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00:10On today's show, you say she's a vile attention seeker that you can't stand.
00:16Oh, no, that's lying. You're the one that probably cheated on me.
00:20So a woman's the father of your baby?
00:22Yeah.
00:23Sophie's never met the child?
00:24No, and she never is meeting the child.
00:30Stay out of my life.
00:31Next time, move on to the top of me.
00:33Does it never happen?
00:34Hello.
00:36Thank you, child. That's what you are.
00:41Your mother says that you are immature.
00:44You need to grow up and you're only after one thing and that's her money.
00:52How can you say that?
00:54You say more than you drink and more than you drink than you own daughter.
00:56That is a load of money.
00:58Oh, no.
00:58Doctor, they're eating up.
01:00I just have to stand in.
01:01You might just recognise my first guest today from a previous encounter on this very stage.
01:30Take a look at this, my friends.
01:33I'm not surprised that for the last year you've dressed as a girl pretty much behind closed doors.
01:37Has that always been the reaction you've got?
01:39Yeah.
01:40But you were close.
01:41You and Matthew were close.
01:43Yeah.
01:44You're having a relationship with a woman and it's a pansexual.
01:46What is pansexual?
01:48What does that mean?
01:49It's a relationship where you're not bothered about the gender and you...
01:55It's the person.
01:55You date with the...
01:57You date the person for their personality.
01:59This is for somebody who woke up one day and went, oh, do you know what?
02:02I want to dress as a woman and upset my family and be a whatever.
02:05This is a person who struggled for years, tried to be what society wanted you to be and then was brave enough to say, this is who I am.
02:14You only get a short life, let me be...
02:16And that thinks it's all right to slag you off.
02:19Yes.
02:19Well, that's not worth Jack.
02:21Do you know why I had to go back into hiding?
02:24Because of my confidence, because of all of the hate I was getting, because of everyone taking...
02:30Well, it's your own fault.
02:32Like, you're the one that's...
02:33This is who I want.
02:35But what if that is who I want to be?
02:37Who are you?
02:38I'm Crystal.
02:38I'm my fiancé.
02:39Basically, you need to either accept her or leave her alone.
02:41You know, you're hurting her, you're hurting your mum, and, you know, you're hurting me as well.
02:47Here's a twist.
02:48You're sure Sophie and Crystal there, they split up following the show.
02:51However, Crystal discovered shortly afterwards that she was pregnant.
02:54Now, they're back because Crystal has had the baby, check this, and is 90% sure that Sophie is the father.
03:01She's here to tell her that whatever the result, she will never allow her to see her daughter.
03:07Confused?
03:07So am I.
03:08Crystal's back on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
03:11I tried last time to do this with kid gloves, which is absolutely right, because it's a very sensitive subject.
03:27You and Sophie were in a physical relationship.
03:31Sophie was transgender, going through the time when she wanted to be.
03:38What do you mean by that?
03:40Well, on the show last time she was dressed as Sophie.
03:43Behind closed doors, she's not dressed as Sophie.
03:46Why are you back today?
03:47You say she's a lying sperm donor.
03:49Yeah.
03:50A vile attention seeker that you can't stand.
03:54So do you.
03:54You're the one, you're the one, you're the one that's lying.
03:58You're the one that probably cheated on me.
04:01Go back home.
04:02Go back home.
04:03Try threatening me again.
04:04Get off.
04:09Where did that come from?
04:13That's basically what I've had to put up with over the past.
04:14Sorry, you were in a pansexual relationship with Sophie last time we met you, which is a relationship based on the person rather than their sexuality.
04:21Sophie was living and dressing as a woman while she was apparently going through gender reassignment.
04:27After the show, you got pregnant by Sophie, who was obviously still, oh God, I'm going to be hopeless at this,
04:32who presumably was still able to perform the male role.
04:36Oh, somebody's going to go, what do you mean the male role?
04:37It's everybody's role.
04:38Whatever, I'm 52.
04:39But now that you've had the baby, what's that all about?
04:44So a woman's the father of your baby?
04:47Yeah.
04:49Why are we here?
04:51Basically, when the DNA results come back that she is the father, she's getting nothing to do with the baby.
04:56Why?
04:56Why is there so much angst?
04:58What you just touched upon it there, you said that she was not, or is not, what she appears to be in public.
05:04You describe her, which I think is fascinating.
05:07She's only doing this for her five minutes of fame.
05:09You describe her as being, well, she's a violent bully.
05:13Yeah.
05:14What do you mean by that?
05:16The abuse and the violence that I got in the relationship, she launched a remote at me because I turned up five minutes late from work.
05:23Really?
05:24It's quite interesting because I was talking about this earlier.
05:27And I'm being complete.
05:28I'm always, I always try and do this show the way I know.
05:30If a bloke was coming out on this show with a conviction or have been accused of that, is it any different when, quite understandably, this person wants to be Sophie, completely support Sophie on that?
05:42Is the reaction different if Sophie has a violent criminal record or tendencies in that way?
05:48Good question.
05:49You say you were controlled throughout the relationship.
05:51What do you mean?
05:52Constantly.
05:53If I was five minutes late, where are you, what are you doing, why are you cheating?
05:55Are you physically violent towards you?
05:57There was physical violence.
05:58Did you report it to the police?
05:59No, because I was scared of her, because of the violence.
06:03You said that when I broke up with Sophie, and it was you who finished the relationship for those reasons.
06:09You slept with somebody quite quickly.
06:10Yeah.
06:11I broke up with you.
06:12Oh, God.
06:13In a minute.
06:13Why are you only 90% sure that Sophie is, I don't know, the far, I don't think I've ever said that.
06:19How can you be 90% sure that Sophie is the father of your baby?
06:22Because about a week after the relationship, I did sleep with somebody else.
06:26Right.
06:27But, and you know what doctors can be like, there's sometimes...
06:29Well, I thought you told my team you had protected sex.
06:32There was one occasion when we didn't.
06:33So you did it more than once?
06:35Yeah, but every other time it was protected.
06:37How many times did you do it?
06:38I don't know, I didn't count.
06:41You get to my age, you can't count.
06:44I mean, you have, with Sophie, have you said the child's yours?
06:48I have, yeah.
06:49But now you're only saying you're 90% sure.
06:51I've always said, from the minute I found out.
06:52How did Sophie react when you said that?
06:54Didn't want nothing to do with it.
06:55They told me that both me and the baby can go and die.
06:59Because she wants nothing to do with me or the child.
07:01And then all of a sudden now wants everything to do with the child.
07:03You said that you put a...
07:05She was...
07:05You put under so much stress, you almost lost the baby through a miscarriage.
07:09Yeah.
07:09And you say, quite vehemently,
07:10she's never having contact.
07:13Based on what?
07:14The violence, and I just don't feel safe around her.
07:17Do you think it would be really...
07:18How old's the baby?
07:19Three weeks.
07:20And Sophie's never met the child?
07:22No, and she never is meeting the child.
07:24You see, it's really, really interesting.
07:27Three weeks ago you gave birth.
07:29You're sat here and you're saying,
07:31this person, Sophie, will never see the child.
07:33The reaction of the people at home and the people in this audience
07:36is very different because of the added dimension of gender reassignment.
07:40Is Sophie still going through gender reassignment?
07:42I don't know.
07:43But you think that was...
07:43I mean, your words, not mine.
07:45You imply that was a con.
07:46Yeah, she dresses like this out in...
07:49Well, today she's dressed like this
07:50than the last time we were on the show.
07:52But yet, behind closed doors,
07:53she's dressed as a man.
07:54Out in the streets, she dresses as a man.
07:56You said to my team,
07:57I think she's a prostitute.
07:59Yeah, she acts like it.
08:01What does that mean?
08:02Basically, anyone she can see,
08:04she'll basically try and...
08:05So...
08:06Can I ask you a question
08:11without anybody thinking badly of me?
08:13How does that work?
08:16It's the way she is.
08:18You offered a sexual...
08:20Come running.
08:21Right, but I mean...
08:22Right.
08:23You don't want her to have custody of this child
08:26on a serious note
08:27because nothing to do with her sexuality
08:30before anybody jumps on that bandwagon.
08:33This is to do with the fact that,
08:35in your mind,
08:35this was a duplicitous person.
08:37This was a person who was not in private
08:39what they appeared in public,
08:40has had, not convictions,
08:42but has had reasons
08:43to be accused of being violent,
08:46controlled you in the relationship
08:47and you say
08:49is not the sort of person
08:50in terms of being a role model
08:51that you want in your child's life.
08:53Is that right?
08:53Stand to you.
08:54Sophie's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
08:56CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
08:58I am the child's parent.
09:05I am having custody.
09:06No, you're not.
09:08I'll take it to court if I have to.
09:09I'll take it to court and throw along.
09:11Bring it.
09:12You're having nothing to do with her in 2013.
09:13Oh, is that the f*** that you were threatening
09:15to put me in a body bag?
09:17Yeah, it was.
09:17Yeah.
09:18Because believe me,
09:18you've made threats like that to me before.
09:20Really?
09:21Yeah.
09:21Where?
09:21When?
09:22You know exactly where and exactly when.
09:23If I was abusive,
09:25why didn't you just call the police?
09:26As soon as you left,
09:27why didn't you call the police?
09:29As soon as you left,
09:30why didn't you call the police?
09:32I'm calling you Sophie.
09:33As soon as you left.
09:34You said that four times.
09:35Sit down.
09:36Making sure it actually sinks in.
09:39Yeah, well, what's actually calling you today?
09:41Sophie, I was trans when I met Crystal.
09:43Now she uses it against me.
09:45What do you mean by that?
09:45This is not about your sexuality.
09:47That's about her.
09:48She said you're a con artist.
09:49I mean, you have to answer that.
09:51Right.
09:51Yeah.
09:52You know what I go through in public.
09:54Let's talk about what needs answering.
09:56And if people don't like the way I'm doing this,
09:58I'm sorry I can only do this job the way I see fit.
10:00This is not about whether you're a man or a woman,
10:03whether you're transitioning.
10:04This is about a person who is violent.
10:09Since when?
10:10You, have you got a violent criminal record?
10:13No.
10:13Have you been arrested for violence?
10:15No, arrested, yes.
10:17Let me ask you the million dollar question.
10:20You are going to have to answer this
10:21because it would be very easy for me
10:23to do this with kid gloves.
10:25Why have social services said,
10:27and I quote, and I've read the transcript,
10:29you should have nothing to do with this child
10:33of three weeks' age.
10:35Tell me why.
10:35Because of previous accusations
10:37that was made against me while I was in the system.
10:39Why do they deem you a risk?
10:40I don't know.
10:41Don't play the sexual card because it's not about you.
10:43I do not know.
10:44Because of previous accusations.
10:46You know exactly why they're telling you you're not.
10:49I'm thinking this is a mother protecting her child, surely.
10:52Why?
10:53Why?
10:53Why?
10:54Why?
10:55Why?
10:55Why?
10:56Why?
10:56Why?
10:57Why?
10:58Why?
10:59Why?
10:59Why?
11:00Why?
11:00I'm here for one thing, and one thing lonely.
11:02We're getting these DNA results, and then you stay out of my age.
11:05Now, one second, let's talk about the DNA.
11:06One thing I will switch it a little bit is that you said to my team,
11:10one minute she says, I am, next minute I say, she says, I'm not.
11:14I don't know which way.
11:14You've got those messages up for me, have you?
11:16The baby is yours.
11:17Because I was three and a half months pregnant when I found out, and you are the only one
11:20I didn't use protection with.
11:22Nice.
11:23When we had sex after the implant was removed.
11:26So you've said that.
11:27Oh God, who's green and who's white?
11:28I'm white, she's green.
11:30Are you?
11:31Or is he green?
11:32I don't know.
11:33I don't know.
11:34I don't know.
11:35To see if it's mine or not.
11:36Sorry, it is not yours.
11:37Got my date.
11:38That's totally different than what you said before.
11:40Because I was sick of the harassment and I wanted her out of my life.
11:43That was just a few weeks ago.
11:44What I'm trying to say is.
11:45You lied to me about it then.
11:47So Sophie could say quite justifiably, you tell me one thing, then you tell me the next.
11:51Yeah.
11:52And Crystal could say quite justifiably, actually, I don't think I want a person with that sort
11:57of reputation in my child's life.
11:59And you could, there's also, why didn't you say that?
12:01Why didn't you lie down and have unprotected sex with somebody who was violent?
12:05All sorts of things you could say.
12:08All sorts of things you could say.
12:10There's right and wrong on both sides here, isn't there?
12:13Yeah.
12:14We're here again with a kid, barely a month of age, stuck in the middle of this war.
12:19Yes.
12:20That's what today should be about.
12:21That I believe should be able to see and have contact with both its biological parents.
12:26No.
12:27You're not having anything to do with her.
12:28Why?
12:29You don't even know what sexuality you are.
12:31Why would I bring my daughter, my daughter, into your life and don't even know what you are?
12:35Well, if the DNA says that Sophie is the father, however weird that might sound if you just
12:39tuned in, she's not just your daughter, is she?
12:41Yeah.
12:42No, she's not.
12:43She's got nothing to do with you.
12:44But hold on a second.
12:45That's not.
12:46I don't care.
12:47I don't care.
12:48But why did you have unprotected sex with a person who you're now on national television?
12:51You're almost now saying, Sophie, you're not right.
12:54Why didn't you say that before?
12:56Now there I do have sympathy.
12:57I was stupid and I was scared of her because of violence.
13:00Really.
13:01When you were with Sophie, you were happy on the last show.
13:04You were talking about how you were quite proud of her identifying with who she was and becoming
13:09the person that she is.
13:10I've heard of many people who I'm not going to name because I know you can't name them.
13:13I've watched this show since I was a little kid.
13:15How confident are you that Sophie's...
13:17Again, I'm going to repeat that line.
13:18I'm 90% sure that she is.
13:2090% sure that Sophie is the father of your baby.
13:23Yeah.
13:24If you just tune in to the Jeremy Kyle show for the very first time, yes, that is the
13:27lie.
13:28After the break with DNA, we'll find out if Sophie here is the father of Crystal's baby.
13:33Right back.
13:34What does this mean?
13:35Honestly, everything.
13:37Growing up, what was it like?
13:42Awful.
13:43I'm sorry, right, Bob?
13:44Yeah.
13:45She says you're a liar.
13:46Shut up.
13:47You're scared when you see her?
13:58Are DNA doubts ruining your relationship as an ex refusing to accept paternity?
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14:21Welcome back for the break.
14:22Talking to X's Crystal and Sophie.
14:23Kat is your mate, yeah?
14:24Yeah.
14:25Kat's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
14:26What have you got to do with this?
14:28This is nothing to do with you.
14:29This is between me and her.
14:30Really?
14:31Yeah.
14:32So let her speak then.
14:33Should she just come out?
14:34Hello?
14:35To help her and make sure she doesn't get too...
14:38Well, why?
14:39You've got nothing to do with this situation.
14:40This is between me and her.
14:41What's your view on this?
14:42Your friend's violent.
14:43Your friend has been arrested and cautioned.
14:44She isn't violent whatsoever.
14:45She isn't violent whatsoever.
14:46Yes.
14:47Held on demand.
14:48Yes.
14:49Never charged.
14:50But there's still a stigma.
14:51Yes.
14:52Do you believe that she's now using that to beat her up?
14:53Yes.
14:54Yes.
14:55Yes.
14:56Do you believe that she's now using that to beat her up?
14:57Yes.
14:58Yes.
14:59Yes.
15:00Yes.
15:01Yes.
15:02Yes.
15:03Yes.
15:04Yes.
15:05Yes.
15:06Yes.
15:07Yes.
15:08Yes.
15:09Yes.
15:10Yes.
15:11Yes.
15:12Yes.
15:13I believe that she's now using that to beat her over the head and try and get this child.
15:16Why did you have a child with somebody that you didn't trust?
15:18I didn't know I was pregnant until a month and a half when I moved back home with my mum.
15:25What do you think?
15:28Brilliant.
15:29Basically, she's using the child as a weapon and everything about Sophie.
15:33No, I'm not.
15:34I'm putting my daughter's protection first.
15:36So you believe that your child will be at risk from Sophie?
15:39Yeah, I do.
15:40Have supervised contact.
15:41No.
15:42Allow me supervised visits.
15:43No.
15:44You're having nothing.
15:45But you're not allowed them by social services.
15:46Let's just recap what we said before the break.
15:48Because of previous accusations.
15:50You might keep saying that, but I'm not social services.
15:53Social services have decided you can't see the kid.
15:56So what the hell do you expect me to do about it?
15:58And they're reassessing it.
15:59Over what period of time?
16:01Over, well, they're doing it now actually.
16:03I'm going into social services.
16:04Presumably, if you are the father, that strengthens your case and you can go through the right channels to discuss access with social services or whatever.
16:12That's never going to get.
16:13So you can keep trying, but you're never going to get it.
16:15When she's 18, she's...
16:16How sure are you that Sophie is the father?
16:18I did say that.
16:19Sophie is the father.
16:2090%.
16:21Yeah.
16:22What does this mean?
16:23Honestly.
16:24Everything.
16:25Why?
16:26She's been telling me for the last about six, seven months that the kid's nine.
16:31Then just like a week ago, it's, I got the dates mixed up.
16:35Then I've been getting messages from everyone else saying how when you got with the person
16:41after me, you knew you were pregnant straight away.
16:44No, I didn't.
16:45I didn't know.
16:4690% sure that Sophie is the father to your child?
16:50In an ideal world, you believe that this, this child is, is, is your destiny.
16:55You were saying it's important to you.
16:57Yeah.
16:58This isn't about who you are or what you want to be.
17:00No.
17:01You believe that you would be a good parent.
17:02You say, actually, I've got concerns because this person, yes, I had a physical relationship
17:07with her, but it's come to pass that there are problems.
17:1290% sure.
17:13Interesting.
17:14You're not the child's biological father.
17:17You're not the child's biological father, please.
17:21Cheat.
17:24All on me own again.
17:28Oh my lord.
17:29That's it.
17:30I've done what I've come to do.
17:31I'm going.
17:32Can I ask the obvious question without, and let's try and take into consideration the feelings
17:37of that other person.
17:38Take a seat.
17:39Is that the best answer?
17:40Yeah, it is.
17:41I'm actually glad she isn't.
17:42Because now she can stay out of my life and leave me alone.
17:44Because if she doesn't, I'll take her to court for harassment.
17:47She cannot stay out of my life.
17:48Do you know who the father of your baby is?
17:49Yes, I do.
17:50And that's the ideal scenario for you?
17:52Yeah.
17:53I'm glad she isn't.
17:54Can I make a suggestion, though?
17:55Can we try and be a little bit dignified?
17:57Because at the end of the day, as consenting adults, irrespective of your sexuality, you
18:02both conspired to have a physical relationship.
18:05And the result of that is what we just said.
18:07Mm-hmm.
18:08Oh, actually, Sophie's here.
18:09No.
18:10I'm going.
18:11Just finish this in a dignified way.
18:13Let's not argue.
18:14Is it not the best answer?
18:15So you cheated on me, though.
18:16So you cheated on me, though.
18:17No, I haven't.
18:18It's once we broke up.
18:19You stay out of my life.
18:21Message that I've got.
18:22Next time, you contact me.
18:23Does it matter?
18:24Does it matter?
18:25Turn out more pregnant, eh?
18:26As soon as you found out, very.
18:27Tell you what.
18:28Next time you try and talk to me, or you message any of my family, I'll teach you.
18:33You'll walk away now, won't you?
18:35I guess I don't have a choice.
18:37Good.
18:38She's a cheating b****.
18:39Thank you, little child.
18:41That's what you are.
18:42Here's the interesting thing.
18:43You don't look that upset.
18:45I'm not following you.
18:46Good luck, my darling.
18:47Give them a round of applause.
18:48Thank you very much indeed.
18:49Good luck to remember letting you know.
18:50Right, my next guest today, Amber, is here, because from the day she was born,
18:54her mother, Marion, has been unable to decide who her father is.
18:56Now, Amber says that growing up, her mother always told her that it was between two men,
19:00both of whom were in her life.
19:01She says that she has had enough and today wants to find out who her dad is, so her mother
19:05will stop messing with her head.
19:07This girl is nervous.
19:08She says it's a massive day for her.
19:09Amber's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
19:21Can I just say that people watch this show, right, and I think they take into account
19:28people's feelings, but I don't think they ever can understand what a moment like this for
19:33you means.
19:3420 years of age, today after not the greatest childhood, you want to find out exactly who
19:41your father is.
19:42When you tell your story, these people will be like, my goodness.
19:46Tell them your first memory growing up.
19:49Um, my mum saying that my dad ain't my actual dad.
19:55Do you remember having your hair pulled?
19:57Do you remember being slapped in the face?
19:59Yeah.
20:00A mop in your face.
20:03Yeah, my puppy weed on the floor and my mum kicked it and rubbed a pee mop in my face.
20:12Growing up, what was it like?
20:15Awful.
20:16Yeah.
20:17She says you're a liar.
20:19Shut up.
20:20You said that she was evil.
20:22You say you grew up not knowing who your dad is.
20:24What did it mean when I said on the thing that it's between two?
20:26What does that mean?
20:29What does she tell you?
20:30You're doing good.
20:31It's fine.
20:33She has been saying that she don't know, basically.
20:36So you've never known who your real father is?
20:39No.
20:40Did your mother, did she scare you?
20:43Did you ever manage to find any good relationship with her or not?
20:49Not really a good relationship.
20:51We used, like, we get on now and then, but...
20:54Why do you think she behaved as you say she did?
20:57Was it alcohol induced?
20:58Was it, what was it?
21:01She's, she drinks in boredom.
21:05I mean, you've called her, to us, violent, a bully, sick.
21:10Yeah.
21:12Um...
21:13You say, I want kids when I'm older, but I would never treat them as she treated me.
21:18Yeah.
21:19How would you sum up how she treated you, Anne?
21:22Well, if she drinks, I get nasty calls and Chris is my witness.
21:30Who's Chris?
21:31My friend, yeah.
21:32You're her partner, Chris, yeah?
21:33Yeah.
21:34You witnessed that?
21:35Yeah, I've witnessed it.
21:36What's it do to her?
21:37Speak up.
21:38She need...
21:39It really upsets her.
21:41I spent, like, half an hour calming her down.
21:44Your mum ever told you she loves you?
21:46Yeah.
21:47But not enough?
21:48Not enough, cos I'm not a special...
21:51You told, you told my team you would go so far as to say that you believe this woman once arranged for you to be beaten up.
21:58Yeah, I've walked down the road and she's told someone that I wanted to be on her dad's grave.
22:06Nice.
22:09Oh, dear.
22:10You don't look very happy.
22:12She says you're a liar.
22:14You're scared when you see her?
22:19Yeah.
22:20Does she intimidate you?
22:24Does she?
22:25Who is this between these two men?
22:28Who are the two men that you're not sure about who the father is?
22:31One is Dean, which is your mum's ex-husband.
22:34Do you get on with him?
22:35Yeah.
22:36He's supportive of you, isn't he?
22:38Mm-hm.
22:39Nice guy.
22:40Heard about him already.
22:41Who's the other one in the frame?
22:44This is actually my dad.
22:47That's Dean, isn't it?
22:48Mm.
22:49So in your head, you believe it's Dean?
22:51Yeah.
22:52Yeah.
22:53I'm gonna go to a break before I bring your mum out.
22:56Do you want, um, do you want Dean with you or do you want him to come out after your mum?
23:01How do you want to do that?
23:02Are you all right?
23:03You all right to face her?
23:04Yep.
23:05Blake, her mum, one of the potential fathers in Dean and DNA as well.
23:09Don't go anywhere.
23:10Right back.
23:11You have come out and said that you don't know who my dad is.
23:14I know who your dad is, Amber.
23:15Dean.
23:16Dean.
23:17You think more than you drink and more than you drink and you don't know.
23:22No.
23:23The DNA testers are show that Dean.
23:25Thank you, Bernie.
23:26Come on, I'm Riccardo.
23:27I'm Riccardo.
23:28Oh
23:58You are going to go to a residential rehabilitation program
24:14When he was having it with you you were thinking of somebody else
24:28Anybody would feel sympathy for your story you described your upbringing is awful
24:39You described your mum Marion as evil you say that she would pull your hair slap you in the face throw you around
24:44She said you terrified you were terrified by her intimidated by her
24:47You're always told it was between two men a guy Dean who you're close to you would like it to be another one called Jason
24:53I've got a statement from Jason
24:54He says there is only a 10% chance that I could be Amber's dad
24:58I was there throughout her upbringing. I treated like my own
25:01Marion has told me multiple times that I am her dad
25:05Marion doesn't deserve Amber and only has herself to blame for this by messing with her head
25:11Whatever the result I will always be there for Amber your mother listen this shows done 14 years
25:18It is not for me to say what you feel
25:21You do not need to be intimidated in this environment my darling
25:25I want you to be able to say exactly what you want to say
25:28We will give you those results today. Please God you get the answers you want
25:32Your mother says that you are immature
25:34You need to grow up
25:36She brought you up on her own and she's embarrassed to say that you're a compulsive liar who makes up rumors
25:43And you're only after one thing and that's her money
25:46Marion's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way
25:56How can you say that?
25:58How can you say that?
26:00Here, wrong seat there
26:01Sorry Jeremy
26:02It's alright
26:03How do you sit backstage and hear that about yourself? It's appalling
26:05She's a compulsive liar Jeremy. I've never hurt her. As for my dogs
26:09No, I'm not talking about your dogs. I'm talking about your daughter. You apparently pulled her hair and slapped her in the face
26:14Rubbish
26:15Rubbish
26:16Why doesn't she know who her father is?
26:17She does know who her father is
26:18Well, who's her father?
26:19Then why does Jason give me a statement where he says although there's only a 10% chance
26:23Marion has told me on multiple occasions that I'm Amber's dad
26:26Jason's not Amber's dad
26:27He says you've told him on multiple occasions that he's her dad
26:30We was not in a relationship when Amber was conceived at all
26:35This is where you have to speak she told us
26:37She was too scared to ask you but grew up not knowing who her father was
26:40Talk to your kid, darling
26:41I know who he's had his Amber. Look at the photos of you, older
26:44You look like him. What's wrong with you? You know who he is
26:47She clearly doesn't because she's on the Jeremy Kyle show for a DNA
26:49She does
26:50Well, why is she here then?
26:51I don't know
26:53Talk to your mother. You made a series of pretty horrible accusations
26:56You have come out with and said that you don't know who my dad is
27:01I know who your dad is Amber, Dean
27:03Why'd you tell Jason it was him then?
27:05I wasn't in there
27:06So Jason's lying
27:07I've not told Jason he's the father
27:09So basically she's lying, Dean's lying and Jason's lying
27:11But that's what you're saying, right?
27:13I've not been in a relationship with Jason
27:15Did you pick alcohol over your kids? Come on, love, you can't be the perfect mother
27:18No, no I don't
27:19Well, why does she say that her abiding memory is you pulling her hair and slapping her in the face and getting drunk?
27:24It's not only that she told people I pushed her down the stairs
27:27Would you have done better as a mother? I don't know
27:29I'm trying to help you're not saying anything, sweetheart
27:31Two years ago, Jeremy, I wanted to bring her on here because she was making these accusations
27:35About me throwing her down the stairs causing her to have a miscarriage
27:38I did not do that
27:39Why'd you hate you, Mum?
27:41Telling my friends that
27:42Do you want Dean on?
27:43Will Dean make you feel better?
27:44Dean's on the Jeremy Carr show that way
27:49Jeremy, enough for
27:51No!
27:52Tell the f***ing truth!
27:53Sorry, Jeremy, but she
27:56Sorry
27:57Tell the f***ing truth
27:59You drink more
28:00You think more you f***ing drink
28:01And more you f***ing friends than you own the one
28:03No, you're the only one that makes her
28:05Gives her weed
28:06What did I say?
28:07Oh my daughter smoking weed
28:08Oh, so I'll give her f***ing joint
28:09Big deal
28:10I don't want a f***ing all the time
28:12I know if you want
28:13I don't want a f***ing smoking weed
28:14I don't want a f***ing smoking weed
28:15You drink cocaine as well
28:16Who does cocaine?
28:17Hang on, no he doesn't
28:18Who doesn't?
28:19No he doesn't
28:20Who doesn't?
28:21Not all the time
28:22But your dad, potential dad, I should say
28:23Gives you weed and that's okay, is it?
28:25It is no more acceptable to give your potential daughter weed
28:28Than it is to get drunk in front of her, is it?
28:30I've given her a f***ing love on the joint
28:32What?
28:33I've given her a love on the joint
28:34Well have a look at what you've both done to her
28:37And you'll see what that is
28:38That's not right, is it?
28:39I didn't tell you what
28:40Well then why are you doing it?
28:42Once
28:43What's wrong with that?
28:44What's the truth then here, Dean?
28:45Well she's a liar
28:46Why?
28:47Because she says she don't do that
28:49She kicked her out
28:51She had to stay on a bath stop at 2 o'clock in the morning
28:54That is a load of lies
28:55Before she went to college
28:56That is a load of lies
28:57Mop in her face
29:00I've stopped her
29:01Punching her
29:02Eating her
29:03I've had to stand in
29:05That's a load of lies
29:06My mates have come round
29:07Fogged her in her face
29:08She sits there
29:09She went to college one day
29:11What's the situation with Jason?
29:12Jason was
29:13He said
29:14He's done a statement
29:15The other potential dad
29:16Saying
29:17Marion's told me on multiple occasions
29:18That I'm Amber's dad
29:19Yeah, Jason's told me
29:21Marion's said that to him
29:22Well come on love
29:23Not everybody can be lying
29:24He's not his dad
29:25Was Jason the dad?
29:26No you're not answering the question
29:27Did you ever tell Jason that he was the dad?
29:29No
29:30Why is he saying it?
29:31Why is Dean saying it?
29:32Why is she saying it?
29:33Dean's her dad
29:34And you know her that you're her dad
29:35I believe 100% she's mine
29:37Yeah, I'm a million and one percent
29:38No she's yours
29:39I'm here for her
29:40Marion told my team
29:42It was you who was violent to her
29:43Oh get out of it
29:45She scratched all my face up
29:47On the
29:48When she's
29:49Right Amber
29:50She kicked me out
29:51Amber
29:52You always drunk
29:53No
29:54I could go out
29:55You look like you've had a drink love
29:56To be honest
29:57Come on over the years
29:58You do look like you've had a drink
29:59Long time ago
30:00What?
30:01Truthfully
30:02Ask Amber truthfully
30:03Darling
30:04Can we just be honest
30:05I'm not against you
30:06But you look like you like a drink
30:08Not every day I don't drink
30:09Right we're getting there
30:10Not every day
30:11No
30:12One big one day
30:13And then I'll drink
30:14About five days
30:15I'll have another drink
30:16I've got a problem here
30:17You said nothing
30:18She said I did everything for this kid
30:19I was there I was this I was that
30:20You're saying she's evil
30:21And you're calling her every name under the sun
30:23Please speak
30:24It's just
30:25Look at your problem Amber
30:27Where was that
30:28Let her speak
30:29Amber speak darling
30:31I'm confused
30:32I really am
30:33He's your dad
30:34I've got Jason and you saying that
30:36He could be my dad
30:37He's confusing
30:38I just want to know
30:39Who was there for you?
30:40Was your mum there for you?
30:41Was Dean there for you?
30:42Was Jason there for you?
30:43Because that's what we're talking about
30:44A kid at 20 who's confused
30:46And that's fundamentally wrong
30:48You only have to look at her pal
30:50To know what this has done to her
30:52That's what's wrong
30:53We have a little argument
30:55Me and Mel
30:56When we were together
30:57We had a little argument
30:58She kicked me out
30:59She said what party has
31:01I'll go out there to see Amber
31:03Oh I'm not allowed to see her
31:05She's caused trouble for all my family
31:08Not just me
31:09All my family
31:10So you don't like her very much?
31:11Not at the precise moment, no
31:14Not at the precise moment?
31:15No
31:16Not for what she's doing to her
31:17Why do you sit there as if butter wouldn't melt?
31:19No, because I want to explain a situation where he was violent to ultimately
31:23She's on the Jeremy Kyle show saying she doesn't know who her father is
31:26If she knew the truth why the hell would she be here Marion?
31:29Can we cut to the chase?
31:30She knows who her father is, I told her
31:34She doesn't know who her father is
31:36She does
31:37So you're making this up?
31:38No
31:39Give me the DNA results
31:40Dean is her father
31:42How sure?
31:43One million percent
31:44Why'd you tell Jason he was then?
31:46I've never told Jason
31:47So he's lying?
31:48Yeah, I've never
31:49Who are lying?
31:50I wasn't in a relationship with Jason
31:51What do you want darling?
31:52Because you're the person that matters
31:53What do I?
31:54I want him to be a lad
31:56The DNA test results show that Dean
31:58He's your dad
32:00He's your dad
32:01CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
32:10How are we done?
32:11Can I make a suggestion?
32:14Can I make a suggestion?
32:26This is what this should be about, this kid.
32:28You have undoubtedly drunk, you've undoubtedly made mistakes.
32:31Do you mind putting your vile language and your behaviour to one side
32:34and trying to do, although you're not together,
32:36what is right by your daughter,
32:38who at 20 needs to not sit and listen to you
32:40to arguing and bitching and swearing,
32:42but needs you to support her individually and together.
32:45Do you agree with that?
32:46Yeah.
32:46Do you agree?
32:47Yeah.
32:47Three of you that way, go.
32:53Well, after them, Ryan, the next guest today,
32:55Luke is here for lie detector results with fiancée Rachel.
32:57Luke says that after he and Rach first began seeing each other,
33:00he found out she'd kiss another man in Ibiza.
33:04Although hurt, the relationship continued.
33:06Five weeks ago, she gave birth to his daughter.
33:08Despite this, he cannot get through the past.
33:09In his head, he thinks she's a cheat.
33:11He says baby or no baby.
33:12If she fails any part of this test today,
33:15the relationship's over.
33:16Big day for this guy.
33:16Luke's on the Jeremy Carr show that way.
33:18You don't want a beer?
33:27Thanks very much.
33:28It's all right.
33:29Welcome to the show.
33:30Thanks.
33:31Why are you here?
33:32You've gone all quietly.
33:33Yes, a lot of people.
33:34Luke, 28, with Rachel, 26 for a year.
33:38Fiancée of eight months.
33:40Let's talk about how you met.
33:41Plenty of fish.
33:43No, no, it's for my mum.
33:44YouTube.
33:45What?
33:45She sold a caravan to my mum.
33:47I can't hear you, what?
33:48She sold a caravan to my mum.
33:51It's her job.
33:52Was there a sticker?
33:54You know what the sticker should say?
33:55Don't come knocking when the caravan's rocking.
33:57So she sold your mum a caravan, and the rest is history.
34:02Pulled down the canvas, and off you went.
34:04Ridiculous.
34:05No, my mum introduced me to her.
34:07We started talking.
34:08To be fair to you, you took it quite slowly.
34:10It was quite a serious relationship.
34:13You made it official last June, but moved in together on the same day.
34:17Yeah.
34:18We was...
34:18Loved up.
34:19Yeah, we was talking about it for quite a long time.
34:22And then we just felt it was right between us.
34:24A couple of weeks after making it official, she fell pregnant.
34:27Yeah.
34:29Excited?
34:29Scared?
34:30Very excited.
34:31She went to Ibiza?
34:32Yeah.
34:33Tell me more than going, yeah.
34:35We wasn't really officially together.
34:38We were still seeing each other at the time.
34:41It was about three weeks before we got together.
34:44She kissed somebody?
34:45Yeah.
34:45So what, you weren't together?
34:46What's the matter with you?
34:47I know, but it's just...
34:49I fell for the girl.
34:51I love her a lot.
34:52Does it matter if she kissed somebody else?
34:54Oh, will you be quiet, please?
34:57It hurts, but I can go over it.
35:00But you obviously don't give her on a Jeremy Carter to ask you to do a lie detector five
35:03weeks after she gave birth to your kid.
35:05No, no, I know, but it's...
35:07For that to happen, it makes me worry if anything else has happened, like, since we've been together.
35:13Truth, without being rude, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, I'm being straight here.
35:17It's the old chestnut.
35:17You've been cheated on before, haven't you?
35:19Yeah, a lot of times.
35:19Written all over your face.
35:20A lot of times.
35:21Yeah?
35:21You ever cheated on a woman?
35:22No, never in my life.
35:25Seriously?
35:26Seriously.
35:27Why are you doing a lie detector test, then?
35:28It's proved to her.
35:29Why do you need to prove to her if you've ever cheated before and she believes you?
35:32What is that all about?
35:32No, no, she's accused me quite a few times.
35:35Have you just got to a point, you two, where you don't know what to damn well believe?
35:37There's quite a claim and counter-claim, and everybody's having a go, and at the end
35:41of the day, it's like, Jesus, I just need to get this sorted, right?
35:43Yeah.
35:44You love this woman?
35:45Yeah.
35:46What if she passes everything and you pass?
35:48We live happily ever after.
35:49Not we, obviously, because I'm not going to live...
35:50There's a lot we still need to work on, but...
35:52What do you need to work on?
35:53Just, we bicker all the time, always are.
35:55Can I give you some advice from a very, very, very boring old man?
35:58When I've done this, I'll give you the best line in the world to sort this out.
36:00Stop frowning.
36:01You've got one of the...
36:01You've learnt the whole time.
36:02Just try and chill in life.
36:04Yeah.
36:04What if she's done anything?
36:05Kissed somebody, sexual contact, had...
36:08You said, you might be done.
36:10Yeah, I'm telling myself, if it's a kiss, then we can talk.
36:14I'm so glad you said that, because that just about sums up how ridiculous this whole story
36:18is, because this is all based on the fact that some months ago, before she even had a baby,
36:21you were official, she stuck her tongue down somebody's throat and I'd be through it.
36:25Now you're here, 14 months later, saying, I could go over the fact if she kissed somebody
36:28else because I love her.
36:29I don't know.
36:30Love's a crazy thing.
36:33Love is blind.
36:34How's being a dad?
36:36Brilliant.
36:36No money, no sleep, and no sex.
36:38Good luck.
36:39Right, sure.
36:40It's on the Jeremy Carl Show that way.
36:41Thank you, welcome to the show.
36:51You're going to tell me he's just a paranoid pain in the backside who you love completely,
36:55and this is all ridiculous.
36:56He loves you, man, doesn't he?
36:57Yeah.
36:58What's going on?
37:00We do argue.
37:01We do bicker.
37:02About what?
37:03It can be the silliest things, and then for some reason it always comes back down to
37:09cheating.
37:10It can be a row over who's going to Tesco's, but then it'll come back down to cheating.
37:14Who's going to Tesco's?
37:16I get really angry because I want to go to the shop sometimes just for a break away from
37:19the baby, and he wants to go to the shop.
37:23That's how silly things have got.
37:25Let her go.
37:27Look after the baby.
37:28Grow a pair.
37:28Listen to me.
37:29You kissed some, oh, shocking.
37:32We've done this show for 14 years.
37:34Are you, just, can we pan to Will?
37:36Let's see if, are you shocked if somebody kisses somebody?
37:39No.
37:40It was before you got together.
37:42Yeah.
37:43And afterwards she had a baby with you, and has been with you, and yet this is still underpinning
37:47everything.
37:48Why?
37:49Help me out.
37:50Come on.
37:52Listen, there's no doubt you love each other.
37:54He says that he might be able to forgive a kiss, but nothing more than that.
37:59He'll be all right.
38:01When you look her in the face, what do you think?
38:03I don't think she has two years.
38:04Right, I'm not even going to look around.
38:06How many people in the audience, put your hand in the air if you think Rachel's cheated
38:09on this man.
38:10How many hands went up?
38:13Three.
38:13Four.
38:15No, one man put two hands up.
38:18Obviously got big issues with your life.
38:22You all right?
38:22Yeah.
38:23When are you supposed to be getting married?
38:26We haven't set a date yet.
38:27Why not?
38:29Because of all the arguing.
38:30You wanted him to do a lie detector, which is slightly confusing.
38:33Um, I wouldn't have brought him on here to do a lie detector.
38:36I have accused him in the past, but I wouldn't have never brought him on here.
38:39We asked Rachel, since the start of your relationship with Luke, have you had sexual intercourse
38:42with anyone else?
38:42You said no.
38:43Why did you say no, darling?
38:44I was telling the truth.
38:44Of course she was telling the truth.
38:46CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
38:48LAUGHTER
38:50If he's starting our relationship with Luke, have you had sexual contact with anybody
38:55else?
38:55He's grinning now.
38:56She said no, because she got a photo.
38:57CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
38:58Can we not do the tongue thing on the stage?
39:09It makes a voice very, very insecure.
39:12Happy now?
39:13Yeah.
39:13Speak now.
39:14Come on.
39:15Very happy.
39:15Are you happy?
39:16Yeah.
39:16Not so anxious?
39:19I'm going to slaughter you if you've failed.
39:21I know.
39:22Trust me.
39:22Since the start of your relationship with Rachel, have you had sexual intercourse with
39:29anyone else?
39:29We asked Luke.
39:30You said no.
39:31Why did you say no?
39:31EGAR FOLLOWS AS WELL!
39:34So, essentially, we don't need to know that.
39:40I know I'm a little bit close to her and that probably makes you feel insecure.
39:46We're going to go to the shops in a minute.
39:47You're going to have to stay here and look after the baby.
39:49We're going to buy some baguette.
39:50No, I'm joking.
39:50Listen to me.
39:52The best bit of advice I can give you is this.
39:55Some people get so wrapped up in arguing and debating and worrying and freaking out and
40:00thinking the worst that life passes them by.
40:03You've got a baby.
40:04You love each other.
40:05There's no cheating.
40:07Can you take the next sentence in the right way?
40:09Just do one and get on with your lives.
40:12Yeah?
40:13Very nice to meet you.
40:14Give me a round of applause.
40:15Go, go, go.
40:18See?
40:19Happy ending.
40:19More after the break.
40:20We're back with the JK Show.
40:21Don't go anywhere.
40:22What would it mean if he is your father?
40:25The world.
40:27What would it mean if she is your daughter?
40:30It'd be great.
40:31It'd be great.
40:32I'm going to do this differently.
40:33Do you want to take the card out of the envelope?
40:35Would you want me to do it?
40:35You do it, please.
40:36The DNA teachers are a show that Philip...
40:42Are DNA doubts ruining your relationship is an ex refusing to accept paternity?
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41:12Thank you very much for your welcome back.
41:22Our next guest today, Philip is here to find out if a woman who found him on Facebook is in fact his daughter.
41:26He says that he was contacted by somebody claiming to be his daughter.
41:29It's taken 45 years to finally find out the truth.
41:32Think on that.
41:33Really nervous, this guy, and a huge day for him.
41:35Philip's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
41:47Martin, the only people that come on the Jeremy Kyle Show in a suit are usually just out of prison.
41:51How are you, sir?
41:51All right.
41:52Looking smart.
41:53Yeah.
41:54Hello.
41:55Hello.
41:55Can I say anything?
41:56Yeah, I am.
41:57Yeah.
41:57You're very posh, aren't you?
41:58No, I didn't think I'd be here sat here sat here sat here, do you?
42:01Well, it's not mine.
42:02It could be a bit nicer to me.
42:04I'm going to like you.
42:04Yeah, I am nice because I watch his show every morning.
42:07Do you?
42:07I haven't missed a show yet.
42:08Aww.
42:10Somebody just said to me, he's really lovely.
42:12Welcome to the show.
42:13Philip, 65.
42:14A few months ago, out of the blue, a woman contacts you on Facebook.
42:19What happened?
42:19Tell us what was said.
42:21I just got this phone call a few months ago, and this woman says, do you know what Samantha?
42:28I says, have you got a daughter?
42:31No.
42:31She says, have you got a daughter called Samantha?
42:34And I says, no.
42:36Says, you've got the wrong person.
42:37She says, did they call you Philip?
42:39He says, yeah, they call me Philip.
42:41He says, are you sure he hasn't got a daughter?
42:42I says, I'm sure he hasn't got a daughter.
42:44Call some.
42:46You know what I mean?
42:46You say you kept thinking the recollection was trying to work in your head, and then it
42:50came flooding back that you dated a girl, you old dog, in the 70s.
42:55For three to four months, you were engaged, and it was a whirlwind.
42:58What do you mean by that?
42:59I felt a lot about her.
43:03I thought this were a girl who we're going to be settling down with.
43:07You say when we split, I had no idea that she was pregnant until two months later.
43:11I was in total shock.
43:12I was, I was.
43:14But did you know that...
43:15We'd already brought a book down there, didn't we?
43:17But did you know at that point that this girl could be yours?
43:21I mean, no.
43:22What I'm saying is, when you discovered 45 years ago she was pregnant, when you split
43:26up, why didn't you do something about it then?
43:27I have to ask that question.
43:29Because at the time, because I was living with my parents, at the time, my family told
43:35me that there's not a thing you can do about it, because then she didn't have me on
43:41the birth certificate.
43:43I had no rights.
43:45I couldn't stop her.
43:46Were you not told that they'd emigrated to another country?
43:48I did, yeah.
43:50Yeah.
43:51So, and I'm not trying to be rude.
43:52That's another reason why.
43:55I thought, well, what can I do if she's left the country?
43:58So how long, and this is, I really love your honesty, because a lot of people will go,
44:02well, I've thought about her every day.
44:04You said that when she first came, 45 years had passed, and you didn't really have a recollection.
44:08When all of this came flooding back, and you thought, actually, this girl could be mine,
44:12what do you start thinking?
44:14My God, I wish I'd done more.
44:15I've missed out.
44:16What do you think?
44:16Yeah, I do.
44:17I do.
44:17I wish I had.
44:18If I'd have known then what I'd have known now, I would have put more effort and tried.
44:23We love you.
44:23Right.
44:24What would it mean if she is your daughter?
44:26It'd be great.
44:27It'd be great.
44:28After all this.
44:30You say, I need closure, and you want more than anything for her to be your daughter.
44:34You want a relationship with her.
44:35Now, she's in a green room, somewhere in the studio, unable to hear this, because I'm going
44:39to give you the DNA results straight away.
44:42Mm-hmm.
44:43What does this mean?
44:4545 years.
44:46It means a lot.
44:47I'm shocked, but it means a lot.
44:54The DNA results show that Philip, she's your daughter.
44:58CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
45:00You're going to go, oh, you OK?
45:11Now, listen.
45:13Why are you upset?
45:14Mate, don't beat yourself up.
45:18I'm going to go and tell her, and then I'm going to bring her out.
45:20You OK?
45:21Can we have some tissue?
45:21Come on, son.
45:22Come on, the lovely man.
45:25You all right?
45:25You want some water?
45:27No, I wasn't all right.
45:27Vodka?
45:29You're all telling me.
45:30I'm only joking.
45:31I'm going to go and see her.
45:32Give him a round of applause.
45:33Don't turn off the beat.
45:43Thanks, Tom.
45:43I want to find him, because if he is my dad, I want to get to know him.
45:50Hello.
45:50Jeremy's here right now.
45:51Can we stay in here, Jess?
45:52No, go on.
45:52Shift up.
45:52Go on.
45:53Shift, shift, shift.
45:54How are you?
45:55Nervous.
45:55Oh, listen.
45:57He's out there.
45:57We've just had a chat.
45:58So tell me how this came to be, what you were told growing up, why just...
46:02I think it was a year ago or something, the Facebook thing.
46:04Why did that happen?
46:05Yeah, I've been looking for him since I was 18.
46:08What were you told?
46:09I was told that my brother's dad wasn't my dad.
46:13And, yeah, and my mum gave me his name and his date of birth and I've been looking for
46:21him.
46:21Why has it taken so long, babe?
46:23Because I could never find him.
46:27But you found him on Facebook?
46:28Well, my friend did, yeah.
46:30When you spoke, you've just spoken.
46:31You've never met.
46:32No, we haven't.
46:33You haven't spoken?
46:34We spoke through to my friend.
46:35And what, why, what's that, oh God, look at here, a coiled spring.
46:39What would it mean if he is your father?
46:41The world.
46:42What if he's not?
46:44Then I'll have to start again from the beginning and start looking again.
46:48Do you hold any malice against this guy?
46:50Do you, no.
46:51It's not about the past.
46:52It's about having a future now with him.
46:55You okay?
46:55Yeah.
46:56I'm going to do this differently.
46:57Do you want to take the card out of the envelope or do you want me to do it?
46:59You do it, please.
47:04Read that.
47:05Oh, yes.
47:06Can we go see him?
47:07He's your dad.
47:07Do you want to see him?
47:08Come here.
47:09Come here.
47:09Come here.
47:09Come here.
47:10Come, come, come, come, come, come.
47:10Come, come, come, come, come, come.
47:41If I'd have known.
47:44She holds no malice against you at all.
47:46Or that pink hanker tree.
47:48You all right?
47:49Oh, God.
47:52He reacted exactly like you when we told you.
47:55And told him.
47:56Happy?
47:57Very, very happy.
47:59He said it would be one of the best days of his life.
48:00And listen, the most important thing is that we've put you together.
48:03All the work that goes on afterwards.
48:05And this is really important that I say this.
48:06It's all very well to do this.
48:07But the aftercare team will take care of you and we'll work with you.
48:11Thank you so much.
48:11You happy?
48:12Yes.
48:13Thank you so much.
48:13Thank you so much.
48:14Thank you so much.
48:15Thank you so much.
48:16Oh, lovely.
48:17Give me a round of applause.
48:18Lovely.
48:23What a great way to end that.
48:24I have to this morning out of time.
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48:28To the guests, to the audience, and to you for watching at home.
48:30You know who you are.
48:31I'll see you soon.
48:32Take care.
48:32Bye-bye for now.
48:32APPLAUSE
48:58Bye-bye for now.