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00:00...is taken on a racial basis.
00:01¿Ok?
00:01¿Do you think they're more persecuted than Uyghurs or Rohingyas
00:05or more persecuted than political dissonance in Cuba
00:09or Venezuela or Nicaragua,
00:11more persecuted than those who would be threatened
00:15should they be returned to Afghanistan by violence by the Taliban?
00:18Well, the problem we face there is the volume problem, ¿ok?
00:21If you look at all the persecuted people of the world,
00:24it's millions of people.
00:25They can't all come here.
00:26And we had refugee programs...
00:28So why prioritize Afrikaner farmers?
00:31Well, because it's a small subset, it's a new issue,
00:33and the president identified it as a problem
00:35and wanted to use it as an example.
00:36But that's different from having these refugee programs
00:38that were basically spending money
00:40to put people up in communities and accommodate them,
00:43and it was acting as a magnet.
00:44Millions of people in this country illegally,
00:46and today the border is sealed.
00:48Let me challenge you, and I'm just going to say for the public,
00:50if you want to understand about the, quote,
00:53persecution of Afrikaner farmers,
00:54go look at the composition of the South African government.
00:58Since July of 2024, there's a government of national unity,
01:02and the opposition party to the ANC,
01:07the Afrikaner party, the Democracy Alliance,
01:09is part of the governing coalition.
01:12They joined the governing coalition a year ago,
01:15and the leader of that party was given the remit
01:19of agriculture minister, John Steenhausen.
01:23He is the leader of the former Afrikaner party,
01:26still widely representing Afrikaners.
01:28He is the minister of agriculture in South Africa right now.
01:32I assert that this claim that there's persecution
01:35of Afrikaner farmers is completely specious.
01:39Are you aware ever during the apartheid era in South Africa
01:43did the United States establish a special program
01:46to allow South African blacks who were treated
01:49as second-class citizens in the apartheid program,
01:52a special program that they could claim refugee status
01:54in the United States?
01:55No, because that was probably in ninth grade,
01:57or eighth grade at the time.
01:58Yeah, well, then I don't expect you to know.
02:00I'll just tell you, never has there been a program,
02:06a special program for Africans to come in as refugees
02:09to the United States.
02:10We've allowed special programs for people being persecuted
02:13for their religion, Soviet-era Jews.
02:16We've allowed special programs for people fleeing
02:19from communism, Cuba, Vietnam, the Soviet Union.
02:25We've never allowed a special program to allow Africans
02:28into the United States in an expedited refugee status
02:32until now.
02:33Afrikaner farmers living in a nation governed by a government
02:38of national unity that includes the main Afrikaner party.
02:42And actually, an even more right-wing Afrikaner party
02:44is also included in the coalition government.
02:47Now, would you agree with me, Mr. Secretary,
02:49that if we're interpreting the statutory phrase,
02:54a well-justified fear of persecution,
02:57we should try to do that in an even-handed way?
02:59I think we should try to do that in the interest
03:01of the national security of the United States.
03:03So does it, does, okay, I agree with you too.
03:07We should.
03:08Should we try to do it in an even-handed way?
03:10So, for example, should we say,
03:12if you're persecuted on the grounds of your religion,
03:16we'll let you in if you're a Christian,
03:17but not if you're a Muslim?
03:19I think that the United States has a right
03:21to allow into this country and prioritize allowance
03:23of who they want to allow to come in.
03:24No, no, but I think there's just a statement.
03:26No, no, but I'm going to ask you,
03:27so a well-justified fear of persecution?
03:30Yeah, they thought their farms were being burned down
03:32and they would be killed.
03:33I think that's a pretty good justification
03:34for wanting to come.
03:35They're afraid for their lives.
03:36And should it be applied in an even-handed way?
03:38That's an easy question.
03:39No, our foreign policy doesn't require even-handedness.
03:42It requires prioritizing the interest of the United States.
03:45Well, wait, but the statutory phrase says
03:45you are entitled to entrance as a refugee
03:48if you demonstrate a well-justified fear of persecution.
03:51No, no, you're not entitled.
03:52So can you have a different standard
03:54based upon the color of somebody's skin?
03:56Would that be acceptable?
03:56Well, I'm not the one arguing that.
03:58Apparently you are,
03:58because you don't like the fact that they're white
04:00and that's why they're coming.
04:00No, I'm just asking you to say
04:00that that would be unacceptable.
04:01Well, no, I would say that the United States-
04:03That would seem to be a very easy thing to say.
04:04The United States has a right to pick and choose
04:06who they allow into the United States.
04:07Even based on the color of somebody's skin.
04:09You're the one that's talking about the color of their skin, not me.
04:11These are people whose farms were being burned down
04:14and they were killed because of the color of their skin.
04:15Well, I'm-
04:16I think you've demonstrated enough.
04:18If you are not-
04:19Well, you've demonstrated enough
04:20because you think anyone should be allowed into this country
04:22for any reason because they met a certain criteria.
04:24Who has said that?
04:24We are going to prioritize people
04:26that come into our country
04:27on the basis of what's in the interest of this country.
04:29That's a small number of people that are coming.
04:31But you said this weekend that there will be more.
04:32But in other cases, it's harder to vet.
04:34In other cases, it's more difficult.
04:36And by the way,
04:36the United States admits people every year.
04:38A million people come to this country every year legally.
04:40A million.
04:40And now there is one group of people
04:43that have an easy pass into this country.
04:46For the first time,
04:47this administration has said
04:48Afrikaners get an easy pass
04:50and refugee programs for the remainder of the world are shut off.
04:55And you can't say to the American public
04:57that we should apply this statute in an even-handed way.
05:00No, I think it should be applied in a way-
05:01No, we shouldn't be shocked.
05:03It should be applied in the national interest of the United States.
05:05Our immigration policy should be based
05:07on the national interest of the United States.
05:09Period.
05:10End of story.