00:00A lot more people have got into trouble in the UK for free speech offences than in Putin's Russia.
00:05Right.
00:05Well, they just end up in jail and disappeared if they're in Putin's Russia, don't they?
00:08Or they end up falling off a balcony.
00:10Look, if you're going to wield the mantle of freedom, of liberty, of democracy, you've got to model it.
00:21You've got to demonstrate it.
00:22This is absolutely extraordinary that you're defending Putin's Russia.
00:25I can't...
00:25I'm not defending Putin's Russia.
00:27Well, you did sound like you were there.
00:28It sounded a bit like it.
00:29Absolutely, absolutely not.
00:31What I'm saying is...
00:31You said that more people are pulled up for free speech here than they are in Russia.
00:36I find that extraordinary.
00:37We have a free press.
00:38Look at all the papers lined up here.
00:40Look at the discussion that you and I are having in a studio here.
00:42We can source it later.
00:44Can we?
00:44The critical point...
00:45Will you send me an email?
00:47Gladly.
00:48The critical point is that if we are to preserve the values of liberty, if we're going to try to uphold freedom of speech and freedom of speech, we've got to model it.
00:57And we want to confront the evils of the Putin regime.
