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00:00Our next guest is a best-selling author and journalist whose new novel is entitled London Fields.

00:06I have a copy of it right here.

00:08Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the author, Martin Amos.

00:11Martin, are you here? Are you back there?

00:15Martin, pleasure to see you.

00:17Thank you for being here.

00:19Please have a seat, won't you?

00:20How you doing?

00:22Fine.

00:22Do you find yourself spending a lot of time in the United States these days?

00:26Not as much as I used to since I've had children.

00:30I see. How many kids did he have?

00:31Two.

00:32Boy and girl? Two girls? Two boys?

00:33No, not the perfect family formation, but just two boys.

00:37And is this the great thrill of your life, as everyone says?

00:41It's pretty good, yeah.

00:43Mind you, the people who do PR for children have done a very good job.

00:48I mean, every parent knows that each child is, in fact, heaven and hell at the same time, in the same package.

00:57And the package is usually a diaper.

01:00And the diaper is usually full.

01:03But on the other hand, they're awfully cute and very funny.

01:07You know, I had a conversation with a friend of mine about a week ago on this very topic.

01:10And he has almost a two-year-old boy.

01:12Well, he has a boy who's almost two, I guess.

01:14That's how that works.

01:14And we were talking about changing diapers, and he was telling me far more than I wanted to know on the topic.

01:23And he went on and on and on, and the longer he talked, the more discouraged and depressed he became.

01:30I mean, it's a bad experience, changing a diaper.

01:34But the thing is, I mean, as a new man, you do change your share of diapers.

01:37But the thing is to pick which diaper to...

01:40I mean, if it's a nice little one, you change it.

01:44If the stuff is actually frilling the baby's neck, then you say to the wife, this is one for you.

01:51He actually told me sometimes it comes time to change the baby.

01:56You put the baby up in the little changing table or on the bed or wherever they do it,

02:00and he'll open up the diaper, and he'll close it back up, and he says,

02:03I have to go sit down for a few minutes.

02:05That's what it's like.

02:06To kind of gather his strength to pursue that.

02:09Well, tell us, how are things in Great Britain these days?

02:12What is going on there?

02:13What is the state of life, and how would we find it if we were to go there now?

02:17Well, Great Britain is still there.

02:19Just about.

02:21I mean, I think Americans still do have this touching idea that it's full of dukes and beef eaters

02:27and changing of the guard, and everyone's very polite to everyone else.

02:32It's not really like that anymore.

02:34It's sort of rugged now.

02:35It's...

02:36Tough?

02:36Mean streets.

02:37Yeah.

02:38And why is that?

02:38What causes the change?

02:40Well, it's partly the old witch Margaret Thatcher has...

02:44Has worked her magic over the last 10 years, and it's a different kind of country.

02:53It's a different feel on the street now.

02:55So people do not now like her?

02:58Did they ever like her?

02:59They must have liked her better than they do now.

03:01Do you mean like her or fancier?

03:02Well, appreciate what she's doing.

03:06She's never been popular.

03:07She's...

03:08You couldn't really imagine this in America, but she's won elections from 20 points behind

03:13on personal approval ratings.

03:16The thing seems to be with Thatcher and with the English is that we only understand things

03:21that are bad for us.

03:22We only like things that are bad for us.

03:24The smack bottom is all we...

03:26The tingling bottom tells us that what we're getting is good for us.

03:32You know, that delicious tingle in the bottom that means you've been...

03:37Corrected in the right way.

03:40You've taken your medicine.

03:41It's good for you.

03:42And this is some kind of national policy?

03:46Well, I find it very odd that a woman should rule a country in the way she does, because

03:51I think of women as being caring and provident creatures who think about the future.

03:55And like to, you know, make sure that everyone's got enough to eat.

04:01On the other hand, there remains some doubt whether Mrs. Thatcher is a woman.

04:11And at these summits she attends, I think there's a widespread anxiety that one day she's

04:17going to suddenly march into the wrong toilet.

04:19This is a, you know, Mitterrand of France said that she has the eyes of Caligula and the

04:29mouth of Marilyn Monroe.

04:32Brzezinski, her own Spigniew Brzezinski, said that he thought she was a woman without any

04:37female qualities at all.

04:39In fact, she, this is well known in England, she takes a lot of hormone pills.

04:43So in fact, she's toxic with estrogen.

04:46And this is how I...

04:48What do you believe is the popular view the average citizen holds for the administration

05:02in this country, specifically our vice president?

05:04I'm a big fan of Dan Quail.

05:08So I was, I was down in New Orleans when he was unveiled.

05:15What the hell does that mean?

05:19When they cut the ribbon on him.

05:24His first public act was to be kissed by Barbara Bush and the cameras lingered on him going...

05:30Then he was, he was taken by Bush proudly to the Californian caucus party for him and he

05:42made a speech and the first sentence he uttered in, you know, in his, in his role, his capacity

05:47as vice president was, he said that a challenge faces this country, he said.

05:51Um, are we going to go on to the future or pass to the back?

05:58And he meant back to the past.

06:01He claimed it was a Hoosierism, but, um, and Bush, you know, than whom the English language

06:07has no fiercer enemy.

06:10Even he, I think, was thinking, Christ.

06:15It was only just beginning there.

06:17Martin, we're, we're out of time.

06:18Martin, please come back, I'd like to talk to you some more and, and thank you for being

06:20here tonight.

06:21My thanks also to Carol Liefer.

06:23She'll be at the, uh, Paradise Theater in Boston on Saturday.

06:25My thanks to Steve Guttenberg and everybody in the, uh, trick.

06:28Good night, everybody.

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