जेव्हा शशी थरुर यांना त्यांच्याच मुलानं कडवट सवाल विचारला

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00:00That shouldn't be allowed. This is my son.

00:04Ishan Tharoor of the Washington Post.

00:07Definitely asking a question in personal capacity.

00:09And mostly to say hi before you go off to your next engagement.

00:13Raise the mic.

00:14Mostly to say hi before you go off to your next engagement.

00:18I'm curious though, on this tour you've been on, various countries in the Western Hemisphere,

00:22have any of your government interlocutors asked you to show evidence of Pakistan's culpability in the initial attack?

00:30And what do you say to the repeated Pakistani denials of having any hand in the initial attack?

00:35Okay. Well, I'm very glad you raised this, Ishan, though I didn't plant it, I promise you.

00:38This guy does this to his dad.

00:42Very simply, no one had any doubt.

00:45And we were not asked for evidence.

00:46But media have asked.

00:48And so you are speaking for your tribe in that in two or three places media asked this question.

00:54Let me say very clearly that India would not have done this without convincing evidence.

00:59But there were three particular reasons I want to draw your attention to, all of you.

01:03The first is that we've had a 37-year pattern of repeated terror attacks from Pakistan accompanied by repeated denials.

01:12I mean, Americans haven't forgotten that Pakistan didn't know, allegedly, where Osama bin Laden was

01:16until he was found in a Pakistani safe house right next to an army camp in a cantonment city.

01:22That's Pakistan.

01:24Mumbai attacks.

01:25They denied having anything to do with it.

01:26One of the terrorists was captured alive.

01:28His name, his identity, his address in Pakistan.

01:30Everything was revealed.

01:31Under interrogation, he told us where he was trained, what was done.

01:34The U.S. intelligence, as well as ours, recorded the chilling voice of the Pakistani handler

01:40giving minute-by-minute instructions to the killers in Mumbai, telling them where to go.

01:46And they were monitoring Indian TV and saying, there are people hiding on the third floor of that hotel.

01:49Go and shoot them there.

01:50This kind of thing is going on.

01:51Your sources recorded this, too.

01:53So we know what Pakistan is all about.

01:57They will dispatch terrorists.

01:59They will deny they did so until they're actually caught with red hands.

02:04That's the first.

02:05So I agree you're going to say, but that's circumstantial.

02:07Sure, second point, the moment this happened, within 45 minutes or so of this happening,

02:13the terrorist attack, a group called the Resistance Front claimed credit.

02:17Who are the Resistance Front?

02:18They're a well-known proxy front of the Lashkar-e-Taiba, a banned organization listed by the United Nations,

02:25listed by the U.S. State Department, which enjoys safe haven in the town of Muridke in Pakistan.

02:31The resistance front, evidence about the Resistance Front and its doings,

02:35was presented by India to the U.N. Committee on Terrorism in December 2023 and repeatedly again in 24.

02:43But the problem was, of course, Pakistan, too, is a member of that committee.

02:47The Resistance Front was not listed by the U.N., but its identity was known and publicized.

02:53These people then claimed credit within a time span.

02:58There were no media present when these killings took place.

03:00Most of the world hadn't even learned about this when they claimed credit.

03:03So that was itself a smoking gun.

03:05They repeated that claim 24 hours later.

03:08And having repeated that claim 24 hours later,

03:11then their handlers must have woken up to the gravity of this and told them to take it off their side.

03:15So they did.

03:16But the fact is, the credit claim was on record and the world has seen it.

03:21Third, when the first strikes happened on the terrorist camps,

03:26funerals were conducted, including for members of some of the key organizations,

03:34the Jayash-e-Muhammad in particular and the Ashkar-e-Taiba.

03:37The funerals were conducted and photographs have emerged on social media

03:41showing Pakistani generals and police officers in uniform attending these funerals,

03:46being conducted by relatives of these terrorists.

03:50So we're looking at three concrete pieces of evidence as far as India is concerned.

03:55But finally, I can add to the mix, we also have intelligence services.

04:00They have been studying very carefully these terrorist attacks.

04:03They have identified at least four of the five perpetrators and they know who they are.

04:08In fact, I'm told and I don't have access to the direct intelligence information,

04:12but I've been reliably informed.

04:15They know that two of them are Pakistanis and the other two were locals who had exfiltrated,

04:20is the term, out to Pakistan for training 10 years ago

04:23and clearly was sent back for this mission this time.

04:26So it's on the basis of all of this put together that we said,

04:30we know who did this and we will take action.

04:33And that's exactly what we did.

04:35I can assure you, India is not the kind of country that would undertake a military operation

04:40without very solid basis for doing so.

04:44This was not some random terror attack.

04:46I must say our government counts 24 terrorist attacks in the course of last year

04:51emanating from Pakistan, but none of them required this kind of response.

04:55We dealt with them.

04:56We either got the terrorists or killed them.

04:58Minimal damage, very little loss of life.

05:01We dealt with it.

05:01This showed all the hallmarks of a sophisticated, planned, deliberate operation

05:07with reconnaissance, with intelligence work, with a modus operandi,

05:11worked out this cynical exercise of asking people their religion,

05:15shooting them between the eyes.

05:16This is not an ordinary terrorist,

05:19some bearded fanatic blowing himself up outside a supermarket.

05:23This is not that.

05:24This is a serious quasi-military style operation

05:28and it required a military response.

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