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00:00Namaste sir. We are process and we are governed by certain principles. Offlet, I've been hearing
00:15a lot of news about AI and one thing that strikes me is the fact that one AI process
00:25could be fed into another AI process and if the Turing test determines the sentient capability
00:34of consciousness, self-awareness, etc., of a machine, then one machine could inherently
00:41become a lot more capable, sort of super conscious than the previous one because that's something
00:47that human beings can't do. We cannot transfer the complete brain to the another one. So
00:51my question was, sir, in this whole notion of consciousness, self-awareness and volition
00:58and moral ethics conduct, etc., I seem to see machine to be overpowering human beings in
01:07the sense that human beings have created something but in a way it has created something more dangerous,
01:14which is kind of overpowering the sense of our own belonging as a human being. I definitely
01:24see this tinkering with the laws of nature, the Prakriti and everything is kind of really causing
01:30a lot of challenges to the world. I just wanted to hear your views on where AI is taking the
01:35world today with regard to the humanity and whether it's leading to the progress or in
01:42the downward spiral.
01:44I do not think I am very clear with the question. In what sense do you think that AI is overpowering
01:52human consciousness?
01:54What I think, sir, is essentially what I am kind of looking for is to have a better
02:03consciousness, to become a better self-aware person. And when I look at some human machine,
02:10which is almost imbibing, I mean replicating my own sense of consciousness, self-awareness,
02:16et cetera, somewhere I get the sense, I also get perturbed that machine itself is, you know,
02:23more powerful than me in terms of its super consciousness power.
02:27What do you mean by super consciousness power? That's where the haziness is. What do you mean
02:32by super consciousness power?
02:34Super consciousness as in one machine has been created and the capability of it has been fed
02:41into another machine.
02:43Capability with respect to what?
02:46With respect to the initial learning or the AI has actually gotten.
02:54It can perform tasks.
02:57Right, sir.
02:58So how is that challenging human consciousness?
03:06Because the simulation of the Turing test itself says that, you know, at certain point,
03:13it is almost replicating the human being in terms of fooling the human beings in a sense that…
03:19It's replicating that part of human consciousness that is any way very mechanical or replicable.
03:27That which is replicable in you will be replicated. For example, a statue can be made that looks just like you,
03:37because your body, your physical features are all replicable.
03:41So somebody will replicate them.
03:43How does that threaten you?
03:44You are not that within you, which can be replicated.
03:53And if there is something that can be replicated, that is not you.
03:58So let that be replicated.
03:59What's the problem?
04:03Somebody makes a statue.
04:04How does that threaten your existence?
04:08Somebody clicks a photograph.
04:10How does that threaten your existence?
04:11That looks like you, but that's not you.
04:14Somebody downloads the entire content of your memory.
04:21That's possible.
04:25Each passing day, that's becoming more and more possible.
04:29The entire content of your memory can be downloaded.
04:39But that's not you.
04:44Right.
04:47Or your genetic material can be taken.
04:49And a clone can be raised.
04:50But that's not you, again.
04:54How does that threaten you?
04:58So go to Nirvana Shatkam.
05:03When such doubts arise and worries,
05:07you need to know what you are not.
05:10And that which you are not, let that be copied.
05:15Or substituted.
05:17Or outsourced.
05:19Or whatever.
05:24Somebody copies my voice.
05:27How does that threaten me?
05:31Am I my voice?
05:35Am I my voice?
05:36Am I my voice?
05:40So, Nirvana Shatkam.
05:42And when you can discount everything that you are not,
05:45then there is.
05:46Chidananda Rupa, Shivoham, Shivoham.
05:50Mind you, nobody can halt the march of science and technology.
05:55All that science can do, it will do.
05:58There is no need to feel threatened.
06:02You will be cloned.
06:03You will be replicated, duplicated, substituted.
06:12Therefore, you must come to that within you, which is alone.
06:18Not transferable.
06:21Not available to be duplicated.
06:27What is that?
06:29That's who you are.
06:33All else is just, you know, stuff that you are attached to.
06:44And stuff is stuff.
06:45Just, I had another question.
06:50You did mention that there's a dance in Prakriti.
06:54Everything is entertainment.
06:56There's fun.
06:58But the ego is always in a quest of sorrow.
07:02I mean, the whole existence of ego is because there's a sorrow.
07:06If the sorrow dissolves, the ego dissolves, etc.
07:10Then, sir, my question was, when I look at the liberated person, I mean, maybe, I mean, correct me, please, please correct me if I'm wrong.
07:17Normally, I see a sense of, you know, not sort of an anand or happiness in their face.
07:25It's always that there is some sort of sorrow in their face as opposed to what Prakriti is indicating.
07:31That, you know, you have to rejoice, you have to be not in grief.
07:37But when I look at them, I mean, it's just like, it's kind of contradicting to the message of what Prakriti is giving to them.
07:47So, why is it so, sir?
07:49Is my understanding correct on this?
07:52Look at how the ego operates.
07:54It looks at everything from its own frame of reference.
07:57You go to a person who is rejoicing.
08:03And you say, this person is suffering.
08:06Now, what needs to change?
08:09The
08:12fact
08:15or the definition of suffering.
08:20You go to a person
08:22and as a fact, he is actually rejoicing.
08:25But from your own definition, you say he is suffering.
08:30And because all your definitions are distorted, they are coming from your own center.
08:36Right.
08:38When we rejoice,
08:40that's a kind of very sick celebration.
08:44That sick celebration we do not find in the liberated one.
08:48When we do not find that sick celebration, that maniac celebration, in the liberated one, we declare that that fellow is serious and suffering.
09:00But the fact is that he is rejoicing.
09:02And if you can push your ego aside, then you will say, oh, so this, from this, now I develop my definition of celebration.
09:13Instead you say, I already have a definition of celebration.
09:17And if his condition matches my definition, only then will I agree that he is rejoicing.
09:21Why should his condition match your definition?
09:26You change your definition.
09:28If you find the liberated man serious,
09:32then change your definition to mean seriousness is celebration.
09:36Instead you want to stick to your definition and your definition postulates, I said, a very sick kind of celebration.
09:45In which you are excited, jumping, thumping, romping, inebriated and that you call as partying.
09:55Not that kind of celebration, you usually do not find in the liberated one.
10:00So you say, oh, no, that fellow, you know, he is quite serious and something got wrong with him.
10:07He looks very pensive, probably mournful.
10:11No.
10:12That's where the celebration is.
10:15You adjust your definition.
10:18Are you getting it?
10:19If you find him weeping,
10:23then you change your definition.
10:25Because that's celebration.
10:30That's the
10:33part of it that concerns his state.
10:36Now there is another thing to it.
10:40How do you know his state when he is not in front of you?
10:46Who are you with respect to him?
10:48With respect to him, you are a patient.
10:50You are a student.
10:52You are somebody to be taken care of.
10:54You are somebody to be shown the way.
10:56No.
10:57So it is quite possible that internally he is celebrating.
11:01But when he faces you,
11:05he has to pretend anger.
11:07Who are you?
11:10You are his patient.
11:11He is the doctor.
11:12That's the relationship.
11:14Why will the doctor show his so-called real face to you?
11:20The doctor will show one particular face that you need to see.
11:24Maybe you are of the type that you need to see his angry face.
11:31Maybe if he doesn't show you an angry face,
11:35you will not study or improve or attend.
11:39That does not mean that he is angry.
11:43That means that you need to see an angry face.
11:46Please get the difference.
11:49It's then not about his state.
11:51It's about your requirement.
11:53He does not bother for his state.
11:55He is beyond botheration, right?
11:58But he bothers for your requirement.
12:00And your requirement is that you must see his angry face.
12:04That's what you require to see.
12:06So he will show you an angry face.
12:07But that's the thing about the ego.
12:12It has very little capacity for self-observation.
12:16Instead it wants to get into the mind of the liberated one.
12:20It was Guru Nanak who said,
12:21You may try as hard as you can,
12:24but you will never get to know the mind of the liberated one.
12:28That's from the Adi Granth.
12:31You keep trying, you keep speculating.
12:33And the ego has a serious urge to know what is going on
12:40in the mind of the Buddha.
12:42But you will never know what's there in the mind of the Buddha.
12:49Being who you are, how will you know the mind of the Buddha?
12:54It's a part of essential humility to not even try.
12:57Instead reflect on yourself.
13:08If you find him serious,
13:15do not judge him.
13:17Look at yourself.
13:21If you find him weeping, do not judge him.
13:23Look at the world around him.
13:24And if you find him scolding you,
13:28then look at your own state.
13:31He has no need to scold,
13:36but you have a need to be scolded.
13:41So it's rather
13:43a judgement on you,
13:46not
13:48him.
13:49him.
13:53Understood sir. Thank you so much.