Глава БАПОР опасается, что Газа может перестать быть «землей для палестинцев»
Филипп Лаззарини заявил Euronews, что планы Израиля в отношении Газы являются «антиутопическими» после того, как Нетаньяху заявил о намерении контролировать всю палестинскую территорию.
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Филипп Лаззарини заявил Euronews, что планы Израиля в отношении Газы являются «антиутопическими» после того, как Нетаньяху заявил о намерении контролировать всю палестинскую территорию.
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00:30Filippo Lazzarini, thank you for joining us on the Europe Conversation.
00:35Now, I'd like to start with the situation in Gaza.
00:38We know that Israel has been blocking the entry of all humanitarian aid since the 2nd of March.
00:45That's 11 consecutive weeks now.
00:48Now, I know you're personally banned from entering Gaza, but you have colleagues there on the ground.
00:53From what they tell you, how would you describe the situation for people in Gaza as we speak?
01:01That's correct. We have 12,000 employees still in Gaza.
01:05What they describe is beyond imagination.
01:09In fact, as you said, there have been now a total siege imposed on Gaza since 11 weeks, which means nothing entered, which means that there is no food available anymore.
01:22Now, hunger is deepening.
01:25We heard last week from the nutrition expert that half a million people are living in catastrophic situations, and the rest of the population also might face famine if this siege continues,
01:38which means that the daily life of the people in Gaza is to struggle to survive, to make sure that they are not killed by bombing, by disease, or now by hunger.
01:51Now, the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that he will now let basic amounts of food enter,
01:59and that's while a new operation backed by the U.S. and Israel is preparing to start distributing aid.
02:08Do you believe this restricted amount of supplies that will now go in will do anything to change the humanitarian situation you've just described?
02:17Well, first of all, it's a total outrage that we are confronted to a situation of starvation when it comes to Gaza.
02:24It's a completely fabricated one, it's man-made, basically we are in a situation where hunger and food is being weaponized for political and military purposes.
02:37Now, today we heard that some basic assistance will come in.
02:41We have to define what the basic is, because what is needed in Gaza is a massive, unhindered, uninterrupted assistance and supply
02:52to make sure that we are reversing the trend of the spreading hunger in the Gaza Strait.
02:58But the Israeli Prime Minister is saying that it has to block aid, because Hamas and other militant groups are hijacking that aid,
03:07looting the aid and even monetizing that aid.
03:10Do you think that the safeguards UNRWA had in place to prevent Hamas from accessing and diverting the aid were as strong as possible?
03:24First of all, nothing justifies that we use food or deprive an entire population of having access to food to the extent that we are starving the population
03:36for any purposes of any kind as a starting point.
03:41There is a basic right in any situation, in situation of crisis, and also a basic obligation to provide access and make sure that humanitarian assistance reaches the people.
03:54Now we hear about the accusation of diversion of food in Gaza.
04:01There is no UN agencies who have heard about any large-scale diversion.
04:06What we have seen at the beginning of the ceasefire, when there was not enough food in the Gaza Strait,
04:13there have been a situation of looting, where desperate people were just jumping on the trucks and taking the food.
04:23But we have never, ever been notified of any diversion.
04:27Now, Israel, with the backing of the US, has established a new plan,
04:31which would use a charity called the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, as well as private firms,
04:38in order to deliver aid to the people.
04:40But you've said that you cannot support this plan. Why is that?
04:44Well, the UN cannot support this plan because it's far from meeting any basic humanitarian principle,
04:53including humanity and impartiality.
04:56Today we are talking about four hubs in the Gaza Strip, forcing people to walk kilometers to have access to the hub
05:06and to carry on very heavy parcels back to the family, which means with a system like this one,
05:15only those close to the hub will have access to assistance.
05:19And secondly, the weakest, the most vulnerable of the female household will have absolutely no possibility to go there.
05:29You say you cannot support this plan, it's not impartial.
05:32Yet Israel says or accuses UNRWA of not being impartial, of not being neutral.
05:40It says that UNRWA's operations in Gaza are inevitably compromised by Hamas, which governs there.
05:46It says proof of that is the fact that the agency fired 19 employees suspected of taking part in the October 7th attacks on Israel.
05:58Can you accept that all of this makes it very difficult for Israel to trust UNRWA?
06:03There is a war of narrative. There is a propaganda going on.
06:08There is also an objective to eliminate an organization like UNRWA because by eliminating UNRWA,
06:16Israel also aims at stripping the refugee status of the Palestinians.
06:21Now, having said that, we are taking any allegation very seriously.
06:26The famous 19 names you are mentioning right now, there have been investigation.
06:33Investigations have been non-conclusive, but we have taken action.
06:37Later on, there have been allegations of hundreds of names.
06:42Constantly, the agency is asking for substantiated information we never receive.
06:48Hence, we are not in a possibility to follow up just on allegations being provided that way.
06:57Yet there is a 72-page document publicly available on the Israeli government's website.
07:02It says it contains abundant proof of how Hamas has infiltrated UNRWA.
07:10Are you saying that you're contesting all of that evidence that Israel says it has?
07:16I'm not contesting everything.
07:20What I'm saying is, number one, we are not operating in a no-risk environment,
07:25but we have a no-tolerance policy.
07:29Whenever there is an allegation that a staff might be part of the armed group of Hamas or the G.I.D.s,
07:37we will act quickly and smoothly.
07:40But for that, we need collaboration, we need information.
07:46And over the last two years, I have repeatedly asked the government of Israel
07:52to share information with the UN and or with UNRWA so that we can undertake investigation.
08:00Until today, we have never received any substantiated information.
08:05Now, you mentioned there is a full-scale military operation underway.
08:10Euronews exclusively saw a plan for Gaza's future last week,
08:15which is being considered by the Israeli government.
08:18It suggests the IDF could take control of the whole of Gaza
08:22and force civilians into designated security zones.
08:26There are signs now that this plan is underway.
08:29How do you respond to this?
08:31Well, there are many plans that we have seen until now.
08:35Some of them are more dystopian than other ones.
08:40I do not know what it means to send people in a secure zone.
08:45Until now, Gaza has proven that there is absolutely no safe place.
08:51Israel said last year that there is a safe humanitarian zone in the south of Gaza,
08:56but we have also seen that it has been regularly targeted, bombarded,
09:01and even people living on the tent have been killed.
09:05So what I see for the time being is a continuation of the destruction of the deaths
09:13and killing of the Palestinians in Gaza.
09:16And my fear is that we might reach a point where Gaza might not be a land anymore for Palestinians to live in.
09:26Do you believe Donald Trump when he says he can take care of the situation in Gaza?
09:32I do believe that President Donald Trump has the necessary influence to change the situation in Gaza
09:43and to make sure that the siege be lifted and that the population get access to the assistance it deserves.
09:50You've previously said that UNRWA is living its darkest hour.
09:55Today, is UNRWA still able to deliver for Palestinian refugees given all of these difficulties?
10:04Despite the fact that the agency is experiencing its darkest hours,
10:10our staff, despite the fact that it is exhausted, it is anxious,
10:16and they are also struggling to stay alive,
10:20they are able to provide services to the community, even today in Gaza.
10:25But under the current financing system,
10:28how long can UNRWA continue to operate as things stand right now?
10:31That's a very good question.
10:33I'm hoping that we will be able to stay afloat,
10:36to continue to provide our services to the communities.
10:39The shortfall today is more than $200 million
10:43to keep our education and primary health services across the region.
10:50It's a race against the clock,
10:52and I really hope I will not be pushed in a situation
10:56where I have to announce the suspension of our services.
11:01But that is something you've had to contemplate?
11:04This is something I, unfortunately, have to contemplate on a regular basis.
11:09What would be your message to those Western governments,
11:13as we are seeing right now,
11:14that are currently cutting back on humanitarian aid funding?
11:19Well, the main message is do not compromise our ability to respond to crisis.
11:25I know that many countries are going through austerity budget,
11:29but cutting in international cooperation or humanitarian assistance
11:34is certainly not the area where countries should cut.
11:40I mean, for example, if we do not address the crisis,
11:43people will want to want to leave and most likely come here,
11:49and then the cost will be much more expensive.
11:52Mr. Vattarini, thank you for your time.
11:54Thank you.
11:54Mr. Vattarini, thank you.