not, we're not there yet for like people of color.
25:32It's really like, it, it does put us against each other.
25:38And it really does.
25:40And they'll be like, oh, this person, we're just going to go with this person.
25:43Or there's one person of color at the moment.
25:45And that person just gets casted in every, so you see, it happens all the time, but it
25:49is like, there's still, it's, there's just work.
25:53There's just work to be done.
25:53Yeah.
25:54It's like, for sure.
25:55It's bullshit.
25:55It's openism.
25:56It's openism.
25:56And I'm like, extraordinaryism.
25:58And it's just kind of like, hey, just like a talented actor here to help.
26:01And I think, I think part of it, like perhaps a solution is just like more people at the
26:06top who are able to make the decision.
26:08Like, I will say like on hacks, like, you know, having Paul and Lucia and Jen and having
26:13like a very queer and diverse writer's room and like feeling like those are the people
26:17who hold the narrative.
26:19Like, those are the people who create the characters, who cast all the best guest star
26:25parts on hacks are women.
26:27They are almost all women.
26:28Maybe there's one man.
26:30Like it is, you know what I mean?
26:31Especially like to what Hannah was saying earlier about like working, like also as a queer
26:37person on in your character and part, it's like working as a black person in story, like
26:42always the story is first and then improv, coloring within those lines on the day.
26:48And our set, luckily that works for our show.
26:51It's not like every show, but hell yeah.
26:53I'm like trying to, I always learn the lines and then I come in with like five different
26:57ideas about, and then there's the other person.
26:59That's also that.
27:00It's also, I feel like I love the shift from this, you know, when I was doing comedy a
27:05long time ago, the movies were, it was all about alts.
27:09So like you would, it would just be the camera still on you.
27:12And then they would be shouting stuff out at you or you would be like in this panicked
27:17to come up with stuff that really wasn't actually connected to the scene.
27:22That drives me crazy because don't you feel like after that started, then we hit a point
27:27where alts became so exciting that everyone was like, we need to try so many alts.
27:36And I would be like, that's so interesting that you say that.
27:38I kind of find it funny the way that it's reading.
27:41What if we just made it like this?
27:42Why am I not getting writer's credit if I'm improvising?
27:45But there are some like stepbrothers lines and stuff that I feel like you did.
27:49Oh yeah, we improvise.
27:50That whole thing was basically.
27:51And were completely brilliant and part of pop culture to this day, are they not?
27:56But I can only, it's interesting.
27:57I don't know if you guys feel this, but I'm not, I never did sketch.
28:00I never did like.
28:01Fair, fair.
28:01So it's, for me, it's if, if it's rooted in something that can get behind, then I can't
28:06just be like, oh, contact lens.
28:08Right, that's the key.
28:09That's what I'm not getting the part.
28:10That's actually the sequel to contact is just Jodie Foster looking around for a contact lens.
28:15No, no, no.
28:16Contact lens.
28:17But at the height of wanting alts and improv, I feel like everyone got super excited about
28:22going, oh, a contact lens in the middle of the scene.
28:25And I always felt insecure about saying like, I, I'm here for anyone trying anything.
28:31Do you think that raises the stakes or drop puts, is the foot, is our foot still on the
28:36gas for the, the scene if we divert to the contact lens thing?
28:40And I don't, you don't ever want to poo poo anyone's idea, but I feel like the way that
28:44the only way it's worked best for me or the way that I like it best is like how Mike
28:49sure works is where the alts come in a, the form of what they call a candy bag on the
28:54day.
28:55So like you get your sides and then you'll get a little piece of extra sides.
28:58And those alts are only because there was an argument in the writer's room about which
29:02one was funny.
29:03Oh, so if they could not decide what the funniest one was, then you go, fine.
29:07Okay.
29:07Put down all three.
29:09We'll see if they'll do all three.
29:10And then, you know, you have three, like a plus jokes.
29:13It's not like who can find something and that feels a little bit like wild.
29:18And yeah, it depends on the set.
29:20It's like, I don't, I don't mind them.
29:22I'll just be like, uh, let's see what comes out.
29:24It's what I do.
29:25Okay.
29:26Let's see what comes out.
29:27I love the shift from that into this more like kind of gnarly on the razor's edge, not
29:34just like joke, punchline joke.
29:36Like, I feel like that's a lot of, I don't want to speak for everybody, but that's when
29:41I look at this table.
29:42I see like, it feels really gnarly and complicated and a lot of like other stuff coming into it
29:49that's not just, um, one or the other.
29:52It's like the experience feels like much more realized.
29:57Like more dimensions.
29:58Yes.
29:59One dimensional.
29:59Like, this is a comedy.
30:01Here's the setup.
30:01Here's the joke.
30:02Here's the setup.
30:03Here's the joke.
30:03And the show is end.
30:04But we're also talking about very female centric comedy, which is why it's like allowing for
30:09this kind of expansion.
30:10I'm curious in the choices you make, how your own sort of family and world factors in at
30:17this stage.
30:18I think that what I'm beginning to learn in adulthood is that it's never okay to bring
30:23that kind of like personal backstory of like, this morning was crazy.
30:27Uh, or am I meeting this person later for tonight?
30:30Like to try in any way possible to compartmentalize those two things because I love the work.
30:35Like I love showing up with that.
30:37That's a maturity.
30:38I think.
30:39And I also feel like the, how the scramble or the panic starts to like, I always think
30:47of like the space shuttle with all the shit attached to it.
30:49And as it's taking off like stuff, like the unnecessary stuff starts to fall off.
30:53It's menopause for me, but I do think there is like a prioritizing of, I don't, I, it's
31:02interesting.
31:02Like, you know, I played the, I played a witch, which was like exactly where I was supposed
31:07to be at that particular age in my life.
31:09I love it.
31:09And it was like, very felt like, okay, this is like where I was like pregnant.
31:14I was like quirky best friend, pregnant woman, horny pregnant woman, witch.
31:18So I'm curious to see an amazing story.
31:22Classic story.
31:23It's classic.
31:23It's a fabulous art.
31:26That's kind of a little bit different of a, of a perspective and everyone to each their
31:32own.
31:32But like, I can't physically operate in the world if I don't have some part of the morning
31:40or evening with my family.
31:42Like I am so rooted in that life.
31:46And I like, I can explain it best as I say, like, I like being an actress, but I love being
31:51Kristen.
31:51And if I had to choose between the two, it is a no contest.
31:56I would quit this career in a heartbeat.
31:58But I, but I know that about myself.
32:00And about 15 years ago, well, I guess 12 years ago is my oldest is 12.
32:05So I was like, what if I just tried to see if I could leverage?
32:09And I was like, you know what?
32:10I'm not going to shoot outside of LA anymore.
32:12I'm just not.
32:13There's stuff that shoots here.
32:14And to be honest, I don't care how good the director is or how good the script is.
32:18I don't, I don't.
32:19You won't do it.
32:20I personally, me, not everybody else.
32:23I wouldn't care enough.
32:24Right.
32:24I'm not trying to do the Revenant 2 in wherever they shot that.
32:28Yeah, we got big money for you on that.
32:30I don't, I don't need to do that.
32:32I don't, it doesn't, it wouldn't fulfill me.
32:34So I said like, no, don't even send me anything if it's not shooting in LA or if it's not early
32:38enough in the development that I can say we have to shoot in LA.
32:41And I've been really, really lucky, but that does bleed in a little bit.
32:46I mean, you know this also because we've worked together, like it bleeds in a little bit to
32:49the, when I get there in the morning, I will absolutely compartmentalize and shut that off.
32:53And I'm never trying to bring baggage unless it's happy, playful, fun stuff that would
32:57excite us to set.
32:58But then at the end of the day, I'm not really here for let's do a couple more just for us.
33:05If we've got it, I need to go home and reconnect with my family because otherwise I can't come
33:10in tomorrow.
33:11Right.
33:11I don't, I don't know.
33:12Those bookends have to be intact for me.
33:14I wish because I was away from my kids for that amount of time that there is still a like,
33:19oh, like being away from my son, like when he first got his driver's license and being
33:24like across the country and like that kind of stuff is, but.
33:27But I think that's part of a very important part of the female conversation that is often
33:33left out because we can be in these round table situations and we can talk about how
33:37awesome this career is and all the hard work we do to get here and stay here and, and have
33:43a career with any sense of longevity.
33:46But what's not said out loud a lot is like, what are the other components that allow you
33:51to do that?
33:51And for me, it's that it's saying no to a fair amount of things because it won't,
33:57it won't work.
33:58My brain won't function and it's okay to prioritize your social life and your family
34:03life and your life as a human being, because if you don't have all of that, what are you
34:10even pouring into the acting?
34:12Sure.
34:12I think performers and actors who might be watching this or like, you know, getting clues
34:17about how to succeed.
34:19I think it's really important for them to hear, like have a full life as a human being.
34:23Otherwise you don't know how to act like a human being when you're in front of a camera.
34:27I don't think it's said as much.
34:30Again, this is 11 year old Kristen, which you want to be here.
34:32And also there's seasons, like sometimes you just got to grind.
34:35Yeah.
34:36There you go.
34:36There's seasons, like we're all in different points in our career, like really, like, and
34:41so I'll stay, I'll stay for alts and I'll stay and get the shit done, but I also don't
34:45have kids yet.
34:46Like I've gotten to that point in my life, but like there's seasons for grinding.
34:50I hope to go to grad school at some point, you know what I mean?
34:54I was like, hell yeah.
34:55What do you want to study?
34:56What do you want to study?
34:57I would like to go to grad school.
34:58I would like to study perhaps environmental science.
35:01Huh?
35:01Good.
35:02Michelle, this was something.
35:05Yeah, baby.
35:06Dying for Sex was a show that initially they were talking about LA, you weren't interested.
35:10You said, quote, it wasn't necessarily the thing that I saw myself doing.
35:15I'm a mom.
35:15I got all these kids.
35:18I'm going to do a show about what?
35:20So tell me what you were actually scared of.
35:23Well, the only reason I get these cards is because she won't work on the East Coast.
35:28That's the best joke you've made ever.
35:30So thank you for being such a dedicated mother.
35:35But tell me, what actually was the fear in this one?
35:40It's not that for me.
35:41It's really not.
35:42It's actually like the clearing of fear.
35:45Like that's just something for life.
35:48And that's just not something.
35:49I just never know what's going to happen because I don't create my own material.
35:52I'm in like a patience game with myself.
35:55Like how long can I wait?
35:56Does this need to be said?
35:57Does this need to be said right now?
35:59And does this need to be said by me?
36:01And that's kind of like, that's my sort of criteria.
36:04And you have to wait a long time if you're not talented enough to make your own material,
36:08which I'm not.
36:08But I highly doubt it, buddy.
36:10I've known you a long time.
36:12I just sit and wait.
36:14And so when this came up, I wouldn't say that I would have, it's not what I would have prescribed for myself.
36:19But I knew immediately that it was where I was going to go and it was what I wanted to do.
36:26It's just I couldn't have designed it myself.
36:28I also imagine this is one where having an intimacy coordinator was an absolute godsend.
36:35I mean, you are trying to figure out how to fake six orgasms.
36:39I'm taking words from interviews you've done.
36:41Fake those?
36:43She would never.
36:46Is it a full McGillicuddy on the outside?
36:49No, you don't see the, I mean, you don't, like there's no, you mean like a, did it happen?
36:53I mean, I'm a never nude.
36:54I've tried.
36:56Nobody wants it.
36:57But you just mean that emotionally because it's about sex and orgasms and that kind of thing.
37:02You know the thing that you really do need, though, is like a supportive family.
37:05Because I'm like, I'm fine to do this kind of material.
37:09I'm committed to it.
37:10I'm like, my, it's got its hook in me.
37:15And you really, you do need to have like a husband and a, I mean, if you're in a partnership and you have children,
37:20like you need their full and unwavering support to be able to go and do these things and to say,
37:27yeah, this is something that we're working on as a family.
37:30Because I think when you, when you do something, when you like take time away from your family,
37:33the other people in your family need to sort of step up and like fill your shoes a little bit.
37:37And so they have to like believe in what you're doing to be able to rise up and fill the space that's voided for, you know, that period of time in shooting.
37:49And so I'm lucky to now have this like place that I can jump from.
37:55And your daughter also was, your oldest daughter was, was one of the people who said like, please go do this.
38:01Excited specifically about.
38:02She said, I'm glad it didn't come out while I was in high school.
38:04I'm glad it came out while I was in college.
38:06Fair enough.
38:06Um, uh, yeah, but she's, you know, she's a different generation than how we grew up.
38:12Yeah.
38:12And so she didn't have to like fight for this insistence to, to be expressive and expansive and messy.
38:22She's just there.
38:26She's just there.
38:28How old is she?
38:29She's 19.
38:29Oh my gosh.
38:30Whoa.
38:31Yeah.
38:31She's 19.
38:31What did that happen?
38:33I don't know, but she, um, yeah, so there, yeah, it's, I, I, I kind of think of them all
38:40as like real family projects.
38:43I love that.
38:44Catherine, I think at one point, did you, did I read about you having a conversation with
38:47your son when he was around 13 or so, where you said like, please don't Google me?
38:54Is that, am I remembering that correctly?
38:57Good luck.
38:57My, my, the body of, I, I've been nude in a lot of stuff.
39:02Uh-huh.
39:02Well, and I, thanks.
39:05By the way, thank you.
39:05Thank you so much.
39:06I never get this affirmation.
39:09Family first.
39:10Family first.
39:11Exactly.
39:12Um, and it's always, you know, it's never felt like it has not been necessary to say,
39:20and it's never been something that I've been like, I didn't know going into it.
39:23Um, but definitely my son, uh, or my kids, whatever.
39:28They, we have a good separation of church and state.
39:31Like the stuff that I do usually is not stuff that they would watch unless it's like a big
39:36comedy, whatever.
39:36But we have a pretty great, we don't talk about my work.
39:40Uh-huh.
39:40Like we don't really like, when I'm home, I'm mom.
39:43They make fun of me relentlessly.
39:45It's exactly what they should be doing at teenagers.
39:46Yeah.
39:47Um.
39:48But some of those early comedies, presumably their friends, their friends watch.
39:51Stepbrothers, I mean, my son told me when he was like 15, he went into a big party.
39:55Uh-huh.
39:56And he went into a room where a bunch of kids were standing around watching Stepbrothers
39:59and he said, Mom, I just walked out the door.
40:02But he was like, I just turned and walked out.
40:05But Catherine, I feel like you're such a heavy hitter.
40:07I just, as a performer, that I, I haven't seen all your nude work.
40:11Maybe I could get a supercut later.
40:13Yes, I have one.
40:13But I think of you more as like, uh, Julianne Moore, like flying across her art space with
40:18the Merkin.
40:19That to me is sort of like a third category.
40:22I think so too.
40:23And so I always think that when you're doing it, it's a little bit more in that pocket.
40:27Yes.
40:27It's less like, hey baby, come check it out.
40:30No, that's never been my currency, eh?
40:32I feel like, and I.
40:34Know your lane, see?
40:35This is a good spot.
40:36100%.
40:36It's like, it's not for, it's just to show, it's just what a human woman body.
40:42It's super liberating.
40:43It's like in there.
40:44Yeah.
40:44I did more nudity this season than I have.
40:47And I have found it really, yeah.
40:50Yeah.
40:51I found it really empowering and like liberating.
40:53Yeah.
40:54I also do look to actresses who have done it and I feel like, um, like they're cool for
41:00doing it.
41:00I don't know.
41:01It has made, it has, it has like made me feel, um, a lot just better in my, in my body.
41:08Is it about like feeling laid bare around something that you're not holding behind?
41:12I think it's just like taking away this puritanical socialization that we all have received as women.
41:19Like the idea of being shirtless for like, I, I, I really think we're going towards a reality
41:26in a society where like the female form is, um, just like normalized.
41:33Like, I think that like this, this thing, like why?
41:36Why?
41:36Well, actually why?
41:38There's such a build up.
41:39Actually why?
41:39Right.
41:40Because then you do it and you didn't die.
41:44Right.
41:44Nothing happened.
41:45You know, it's like, we're just like, we're just animals.
41:48It's people, man.
41:49It's like, it's like, I feel, I feel that that has been like just, and it only, it deepens
41:55like my, my comfort with myself and just being like, okay, all of my friends have like seen
42:00me undressed and like nothing is different and we're cool.
42:04And now that's out there.
42:05I'm warning my parents.
42:07Like don't, but you know, other than that, it's like, cool.
42:10We're like, well, but it doesn't matter.
42:12Right.
42:12If it's in like a male lens or for some purpose, that it's kind of like, you could shoot it,
42:18you can shoot it safely.
42:19It's a tethered to character, not to fantasy.
42:22Yeah.
42:22And then justify it.
42:23Yeah.
42:24I mean, then it's super cool.
42:25Yeah.
42:26I think the only times I've ever done it has been with a female creator director.
42:30Totally.
42:30So it doesn't feel like that outside, like, you know, that outside gaze looking at something,
42:37like judging it.
42:38It just feels like the experience of it.
42:42And we had no, the Wiki feed equivalent of like a freeze your nips.
42:46What's it called?
42:46What?
42:47Free the nipple.
42:48You know, you know, that website or whatever.
42:50This is nips?
42:51Wait, the nipple, what?
42:53Is it a nipple tracker?
42:54No, it's the one that we use.
42:55It's the nipple.
42:55They show you all the naked people in freeze frame?
42:57Yeah.
42:58It's like, yeah.
42:59It's like, it's like just a strange tattoo.
43:00I don't know it by heart, but I know you need a concept.
43:02It's a nip.
43:02It is.
43:03It's just like nakedstuff.org.
43:05Like, yeah.
43:05Oh, gosh.
43:05Dot edu dot com.
43:06Actors naked.
43:07Where it's just like screen grabs of like everybody.
43:09Because really what you're doing is giving people the right to go into that website and
43:14finds it all, which is like, I don't know, like, you know, serious people.
43:18Like, you know, you got one move here, one move just a little bit there.
43:20Like, nobody wants to play that fucking game.
43:22We talk a lot in these forums about sort of what it takes to get into these characters
43:26and that process.
43:27What's the thing that you guys do to feel normal again?
43:31To feel, to get out of it and feel like you again?
43:34What are your things?
43:35I can easily, easily walk into my house, get ignored by my children, ask them how their
43:41day was, have them roll their eyes, and instead under their breath just say, what's
43:46for dinner?
43:47Yeah.
43:47Like, the grounding of being on set and having someone go, do you need a water?
43:54And I'm okay.
43:55Thank you so much.
43:56The, like, the etiquette and the politeness of feeling like a queen and going home and
44:01having my kids be so brutal is absolutely what I need to ground me again to go, I gotta
44:07get the fuck out of here.
44:09I also think the older I get, the more I'm allowing myself the luxury of taking time off.
44:15We like going to, like, Machu Picchu or, like, we love getting out of anything that is...
44:20I like hearing that for you because I've known you for a very long time and you work more than
44:24anyone I know.
44:24Oh, I'm starting to really enjoy not...
44:27I like this for you.
44:28Han.
44:28But this is, but this is a, this is a question when you're saying, I'm, because I feel like
44:33I'm so one track, like, actor for hire that when I hear, like, you talk or, it's like,
44:40I don't, how do you, how do you, how do you take care of all of it?
44:46Like, I don't understand how brains work like that.
44:48Yeah.
44:48How, like, you can be here and then here and then here and feel so confident in every
44:54avenue.
44:55Like, to create something?
44:56Yes.
44:56I remember our buddy, uh, Amy Poehler did that Lucille Ball documentary and it was all
44:59about if you want to get something done, ask the busiest person you know.
45:02Yes.
45:02I think there's something to that of just, uh...
45:05Like, the more you do it, the more it happens.
45:08Kind of.
45:08Or just, like, the more, I mean, you just have, like, you know, 10 different FDXs in Google
45:12Docs and kind of these are the different projects and then time does its own thing where without
45:16putting any pressure on anyone of, like, we've got to get this out because we're in trouble.
45:19Yeah.
45:20It's more just, like, it'll kind of start naturally shaping.
45:22Love it.
45:23All right.
45:23But it is hard, like, having all those tentacles because I miss that.
45:27They're, like...
45:27Yeah.
45:27...a two-hour fitting for my outfit or something.
45:31But it is really special because I just feel like we're at that age of, like, we want
45:34to be doing...
45:35Yes.
45:36...you know, more of our own, even if they fail.
45:38Like, it's kind of fun or somebody else can come punch it up, but...
45:41Do you ever shut down brain-wise?
45:42Like, can you compartmentalize in a way that you're, like, because your brain is blowing
45:48my mind?
45:49Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, you know, it's changing, but I think part of it is just the
45:56expertise of not over-personalizing things.
45:59A light turn here.
46:00What's the role that strangers want to talk to you about most?
46:03They're like, are you waitress number four?
46:06That was so dropped in that I felt like the weight of the tray was, like...
46:09It was perfect.
46:10It was perfect.
46:10Did we go to high school together?
46:14What's the part for you?
46:15I would say it would be a combo of, for a long time, Jen Barkley from Parts and Wreck,
46:20and I was not in that many episodes, but people freaking love that show.
46:24And then it's Agatha, The Witch.
46:28Yeah.
46:28For me, Daily Show, I get a lot of that.
46:31Jon Stewart Show.
46:32Oh, so good on The View Show.
46:33Jon Stewart Show.
46:35Shrinking, this Love Life season two, and The Bear.
46:38You get everything.
46:39And The Bear, which I'm not on.
46:40Which you're not actually on.
46:42Do you, how do you respond to that?
46:43Oh my God.
46:43Everybody says I'm in the bear.
46:44How do you respond?
46:45I just go, not me, but thank you so much.
46:48I'm on a different one, but thank you.
46:50I get that all the time.
46:51Well, I guess if I had to say, like, overall, it's either Veronica Mars or Sarah Marshall.
46:56But I also think that's because the name was in the title.
46:59Sure.
46:59Because no one can remember the title of the show I'm on now, and so they just go, I watched
47:05you.
47:05I watched your show.
47:07Your show.
47:08And I politely go, thank you so much.
47:10I'm glad you like it.
47:11But yeah, it's usually one of those two.
47:13What about you, Michelle?
47:14I'm a clean split between Wendy and Lucy and Dawson's Creek.
47:18It's just two very different, like, walks of life.
47:21But, like, those are the only, those are the two.
47:24Wendy and Lucy, forget it.
47:25What about you?
47:26Definitely.
47:27I, I, I, Hacks is...
47:28What do they say?
47:29Uh, what do they say?
47:30Are you the annoying girl from Hacks?
47:32Do they still say that?
47:33No, that was just season one.
47:34That was season one.
47:35Okay.
47:36Um, they just, people are nice.
47:38It's, like, usually, like, you know, gay people who are, like, all right.
47:42But, um, yeah, they're, well, they're more so, like, absolutely, you know.
47:47So, it's, it's, like, I would say, Hacks, I've been really pleased to get, um, more people,
47:52though, being, like, I saw your Max special.
47:55It was so good.
47:56It was so good.
47:57Um, like, yeah, my, it's just, like, uh, it's been nice to hear people watching my stand-up.
48:03But, yeah.
48:04Yeah.
48:04Yeah.
48:05Um, mostly Hacks.
48:06What about you, Natasha?
48:07For sure, Rational, it's a show I created with, uh, Amy Poehler and Leslie Hedlund.
48:11And, uh, it's really, like, my, uh, baby opus.
48:13Uh, I think that, that shows a thing also that I can't do.
48:17I feel most connected to fans when they talk to me about, because I'm, like, oh, this
48:20is a real simpatico.
48:21Like, you don't have to bring this one up.
48:23Uh, Poker Face is fun to talk about, but it's a little bit more, like, yeah, I know, crazy
48:27guest stars.
48:28But I do want to kind of take a decade, which myself, sometimes, I guess, I see people, like,
48:33I really admire, like, uh, Reda Gerwig or Jordan Peele, and they really somehow managed
48:36to extricate themselves, focused on one thing at a time.
48:39And I do have a dream of, like, just allowing, like, just allowing myself that shot and seeing
48:45what comes after that, you know?
48:47Um, what's the most used, uh, emoji on your phone?
48:50Emojis are fun.
48:51I'll say it.
48:52Emojis are fun.
48:53They are fun.
48:53They're really fun.
48:54They convey a lot more than words sometimes.
48:58Really?
48:59I overuse one in particular that I would prefer.
49:02Eggplant.
49:03A hundred percent.
49:04Eggplant.
49:04Great fighting.
49:05If you were to be, like, let's meet at all time at noon, here's what you're going to
49:10get from me.
49:11Eggplant.
49:11And you're going to know exactly what it means.
49:14It means I'll be there and I love it.
49:15Oh, my God.
49:16See?
49:16I'm so glad I asked.
49:17Probably just this.
49:19Oh, okay.
49:19Yep, yep, yep.
49:20I love that.
49:20Are you a big surfer that's rock and roll and this is surfing?
49:23No, but I'll also do a surf.
49:24It's like, call me.
49:25Yeah.
49:26What's yours, Sam?
49:27You know, mine's a heart.
49:29Just a heart.
49:29Which color?
49:30Is it?
49:30You know, it's blue.
49:32That's nice.
49:33Blue's pretty.
49:33Yeah, I feel like just generally the world, yeah, just what the world needs now is love,
49:39sweet love.
49:40And I just made that up.
49:41See, Angel, you are a writer.
49:43Just now, yeah.
49:43Does anybody do the green and pink heart?
49:47Because since Wicked came out, that's used almost as much as my eggplant emoji.
49:52I go double flames a lot and I'm not sure why.
49:55I'm a little bit over it.
49:57You'll also drop a hundred, the one hundred one.
50:00Oh, yeah, one hundred.
50:00And I am a big surfing emoji person.
50:03I'm like, hey, what's up?
50:05You're surfing the web.
50:06Congrats.
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