Sister Wives Season 19 Episode 26 One-on-One: Part 1 (May 25, 2025)
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00:00You
00:14The Browns dream of a plural family is over whatever I've done in these marriages, they're done
00:22It's just different now
00:26It's an end of an era it didn't have to be this way
00:30The first three wives have left Cody and moved on. What about us? What about you and me?
00:34I mean, I don't think we even exist in the same universe anymore
00:38Karma's a bitch. I don't know how we define ourselves with each other from here
00:44We're exes
00:46Let's be real
00:50I've never felt like this before never been this much in love either. I never loved Cody as much as I love David
00:57Now Cody and Robin are left to figure out what comes next
01:01Sorry, that is so not where I'm at. I can't talk about I can't talk any more about
01:08Reconciliation it's it's difficult some days. There's days when I just feel like the idiot
01:13That doesn't
01:16That doesn't know how to let it go
01:19Here
01:20In Sedona, Arizona over the next four hours
01:24I'm sitting down with Cody Mary
01:26Robin Christine and David and Janelle to talk about their future and dive deeper into their past
01:33He told me that he tried really hard to bring the other relationships up to what he thought, you know, our relationship
01:41Is and was no, I'm just gonna tell you straight up. That's
01:45100% a lie. I don't think that that's fair. Why Oh because we're all supposed to be
01:54Robin I'll tell you what
01:56There's a divine aspect about my relationship with Robin and we have been bitch-slapped for it
02:01But I'm sick of it
02:02I know but you have to the point where I'm walking around flipping two birds because I am so sick and tired
02:08Being guilted for loving Robin
02:10He knows how to push the buttons
02:12But he doesn't know how to take accountability for the fact that he just pushed a button. I'm so mad. I'm afraid of
02:18The wrath that we're gonna get but Mary he says so much stuff about us publicly
02:23What else is he gonna say?
02:25Do you think you'll ever be able to settle down and have a conversation and be friends with Cody and Robin?
02:31I don't need it. I don't want it. I really just don't like them
02:35I don't I don't want to know them. I don't want to be friends with them. Okay, listen Suki, right?
02:42I want to shut you down now. I know you guys shut me down. Yeah, I can now you get I don't have to say the answer
02:49This is sister wives one-on-one
03:01Robin and I are about to go to Sedona. We're gonna drive through Oakwood Canyon
03:05Beautiful drive down to Sedona. We're gonna do one-on-ones there. So the drives gonna be nice
03:12It's the only thing
03:17The one-on-ones are extremely intense
03:20we used to do them all together and it's kind of like we're sitting here five people who were loyal to each other and
03:27We were literally trying to protect each other. Well, that's all gone. So are you excited about this? No, not at all
03:33I'd rather have a root canal
03:35really
03:38No, well tell me how you really feel the first time we ever did the one-on-ones it was pretty scary
03:43It was exciting at the same time. It is very scary, but they did Robins makeup. I
03:49Know it was magical. I can't get over that every time I look at that picture. I'm like
03:58Delicious-looking
04:01All right, I'm gonna go
04:03Are you feeling nervous about what they're gonna ask you?
04:06No
04:06These things have never stressed me out and I've never worried like some people in our family get really worked up about these but these
04:12Don't really ever bother me. Sookie's really great. She's hard. She asks hard questions
04:16But she's nice, but I still have to watch because she's nice. And so I forget I
04:21Forget I'm just not like chatting in my front room with somebody so I have to still think about my answers, you know
04:26All right
04:29Have a good trip
04:34I got the bags all packed ready to go. Okay, I'm gonna wear my pink suit. I like that pink suit
04:40I do too. How are you feeling about it? I
04:44I wish we didn't have to do these. I don't like them. They bring up things are the hardest
04:49I don't like talking about everything my past you guys. I loved Cody like
04:53Four years ago so much of my life was so focused on him and it makes me disgusted with myself
04:59You're always here. You're always a constant and I always know when you're here
05:03I never know Cody would be around you like kept us always in suspense. We're just not really that
05:08Well, I knew where he was
05:10That's our biggest fight
05:18Hi, my name is Mary I'm not a sister a
05:23Not nervous about the questions cuz I'm
05:26I'm confident and like who I am and what my answers are what my conversations are gonna be
05:33You know, you know people are gonna say what they're gonna say and you just kind of roll with it
05:37It's kind of like, you know what they say about when you're lying
05:41You have to remember what you say
05:44Like I don't feel like I have to remember what to say and to keep a story straight because I'm speaking my truth
05:51I'm just gonna be me take it or leave it. I'm ready to unmask
05:56Is there anything I can do to protect you from this?
05:59Hmm
06:00No, God will protect me. All right, let's have a prayer after we get out of here
06:07And go
06:30Oh
06:40Hey Cody
06:42Welcome to Sedona. Well, it's almost home. How are you? Good. I'm all right. I'm doing all right. Excellent
06:49How are you? I'm well
06:51What do you think if your life could be a movie right now?
06:55What would it be one of my favorites fried green tomatoes Evelyn? I was like, yeah, I'm like, it's just gonna remake her life
07:01She's gonna seize her power or whatever. I don't like that. So, you know what I was thinking about
07:05I was thinking about eat pray love. Oh, so yes, I could do that. Can I please do that?
07:11Somebody follow me. I think if anyone's like Javier
07:18How would you describe your life with a popular movie title, what's the one Keanu Reeves and
07:25Patrick Swayze the president's with the president's face
07:33Point break
07:35Point break is the point broken
07:38Broken, you're laughing about it, but you're having a good sense of humor. I
07:44It's easier to have a sense of humor now the farther you get away from
07:49From you know, like broken. Yeah
07:53Wild
07:55Wild wild
07:57It's an amazing movie. Okay, so wild is basically this woman's journey. Oh
08:04It's you know, I'm a smooth movie. Yeah
08:06About Cheryl. Yeah. Yeah, so it's like her journey of like finding herself, but like for me, I feel like it's
08:15Like this beautiful story of
08:18So many experiences lots of ugly and really painful and heavy parts and also some amazing beautiful parts
08:25And in the end, it's just an amazing story that helped her become who she was
08:29Everything everywhere all at once everything everywhere all at once. It's just chaos and we are just busy
08:37Constantly, but I love it. I was thinking about this one for you. I was just thinking about legally blonde
08:42I got better. I got better. Okay, and Batman returns
08:47If you don't die the hero you live long enough to become the villain
08:54Wow
08:57Okay
08:59Do you feel like you're the villain
09:03I
09:05Feel like I'm the villain
09:07I
09:09Feel like I'm the villain
09:11It's
09:14About being villainized. It's not about being the villain. It's about being villainized. You know what?
09:20my mouth runs
09:22Fluidly, it's easy to make fun of somebody who doesn't have a filter
09:27so
09:29Or somebody who's just speaking their truth or we'll see I go through five iterations of my truth
09:35And then I pick one
09:38Well, I think that's been the problem that there's been a lot of iterations of the truth
09:43From you from other people from other wives. I mean it feels it feels like it's all fluid. Yeah, that's fair
09:50Well hold that thought because we're gonna talk about exactly this
09:53I want to show you this clip and then I'll my favorite you know, the clips. Let's watch it. Yes, let's watch
10:01It's just it's it's hard to be accountable for things that you're saying in a passionate moment
10:06But you are being passionate about the people you love
10:11Let's see what the clips or the people you don't love as in this case. Let's take a look and I'll get your reaction
10:19If a polygamist were to find a soulmate and have a soulmate relationship with one of their wives
10:24I don't know what that looks like for their family. I
10:27Was building a family. I wasn't whether I was in love. I loved them. Was I in love with them?
10:34Did I have the same experience with each one no never
10:38That's a hard confession to make when I was working really hard to hide what Robin and I had
10:45While I'm trying to promote
10:48everything else
10:49Honestly, you know, I wonder could some of the things that he's saying
10:54No, I know he never loved us and he never
10:58Forced to marry us. Okay. No. All right. I don't know. I don't believe it
11:03But he's always been so wishy-washy back and forth
11:07When I met you you loved your wives. Yeah, I loved him. Okay
11:12Why are you?
11:14I'm not rewriting the past. I'm not rewriting
11:18I'm being honest about it because we're not to me because that doesn't make sense. All of us are rewriting the past
11:25I mean Mary's rewriting it like crazy. I'm rewriting and I'm sure because yes, I probably loved them
11:31I had Robin convinced. I was in love with them. I'm just I didn't know you didn't know what
11:38What is right what it was like to really have deep divine love okay, I didn't know then
11:48Well, I think all that's pretty fair because um, it's not a matter of rewrite in the past
11:54it's a matter of
11:55Where I was in the breakup. I
11:59Am definitely guilty of going through a breakup scenario where I was like, I never loved them
12:06My state of mind there
12:08It's like just the heart felt like I'm digging in my feelings and going I never loved him and that's because of the space that
12:15we were in
12:18Marriage relationship has to be
12:22Nurtured
12:24Did you nurture those relationships because I I thought it was I realized from the beginning
12:31I
12:33There was some affinity I had for Robin that was significant and in my mind
12:39I wanted to elevate all my relationships to that point and that's what I felt like I was working for
12:46Were you in love with Cody when you got married? I was yeah
12:51Did you think Cody was in love with you? He was
12:54Yeah
12:55So him saying, you know, Mary's rewriting history like crazy. Yeah, I think it's a it's an easy way to
13:03Blow off the fact that he doesn't admit that he really did love me
13:08You know and it's fine. Like I just my big thing is why don't you just say for once that you did and
13:16You changed your mind because that happens that's okay
13:21That's okay to change your mind or that's okay to meet somebody else and fall in a different kind of love and in this deeper
13:28Love that's okay, but you're minimizing me and our relationship and the fact that we started this family
13:34by
13:36Saying it never happened
13:38as far as
13:40Saying that he never loved his wives
13:43Yeah, I feel like that was rewriting past. I feel like that's just pain talking
13:48I feel like that's bitterness talking anger talking. He would say things in front of me all the time
13:52in fact, he told me that when we were courting he actually
13:57Let me know very like quite often that he loved his wife's
14:02I think it was like it was a good test
14:04He said hmm, and I was like all I did was it was like it reaffirmed. It was an aphrodisiac. I
14:10Was like you love your wives great
14:14You're a polygamist so it's kind of like there wasn't supposed to fall. I don't know
14:19I think they I I think the tenant was to love everybody equally right that
14:24Your relationship with all your children is different your relationship with all your friends is different
14:29There are ones that do different things that have different fulfillments and stuff like that. It's it's like
14:36You find higher love and then everybody just slaps you down for it. I'll tell you what
14:41There's a divine aspect about my relationship with Robin and we have been bitch-slapped for it, but I'm sick of it
14:48I know, but I'm like walking around with like I love this woman and I want peace in this relationship, right?
14:53But I'm to the point where I'm walking around flipping two birds because I am so sick and tired
14:59Being guilted for loving Robin. Yes, but you kind of contradicted yourself
15:03But you just kind of said because you said that you couldn't love a person the same we supposed to go
15:08Okay, I was in sales all my life
15:10There was always a better salesman and Christine
15:12I'm supposed to go murder the better salesman because I'm so jealous that he's getting all the deals
15:16But Christine, let's get real. This is bull that just pisses me off Sookie coming up
15:22He said he tried to lift everybody up to the level
15:26So wait the level of Robin is that what he's a level of communication the level of no
15:32I'm just gonna tell you straight up. That's
15:35100% a lie. This was about independent relationships. Everybody wants to make me accountable
15:41Can they listen I'm trying to be accountable make everybody else. I think everybody else is being
15:49I've seen this
15:58It's been very apparent your frustrations your anger your disappointment
16:03But what we've never heard is that the fact that you know
16:06you and Robin really did have that deep love and I think that was really rooted in some of the
16:13Accountability that you did not you cannot ever blame the fact that Robin and I had a deep love on
16:20The way that these other relationships went you can't do that. Not when you're in polygamy you it's not
16:27Help me understand that let's just put it this way
16:30Robin was good at communicating with me and loving me and negotiating with you
16:37Yes
16:38And respecting herself, okay
16:42If another wife wasn't in that space
16:45They still had the opportunity to do it each of these relationships had its own opportunity
16:52For success and failure based upon the two people who were married
16:57He says the reason that this whole relationship with Robin works is because they have communication
17:02They have negotiation and self-respect
17:06What self-respect like I respect myself he respects himself, obviously
17:10You have self-respect, but did he respect you that? I don't know. Honestly, I didn't realize such a weird and
17:19Embarrassing thing to admit but my life was just wrapped up in
17:23What Cody needed and what he wanted and what the family needed and wanted I was probably more fixated on that man
17:30then okay, I
17:31so much instantly in that so
17:34it was like
17:36Even when he wasn't there
17:37I'd be thinking whenever he gets here
17:40We're gonna do this and this and this because he didn't just insert into my life
17:44He didn't just do whatever we were doing we had to change what we were doing to accommodate him, right?
17:51And that's that's not okay. That's not fair. That's making it so our lives are focused on him
17:56Yeah, and that's frustrating to me and it's embarrassing that I lived it. Yeah, you know, do you feel that he didn't respect you? I
18:04Don't know if it would feel like you would need to I don't know maybe in some roles
18:08Maybe in some ways he did
18:13Did you respect them? Um, I was younger
18:16I think I actually had way more respect for Mary than I did for Janelle and probably way more
18:22Respect for Janelle and Mary than I did for Christine to be fair
18:26Do you think Christine realized that because she felt that every time that you would come over
18:31Every time that you would spend time with her. She was very fixated on you making you happy
18:37Making sure there are things that were special she says. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait. Wait, that's what she says
18:45Yeah, well, okay she was great at cooking me a meal I
18:48Mean, but I don't think she was fixated on my happiness because I was struggling to find happiness because I was always being reminded
18:55That she wasn't happy
18:59So did she subconsciously feel not respected by you
19:03probably
19:05Well, that's a huge problem. Well, I agree I
19:09Don't like that
19:11That's hard. I think it didn't respect me
19:14I'm hoping that there were some times when he did because I did whatever was needed so respected as a mom
19:22Respected as a wife respected just as a person just as an individual
19:26That's one of those things where you look back and you wonder I don't know
19:30I mean foreign to me into who I am now, so I found respect for myself
19:37Maybe I just realized that he wasn't going to respect me and so developing that on my own. Yeah, I
19:44Don't think that he always did respect me. Did you respect yourself?
19:49There were times that I didn't know
19:52You know when I was going through my darkest time, you know, eight nine ten years ago
19:56Like I did not respect myself, you know, and I I thought that I wasn't worthy if I didn't do
20:03This that or the other then I wasn't worthy to be in the family
20:08And there was a lot of people that were placing that on me as well
20:11And I was taking it, you know, and I was putting that on my shoulders. This was about independent relationships
20:18Everybody wants to make me accountable can think listen. I'm trying to be accountable make everybody else
20:23I think everybody else is being
20:27Seen I think everybody
20:29Years, I think everybody else is being accountable
20:32They were accountable when they said, you know what we can't I can't do this anymore and I have to leave
20:36Maybe you guys didn't really all grew together
20:40Because of the three things that you had with Robin that you point out to me all the time, which is communication which is negotiation
20:48We we
20:50Self-respect
20:52Well and Christine didn't have self-respect
20:54So Robins Robins the guilty party for making me fall in love with her
20:57but I think during the course of this year Cody is like really starting to realize that that
21:02He didn't love them all the same way like and he didn't love them the same ways. He loved you
21:07I think I think for a long long time
21:11He told me that he tried really hard to bring the other relationships up to what he thought
21:17you know our relationship is and was and
21:21He was trying to he wanted that with all of the relationships, but it was just like, you know
21:27Relationships is based on the two people in that relationship. So I don't know
21:32He said he tried to lift everybody up to the level
21:36So the level of Robin, is that what yeah the level of communication the level of now
21:42I'm just gonna tell you straight up. That's
21:45100% a lie. He didn't that was not the truth. He was not available
21:52nor present nor
21:55Accommodating to make that happen. He said that before and I'm like when
22:00When when is there time to do that?
22:03There was not time or opportunity or willingness to make that happen. That is just not true. Absolutely not
22:11I felt like he was interested in developing a more of a deeper richer
22:16Whatever relationship with me because I felt from the second that Robin came into family his focus was on her
22:21And he was like, hey, hey, you know, what is this? Yeah
22:26But Cody did share with me that when Robin came into the family and he was experiencing this
22:32Divine love this special love that he wanted to raise every wife up to that level and share the same
22:40Experience that he had with Robin would have been nice to be communicated that back then
22:43I mean, that's revisionist history now to his friends back. Well, I tried I wanted to but they just didn't want to come along
22:50So you never experienced him trying to raise you up. No, he never talked about that with me. I
22:58Don't think that that's fair for him to even say that why oh because we're all supposed to be
23:06Robin I'm sorry. I am Mary
23:10I'm not going to be Robin. I don't want to be Robin. I'm gonna be my own individual person. I don't want to be her
23:18If they're great together, that's awesome, I think that's really an unfair statement
23:23But in polygamy, can it be equal but different only if he accepts Mary and he didn't accept to marry and he didn't
23:31for
23:33The past 12 or 14 years or maybe even more
23:38Because what he's saying now is that
23:43He never loved me he
23:46Wished that he had never married me, you know, that's really cruel to come to that realization and
23:54Never share that
23:56Well, you know minor tidbit of information with me. That's that's really cruel thing to do
24:03Coming up, but she felt like after the divorce was granted you married Robin legally
24:10Nothing changed after that you kind of moved out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop
24:17Stop. Stop. That's a lie. That's gaslighting that she has done to herself
24:23It's done to herself. I
24:26I
24:30Feel like the season you finally made that decision to separate it it was almost like a realization, you know
24:37For you personally. I want us to watch the clip because there was a certain word that was used
24:43That he wasn't very happy about when it came to getting that spiritual release. Okay. All right. Let's talk about it afterwards. I
24:52I
24:53Had moved on a long time ago, but let's just be honest here. I was afraid of what she would do
25:01If I ripped off that band-aid, you know, I'm at a place that like let's just separate this completely
25:08I got a phone call from the church leader who said we've
25:13Given Mary a release
25:15They did say that it was on the grounds of abandonment and I know he doesn't like that word I feel like he did
25:26Mary and I after that divorce left Robin and went to dinner together after we had signed that paperwork
25:32I gave her a special ring symbolize something special for us
25:36We probably went home and made love. I mean, I'm just like going. Okay, what like we're not
25:41breaking this up
25:43Where we are now is I actually like you
25:49Yeah, God's be praised well I didn't for six years at all
25:54I was trying to make it was more than that. I don't know how we define ourselves with each other from here
26:02We're exes
26:04Let's be real
26:06I'm embarrassed that my other divorces
26:11have
26:13Created
26:17Contempt and contemptuous enemies. Yeah, I'm sad about that
26:23Okay
26:25This is my frustration where he says like I couldn't leave her because of my
26:31Church beliefs, but then he's like I don't believe in the church. So why are you doing this divorce?
26:36He didn't want me to do that divorce process through the church because he didn't believe in the church
26:42Now, why are you so?
26:45Stuck on I can't leave my wives when I don't want to be with them because the church says so like it's his double
26:52Standard and this whole thing about like he's afraid of what she would do and I'm like, okay
26:58That was a stupidest comment. Like that was so insulting. Like what am I gonna do? I don't know
27:05That's what we're all trying to figure out what the heck he meant by that
27:08Why do you think Cody would say he was so afraid? Oh, yeah, that's the zinger. I'm like, what she's
27:16Like what do you think she's gonna do? You're not an adult you can't
27:21You know handle that. I don't know
27:24She's trying to paint her like some sort of psychotic
27:27Killer, I don't know
27:29I don't know when your first reaction to that clip was the word afraid, you know, and I it's it's it's
27:35What does he mean by that? What do you think of me? So Mary, we just didn't ever know if she was going to be
27:42Easy or hard. So we were we were walking on eggshells a lot because we never really knew I don't want was it
27:49Because I don't want to damage her life. I don't want to do that because she's a different person now
27:53I think she's really made strides as an individual to change her life
27:57And so throwing her under a bed and throwing her on the floor. I don't know
28:01I think she's really made strides as an individual to change her life
28:06And so throwing her under a bus is not what I want to do
28:09Because I think she's trying so hard and I want her to have the best life possible
28:15When we had our legal divorce
28:20I literally was telling the family this nothing changes
28:25I came to the feeling that maybe mary just didn't believe that because
28:30She shifted
28:32Something changed after that very very much
28:36Whatever I
28:38What what shifted I have to ask you that I don't want to tell you because I want to protect mary
28:43Because we are friends now
28:45and I am sick of being asked and I'm sick of telling people a story that mary has
28:50Moved herself away from and she doesn't believe it
28:54It's it's it's it's foreign to her
28:58and
29:00And i'm i'm seeing some things that bother me where she's going from friend to friend to friend
29:06Now that we're broke up
29:08complaining about it
29:10And it's a pattern that was part of our lives
29:13That was part of our lives
29:1625 30 years ago where she would go from friend to friend to friend complaining about me
29:21But what do you think about mary getting this awesome release? That's awesome. She felt she needed to that is incredible good for her
29:26I'm, glad she did it. I think it's awesome. It was on abandonment because that was the truth. She was abandoned
29:32We were all abandoned so I I could have gotten it on abandonment, too
29:36absolutely
29:37Explain the word abandonment. Yeah, so abandoned he just didn't go over to her house anymore at all
29:44And she's right talking about after she did the divorce
29:49I I felt like that was really the beginning of the downfall, you know
29:54You know the terms is of abandonment. Mm-hmm. Do you feel cody abandoned mary? Um
30:00Um
30:05You know, i'm just not gonna hit that right now just
30:09because there is
30:12Differing opinions about what happened back then
30:15and out of respect for both of them i'm just gonna
30:18You know, so
30:20Yeah
30:21You went back you made love
30:23He gave you a piece of jewelry
30:25and he really thought that
30:27You guys would get back on track that was just weird commentary from him
30:32On we'll just say that but okay. Did you make love then? I don't remember that was like
30:3810 years ago
30:41But I mean it's a pretty monumental thing that you
30:44Signing divorce papers and why is he listen we made an agreement like early on
30:51We weren't going to talk about bedroom stuff and he just keeps bringing it up and I don't talk about it
30:56Like I I think it's
30:58Crude. Okay. I mean here's the thing. He says now
31:02That he didn't love me all those years before right and
31:07He was just trying to affirm
31:09That he loved me or whatever all these things so
31:13From what he says about that that completely makes sense and he didn't want to be married to me legally
31:19And he was afraid of what I would do
31:22Was he afraid that I would not sign those divorce papers
31:28was
31:29I going to be holding him hostage
31:31I mean it would the whole thing surrounding that legal divorce
31:36And all the commentary has been difficult and hurtful and I can't help but wonder if there was some sort of
31:44Idea of a plan on his part. I don't know
31:47um
31:48But it just makes you wonder but she felt like
31:52After the divorce was granted you married robin legally
31:56Nothing changed soon after that you kind of moved out. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
32:02Stop stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. That's a lie. That's gaslighting that she has done to herself
32:09Something happened and I was kicked out of that house
32:13I was laying in bed at night refusing to leave her house
32:19And something was going on that I will not speak of anymore because i've spoke of it enough and she
32:25Has convinced herself it never happened
32:28I love her. She is my friend. We have moved different directions. I'm not willing to talk about it anymore
32:34Go to the old episodes
32:36I'm, not talking about it anymore
32:38We're never
32:40Never we'll never agree on why we broke up ever
32:45She told the leaders of my church that she had been abandoned fine, I don't care
32:52Coming up, but doesn't the church release one person for abandonment like like mary spiritually? No, not always
32:58No, no explain that
33:00It's because she asked for it's because of what she said
33:03Did the catfishing thing stop you?
33:06From going over mary's house. Was that the catalyst me out?
33:10That was the catalyst I was in my bed listening to her giggle on the phone upstairs all night long
33:19What do you think about mary's statement, uh about coding having an ulterior motive
33:24Uh when she actually gave up her rights to marriage with robin see
33:29I remember mary saying that she had had some very strong spiritual
33:34um
33:35Impressions, right? I remember her saying that it was her idea and maybe that was suggested to mary
33:41And that's why she started to feel like maybe she should do it
33:44but honestly
33:46I don't think cody's sophisticated enough to create that kind of a manipulation
33:50I really don't I just don't think he's a schemer like that
33:55I think it was planned
33:57You know, I wonder honestly because when robin first came into the family
34:01She would talk about other examples where a guy would divorce his first wife
34:08And marry the wife coming in and it was a beautiful thing so they could adopt the kids and i'd be like
34:13Huh?
34:14And she said that story she had stories like that. She's like, oh, yeah that happens all the time
34:18I've seen that happen in numerous things
34:21Where she lives i'm like I never heard of that before and she brought it up a few more times through the years
34:26And then it happened mary's like this is my idea and i'm like
34:29Hmm
34:30I love that. She did that and that's one of those things where you try and hold that separate
34:36I don't know how much of it she says it was her idea
34:40But I heard it often too
34:42Did you put that out there?
34:44No, I I I don't even remember talking about this
34:48I think
34:50there was a knowledge about it because
34:53Cody's dad did it
34:54but I don't remember like sitting there talking about like
34:58I mean, I know of people that have done it, but I don't I don't remember talking about christine recalls you talking about it
35:05Oh, okay. Okay
35:07No
35:08No
35:09So were there rumors? It wasn't it wasn't robin bringing that up
35:15I've seen different things like that happen myself
35:19but it christine kind of alluded to like there were seeds being planted like it felt like you know that she was
35:26Kind of pushing for something robin to happen within the family
35:32I I don't know. I don't know
35:36Christine must have a reason to feel like that. I'm not gonna say she's right or wrong. I don't know
35:43Why does that word hit so hard and deeply for abandonment for cody because he is
35:50somebody who's
35:52present
35:53And it really will in a very real way
35:57And I think because of their differing opinions about what happened then that's why it also bothers him
36:02So but doesn't the church release one person for abandonment like like mary spiritually? No, not always
36:10No, explain that it's because she asked for it's because of what she said
36:14That they gave it to her
36:17Again, that's the whole
36:19them and their
36:21Their disagreement about what happened
36:24in his head
36:25You know, uh, she kicked him out
36:28And in her head she was saying I need space so I don't know
36:32Hey, I was regular at everybody's house until mary the catfishing thing
36:35And then I was mary regular at the other three houses regular regular regular all the catfishing thing stop you
36:43From going over mary's house. Was that the catalyst me out?
36:47That was the catalyst. I was in my bed listening to her giggle on the phone
36:51upstairs all night long
36:53I was like she's not in our bed
36:56and like
36:57Listen, there becomes a there comes a
37:00Dysfunction. Okay in your communication when there's so much animosity. You can't even talk to each other
37:06She asked me to leave I was kicked to the curb
37:09It appeared to be something that she claims it wasn't
37:14Because me who had already felt like there had been a betrayal and I was wondering if we had a future
37:21Mary the spot mary should be frustrated is the length of time. It took me to tell her finally that it was never going to happen
37:29I had a commitment to marriage when I married cody. I didn't
37:34Plan on getting divorced. There was a time that I was in a very very dark place
37:41And I needed to get through that and then I saw a time when
37:45I perceived him to be in a very
37:48I perceived him to be in a very very dark place, you know, like after flagstaff, you know
37:54To me marriage is like you stick through it and you make it work
37:58I didn't realize until you know this past year and seeing some of the things that he's saying
38:03um
38:04that
38:06He wasn't interested in doing that and I think that that was and I don't want to put
38:11Blame on him, but in this situation
38:15I'm comfortable putting the blame on him
38:17Coming up don't go down that road
38:19We're trying to heal things
38:21Then I if I can't talk freely then let's just leave it as I don't really want to this happens every time
38:27The kids talk to him about robin
38:29Or I talk to him. It's like he just doesn't want to go there. That's his sacred cow. She's perfect
38:34Don't dare talk about her and i'm like well, dude
38:37How do you expect to be and i'm like well, dude, how do you expect to be in a plural marriage with me?
38:41um
38:44Janelle actually has talked about you know a relationship that was very complicated and that
38:49You know, I asked her. Is there any hope of reconciliation?
38:52Because that's the space that I think you were in
38:55I I'd swear and I go I hope janelle recognizes it
38:59but we had a renaissance in las vegas and we weren't good for the
39:0410 years prior
39:06We were good there
39:08I don't know what went wrong between us
39:12But it made me angrier angry and angry until I was just like yeah, i'm done
39:17and
39:18She was too
39:20It seems like the two of you were missing each other
39:23Yeah, and you weren't on the same page. No, you were not and these clips kind of prove it
39:27Let's take a look at them and revisit them and then we'll talk about that
39:32What about you and me?
39:34I don't I mean, I don't think we even exist in the same universe anymore
39:40We've had so many conversations where i've said it's done we're done we're not compatible and he's agreed and he's like, yeah, it's really sad
39:47I think it's it's a fake discussion for both of us. And the reason is is because I think both of us
39:53I'm telling you my heart's truth
39:56Don't want to be the one that's accountable for breaking up
40:00He wants a wife that acts differently than I do
40:03so
40:04It's it's over don't go down that road. We're trying to heal things
40:09More destruction is going to help us here. Okay, then I if you if I can't talk freely then let's just leave it as I don't
40:14really want to
40:16This happens every time the kids talk to him about robin
40:21Or I talk to him. It's like he just doesn't want to go there. That's his sacred cow. She's perfect
40:25Don't dare talk about her and i'm like, well dude, how do you expect to be in a plural marriage with me?
40:31if you have this
40:32This person that you worship like there's a bias and I I don't want to do that anymore
40:39A bias
40:42Janelle has a card. It says victim on it. She likes to play it
40:46But I just don't know if we really work
40:48Because I don't feel like I ever would be on a equal playing ground
40:53All I can think is that it's somehow driven by his ego
40:57In some regards especially coming from the culture that we come from
41:00He's a failure to have lost all his marriages
41:03except for the one
41:06She likes to throw around words like ego failure
41:11It's a shared failure
41:13And it could be just as simple as hey, listen, we didn't know each other well enough and we made a combination
41:18Based upon certain factors and we have the children and we have the life and we've got this experience and now it's over
41:25Me not wanting to give up
41:27Was way more about my
41:29children
41:31And my family than it was about my ego
41:34And my failures as a polygamist
41:38Do you think cody is a failure?
41:40in
41:41not
41:43Making those marriages work
41:45um, I feel like
41:48I feel like we're all failures. Not just cody. I think that's funny because
41:53It takes two to make a relationship and it takes two to break a relationship
41:57See, that's just I feel like another button to push
42:00And i'm just like k-y that doesn't need to be said
42:03And you know things that he's saying like that doesn't need to be said, you know
42:07I'm, like just guys can just stop like this is so destructive
42:11Can I ask you a question?
42:13Why don't you watch these clips at all? They're too disturbing
42:17It's too hard
42:23It's just it's just destructive
42:28It's just really hard
42:31Destructive for you to rehash it. Yeah to see people. I love sitting there crap talking each other and
42:46It's just very toxic in these in these instances that he's talking i'm like
42:53He's not distraught
42:54About this relationship and i'm definitely not wearing a victim card just because I want
42:59My feelings and boundaries and emotions respected. I don't think that's being a victim
43:03I don't that's how he I really do wonder if it's his ego
43:07Like he either is running interference so hard for robin and trying to take the fall
43:13So that robin doesn't get any blame because I think they're both culpable for their actions
43:17I think they both have done things just like we all have
43:20Or I don't know it's like his ego. Like I said, he really would be considered he doesn't embrace the culture
43:25Everybody has left the church
43:28but he is a failure as far as
43:31What's expected of a man who enters into plural marriage?
43:38Next time on sister wives one-on-one
43:41In the religious world if you've got a guy who three of his wives leave it's a problem with a man
43:46You mentioned running interference for robin, how do you see that?
43:50I think in a lot in a lot of ways he's made himself even more
43:54Villainous, I guess to kind of take away some of the blame from her. This is just gospel according to them
44:00We had something special
44:04Were you surprised at his reaction it was very confusing to me I was like what is happening here
44:11What did you think about that when he was getting that emotional?
44:13Yeah, i'm like, you know what buddy you need to turn a mirror on yourself
44:17You wonder what ended this era and it was you
44:20You picked favorites. Cody was always telling everybody that I was somehow calling the shots on the money
44:26He's attacked all of his wives that are leaving in the area that hurts them the most
44:30When you're bringing up the dramatic things in your life
44:33There are certain things that you want to say are sacred cows. We're not going to talk about sex
44:37We're not going to talk about money
44:39Now sex and money are on the table, I guess
44:42Was it about looks that were important for cody cody was always very focused that you were cleaned up and put together
44:50especially camping that when I remember that because he was like
44:54Oh robin took the time and put her makeup on and like i'm sorry that i'm not put together
44:59And how about the whole camping thing? Oh that that sounds that's not true
45:05There's a lot more to their love story than we really know
45:09I think that it was a love story from the very very very beginning and they had to just hide it
45:15Robin and cody had a very long courtship compared to the rest of us
45:18If I had a year with cody, i'm not sure I would have married him. Honestly
45:22Ooh
45:23Robin keeps reminding me you have kids together. You are going to be connected forever. Yes
45:29And i'm like well
45:32God help us
45:38So
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