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00:00A UFO mystery in the Arizona desert.
00:05There's obviously something going on in Arizona.
00:07A government whistleblower going public for the first time,
00:11with video evidence of anomalies in the sky,
00:14some never seen before.
00:17What they are, I have no idea.
00:19Why are Border Patrol and Air Force pilots
00:22encountering so-called UAPs,
00:25Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena?
00:28And what are they?
00:29We have no rational explanation that we can come up with.
00:32Why are they coming here?
00:34I think there is a portal site in there,
00:36and that portal site has been contained by the federal government.
00:39Have they been coming for centuries?
00:41Is it part of Native American culture and mythology?
00:44The verbal history has passed down generation to generation.
00:48And has the American military mastered alien technology as well?
00:53Let me be clear, UAP are real.
00:56Furthermore, the US is in possession of UAP technologies.
00:59Or could the explanation be something less otherworldly, but potentially much scarier?
01:06We don't really have control of our US airspace.
01:09After the plague of mystery drones over New Jersey and other states,
01:14this past fall concerns that America's enemies are making incursions into our airspace.
01:21What we saw was more sophisticated than I think anything I've ever seen before.
01:27Now is there new urgency to the Arizona anomalies?
01:32There's been a lot of people reporting a lot of things out of Arizona, particularly along the border.
01:37Join us as we analyse the evidence.
01:39There's an orb straight ahead of me.
01:41And investigate the unexplained.
01:44Hunting UFOs. The Desert Sky Mystery.
01:48Good evening, I'm Ross Coulthard.
01:56I've come here to the Arizona desert, close to the border with Mexico,
02:00because this is a restricted airspace where military pilots are testing military aircraft.
02:06And the incredible thing is, for years, they've been seeing and reporting anomalous objects in these training ranges.
02:14We're going into the field to investigate allegations that the US may well have recovered non-human technology.
02:23And to that effect, I'm on my way to meet my very first source on the trail of this mystery.
02:29Great to finally meet you in person, sir. I'm Ross.
02:31Nice to meet you, Bob.
02:33His name is Bob Thompson, and he's never spoken on camera before.
02:37Thompson's an Army veteran who spent 14 years with US Customs and Border Protection.
02:44Why are you talking to us, Bob?
02:46Well, I feel it's an important topic.
02:48I think getting this information out is an important step in the whole disclosure process.
02:54Thompson was part of the Tucson sector's Special Operations Detachment Mobile Response Team,
03:00focused on counter-terrorism and drug interdiction.
03:04Wow.
03:05Eventually, he became part of the Arizona Air Coordination Center,
03:09which monitors the airspace along the US border.
03:13It was always a challenging job.
03:15And then, he says, it got weird.
03:18There's a lot of stuff that's been sighted out here.
03:20Like what?
03:21Well, for one, the rubber duck video.
03:24This is ground zero for where the rubber duck was filmed.
03:27This sighting was recorded and tracked by an RC-26B aircraft on an infrared camera on November 23rd, 2019.
03:36And like many famous UFO videos, it's become known by a nickname derived from that unusual shape.
03:44It's called the rubber duck.
03:46This video is taken down on an area known as the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Area.
03:52They were tracked and got called for a group of illegal aliens that had come through
03:57and were out there looking for them when this thing popped through the viewfinder.
04:01Were you able to speak to the pilots from the surveillance aircraft that recorded this?
04:06I was, and I actually spoke to the sensor operator.
04:08They seemed to think it was searching for something.
04:10The rubber duck immediately struck the pilots as peculiar.
04:14Its shape didn't match a plane or a drone, and neither did its cold thermal signature.
04:21That's why they decided to track it for a full 40 minutes.
04:25They definitely thought it was anomalous.
04:27And the rubber duck wasn't the only anomalous video that came across Bob's desk.
04:32Now, during your role in border protection, there came a time when you suggested to your superiors
04:38that you start preparing some kind of research report into what was being seen.
04:43I did put together a report, what they call an issue paper, and get that subject kind of on the record.
04:50Higher-ups at Border Patrol showed little interest in the rubber duck video, at which point Bob says he received permission to share it externally.
04:59You thought the public had a right to know about it?
05:01I think they do.
05:02I'm not saying that, you know, it is hostile, but if it is, having that early warning I think is probably a good thing.
05:10So Thompson shared his videos with UFO investigator Andy Martial.
05:16What was your first impression of those videos?
05:18I mean, I'll be honest with you, initially I thought they might be balloons.
05:22I knew right away what I had in my hands.
05:25I sat through it and watched it, I mean, from beginning to end.
05:29And I just couldn't find anything that I can attribute to something earthly or man-made that I knew of.
05:36In addition to the rubber duck, Andy has now released and nicknamed more videos on Bob's behalf.
05:42They include La Bruja, Spanish for the Witch, shot in the Tohono O'odham Nation reservation on May 30th, 2021.
05:52It showed an anomalous object that almost had a human figure to it that was anywhere from, you know, 20 to 30 feet in the air.
06:02So those cows are reflecting back that black hot.
06:07The object up at the top is white, which means it's ice cold.
06:11But if it was a drone, you would, number one, see the heat signature.
06:14And number two, if they were anywhere close to them, it would have startled them.
06:18Roughly two years after Bob and Andy leaked the videos online, CBP officially released them,
06:25along with hundreds of pages of email correspondence between Bob and his supervisors.
06:30So we know the videos are not some kind of CGI hoax.
06:35And they represent a mere fraction of the reported sightings.
06:39I've, like I said, have stories of hundreds of agents,
06:44seen different things, different types of craft, orbs, small triangles, big triangles.
06:51So you've spoken to border protection agents, but you've also spoken to Air Force personnel as well.
06:57Air Force personnel as well.
06:59Recent FAA reports confirm that U.S. Air Force pilots have reported numerous encounters with strange flying objects,
07:07sometimes in swarms in their Arizona training ranges.
07:12One even struck the canopy of an F-16 Viper jet, damaging the multi-million dollar craft.
07:19So there was a concern among pilots.
07:22Safety concerns.
07:23That there might be a collision with these objects they were seeing.
07:26There could be.
07:27Famed former Pentagon UAP investigator Lou Elizondo, who testified to Congress on these matters, agrees.
07:36They're seeing something anomalous, aren't they?
07:39Well, what I can tell you is that there's been a lot of activity, a lot of people reporting,
07:43a lot of things out of Arizona, particularly along the border.
07:46Could all these incidents have prosaic explanations?
07:50Well, sure.
07:51So before wasting our time and yours chasing UFOs, we went to chat with an expert on the ground.
07:57Ali, at long last, lovely to meet you.
08:00It's great to meet you, Ron.
08:01News Nation's border reporter, Ali Bradley, has her own intel regarding flying objects on the border.
08:08Drones used by cartels to smuggle drugs or conduct reconnaissance.
08:14Now we're seeing drones more and more used to be kind of scouting tools to watch border patrol,
08:20to be the eyes in the sky, if you will, so that they can send individuals over.
08:24For the past decade, cartels have been using consumer-grade drones like this one,
08:30recovered with over six pounds of methamphetamine.
08:33But now they're upgrading the fleet.
08:36The cartel used to use Chinese drones.
08:38Very normal, that's what you can buy at the store.
08:40But they switched over to using French and Russian agricultural drones.
08:44For bigger drones.
08:45They can move five to ten kilos of drugs across the border.
08:48And the biggest issue there is the technology that they're using
08:52we're not able to intercept like we were with the Chinese drones.
08:56So what do you think, Ali?
08:57Do you think that what's happening here with the cartels
09:00could explain the anomalous activity that they're seeing in the military training ranges?
09:04You know, the cartel wants intel on the United States.
09:07That's their MO.
09:08That is their number one priority, is to always be one step ahead of us.
09:11So what better place to do that than to infiltrate our military installations in some capacity?
09:17Unless you were in a coma in late 2024,
09:20you know that the mystery drone threat is more than mere speculation.
09:25For weeks, New Jersey residents were reporting strange aircraft in the area.
09:30When officials began to investigate, things only got more concerning.
09:36They don't know where the drones are coming from,
09:38they don't know who's doing it, they don't know why they're doing it,
09:40but they say there's no credible threat.
09:42The mystery behind these purported drones remains.
09:46The military admits it often cannot detect, track or down these objects.
09:52Defence also recently admitted to one Senator it's mystified as to their origin.
09:59News Nation's Rich McHugh has his own memorable experience while out reporting the story.
10:06I think we've seen about 40 or 50 of these drones.
10:09In fact, there's one over my shoulder, right there.
10:12One after another, after another, these drones appeared in the night sky.
10:17If you look real close, they look like fixed-wing aircraft.
10:21About eight to ten feet wide, colorful, white blinking lights.
10:25That is not a plane.
10:27Definitely not an airplane, but what was it?
10:30Are the Arizona sightings similar sophisticated drones?
10:36That's what the Defence Department's ARRO, the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office claims.
10:43But is that explanation plausible?
10:46It is fact that UAP often, but not always, resolve into readily explainable sources.
10:53But are these Arizona videos and all those reports to the FAA so easily explainable?
11:00There's obviously something going on in Arizona along the border areas, more than just illegal immigration.
11:05In fact, Bob and Andy are so certain they've submitted the videos to one of the country's top scientific groups for analysis.
11:13We've analyzed those cases using physics and all the tools of science.
11:19What did they conclude? That's next.
11:43So, we've seen the videos and we've heard from Bob Thompson, the former Border Protection Officer.
11:49And he clearly thinks those objects are something anomalous.
11:54How to resolve this?
11:55Well, I've come here to Rocket City, Huntsville, Alabama, where it just so happens there's a conference of the Scientific Coalition for the Study of UAPs.
12:07There are a bunch of scientists who think, despite the stigma, despite the ridicule, it is possible to still investigate the phenomenon.
12:16So let's see what they say.
12:18Rich Hoffman, head of the SCU, is familiar with Bob's leaked videos.
12:23Welcome, Rich.
12:24Hey, how are you doing? Good to see you again, Ron.
12:28So just explain to me, how do you investigate something like UAP?
12:32We take all the best cases, the ones with actual good, solid sensory data that we can actually go after and really study.
12:40With that, we take a closer look at our data, Bob's videos.
12:44OK, so La Bruja, the witch, it was captured in, I think, February 2020 using a mobile scope truck.
12:52What can you say about that? It doesn't appear to be moving under any kind of propulsion system. Couldn't it just be a balloon?
12:59Well, let's take a look at the wind speed on that day and at that time. And I say, well, wait a minute, you know, there's no wind on that. So what's moving that? It's not going to be a balloon.
13:09Do you think it's under apparent control?
13:11Yes, I do. I think that in this case, this one is an unknown. And it tends to fall into the more validated UAP that we can't understand.
13:21Well, we have an object here moving along, got a steady clip in the desert, and it doesn't seem to conform to the shape of a drone or a plane.
13:33The camera is in a mode where black is hot, which means that the potentially anomalous object here is very cold.
13:41And that's strange because if it's an animal, it should be, should be warm.
13:47And if it was a machine, you'd expect it to be hot as well.
13:49Yes, because you'd expect some kind of exhaust or propellant. And so the temperature of this object, as well as its shape, suggests that this is something worth studying and trying to explain.
14:01The thing is, videos don't just stand on their own. We also have the corroborating story of not just, you know, regular witnesses, but military people who are trained to identify foreign aircraft.
14:16And yet they're not able to identify some of these objects that are violating military airspace on a regular basis.
14:24So perhaps there are sightings that defy explanation, but what will the scientists make of the most compelling video of them all?
14:33What do you think of the rubber duck?
14:34That's next.
14:41When Border Patrol Officer Bob Thompson and UFO researcher Andy Marshall released their UAP videos, many people ridiculed them.
14:50So the blowback continued from the skeptics and the debunkers?
14:54They did. You get the gamut of stuff. It's birds, it's balloons, it's drones.
14:59But evidence kept pouring in of strange encounters in the Arizona skies.
15:05Like this cockpit voice recording of a 2018 incident between a commercial airline pilot and yet another UAP over Phoenix.
15:17That's why they pressed on submitting their videos to the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies.
15:33And rather than dismissing those sightings, the group took one of them, the so-called rubber duck video, seriously enough to commission a 47-page report.
15:44It was authored by this man.
15:47Nice to see you.
15:48Nice to see you too.
15:49Peter Reale, SCU member and retired electrical engineer.
15:54What are we seeing here?
15:55Well, first thing is you see all the green writing is called metadata.
15:59And with that data, you can actually analyze a lot about the actual video.
16:05What are the three issues that you think makes it an anomalous object?
16:09The shape. It's certainly not a bird. The settings in the metadata, that white is cold compared to black that's hot.
16:19That means, like La Bruja, it can't be a drone since the engine would read as hot.
16:25The third one is, you can't tell from this video which way the wind is blowing, but the pilots said it was going against the wind.
16:34And that means it can't be a balloon since balloons drift with the wind, not against it.
16:40That's why former Pentagon UAP investigator Lou Elizondo thinks it should be taken seriously.
16:47What do you think of the rubber duck?
16:48It's very perplexing. This is not an atmospheric anomaly or an aberration. This is something real, something tangible.
16:55And so we need to get to the bottom of it. It's over the border of the United States, right?
17:00But it gets stranger.
17:02What were you able to figure out by looking at the GPS coordinates?
17:06The green, as you see the actual GPS coordinates on there, is the path and see it circling.
17:13Circling? For 40 minutes? But how and why? The scientists of the SCU are as perplexed as we are.
17:24Is there any natural, prosaic explanation that you were able to come up with
17:30that can explain how an object with no visible means of propulsion could circle?
17:35No, not that I can think of.
17:37So a genuine anomaly?
17:39A genuine anomaly.
17:40We have no rational explanation that we can come up with to explain how you can get this effect,
17:46what it would be doing, moving for this length of time.
17:49Curiously, some of the objects spotted on the East Coast last year also seemed to defy explanation.
17:57I spoke to John and Jerry Tedesco, two citizen UAP researchers,
18:03who recorded these strange objects on their hyperspectral camera.
18:08They're hard to make out.
18:10And the Tedesco brothers say that's no accident.
18:14They seem to be, lack of a better term, almost like they seem to be absorbing light.
18:22They're not reflecting light at all.
18:25There are some cases where they come up, they're darker than the rest of the environment.
18:28Almost like a black body source.
18:29Like a black body source.
18:31Do you believe that what you are seeing is potentially evidence of a non-human intelligence?
18:37Yeah, I think we have to consider that.
18:40It's something that needs to be considered.
18:42I mean, we have to collect more data, but I mean, there's some bizarre features of these objects.
18:47Or at least the technology is quite different from what we've seen previously.
18:51And it certainly doesn't align with current day technology.
18:53The changes in spectral signatures and the sudden appearances and disappearances
18:59and some of the flight behaviors are very strange.
19:02So if the UAP hypothesis is worth pursuing, we wanted to know, could those Arizona sightings
19:11have anything to do with the most famous Arizona sighting of all?
19:16There are at least 10,000 to 20,000 witnesses.
19:21Could there be more secrets buried across the state?
19:24He said that's the way we do things.
19:26We hide things in plain sight.
19:27He said right under the noses of the public.
19:29Stay with us.
19:31Arizona is clearly something of a UAP hotspot.
19:47That's why we've come here to Phoenix to investigate what is probably the biggest mass sighting in
19:54U.S. history.
19:55Hey, Lynn, how are you?
19:57Good to finally meet you at long last.
19:59Dr. Lynn Keatai's a physician.
20:01So what's she doing at a UFO museum?
20:04Well, she's one of the many Arizonans who witnessed the most famous mass UAP sighting in the state's history,
20:10the famed Phoenix Lights incident of 1997.
20:14She spent the years since making a scientific case that it defies normal explanation.
20:20This series of sightings took the state by storm on March 13th, 1997, when thousands of witnesses across hundreds of miles reported anomalous objects in the sky.
20:34Some people saw a structured craft, not just lights.
20:37Oh, yes.
20:38It's either V-shaped or boomerang-shaped or triangle-shaped.
20:42Take me to the 13th of March, 1997.
20:45About 8.30 that evening, I saw lights pop up, three lights, far north, and about 20 to 10, suddenly I see six lights pop on at a distance.
20:59I run out there with my video camera, and as I'm fumbling to get it focused, these six lights had turned to three massive, three endpoints of a V, or triangle.
21:11How many witnesses are you aware of that witnessed that event?
21:16There are at least 10,000 to 20,000 witnesses so close.
21:21What were they saying they saw?
21:22It was very silent.
21:24We have pilots and professionals that were right underneath these, what they called, canisters of spinning energy,
21:31that they would look up and think that it was going to drop down on them.
21:37However, not everyone took the sighting seriously, including then-Governor Fife Symington.
21:43Let me just say that I believe it's a serious offence for anyone, human, space alien, or otherwise, to engage in mysterious activity in our nighttime skies.
21:53A decade later, Symington would not only admit to having witnessed the Phoenix lights himself,
21:58he'd also admit to believing it was an alien craft.
22:02At the time, though, he was successful in downplaying what he and everyone else had seen.
22:08That put a lid on it for a while, but as an investigator myself, I called every military base.
22:16And I get a call from one of the heads of PR at the Air National Guard.
22:22And she says, oh, Dr. Lynn, I think we know what those lights were back in March.
22:25And she says, Maryland Air National Guard was in town sending off military illumination flares in Operation Snowbird.
22:32Flares became the official explanation.
22:35But Dr. Kitai says the Air Force failed to duplicate with flares what people say they saw.
22:43Three Air National Guard came in town right before the third anniversary to show everyone,
22:48they really publicised it, the Phoenix lights, and talk about a joke.
22:53Not only did they fall apart immediately, they tried to make a triangle, and one of the lights just fizzled out.
23:00There was usually smoke trails, just what flares do to date.
23:04The Phoenix lights have never been reenacted or explained.
23:09Do you buy the line that the Phoenix lights were flares?
23:12Well, they weren't flares, we know that.
23:14So what you're referring to is something we call white phosphorus flares,
23:17usually dropped out at the end of an aircraft.
23:20They're very luminous, and they're used for nighttime illumination or for targeting.
23:23Sure.
23:24What happens is that they flare up, they come down on a parachute, and then they dissipate.
23:28They burn out, right?
23:29That didn't happen.
23:30That did not happen.
23:31Who just disappeared?
23:33Let's assume hypothetically that it's an alien intelligence.
23:37Why would a non-human intelligence go and fly craft over a town like Phoenix in such an overt way?
23:46Phoenix itself and Arizona itself is open, and there's a large history here of Native Americans that are very open to these phenomena.
23:55It's been happening for centuries.
23:57Supposedly there are vortexes, they call them, and portals, and as the Native Americans, they believe there's a portal or gateway in that area.
24:06These vortexes are said to be concentrated centres of energy, which, it's claimed, act as interdimensional portals.
24:15Yes, this theory seems far-fetched.
24:18And yet the portals exist, according to John Dover, a retired paranormal investigator with the Navajo Rangers.
24:27Have you heard of the portals?
24:29Oh, yeah.
24:30Yeah.
24:31We've got areas on our reservation.
24:34You could actually walk into one of these things, not even see it.
24:37Is it part of Native American culture and mythology that there have been visitations from other people?
24:44The verbal history is passed down generation to generation exactly as it was told.
24:53So they talk about it.
24:56They talk about what they call holy people or gods coming to them and imparting knowledge.
25:03Dover and others point to ancient petroglyphs like these, which depict odd humanoid figures as potential evidence that non-human intelligence has been visiting their lands for centuries.
25:16And remember, one of the more puzzling border patrol videos, La Bruja, was recorded on Native American tribal territory.
25:24Do you believe that those ancestors of yours saw those craft?
25:29I believe they did.
25:31The evidence points that way.
25:33I don't know if you've ever tried to make a petroglyph on your own with modern tools.
25:38It is hard, really, really hard, hard work.
25:42And yet they took all that time and effort to put these things on the wall.
25:47They're actually recounting historical events that they actually witnessed.
25:54What we're starting to see, what the evidence leads to, is the idea that these things all involve dimensional travel.
26:03Really?
26:04And believe it or not, Bob Thompson says some of his colleagues in Border Patrol have also reported encounters with interdimensional portals.
26:13I've gotten, you know, eyewitness reports, statements from agents that have told me that they've seen other things, including, you know, openings of portals even, on some of these cameras.
26:24I beg your pardon? Agents have told you they've seen portals?
26:27Portals opening in the sky.
26:29Could hidden portals explain the recurrence of UAP activity in Arizona?
26:35And has the government quite literally buried the secrets that could solve the mystery of the Arizona UAPs?
26:43I think there is a portal site in there.
26:45And that portal site has been contained by the federal government because they probably can't control it.
26:50That, plus Bob Thompson's never-before-seen video, next.
27:07Our investigation now takes us to Sedona, Arizona, long considered the capital of American New Age spirituality.
27:15It's also a UFO hotspot.
27:18And if you believe the locals, they think they've got the answer to crack our mystery.
27:28Ah, Jeremiah.
27:30Ross, how are you?
27:31Good to see you at long last.
27:33Jeremiah Horstman and Alexandra Caldwell have been exploring the Sedona area for more than a decade.
27:39They're among the many people who believe there's an interdimensional portal here, which is the original source of the UAP visitations,
27:46and is now part of a secret government base dedicated to UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering.
27:54I think there is a portal site in there.
27:56And that portal site has been contained by the federal government.
27:59Yes, of course, secret government programs concerning non-human intelligence and technology sound absurd.
28:07But multiple credible sources have stated that there is a program known as Immaculate Constellation dedicated to UAPs.
28:18Which is the parent program is the language used for UAP crash retrieval, reverse engineering, and apparently a very large database.
28:30Respected journalist Michael Schellenberger spoke to me about Immaculate Constellation last year and then testified to Congress about it.
28:39Unfortunately, there is a growing body of evidence that the U.S. government is not being transparent about what it knows about unidentified anomalous phenomena.
28:48And we're trying to figure out if the United States has salvaged stuff.
28:53And the rumors we keep on hearing are that perhaps it's underground.
28:58Yes, and you're more or less walking distance from what we believe is one of those underground facilities.
29:03You actually think there's one here somewhere?
29:05Right here.
29:06Alex, you've described an incident where you saw a disk being accompanied by or pursued by helicopters.
29:13Tell me what you saw.
29:14So we were in our backyard.
29:16It was approximately 10, just after 10 a.m.
29:19So it's the morning, clear day?
29:21Clear day.
29:22Clear day.
29:23What do you see?
29:24So we see seven Apache helicopters fly overhead.
29:28And we took a picture with what we had with us, which was just an iPad.
29:33But you can see in the photograph a silver UAP of some sort.
29:38They were following it or chasing it.
29:41It looked like the helicopters were escorting it.
29:44Additionally, Jeremiah and Alexandra have taken photos of what they call a square-shaped hillside entrance with an intense light emanating from inside.
29:56Anyone would be sceptical about such claims in the absence of hard evidence.
30:01The thing is, though, we've spoken to Jake Barber, a former military operative who says he actually flew helicopters for a secret government UAP program himself.
30:14My work has included the recovery of downed UAP of non-human origin.
30:20So tell me about the moment when you realized that you were involved in a retrieval of non-human technology, alien tech.
30:30So it became very clear the first time our communication process and procedure was modified.
30:38And then just visually looking at the object on the ground, you could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous.
30:45It was not human.
30:47How close did you get?
30:49Well, I was a helicopter pilot and I operate with a 150 foot to 200 foot long line.
30:55So I got within 150 feet of this object.
30:58What did you see?
30:59I saw an egg, a white egg.
31:02Was there any visible propulsion system on it?
31:05No, not what we would know. There's no engine. There was no thermal signature.
31:10I was operating at night when I finally came in to pick it up. So I'm working under night vision goggles at the time.
31:17And it was quite clear. I flipped them up, flipped them down and looked at it a couple of different ways.
31:24How large was the object?
31:26I would say approximately 20 feet plus or minus a little bit, about the size of a large SUV.
31:32Did it have any seams?
31:34No.
31:35Seamless.
31:36And it was pure white?
31:38It was like pearly white, like a metallic pearly white, the best I could assess.
31:44How did you know that that egg shaped object was non-human in origin?
31:49Well, visually, it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking. It's inconsistent with anything I'd ever seen before.
31:57We all knew we were dealing with something extraordinary.
32:02This video, provided exclusively to News Nation, shows a similar alleged egg retrieval.
32:09And while Jake Barber wasn't operating in Arizona, many Sedona locals say the so-called legacy program does have another secret base here.
32:22The author and long-time Sedona resident, Tom Dongo, has been a proponent of this theory for years.
32:29Do you think there's some kind of secret, perhaps underground base?
32:33Yes. Yes, absolutely.
32:35Like many locals, Tom believes much of this activity centres on and around a property known as the Bradshaw Ranch.
32:43And he says he has evidence to prove it.
32:46So, on the Bradshaw Ranch, the owner, Linda Bradshaw, asked me to come out, because I was known as a researcher, and look at some of this stuff.
32:57And we saw strange things flying around.
32:59Like what?
33:00Well, they're this, for example.
33:03What is that?
33:04Strange lights.
33:05Well, I took this photograph myself.
33:08And this is just off the Bradshaw Ranch.
33:10But these things, these orbs of light would come out of the ground and fly off.
33:15What's your theory?
33:16Well, it's interdimensional.
33:17I think it's coming from other dimensions, most of it.
33:20And on the Bradshaw Ranch, there was a portal.
33:22So, are they, is this, is this just US military, or is it just alien, or are they together?
33:28Hypothetically, if they have recovered craft, someone's hiding it somewhere, aren't they?
33:34Well, that we know.
33:35And can I ask you, do you know those locations?
33:38I cannot elaborate on what the government might or might not have in its possession and where it might be located.
33:44The Pentagon won't allow Elizondo to elaborate publicly on the matter.
33:49So, we made our own visit to the Bradshaw Ranch with Jeremiah and Alexandra to see what's going on there for ourselves.
33:57The property now lies abandoned, except for this interesting fenced off area being used for scientific research.
34:05Let me ask you this.
34:07The sign here says that this is the Southwest Experimental Garden Array, or SEGA.
34:12So, it's not a military facility at all. It's a scientific project. Have we got it wrong?
34:17Well, that's what they're saying, but the locals know that something else is going on, so that's more of a cover story.
34:24You're saying not only is this a secret military base, it's also the site of a paranormal location?
34:29Very much so.
34:30The theory, as wacky as it may sound, is that UAPs spotted all around Arizona are travelling through an interdimensional portal that is now part of a deep underground military base.
34:42But before we buy into that, we wanted to see if we can observe any of these UAPs for ourselves.
34:49So, this is your secret spot, Melinda?
34:51Yes, yes.
34:52UFO tour guide Melinda Leslie has spent 13 years spotting anomalies in the desert skies just outside Sedona.
34:59I can say unequivocally, from all the tours that I've done, that sightings here are extremely real.
35:06People talk about an underground base. You say with certainty that there is one.
35:11Well, there is a tremendous amount of evidence.
35:13Well, Melinda, we'd like to see it for ourselves. Can we come out with you this evening?
35:17Please come. I'm looking very forward to showing you.
35:20Everybody come, go ahead and grab yourself a chair.
35:23So, it's coming up to midnight, and Melinda's been seeing increased activity.
35:29Anomalous objects doing extraordinary things, and often escorted by dozens of military helicopters.
35:37So, we're hoping we might see some tonight.
35:40Okay, Melinda, what are these things?
35:42Well, these are the PVS-7 Generation 3 military night vision goggles.
35:47And they allow us to see roughly 50,000 times more light than we see with our naked eyes.
35:53The base is under these hills and on the other side from where we are.
35:59So, we're looking for anything moving.
36:02Now, I kind of think...
36:03There's an orb straight ahead of me.
36:06There's two together right there.
36:09Oh, look, there's something...
36:10There's a military chopper coming up.
36:12Oh, wow.
36:13So, this is what you're talking about.
36:16There's a military chopper in proximity to those objects.
36:18Yeah.
36:19So, there's these two here, and there's these two right here.
36:22And he came up right behind them.
36:24So, if nothing else, Melinda, I'm satisfied that I'm seeing a lot of choppers hovering and moving with purpose around other objects which are demonstrably anomalous.
36:39Yes.
36:40Yes.
36:41Is there a connection that ties it all together?
36:44What we've seen in Sedona, the Phoenix Lights, the ancient Native American sightings, and the Border Patrol videos Bob Thompson has made public.
36:52Before you decide, Bob still has one more video to share with the public.
36:57It's nothing that I've ever seen before.
36:59That video has never been released until tonight.
37:03What it shows and what it all means next.
37:06From watching videos to witnessing with our own eyes.
37:16We can now say with virtual certainty something strange is happening in the skies over Arizona.
37:22No, we didn't find a secret government base, a portal, or a crashed UFO.
37:28But we did find plenty of reasons from videos to documents to expert and eyewitness testimony to keep investigating.
37:37And as the New Jersey drone plague underscored, this is no longer a matter of curiosity.
37:44It's a matter of national security.
37:47So it seems only right that we return to the man who started this whole investigation with one brave act.
37:55Has whistleblowing taken a toll on you?
37:57It has. It has.
37:58Sir, I hope one day there comes a time in America where people like you, who've had the courage to come forward, are properly recognised and honoured.
38:07I really applaud Bob for what he did. I'm glad it came out.
38:11Until that day comes, Bob will keep doing what he's doing.
38:15You think there's something there, don't you?
38:17I do think there's something there.
38:19What it is, I don't know. But I think it is non-human.
38:26And now he has one more piece of video evidence to share with the world.
38:33What do you call that one?
38:35That one I think is known as the cigar video.
38:37Bob says not much is known about this sighting other than that it was shot by a CBP reconnaissance plane, probably an RC-26, which usually flies at about 25,000 feet.
38:49The plane was in the same vicinity as the rubber duck when it captured this object moving quickly in a straight line without discernible wings or propellers.
38:58So that's the object you're talking about. It's like a stubby little cylinder.
39:03That's correct.
39:04The thing I find fascinating is that in the FOI'd US Air Force reports, there are pilots that report coming across cylindrical objects at hugely high altitudes.
39:16Well, that might fit the bill.
39:18To be certain, we return to the scientists at the SCU for analysis.
39:23It's nicknamed the cigar. And we'd like you to have a look at it.
39:31There seems to be an effect following it, like a trail. And that could be the fact that it's got propulsion.
39:36So then the question is, could this be a missile?
39:40A missile? Maybe. But Peter Reale has a different take.
39:45The intriguing part is it doesn't seem to have any lift capability of, you know, any lift mechanism.
39:52It doesn't appear to have an engine. It's one saw.
39:55It's one saw.