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- Dr Adil Najam (Analyst)
Pakistan Delegation Exposes Indian Propaganda - Mohammad Malick's Report
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- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Maj Gen (r) Zahid Mehmood (Defence Analyst)
- Dr Adil Najam (Analyst)
Pakistan Delegation Exposes Indian Propaganda - Mohammad Malick's Report
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01:59So I think that now the scorecard is also coming to this point.
02:04We will talk about what's happening in the days.
02:07We have a conversation with President Trump and President Trump.
02:13We have a conversation about Ukraine and India and Pakistan.
02:17Until now, the observers who are sitting in the country,
02:22have been talking about 11 times on Trump's side of Pakistan.
02:26And it's always positive.
02:28So this is also a big deal with India.
02:32There are also a lot of topics that have been sent to Congress.
02:35But the interesting thing is that a book, which you can see in the B-roll,
02:42is the most important thing that the head of the Indian delegation is doing.
02:45It's the same thing that the delegation is doing all the same.
02:49It was their own book, which came from 2018.
02:51And it's called Paradoxical Prime Minister.
02:57And they write one example.
02:59Shameless exploitation of those are 16 surgical strikes along the line of control in Pakistan
03:04and of a military raid in hot pursuit of rebels in Myanmar as a party election tool,
03:10something that the Congress had never done despite having authorized several strikes earlier,
03:15marked a particularly disgraceful dilution of the principle that national security issues require both discretion and non-partisanship.
03:24They are saying that they are saying that they are in elections for elections and political things.
03:29They are saying that they are in surgical strikes and drama in 2016.
03:34They are saying that is the same thing as well.
03:37So they are saying that they are in vigils and they are ready to be supported.
03:41You will have to talk about it.
03:42And we'll talk about it.
03:44Two or three interesting things.
03:46So they are saying that what's happening in terrorism,
03:48and the better if the ISI and RAW also is seeing terrorism,
03:53and all this terrorism can happen.
03:56do everything.
03:57Is it practical?
03:59Or not?
04:00Then they said that both countries are a platform that they are in the middle of the country.
04:07DGMOs are talking about both countries.
04:10But they are purely military affairs.
04:12They are going to be a line of control and other things.
04:16They are going to be political.
04:18So what do we need a third format or not?
04:21The third one.
04:22We have won the war.
04:24And today we have done a lot of problems.
04:27Do we need to do peace with Pakistan?
04:31That we will capitalize it?
04:33Because we are going to put in the war in the war.
04:36And it will be more drama.
04:38This will be a tactical move.
04:40And the second one is also incident.
04:42When Khwaja Aasif has said something about the record,
04:46the government has been on the war.
04:47So, there is a lot of pressure from the foreign office.
04:52That we have not done any thing.
04:55The Khwaja Aasif has said that the defense minister has never said that the government has been undergone.
05:01And it is what we have also said that we have done all bilateral agreements.
05:05So, it is suspended.
05:07What is the pressure that is so fast?
05:09Why is Pakistan clarifying?
05:11And saying that the Assembla Accord is in its place.
05:14I have not understood the foreign office.
05:16There are some issues in the two ministries.
05:19I will share them on air.
05:21But it seems that the personal discontent between the two ministries
05:26has made the government foreign office of policy matter.
05:29Which is very very alarming.
05:30It does not need to happen.
05:32You heard me about the discussion.
05:33What did you say about the Assembla Accord?
05:37What did you say about the Assembla Accord?
05:39Do you think this is meaningful impact?
05:44I said, why do you speak to the Assembla Accord?
05:47Why do we speak to the Assembla Accord?
05:49Why should we call this control line?
05:53Why do we go to the Assembla Accord?
05:56Why do we speak to the Assembla Accord?
05:57So, you say that the Assembla Accord is in our hands and open.
06:01They don't believe it practically.
06:02They don't believe it.
06:03I don't believe it.
06:04I don't find any justification for the Assembla Accord today.
06:06When I look back and to raise the reference of the situation today.
06:13What he is saying is that it is irrelevant.
06:16And I tend to agree with it.
06:18Now in the latest interview with which the clarification came.
06:21He said that it is our stance to the Assembla Accord.
06:25Because in the Assembla Accord there was a big burden.
06:28So, he said that it is far away.
06:30It is a dead document.
06:31He said that it is abrogate.
06:33Why are we giving this perception to India?
06:40Of course, someone who can't do it.
06:43The thing is wrong.
06:46I don't have a lie.
06:47And the Assembla Accord not to the Assemblion Accord.
06:49This is a agreement.
06:52Not building.
06:54It is a sense of no fault that no one could do it.
06:57For the withdrawal of a condition.
06:58Why is this?
07:01This is not necessary.
07:03So, I just said that we've talked about it.
07:05We saw some things.
07:06It's been a lot about myself.
07:07My dear Colonel, Mahamud.
07:08We have an analyst.
07:09We are joining us. Dr. Adel Najm has joined us and has been doing it. Professor, Party School of Global Studies, Boston University, National Affairs expert. We are going to talk a lot about security. I have to talk a lot about security and this is another great development. General sir, I was telling you that an emergency, sort of an emergency will be declared in Bilochistan.
07:31We are going to talk a lot about the terrorism act. We are meant to be in Bilochistan. We are going to give power. Security intelligence agencies plus government. We are going to be detained without charges.
07:48We are going to be detained by the government. We are going to take action. We are going to take action. We are going to take action.
08:00It was serious. We are going to take action. The following was due to the
08:09two years. So, a very serious thing. We will talk about foreign affairs.
08:15I am sure you are watching this whole thing closely. Today, one of our delegation members
08:23in Washington had a very interesting thing. He said that today, we have a very final thing.
08:30The Congress of India Caucus and Pakistan Caucus has a joint-sitting plan.
08:36The Congress of India Caucus has a joint-sitting plan. This is news to me, but if it happens,
08:54it is a good thing. It is a good thing. It is a good thing. It is a good thing and it is a good thing.
09:00It is a good thing. The other side is belligerent. We want to talk. We want to solve the problem.
09:08We are the reasonable and rational side. If there is a move like this, it is a good thing.
09:14Significantly, I am saying that, Malik sir, in my opinion, there are a caucus that is important.
09:19It is not that it is unimportant. But they are not prime policy forums. They are basically congressmen.
09:25But they influence the policy a lot. Yes, I am saying that it is important. But it is not that it will be a good thing.
09:33The caucus doesn't mean that they are all in the country. That means an interest.
09:40There is a leaning. There is a leaning. There is a little knowledge.
09:43So in all of those senses, in all of those senses,
09:58we are back as an India-Pakistan issue.
10:26You know what I am saying?
10:28Yes.
10:29And at that time, I had been very worried that this is a real construction of how geopolitics is going to be understood.
10:38In India-Pakistan is going to be understood.
10:43And that is very importantly that it is the root cause of everything.
10:50For an office of so eagerly saying that no, no, no, no, no, similar accord is not going to happen.
10:57What is the logic of this?
11:00If we can do what the water treaty has done, why did we have done this?
11:06Why did we come from a foreign office to interested.
11:08We are bound, the similar accord is completely our place.
11:11Why am I doing this? Why?
11:12You are confused?
11:13I am again not sure his reason.
11:16is not in our interest
11:39so they do not want
11:43so in a way simila is an important card for pakistan to keep
12:00this will have to come
12:06to some international forum
12:08at least world bank
12:09that is one thing i can think
12:11that is one thing i can think
12:15that is one thing i can think
12:27this is one thing i can think
12:29I would say that I have to go back and work on terrorism.
12:37It is practically possible.
12:40And, bismillahirrahmanirrahim, Malik Saba, thank you very much for the invite.
12:44The challenge is, I think, if we can find that which is the difference of the policy,
12:55India has been applied.
12:56But now, this stage, because it's a confidence building, a stage set, it's not
13:03happening.
13:05Twenty thirteen, we have been talking about dialogue.
13:08Before you, you have said that DGMO is a forum.
13:12Twenty thirteen, there was a proper mechanism.
13:15They were seven eight, there was a set of terrorism.
13:18Track tools, there was a lot of stuff happening.
13:21So, first of all, we have to recognize that we have issues.
13:29We have serious issues.
13:31India has to solve its own might.
13:33So, until a non-starter, we will not get to address the issue.
13:39To address the issue.
13:40Given that we say that India's apprehensions,
13:44we have a table.
13:45We have two states.
13:47India has to start a hybrid.
13:50That plausible deniability,
13:52that we have nothing to do.
13:54Whether you have a abortion,
13:56whether you have a jailer,
13:57whether you have a jailer,
13:58whether you have a jailer,
13:59whether you have a jailer,
14:00whether you have a jailer.
14:02Because of this argument,
14:03this conflict,
14:04this conflict,
14:05this acceptance,
14:06which they say,
14:07because international media,
14:08which has access,
14:09international diplomacy,
14:12requirements,
14:14economic diplomacy,
14:15which has access,
14:16and the requirement,
14:17which they want to buy in the market,
14:20which they want to buy in the market.
14:22But this war has changed the scenario.
14:25The other one,
14:26West,
14:27because of this issue,
14:28what we do here is,
14:29we do this.
14:30Practically raw,
14:32now they do this.
14:33Practically raw,
14:34just a few actions,
14:35terrorism and all,
14:36this is raw,
14:37as you can't do it,
14:38because it's raw raw.
14:39So it's raw raw.
14:40We're going to see what that is.
14:41Rod,
14:42see you can't do it.
14:43ус you can't do it,
14:44the general system,
14:45quite,
14:47he was trying to detect it.
14:47How does it start?
14:50I can't do this,
14:51he did.
14:52Rough,
14:53it's doing all this.
14:55itself is doing all
14:57this. American
14:59adalat میں دیکھ لیں raw implicate
15:01ہوئی ہے as lead agency
15:03جو گروہد سنگ کے murder
15:05it is a non-starter. I think
15:07it's too early. Pahalے تو یہ identify
15:09کیا جائے کہ
15:10دونوں countries اس کو کم از کم accept
15:13کریں کہ یار problems ہیں. Let's sit
15:15and decide. I think Dr. Adel
15:17could join. Koi wants to add to this.
15:19Dr. Dr.
15:20I want to give a 37 idea
15:22دینا چاہ رہا ہوں. آپ کرتے ہمیشہ آپ
15:25ایسی بات ہی کرتے ہیں.
15:26Non-starter ہے. اسی لیے یہ اچھا
15:29idea. اور اس کا مراد
15:30میری یہ ہے کہ یہ کیا feasible
15:33ہے یا نہیں. Feasible تو ضرور ہے جس طرح
15:34military to military گفتگو ہوتی ہے war کے درمیان
15:36بھی. آپ کے پاس دنیا بھر میں
15:39examples ہیں کہ intelligence to intelligence
15:41گفتگو ہوتی ہے. Even when you
15:43do not trust the other.
15:43میں اس پہ آپ کو ایک چیز add کر دوں. یہ مجھے
15:45former آبی چیف نے بتایا تھا
15:47کہ جب ابھی نندن واپس کیا
15:49ہے. تو اس طرح raw کے چیف
15:51نے اپنے counterpart کو
15:54phone کر کے شکریہ دا کیا
15:56کہ آپ لوگوں نے بڑا اس مسئلے کو اسے
15:57handle کیا. تو یہ جو آپ کی بات ہے
15:59اس پہ یہ ہوا ہے پہلے.
16:01ہاں ہاں. اور naughty idea یہ ہے
16:03کہ feasible ضرور ہے possible
16:05نہیں ہے. کیونکہ انڈیا نہیں مانے گا.
16:07اور اگر اس کا end result یہ
16:09ہوتا ہے کہ پاکستان نے ایسی offer کی
16:11اور انڈیا نے اس کو refuse کیا.
16:13تو it again builds up جو میرے خیال میں
16:15سب سے important چیز ہو رہی ہے.
16:17The credibility of پاکستان.
16:19The rationality of پاکستان
16:21and the belligerence دوسری طرف کی.
16:24So کوئی ایسی چیز
16:25جو highlight کرتی ہے کہ پاکستان
16:28بات کرنے کو تیار ہے
16:29اور بھارت نہیں ہے
16:31is I think a good idea.
16:33اچھا مجھے ایک اور بات بتا ہے.
16:34میں بھی تل ریلس ٹوکے گئے رہا ہوں.
16:35مجھے ایک اور بات بتا ہے.
16:36اگر ہو جائے تب بھی
16:37there is nothing to lose.
16:39مجھے ایک اور بات بتا ہے اور میں بڑا
16:41risk لے کے بات کر رہا ہوں.
16:42because پاکستان میں فیسارے آپ کے بیچھے پڑ جاتے ہیں.
16:44because I have to be very careful.
16:46لیکن جنگ ہم جیت گئے.
16:48India کی بھرپور زلت ہوئی.
16:50تباہی پھیڑ دی.
16:51سارا ان کی بدماشی بدموشی ختم ہوگی.
16:54اب ہم ظاہرہ گلوٹ کر رہے ہیں.
16:57ہم بھی چھاتی چوڑی کر رہے ہیں.
16:58اس کی تو 56 کی چھاتی ہم نے
17:0036 انچ کی کر دی نا نرندہ مودی کی.
17:02ہماری جو 44 انچ کی تھی
17:04جو 44 انچ والی وہ اب ہو گئی ہے.
17:0664 انچز کی.
17:07لیکن اب ہو یہ رہا ہے کہ
17:09اب ہم بھی ہر بات میں
17:10کہتے ہیں ایسی کی تیسی آؤ پھر آؤ فلان آؤ.
17:14کیا وقت آ گیا ہے
17:16کہ ہم انٹرنیشنل کمیونٹی سے جو بات کر رہے ہیں
17:19کہ ٹھیک ہے یار ہم نے کہا انویسٹیگیشنز کرو
17:21ہم آج بھی کہتے ہیں اس کی
17:22انٹرنیشنل انپارسنر انکوائری کرو
17:24ہم ہر چیز کے اندر کوپیٹ کرنے پر تیار ہیں
17:27کہ اب ہم یہاں پہ بھی
17:29جنگوئیزم تھوڑا سا نیچہ کریں
17:30اور ہم ایکشلی فورس کریں
17:32یہ جو دروازہ کھلا ہے
17:34امریکہ یا دوسرے ممالک
17:36کہ وہ انڈیا کو کہو
17:37لیٹس ٹاک پیس
17:39اور پیس کی ٹرمز تیار کرو
17:41وار کی ٹرمز تو ہم نے تیار کر دی ہیں
17:43جنگ جیت کے ہم نے وار کی ٹرمز تیار کر دی ہیں
17:46سمجھا دیا ہے کہ بھئیہ
17:48اس دیوار پر دوبارہ نہ آنا
17:49اوپر گرے گی
17:51کیا ہم اس موقع کو پیس ٹرمز فورس کرنے کے لیے کریں
17:55تو زیادہ بہتر نہیں ہوگا
17:56ڈاکٹر آدل
18:01جی بالکل میرے خیال میں بہتر ہوگا
18:04لیکن
18:04دو دو کوالیفکیشنز میں صرف کروں گا
18:08ایک یہ کہ
18:09جنگوزم والی بات تو آپ کی بالکل دروازہ
18:11دیکھیں اس وقت جو ہے
18:12وہ کسی نے اس دن مجھ سے کسی اور میں پوچھا
18:15کہ بھارت اتنی وہ اگزاجریٹ کرتا ہے
18:17ہمیں کس طرح جواب دینا چاہیے
18:18ویسپونس ورنس
18:20give them a long enough rope to
18:22tie themselves up with.
18:23They themselves are wrong with their jingoism.
18:27We don't need to go into it.
18:29On the other hand, I would
18:30politely suggest that
18:32this is not a war that will be finished.
18:35This is a 70-year-old war
18:37that will not be finished when Kashmir
18:38will not be finished, that will not be finished.
18:41At this time, I do think
18:43that Modi is wounded enough
18:44and that there is so much internal pressure
18:47that they will
18:49pile into some other
18:51rash act. So, which I am sure
18:53is going to be done, we need to prepare for it.
18:55But on the narrative front,
18:57you are absolutely right. Pakistan
18:59should be laser-focused on
19:01Pakistan.
19:03In a way, rather than we don't
19:05know India's answer, we will
19:07see our forces and our forces and
19:09Navy's forces. But we should
19:11be focused on Pakistan. We have
19:13a historical opportunity
19:14after many years of
19:17difficulties of changing
19:19our image of
19:20world. So, I think Pakistan should focus on Pakistan and remain cognizant that I am not sure that
19:25can't wait for it.
19:28But the
19:29untrustworthiness
19:31is to highlight. So I think
19:33Pakistan should focus on Pakistan
19:35and remain cognizant
19:37that I am not sure that
19:39that's what I am not sure.
19:39Because when delegation
19:41came to talk about
19:42members from now and tomorrow
19:45the common theme is
19:46that we have a positive reception
19:48because we are talking about peace
19:50and trade.
19:52The music is
19:53for Trump administration
19:54and Republicans
19:56and India
19:57and all that
20:01but I agree with Dr. Adel
20:06that a young
20:06has not been done.
20:07A young
20:09has not been done.
20:12There are many things
20:13Indians for surprise
20:14but now surprise
20:15is not.
20:16They have to know
20:16that they have to know
20:18that they have to try
20:20to try to do
20:21the technological differences
20:22which we have to
20:22as soon as we have
20:23we have to mitigate
20:24we have to do
20:26which we have to do
20:28because
20:28because we have a lot of
20:29people who have to do
20:29that we have to do
20:30that we have to do
20:31that we have to do
20:32June to July
20:33July, August
20:34which we have to do
20:35June, July, August
20:37September
20:38is that
20:39RSS
20:40is that
20:41100
20:41of the function
20:42then October
20:43November
20:43elections
20:44then January
20:45February
20:45elections
20:46then
20:46state elections
20:47and all that
20:47which we have to do
20:49we have to do
20:50that if something has happened, then we will do it. Let's say, I will say, I will say,
20:55in August's last week, we will have a explosion in the middle of the year.
20:5940-50, we will have a explosion in the middle of the year. And then in September,
21:04RSS functions, 4-5 days ago, we will have a new result in which we will have a definitive result
21:09but we will say that we will do it again. But practically in military terms, between now
21:16and September, what is the gap that India has so vast resources with this technological difference,
21:24which is qualitative, can this gap fill the gap?
21:27Yes, the defensive preparations for India are evolving.
21:35And in Pakistan, continuously, every day, every passing second,
21:40we will monitor ourselves and improve ourselves and our different measures.
21:45Can they play catch up?
21:47I don't think so. Militarily, strategy, which is the environment, there is no problem.
21:53In India, there is a debate in this war, in the Jingoism,
21:57I listened to that, in the program, in the program, Gopal said,
22:03what is the home secretary?
22:05He said that Mr. Modi has betrayed the Prime Minister's office
22:09and he is taking India to a civil war,
22:12which could be a civil war.
22:14That's why I am the army professional outfit,
22:18the army chief.
22:20City leader,
22:24That's not perfect time.
22:49We're not true.
22:49We're not true.
22:51I'll tell you, you know, I've talked about this, India, this war, I've talked about it.
22:56I'll talk about it, it's a little bit, it's a little bit.
23:00I haven't talked about it, but it's a little bit.
23:05I'll talk about it, this application.
23:10I'll talk about it.
23:14War, it fell on its head.
23:18It fell on its head.
23:20foreign
23:22general
23:24deputy chief of air staff
23:26this is a sec
23:28before the hostilities broke
23:30two days for air force
23:32we all know that
23:34but now we see
23:36if they have a thing
23:38if they have something
23:40yes men
23:42we follow up
23:44India is not pursuing
23:46the political objectives of state of India
23:48India
23:50India
23:52which
23:54seriously
23:56who
23:58one star general officers
24:00brigadiers
24:02who
24:03professional progression
24:04who
24:05RSS
24:06into
24:08this is
24:10militant wing
24:11of RSS
24:12which
24:13is
24:14this
24:15war
24:16psychologically, mentally, no spirit
24:19that they had. August and September
24:21what do you expect to be military?
24:23Do you expect that?
24:25Is that a very dangerous thing?
24:26With moving in office, August and September
24:28do you expect to be in the next five days
24:30to be expect to be in the next five days.
24:33Now they have the potential of
24:34the armed forces.
24:37Look, our military has been in the army.
24:40The army has been in the military.
24:42There is a lot of embarrassment.
24:44Without firing a bullet,
24:46you were out of the battle.
24:48Embarrassment بہت بڑی ہوئی ہے.
24:49उसका जो demoralize होंगे,
24:51आपको याद होगा कि उनके जो air chief है,
24:53वो रिफल, उनके junior officers ने,
24:55हिंदू officers ने उनके साथ,
24:57फिर उनकी जो statement आ रही है.
24:59अभी ये passing वर्ग चल रहा है,
25:00कि CDS ने एक जो statement दी है,
25:03there is a, I mean कि वो कह रहे हैं,
25:04कि number doesn't matter,
25:06कि वो देखने हैं,
25:07वो देखने हैं, ये छोड़ ले हैं,
25:08ये छोड़ ले हैं,
25:09number does matter,
25:10अगर number matter नहीं करते,
25:11तो CDS आप बता दे ना,
25:13उसी पर बता दे,
25:14पांच हैं, छे हैं, दस हैं,
25:16पाकिस्तान ने देखे हैं,
25:17हम भी बात कर रहे हैं,
25:18कि आप बात करें,
25:19कि पाकिस्तान को पीस की था,
25:20पाकिस्तान ने इवर्ण डियूरिंग दी रिस्पॉंस,
25:23एंड डियूरिंग दी डिफेंस,
25:25एक चो अपरचुनिटी पीस को देना चाहते हैं,
25:28वो उसके बीच में भी में मैंटेन रहे हैं,
25:29कि अगर दो दिन उनकी एर फोर्स वस नॉट देया,
25:31तो पाकिस्तान कोड़ है प्लेड हैविक विद था,
25:33पुलवामा में भी आपको याद होगा,
25:35कि रिस्टेंट किया था पाकिस्तान ने,
25:37दे कुड आव टेकन मोर टार्गेट,
25:38इस पे भी बहुत ज़्यादा टार्गेट्स और लिये जा सकते थे,
25:41रिस्टेंट इसलिए किया,
25:42कि पाकिस्तान डोंट वांट कि ये एसकलेशन लेडर पे उधर जाए,
25:45लेकिन इस जो गैंक्स्टर वहां पे बैठा हुए,
25:48इसको लीडर तो कहना ही नीच चाह,
25:49ये प्लिटिकल गैंक्स्टर और ये रिस्टर का मर्डरर जो बैठा हुए,
25:53ये अपनी वार को इस पे ले गया है,
25:56ये जिनरल साहिर शम्शाद मिर्जा भी जो कह रहा है कि थ्रेश होल्ड हमारा कम हो गया है,
25:59तो अफ्कूर्स एक बाक्टर आदले मुझे एक बात बता है,
26:02एक बड़ी अलामिक सिच्विशन ये भी है,
26:06कि इंडिया तो शायद अफोर्ड करता हो,
26:08हर छे मीने बाद एक शोशा छोड़ो,
26:10और जिनाब ढूठा करो, फिर बैठ जोओ,
26:13फिर छे मीने बाद करो,
26:14एकनॉमिकल भी, रिसोर्स वाइज भी हम नहीं करते,
26:18क्या पाकिस्तान की मजबूरी नहीं बन जाएगा,
26:21कि अगर मुदी कोई और ड्रामा करता है,
26:23इसी तरह का, एक और कोशिश करता है,
26:25कि हमें फिर एसकेलेट जादा करना पड़े जवाब को,
26:28क्याकि वो एक डेफिनिटिव आंसर हो,
26:31कि बस यार, इसे आगे अब थर्ड नहीं होगी,
26:35तो इंडिया का चीज छोड़ता है,
26:36अभी तक हमने हमेशा बड़ी कैलिबरेटेड,
26:40बड़ी मॉड़ेट, बहुत ही कैलकिलेटेड रिस्पॉंस दिया,
26:42टू कीप इट डाउन,
26:44क्या पाकिस्तान की मजबूरी नहीं पंचेगी,
26:46अगर इंडिया खुद दोबारा ये मोदी को हरकत करता है,
26:49कि लेट्स नॉट कीप इट डाउन,
26:50और इसको एक तगड़ा जवाब दो ताकि ये तमाश्चा सरकस बंदो,
26:54और अगर पाकिस्तान वो करता है,
26:56तो फिर इंटरनेशनल उपिनियन मेकिंग में,
26:59हमारे इमेज को डैमेज तो नहीं हो सकता के निया रहे बड़े रड़ाके ने,
27:02अगर एक तरह से आप कॉर्नर इतने हो जाते हैं,
27:32कि आपके पास कोई आप्शन ही नहीं रहता,
27:34बावजूद इसके कि आप बहुत कोई एक्स्ट्रीम मेजर ले लें,
27:38नियुक्रियर ना भी हो, कोई से और किसम की एस्केलेशन हो,
27:41तो आइटिंग पाकिस्तान का जो मेसेज है, जो दिया जा रहा है,
27:44वो पार्टली यही है, कि देखो, दुनिया जो है,
27:47हम नहीं चाहते हैं कि वहाँ पहुंचें,
27:50एंड भारत जो है, वो हमें मजबूर कर रहा है,
27:52हमें कॉर्नर कर रहा है, हमें पुश्ट कर रहा है,
27:54जो आपने वार की बात की, अगर उसको हम थोड़ा सा वार गेम करें,
27:57मैं ग्री करता हूँ जनल साब से,
28:00कि यू वड़ एव एक्सपेक्टेट कि अभी तक मोदी ने,
28:02मोदी साब ने कुछ ना कुछ कर लिया हुता है,
28:04क्यों नहीं किया उसके कई वजवात हैं,
28:06उसमें से एक वज़ा मेरे खाल में डॉनल्ड ट्रॉम्प है,
28:08ट्रॉम्प ने इसको इतना पर्सनल बना लिया,
28:11इतनी बार कहा दिया है कि जी मैंने पीस कराई,
28:13मैंने पीस कराई,
28:14कि एनी ओवर्ट आक्शन बाइ इंडिया वोड़ बी सीन
28:18अगर हम इसी को एक स्टेप आगे ले जाए,
28:23कि मोदी इस अंडर प्रेशर डॉमेस्टिकली,
28:26उनकी पार्टी इस अंडर प्रेशर,
28:28वो जो डिग्निटी वाली बात है,
28:30तो कंट्री इस फीलिंग के हमारे साथ जो है,
28:32हमारे साथ बहुत बेस्ती हो गई है,
28:34so what will Modi do?
28:36वो ऐसा तो नहीं हो कहाँगा,
28:37अच्छा यार बड़ा बुरा हुआ, चलो घर जलते हैं,
28:39then the danger is,
28:41जो I think Pakistan is aware,
28:43कि अगर वो मिलिटरिली नहीं कर सकते,
28:46और यह सारा प्रेशर है,
28:48then they will try other means,
28:50for example, the type of terrorism,
28:52जो आप अलोचस्तान में देखते हैं,
28:54या so on and so forth,
28:55so that is why we should be very,
28:58we should remain very vigilant,
29:00and I am sure के वो हैं,
29:02ना सिर्फ conventional means से
29:04escalation का,
29:05लेकिन अंसो अंकन्वेंशनल means से
29:07escalation का,
29:09और अंकन्वेंशनल means में,
29:10बहुत सारी means हैं,
29:11one of them is terrorism,
29:13the other can be other types of
29:15pressure, चाहे वो
29:17international institutions के
29:19तरिये हो या कुछ और हो,
29:21इसलिए आप देख रहे हैं कि भारत कोशिश कर रहे हैं कि
29:23किसी ना किसी तरीके से
29:24conventional और अंकन्वेंशनल एक तरह से
29:27जो जो इसके वक्त की
29:29loss of dignity है, उसका किसी तरह जवाब दे,
29:33लेकिन I repeat के
29:34a wounded moody,
29:37ऐसी बात नहीं कि उस पर बहुत खुशियां मिनाएं,
29:38बिकॉज जब वो बूदी जैसा शक्स जो है,
29:41जब वो wounded होता है और इतना wounded होता है,
29:44इतना under threat होता है,
29:45तो you should expect कि उनकी जो decision है,
29:47वो और ज़्यादा rash हो जाएगी.
29:50चले, इसमें आप ब्रेक लेते हैं,
29:51ब्रेक बात है, इसमें सब्जेक पर और भी काफी बात हैं हमारे साथ होईएगा.
30:00जी, welcome back.
30:01अभी मैं इंडियन मीडिया भी देख रहा था,
30:02वहाँ पर बड़ा criticism नरेंदरा मोदी का ये भी हो रहा है,
30:05कि तुम इतना तमाशा लगा रहे हो,
30:07और पाकिस्तान का भी फिर शबाशीर साहब ने भी अपना प्राइम निस्टर ने अपना एक एक्स पोस्ट भी बताई,
30:13जिसमें रहा कि पाकिस्तान जो United Nations Security Council की Sanctions Committee है,
30:20उसका Vice Chair है,
30:21और ये Sanctions Committee भी नाजरी आपको क्लियर कर दोंगे,
30:23ये वो तालिबान वगारा का इशूब इसकंदर ये ही कमेटी के निचे आ रहा है,
30:27Sanctions वगारा का,
30:28और जो Vice Chair of Counter-Terrorism Committee भी हो गया है,
30:35और ये जो की appointment साहीं बताती है,
30:37कि ये चीज़ें पाकिस्तान के diplomatic का,
30:40लेकिन डॉक्ट साब एक चीज़ बता है,
30:42मैं एक बहुत ही relevant Western diplomat से बहुत senior
30:45और हमारे लिए बहुत relevant उन से बात कर रहा था,
30:48उन्हों दो interesting बातें बड़ी की,
30:50उन्होंने का, ये आपको,
30:52मैंने का, यार आप लो प्रो पाकिस्तान हो गएं के एंटर इंडिया,
30:54उन्हों का, ये छोड़ दें, आप अपनी बात करें,
30:56और आपका ये है कि पहली दफ़ा, आज से दो साल पहले,
30:59आपकी कोई बात सुनने पे तियार नहीं था,
31:01इंट्रस्टिरी नहीं थे,
31:02वो सारा वो ही जो फर्माए में फिट था,
31:05आप टेर्रिजम ये, वो सारा करते हैं,
31:07उनका पहली बारी दर्वाज़ा थोड़ा सा खुला है,
31:10और आपको मौका है और दुनिया सुनने पे तयार है,
31:13बट उन्हें का आपका प्राबलम ही,
31:15आप तीन, छार, छे महीने बड़ी फुर्तियां दिखाते हैं,
31:18फिर आप बैट जाते हैं,
31:19एंबसी लेवल पर जो इन्फरमेशन जाती है,
31:22जो पॉलिसी को हम देते हैं अपनी इंपूर्ट,
31:25उसमें और कैपिटल में जो पॉलिसी मेकिंग या,
31:27यह कम असकम एक से दो धाई साल का फर्क होता है,
31:30टाइम लाग होता है,
31:32तो अगर आप यह समझने के तीन-छे महीने में बहुत काम्याबी हो जाएगी,
31:36तो नहीं होगा,
31:37आपको कुछ रिजल्टस आएंगे,
31:38लेकिन आपको बड़ी पस्टेसंट करनी है,
31:40यहां पे हम मार खाते हैं पाकिस्तानी,
31:42हम एक चीज़ पे हट जाते हैं,
31:44हमें पर्ज़वेरंस वो नहीं है,
31:47क्या जो इस सिच्वेशन है,
31:49आपको लगता है कि पाकिस्तान सिर्फ पर्ज़वेरंस से ना कहीं मार खा जाजा है,
31:55और जजबाती होके हम बड़ी जल्दी मेला से जा लेते हैं ना,
31:59do we have what it takes to keep really laser focused and keep pushing it?
32:04I hope we do,
32:06I hope we do,
32:07लेकिन जैसे आपने काँ कि हमारी हिस्ट्री नहीं है,
32:08और जो आप से जो जो आप जिनका आप जिकर कर रहे हैं,
32:11डिप्लोमाट का, वो सही कह रहे हैं,
32:13कि देखें, ये बात clear है,
32:15कि भारत की credibility को बहुत बड़ा धचका पहुंचा है,
32:18उनके जो जहाजों को पहुंचा है,
32:19उससे बड़ा धचका जो है,
32:21वो भारत की credibility को है,
32:23और जो भारत की assumption थी,
32:24कि दुनिया हमेशा हमेरे साथ होगी,
32:26और हमेशा पाकिस्तान के खिलाफ होगी,
32:28उसको जो धचका पहुंचा है,
32:30वो बहुत बड़ा है,
32:30लेकिन, लेकिन, लेकिन,
32:32इसका ये मतलब नहीं है,
32:33कि दुनिया सड्टनली जो है,
32:35वो एंटी इंडिया और प्रो पाकिस्तान होगी,
32:37ऐसा बिलकुल हरगेश नहीं है,
32:40हमें जो मिली है,
32:41वो एक्जेक्टली जो आपने फ्रेज यूज की,
32:43हमें एक विंडो मिली है,
32:44एक थोड़ा सा दर्वाजा खुला है,
32:46अब उसको यूज हम कैसे करते हैं,
32:47वो हमारा काम,
32:49जो हमें एक मिलिटेरिली,
32:51एक हमें गिफ्ट मिला है,
32:53उसको क्या हम ट्रांसलेट करते हैं,
32:56इंटू गुड डिप्लॉमसी,
32:57इसलिए एक हाफते में तो I have been very impressed,
33:00लेकिन क्या हम किंसिस्टेंटली कर सकेंगे,
33:02और किंसिस्टेंटली का मतलब क्या है,
33:04किंसिस्टेंटली का मतलब यह है,
33:05कि जो हम कहें,
33:07उसको हम प्रूव करें,
33:09लेकिन हमारा अगर सीना चोड़ा हुआ है वह न,
33:11वो इसलिए हुआ है कि on the ground reality जो है,
33:14वो हमारे हाक में गई है,
33:15on the ground जो activity है,
33:17उससे हमने थाबित की है,
33:19the same with diplomacy,
33:20my argument has been कि आप लिस्टें लगाएं और बार बार लगाएं,
33:23यार ये ये ये ये action है जो हमने terrorism के गेंस ली है,
33:27ये ये ये हमारे safe guards हैं,
33:30for example, on nuclear etc.
33:32So, हमारी जो credibility है,
33:34उसको हमने,
33:35we have a nearly historic opportunity,
33:39ले पाकिस्तान के लिए अन्युज़ा है,
33:40जैन साब एक बात बताएं,
33:41फोड़ी सी तल्ख बात है,
33:43लेकिन हकीकत है,
33:45इंडिया ने हमारे से कुछ नी सीखा,
33:47बहुत साल हमने non-state actors इस्तेमाल किये,
33:51state objective परसूब करने के लिए,
33:53चाहे वो किश्मीर था,
33:54चाहे कहीं और था,
33:56और फिर शाद हमने सबक सीख लिया,
33:58और इंडिया वोई हरकते हैं,
34:00वो कर रहा है,
34:01लेकिन होता ही है कि टिट फॉर टैट रेक्शन भी हो जाता है,
34:04अगर वो बलोचे साम में कुछ करते हैं,
34:06तो यहां प एक रेक्शन की टेंडिंसी आ जाती है,
34:08ओके यार,
34:09फिर हम इनको यहां पे जवाब देंगे,
34:12क्या हमारे यहां पे अब यह इंस्टूशनल फैसला हो गया भाए,
34:16कि अब हमने नौन स्टेट अक्टर्स,
34:19नो मैटर वाट,
34:21नहीं इस्तमाल करने,
34:22ना मुलक के अंदर, ना मुलक के बार,
34:23बिकाज यह है,
34:24जो डॉक्टर आप बात कर रहे हैं,
34:26वाक्ट टॉक,
34:27आज क्रेडिबिलिटी क्राइसिस है,
34:28इंडिया का हमारा नहीं है,
34:30लेकिन यह एक वाक्य से,
34:31क्रेडिबिलिटी क्राइसिस हमारा भी हो जाएगा,
34:34क्या हमारी इंस्टूशनल साइकी चेंज हो गई या,
34:37तेके मालिक सब यह पहले भी कोई इस तरह,
34:392004 के बाद तो आइडोंट थिंक सो कि
34:42इंस्टूशन के पास,
34:44या इस इस ऐलिमेंट को कभी पाकसा ने
34:46इस इंस्टूमेंट आफ पॉलीस ही इस्तेमाल कियो,
34:49सिचूशन है, देखें,
34:51ये इंस्टूशन की तरफ,
34:52हर चीज़ इंस्टूशन की तरफ डाल दी जाती है,
34:54क्योंके इंस्टूशन नहीं है,
34:5690,000 किलिंग्स इंकश्मीर,
34:59रोजाना उदर माएं बैनें उनकी रेफ हो रही है,
35:02वाइ वुड दे सिट,
35:04मुझे बताएना,
35:04और वो किसी के कंट्रोल में नहीं होते,
35:06अब वहाँ से जिती है,
35:08आपने इनके पुलीस चीफ्स की,
35:11आपने कश्मीर के 24 में भी और 23 की भी इनकी जरा देख ले,
35:15कि जो लोकल कश्मीरी है,
35:16वो उठाएज़े,
35:18इन जिस्टिस्सिस,
35:19सिखों का आपने देख लिया,
35:20और हिस्ट्री इस फुल,
35:22तो इनके इंटर्नल भी होते लिया,
35:23देखे 2004 के बाद,
35:25प्रवेज मुशर्फ सामने बड़ा ओपन ली,
35:27फिर शर्मल शेख में जो बाचीत हुई है,
35:29पाकिस्तान की यह पॉलिज़े,
35:49जैसे आदिल साह भी फर्मारे है,
35:50आदिल साह भी फर्मारे है,
35:50और हम सब की असेस्मेंट है,
35:52विद मुदी मायंड़ से,
35:53दे क्रियेट फ्रिक्शन,
35:55उनको फ्रिक्शन सूट करे है,
35:562014,
35:572013 तक इन दोनों कंट्रिज़,
35:59ڈی جی ایموز کا ہے اور اس کے علاوہ تھنک کہیں اس کا بھی چل رہا ہے اور اسٹیبلش کمپریینسیو ڈائی لاغ کا میکنزم بھی ہے
36:12فورٹین میں سا باتیں الیکشن جیتتے ہیں الیکشن لڑا کس پہ تین چیزیں انہوں نے مین کہیں
36:17انہوں نے کہا جی ایک تو میں یو ایس سے دوستی میری بہت اچھی ہو جائے گی ٹوئنٹی فورٹین
36:20دوسرا میں پاکستان کو گھٹنوں پہ لے کر آوں گا آپ کے سامنے اور تیسرا ایلیمنٹس لائک حافظ سعید
36:27اور یہ وہ ان کو میں ایلیمنٹ کروں گا ٹوئنٹی فورٹین اور وہ لیتے ہیں ٹو ہنڈرڈ میرا خیال میں ففٹی سیٹ سے انہوں نے جیتی ہیں
36:33ٹوئنٹی نائٹین میں پھر وہ وار کی سیچویشن کریٹ کی ٹوئنٹی نائٹین کا الیکشن جیتا تین سو کراوس کر گئے
36:39اب ان کو وہ لگ گیا کہ یار یہ تو انٹی پاکستان تو میرا پلٹیکل ڈومین میں ہے اور یہی ٹیررزم پہ رکھو ان کو اسی میں رکھو
36:45اور پھر اس کے بعد ہائیبریڈ کی اپلیکشن کرتے ہیں اگلے الیکشن سے پہلے
36:49افغانستان میں آتے ہیں ہائیبریڈ اس لیے کرتے ہیں کہ اس کا جو سینٹر آف گریوٹی آف تا ہائیبریڈ
36:54اس پلوزیبل ڈینائیبیلٹی کہ وہاں ایلیمنٹس بھی مل جائیں گے سب سے سستے کلائنٹس بیٹھے ہوئے ہیں
36:59کھانے کو ان کے پاس ہے نہیں پاکستان میں انوائرمنٹ کریئیٹ کرتے ہیں آپ کی اپلیکشن کا آپ کو مزہ آنا شروع جاتا ہے
37:05اور کلبوشنز ہو جاتے ہیں آپ کے پاس آپ کے پاس جیتے جاگتے ثبوت بیٹھے ہوئے ہیں
37:08تو یہ اس کا انسٹرمنٹ
37:10but do you think that Pakistan's establishment
37:12بالکل non-state
37:14not at all we can't afford
37:16دیکھیں economic situation ہے
37:18پاکستان stability کے طرف جائیں
37:19دیکھیں پاکستان کا ایک ہی issue ہے
37:21ابھی ہم ساری اتنی بات کر رہے ہیں کہ war ہوگی نہ ہوگی
37:23absensie of war doesn't mean کہ peace ہو جائے گا
37:26peace تب ہوگا جب root cause
37:28ابھی تو
37:30absensie of war کو enjoy کریں
37:31پاکستان نے
37:32پاکستان نے چار چیزیں اپنے national vital interest کر دی ہے
37:36ہماری sovereignty
37:37ہمارا جو geografia
37:39اس کے بعد ہمارا پانی اور ہمارا کشمیر
37:43اب یہ پہلے تو political decision
37:45پاکستان میں کرے نا
37:46ابھی آپ مجھے بتائیں کہ کشمیر پہ وہ بات بھی نہیں کرنا چاہتا
37:49خیر ابھی تو ابھی تو کچھ بھی نہیں کرنا چاہتا
37:50لنکڈاک صاحب یہ مجھے بتائیں
37:53کہ ابھی بہت بڑی
37:54ہمارے حق میں چیز جا رہی ہے جو
37:56انڈیا نے جس time barris کیا ہے
37:58پریزیڈنٹ ٹرمپ کو
37:59پرائیم ریسٹر کیا ہر کسی نے کیا
38:01اور ٹرمپ ایک شخص کے طور پر
38:04ہر چیز پاستلائز کر لیتے ہیں
38:06وہ ہر چیز کو بالکل اپنی عزت بیستی
38:08بنا لیتے ہیں لیکن یہ بڑا temporary phase
38:10بھی ہوتا ہے یہی زیلنسکی
38:12کی انہوں نے اڑا کے رکھ دیا تھا
38:14وائٹ ہاؤس میں اس وقت زیلنسکی کی بات بھی سن رہی ہے
38:16اور پوٹن کی وہ انہوں نے
38:18بجایا ہے سب کچھ کیا ہے
38:19کل کو یہ relationship
38:22مند ہوتی ہے جب ٹرمپ کی
38:24اور جو ڈیمیج اتنی نہیں ہوئی
38:26بھی یہ بڑا temporary سا flaw ہے
38:28پھر where does پاکستان
38:30stand
38:30نہیں آپ کی بالکل
38:34بالکل بات سہی ہے دیکھیں
38:35ٹرمپ کے ساتھ بالخصوص
38:37ایسی جنرلی انٹرنیشنل پولیٹکس میں
38:39ٹرمپ کے ساتھ بالخصوص
38:40nothing is permanent
38:42ناسکہ وہ permanent نہیں ہے وہ اتنی
38:44temporary ہوتی ہے آپ پیلان مسکہ دیکھ لیں
38:46آج میرا بیترین یاگار ہے
38:47کل میری کٹی کٹی ہوگی
38:49اس وقت ٹرمپ کے پاس اور ڈیسٹریکشن بھی
38:52اتنی ہیں کہ وہ شاید غور نہیں کر رہا
38:54اگر for example کل انڈیا کے ساتھ
38:56ٹریٹ پہ ٹریف کی بات سیریس شروع ہو جاتی ہے
38:58انڈیا has far more things
39:00to give to ٹرمپ than پاکستان does
39:02so یہ جو possibility ہے
39:03نہ صرف possibility ہے likelihood ہے
39:05so میں again come to the point
39:08کہ آپ کو ہمیں ایک opportunity
39:10ملیے دروازے میں
39:11ہلکا سا ایک light آئی ہے
39:13اس light کو ہم کیسے use کرتے ہیں
39:16for our reason
39:17ہمارا goal یہ نہیں ہے
39:19کہ ہم انڈیا کو برات سائیں
39:20آپ نے very quickly
39:21بڑا تھوڑا time
39:22آپ نے ایک بڑی اچھی statement دی
39:24ہے very quickly
39:24we're down to last minute or so
39:26آپ نے ایک بات کی
39:27کہ انڈیا پاکستان کی بات کرتا ہے
39:29پاکستان پاکستان کی بات کرتا ہے
39:31یہ ہماری policy اور چیئے
39:32give me a 20 second elaboration
39:35what do you mean by that
39:36دیکھیں پاکستان کا
39:38پاکستان کا has
39:39has had an image problem
39:41یہ opportunity
39:42اس image کو
39:43بہتر کرنے کی
39:45اور towards reality
39:46لانے کی ہے
39:46اور image بہتر کرنے کا
39:48دنیا میں صرف ایک طریقہ ہے
39:49وہ narrative نہیں ہے
39:50وہ social media نہیں ہے
39:52وہ
39:52تصویریں نہیں ہیں
39:53ایک ہی طریقہ ہوتا ہے
39:55history میں image
39:56ٹھیک کرنے کا
39:56اور وہ ہے
39:57reality کو show کرنے کا
39:58اور reality کو
39:59بہتر کرنے کا
40:00so that is why
40:02پاکستان has an opportunity
40:03اب چاہے وہ سفارتکاری سے ہو
40:06چاہے وہ ہمارے action سے ہو
40:08ان کو transparent بنانے سے ہو
40:09that is the opportunity
40:11ایک اگر آپ کے پاس
40:12half a minute والی بات
40:13یہ بھی یاد رکھیں
40:14کہ صرف پاکستان اور بھارت
40:16میں یہ تبدیلی نہیں آ رہی
40:17اس وقت پوری دنیا کا
40:18جو نظام ہے
40:19وہ درم برم ہوا ہے
40:20چاہے وہ چین ہو
40:21وہ کل کہاں بیٹھے گا
40:23امریکہ ہو
40:24is the US
40:25یہ تو بات clear ہے نا
40:26کہ US is no longer
40:27the soul super problem
40:29US کے
40:31Europe سے جو relations ہیں
40:32وہ خراب ہو گئے ہیں
40:33am I relating this to this
40:35all of these give you opportunity
40:37کہ وہ جو ہماری ایک
40:39mathematics تھی نا
40:40کہ ایک ہی بڑا چودری ہے
40:41اس سے بنا کر رکھیں
40:42وہ کسی نے کہا نا
40:43کہ we have to be very careful
40:44we live in a very chaotic world
40:46which is true
40:47Dr. Ali Najib
40:48thank you very much
40:49General Sahib
40:50بہت شکریہ
40:50آپ کا
40:50نظرین ایک بریک رہتے ہیں
40:51ہمارے ساتھ
40:52ہی
40:52جی
40:56you welcome back to the show
40:57کیا محارتیں جنگ میں ہیں
40:59بلکل ہیں
40:59اور جنرل Zahid نے کہا
41:01کہ absence of war
41:02doesn't mean peace
41:03کیا
41:04ابھی
41:05مودی
41:05آرام سے بیٹھ جائے گا
41:06بالکل نہیں بیٹھے گا
41:07وہ کبھی بھی
41:08ایک defeat لے کے
41:09گھر نہیں جائے گا
41:10کیا صدر
41:11Trump کی دوستی
41:12یا اچھی باتیں
41:13permanent ہیں
41:14بلکل permanent نہیں ہیں
41:14بہت transactional
41:15president ہیں
41:16ہم ایک کیاٹک دنیا میں
41:17رہنے ہیں
41:18اور بڑی
41:18fast evolving situation
41:20ہے
41:20لیکن میں وہی بات
41:21repeat کروں گا
41:22جو مجھے بڑی
41:22ایک relevant
41:23diplomat نے کہا
41:23اصل چیز ہے
41:24perseverance
41:25persistence
41:26دو تین ماہ کی
41:28diplomatic campaign
41:29سے بات نہیں بنے گی
41:30چھے ماہ کی
41:30نہیں بنے گی
41:31پاکستان
41:32خوب اپنا
41:32pep out
41:33کرنا پڑے گا
41:34اگلے دو
41:35تین سال
41:36ہم نے کیا
41:36کرنا ہے
41:37اور ہمیں
41:37جس کو انگریزی میں
41:38کہتے ہیں
41:38we must walk the talk
41:39ہمیں وہی
41:41کرنا ہے
41:41جو ہم ہر چیز
41:42نقص بتا رہے ہیں
41:43انڈیا میں
41:44ہمیں دنیا کو
41:45دکھانا ہے کہ
41:45ہم وہ نہیں ہیں
41:46ہم victims ہیں
41:47ہم terrorism کے
41:49ہم اس کو
41:49فروغ نہیں دے رہے
41:50ہم non-state tactics
41:51استعمال نہیں
41:52کر رہے
41:53بلکہ
41:53non-state tactics
41:54ہمارے خلاف
41:54ہو رہے ہیں
41:55اور اب بھی
41:56ہماری جو
41:56dossiers
41:56اور چیزیں
41:57جائیں گی
41:57quality of evidence
41:59decide کرے گا
42:00کہ quality of appreciation
42:01کیا ہے
42:02ہمارے پاس
42:03ایک window of opportunity
42:04آئی ہے
42:04یہ اب ہمارے پہ
42:05ہماری قیادت پہ ہے
42:07ہم اس کو گوا دیں
42:08یا اس سے
42:09اپنا بہت کچھ
42:10بتل لیں
42:11اجازت دیجئے
42:12اللہ حافظ