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00:00If your happiness depends on the actions of others,
00:05you know, you're at mercy of things that you can't control.
00:08The best-selling author and host.
00:10The number one health and wellness podcast.
00:12On Purpose with Jay Shetty.
00:15Yeah, I'm not even just saying this.
00:16I literally think I manifested this.
00:20Like, it's the...
00:20After I saw you at Simi and Hayes' house,
00:24so that was a couple months ago, and then a few weeks ago,
00:26my... I was talking to my social media girl randomly.
00:29We were just talking about a bunch of stuff
00:30and just kind of what I would love to represent
00:34and just talking about a new chapter for me and whatever.
00:37And I was... She was like,
00:38who would you really want to, like, talk to or whatever?
00:40And I was like, it'd be so cool to talk to Jay.
00:42And she was like, that would be really cool.
00:45And then we kind of just...
00:45That was kind of the thought and whatever.
00:47And then you hit me and I was like,
00:49no freaking way he's hitting me right now.
00:51So I was like, absolutely.
00:52This is, like, perfect.
00:54It's the universe just putting it in perfect timing because...
00:56That makes me so happy because it was exactly
00:58the opposite way.
01:00So I've for a long time had people
01:03that I'd love to sit down with.
01:04And every time I saw you do something
01:05with mental health and Vogue
01:06or any of the segments that you ever did,
01:09I was just like, she's amazing.
01:10Like, you know, it's incredible to...
01:12The way you were talking about it,
01:13when you'd post about it,
01:14I'd be like, oh, this is incredible.
01:15Like, to see you speaking so openly about it,
01:18invulnerably about it.
01:19And so I've always wanted to do this.
01:21Yeah.
01:21And then...
01:22But we've never really crossed paths.
01:24Right.
01:24And so I'm always just a bit like...
01:26And I don't like asking friends of friends
01:27when I haven't met someone.
01:28Right.
01:29So I was like, that day I had to, like,
01:31pluck up the courage.
01:32I'm just going to ask of myself.
01:33No, it's perfect.
01:34Because it's easier when I ask.
01:35And I know Christy, so...
01:36Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:37But I was like, it's nicer when there's...
01:39I told my team too.
01:40I was like, it's so much nicer
01:41when there's, like, a personal connection.
01:42For sure.
01:42And someone really feels comfortable
01:44rather than it's, like, a PR thing.
01:46No, it was so perfect.
01:48Like, when I think back to it,
01:49I'm like, that was me just trusting the universe
01:51and not pushing for anything.
01:53And I knew it was going to kind of happen
01:55when it was supposed to.
01:56And it literally did.
01:56And it did, yeah.
01:57So you felt it too.
01:58Yeah, I did.
01:59That means the world to me.
02:00Yeah.
02:00And I hope that this is the start
02:01of spending more time together.
02:03Me too.
02:03Me too.
02:03Yeah, off camera too.
02:05I would love that.
02:06Because, like, I think also...
02:08I don't know.
02:08Like, I admire people like you.
02:10I admire, like, you know,
02:12the Michael Pollan's
02:14and Michael Singer's
02:15and Wim Hof's of the world.
02:17And I feel like you fit in that category for me
02:19of just people that are...
02:20Because, you know,
02:20I know a little bit about your story.
02:22I'd like to actually know more,
02:23which would be really cool to actually...
02:24I know we're obviously not here
02:26for that, exactly.
02:28But for me, just personally,
02:29like, I'd love to know more of your story.
02:31I know that you've had quite the experiences.
02:34And I think that's so cool.
02:36I'm, like, so intrigued by people
02:37with just that amount of curiosity
02:39and, like, determination and patience.
02:42Like, that takes so much patience
02:44to be, like, you
02:46or, like, any of those people
02:47that I just listed.
02:48It's so cool to me.
02:49And I just...
02:50I wish, I wish for myself,
02:51but I'm working on it.
02:52No, you're that curious too.
02:54You're that curious in your own way.
02:55I am.
02:55It's just, you know,
02:56that level of, like I said,
02:58patience and determination
02:59is, like, it's a gift.
03:02Like, that is, like,
03:03a really, really amazing gift.
03:05And, like I said,
03:06like, I'm just working on it all the time.
03:08And that's my goal in life, I guess.
03:10Well, I think I feel the same way
03:12about you again that...
03:14And by the way,
03:14I love all those people
03:15you just mentioned too.
03:16So I feel very honored
03:17to be put into that group of people.
03:19And we've had Wim on the podcast before too,
03:20so he's been a guest.
03:21But with you,
03:23I feel the same way back
03:24when it's, like,
03:25when you see someone
03:25who is so curious,
03:27who could get away
03:28with not worrying about these things
03:30if you don't want to,
03:30but then still being courageous enough
03:32to talk about these things
03:33and then using your platform
03:34as a space
03:35to open up these dialogues.
03:36Like, that is as,
03:38if not more important as well
03:40as doing the work
03:41and doing the path.
03:42Yeah.
03:43I mean, I can see you doing the work.
03:44It's fun watching you do the work
03:46and figuring it out.
03:46I love working on myself.
03:48Like, it is actually,
03:49like, a passion of mine.
03:51And, like, I just...
03:52I find so much comfort and joy
03:55in, like, actually finding
03:57where I think I could better myself
03:59and being, like...
04:00Even if it's physical,
04:01like, physical as in, like,
04:02my physical health
04:03or working out
04:04or I just started doing...
04:05Speaking of Wim Hof,
04:06I just started doing, like,
04:07cold plunges and ice baths
04:08and, like, even if I don't have
04:09the time to go outside,
04:10I just got a cold plunge.
04:11I did it right before I got here.
04:13It's the best thing ever.
04:14I did it this weekend, yeah.
04:15It's also...
04:15Again, it takes so much mental...
04:18The whole thing of it
04:18is all mental.
04:19So, I don't know.
04:20Just stuff like that
04:21I really love.
04:22So, I'm always...
04:23I'm always trying to just
04:25be the best version of me.
04:27And so, I just love that.
04:28It, like, actually makes me
04:30feel really good.
04:30I love self-care
04:31and I just love stuff like that.
04:32So, it's been really cool.
04:34But it's cool for you
04:35to say that you enjoy
04:37seeing that from me
04:38because there's always been
04:39kind of this weird part of it
04:41for me where I'm like,
04:42is this a pity party?
04:44Because I don't want it to be.
04:45Like, I want this to feel
04:46very positive.
04:48I want to connect with people
04:49and I guess that is my goal there
04:51is to be like,
04:52there actually is this side of me
04:53that you may not know of.
04:55But the goal here
04:57is to connect
04:58and also not feel like
05:01I'm throwing some pity party
05:02for myself
05:03because I want this
05:04to be a learning experience
05:05for everyone.
05:06I want this to be really positive
05:07and really well received.
05:09I want you to look at it
05:09and actually have
05:10a positive feeling towards it.
05:12So, I don't know.
05:13You'll find, like, if I,
05:14you know, when I do
05:15kind of post about something
05:16or when I want to talk
05:17about something,
05:18I'm usually sharing a tip
05:19or, like, sharing
05:20kind of like a little technique
05:22even if it's something
05:22so simple as, like,
05:24walking outside,
05:25taking a few deep breaths
05:25and journaling.
05:26Like, it's just
05:27that kind of stuff
05:28that I really like
05:29to share
05:31because I feel like
05:32I want to be helpful
05:32more than anything.
05:34Absolutely.
05:34And that's how,
05:35that's at least how I see it.
05:36Like, I see it not completely,
05:38not as a pity party at all
05:39but so much more as just,
05:41hey, here's a reminder
05:42or here's something that I did.
05:43And I feel like
05:44that positivity shines through too
05:46in the way you do it.
05:47So, at least if that helps,
05:49whatever that's worth
05:49from the outside,
05:51it definitely comes across that way.
05:53Cool.
05:53And this has easily been
05:54the warmest introduction
05:55to a flow of a conversation
05:57I've ever experienced
05:58in my entire life
05:59of doing this.
05:59I was going to say,
06:00I was actually really nervous
06:01coming in here
06:02because this means so much to me.
06:04Like, and I'm serious
06:05because, you know,
06:06I've done a lot of interviews
06:07in my life
06:08and when thinking about this one
06:10or thinking about that
06:11I even wanted to do
06:12something like this,
06:13it just, it means a lot to me.
06:15And so, it made me
06:16a little nervous.
06:17And I was like,
06:17I just want to get this right.
06:19This isn't like, you know,
06:19me going out
06:20and promoting something
06:21or talking about something.
06:22This is, you know,
06:23something very real
06:24that we all experience
06:26which is just, you know,
06:28ourselves and our well-being
06:30and just everything.
06:31So.
06:32Yeah.
06:32And this is, this is a,
06:33you know, for me genuinely
06:34and I really do mean this,
06:36like the podcast
06:36has been a great excuse
06:39or really from my side
06:41an intention
06:41to get to know people
06:42I really admire.
06:44Yeah.
06:44And so for me,
06:45it's been a great way
06:46of building new friendships
06:47and relationships
06:47because if you can sit
06:48and talk to someone
06:49and really get along
06:50with each other,
06:50you're like,
06:51oh, we should do this
06:51more often.
06:52And so.
06:52Well, I'm honored.
06:53Yeah.
06:54So for me,
06:54it's definitely been that
06:55and to me, you know,
06:58you saying that
06:58and, you know,
06:59taking it as intentionally
07:00as you are,
07:01it's, you know,
07:02for me, it's as important.
07:03I always share this
07:04before we start recording
07:05usually,
07:05but we just flowed.
07:07Hey, everyone.
07:08Welcome back to On Purpose,
07:10the number one health podcast
07:11in the world.
07:12Thanks to each
07:12and every single one of you
07:13that come back every week
07:15to listen, learn and grow.
07:17So now it's very rare
07:18that I get to sit down
07:19with someone
07:19that I have admired
07:20for a very long time
07:21from afar,
07:22someone that I believe
07:23has inspired me
07:24through the sharing
07:25of their story,
07:26someone who speaks
07:27so vulnerably and openly
07:28about the things
07:29that I most care about,
07:30mental health, purpose,
07:31the journey of life
07:33and discovery
07:33and curiosity.
07:35And what I want to share
07:37about this person
07:37is when I bumped into them
07:38at a mutual friend's
07:39birthday party
07:40and I just want to give
07:40a big shout out
07:41to Simeon Hayes
07:42because this wouldn't happen
07:43without them.
07:43I love you, Simeon Hayes.
07:44You've been amazing guests
07:45on the podcast before as well.
07:47I wouldn't have bumped
07:48into this individual
07:49and had this opportunity
07:50to reach out to them
07:51and as soon as I reached out,
07:53this has been the most
07:54flowing conversation
07:55and connection
07:56that I've possibly had
07:57on the podcast
07:57to be honest.
07:58So I just want to put that out.
08:00I'm speaking about
08:00the one and only,
08:01someone who needs
08:01no introduction
08:02but successful business founder,
08:04international supermodel,
08:06founder of the incredibly
08:07successful tequila brand
08:09818
08:09and star on the Hulu's
08:11The Kardashians
08:12which premieres
08:13in second season
08:14on September 22nd,
08:16the one and only
08:17Kendall Jenner.
08:18Kendall, thank you
08:18so much for doing this.
08:20Thanks for having me.
08:20That was a wonderful introduction.
08:22Oh, well,
08:23it's honestly been
08:24such an honor
08:25getting to know someone
08:26who,
08:27it's very rare
08:28that I find someone
08:29who functions
08:30with very similar values
08:32in a personal connection sense.
08:34So when I reached out to you,
08:36I really meant
08:37everything I said
08:38and I could have written you an essay
08:39but I was like,
08:39let's spare the details
08:41and then to get your response
08:43and then for us to be here
08:44within a couple of weeks
08:45of connecting
08:46and even your message this morning,
08:48I just want people to know,
08:49I was like,
08:49the text you sent me this morning,
08:51I was like,
08:52this never happens.
08:53Like, I was like,
08:53this is amazing
08:54and I was like,
08:54and I was literally
08:55going to do the same thing
08:56and so to me,
08:57I was like,
08:57this is very rare
08:58and so I love the synergy
09:00and the flow
09:00that we're experiencing
09:01and I'm excited
09:02to get into it now.
09:04It's funny
09:04because I called,
09:05I called Hayes before
09:06the other day
09:07and I was just like,
09:08oh my God,
09:08I'm going on your friend's show
09:10and whatever
09:10and she was like,
09:12he's the best,
09:13you're just going to flow
09:14right into it,
09:14he's so easy to talk to
09:16and that's literally what happened
09:17and like I told you,
09:18I just feel like
09:19I manifested this moment
09:20for both of us
09:21and for this,
09:22just this whole experience
09:23and so I am really happy
09:25to be here
09:26and I'm honestly honored.
09:27Like I said,
09:27I admire you
09:28and there's so many people
09:30like you that I admire
09:31so I think sitting down here
09:32with you
09:33is just so cool for me
09:34and I get to talk about
09:35fun things with you.
09:37Amazing,
09:37amazing,
09:38first of many
09:38and I wanted to start with
09:40because I always like to start
09:41with just things
09:41that I've seen more recently.
09:43A couple of days ago,
09:43I think you posted
09:44a beautiful picture
09:45of you hugging your horse
09:46and you were like,
09:47you know,
09:47like snuggle time
09:48or something like that
09:49and I was just like,
09:50when did horses
09:51become a part of your life
09:52and how did you get
09:54so close to them?
09:55I think I've spent
09:56many lifetimes with horses.
09:58I think this is very,
09:59one of many lifetimes
10:00that I've had.
10:01I grew up in a horse community
10:03so where we grew up,
10:04horses everywhere,
10:05more trails
10:06than there were homes,
10:07really.
10:08And so I was always
10:09around horses
10:10and I just was deeply
10:11in love with them
10:12and I have no explanation
10:13and that's why I say
10:14I feel like in past lives
10:15I have just been around horses.
10:18Yeah,
10:18so since I was a really young kid,
10:20loved them
10:20and continue to love them
10:23my whole life.
10:24They're just the best.
10:25They're the most majestic
10:26and gorgeous
10:27and spiritual.
10:30They feel everything.
10:31I just like,
10:32it's such an honor
10:33to be in their presence
10:34and to be able to do
10:36what I can do with my horse
10:37I find so magical
10:39that I can stand
10:40in her stall with her
10:41and just like vibe out with her.
10:42I like sometimes come to like
10:44a little,
10:45get a little teary-eyed
10:46when I'm standing
10:46in my stall with her
10:47because I'm like,
10:48this is so cool
10:48that you allow me to do this
10:49and we have this connection
10:50without any words.
10:51It's just the best thing ever.
10:54So I love them.
10:55Yeah,
10:55that's so special.
10:56I have a different teary-eyed story
10:57with horses
10:58but I'll tell you
10:59the short version.
11:01So when I proposed to my wife,
11:02who I can't wait
11:03to introduce you to,
11:03when I proposed to her
11:04which was eight years ago
11:05or something like that,
11:06when I proposed to her,
11:08I organized a very,
11:09what I would consider
11:10like a very Hollywood proposal.
11:12It was too over the top
11:14and I would do it
11:15totally different today
11:16with everything I've learned.
11:17It happens.
11:18Yeah, it happens.
11:19It happens.
11:20And so we were walking
11:21by the Thames in London
11:22which is where we're both
11:23born and raised
11:23and this a cappella group
11:25jumps out
11:25and they're singing Bruno Mars
11:26and then like
11:28they give her a bouquet
11:28of flowers
11:29and then I get down
11:30on one knee,
11:31I propose,
11:31we have dinner by the river
11:32and then we walk
11:33around the corner
11:34and there's a horse room
11:36and carriage
11:37to take us around
11:38to take us around London.
11:40And so we're on this carriage,
11:41we have this beautiful,
11:42you know,
11:42path through London
11:43and then we get into the train
11:44to get back home
11:45to her parents
11:46to tell them
11:47and they already knew
11:47she's got hives
11:49all over her face.
11:50No way!
11:51She was allergic?
11:52She's allergic to horses
11:54and I found out
11:55the day I proposed to her
11:56I was like,
11:56all right,
11:57so then she was like,
11:58she had tears
11:58and when we got back
11:59her parents were like,
11:59what did you do to her?
12:00At least you got to enjoy
12:01the moment.
12:01At least you got to enjoy
12:02the moment.
12:02Yeah, it wasn't until after.
12:03But no,
12:04I love horses.
12:05Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
12:05No, I love horses
12:06the same way you do.
12:07Like I used to go to India
12:08a lot when I was a kid
12:09and that's where I first learned
12:11to be with horses
12:13and it was-
12:14I mean,
12:14they're so therapeutic.
12:16Absolutely, yeah.
12:16There's a reason
12:17there's equine therapy.
12:18It's the best.
12:19Exactly.
12:20Yeah, they make me
12:21when I'm with her.
12:24I have a few
12:24but I'm mostly
12:26with one of my horses
12:27right now
12:27because her name's
12:28Dalandra.
12:29I didn't name her.
12:30She came with her name
12:30but I call her Dylan
12:32or Dil.
12:33I love her so much
12:34but when I'm with her
12:35I genuinely
12:36I speak of like
12:37I spoke about
12:38how I've just loved horses
12:39my whole life.
12:40I feel like a kid around her.
12:42Like I feel
12:42like my 12-year-old self
12:44that would get up
12:45every morning
12:45throughout the entire summer
12:47at 8 a.m.
12:48to go just be
12:49at my trainer's facility
12:51and I would stay there
12:52from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
12:53I'd ride all her horses.
12:55I'd groom all her horses.
12:56I would just sit
12:56in the stalls
12:57with all the horses.
12:58Like it just
12:58anytime I'm with her
12:59I just have that sense
13:00of like being a child again
13:02and it's a really
13:03really good feeling.
13:04Yeah, animals have
13:04that special ability
13:06don't they?
13:06They're so awesome.
13:07Whichever animal
13:07you're attracted to
13:08and I never thought
13:10I would
13:11but when I lived
13:11as a monk
13:12the animal that's revered
13:13in India is cows
13:14and you would never
13:15think of cows
13:17being like majestic
13:19or you know
13:20in that way
13:20especially when you're
13:21not in India
13:21but the cows in India
13:22have these like
13:22lotus-like eyes
13:24like their eyes
13:24are just like
13:25absolutely stunning.
13:27And they're so special
13:28and they're such gentle animals
13:29and recently
13:30Radhi and I went
13:31trekking with gorillas
13:33in Rwanda
13:34and gorillas are the
13:35we have to go.
13:36That sounds unreal.
13:38It was unbelievable
13:39and they're the animal
13:41that's revered in Rwanda
13:42so whenever they
13:43have a new gorilla
13:44that's born
13:45they have a naming ceremony
13:46with the community
13:46and it's so beautiful
13:48but and then I heard
13:50somewhere that you
13:50your first job
13:51was you were a dog walker
13:52and so I was thinking
13:53like do you have any lessons
13:55or anything you learned
13:56by being a dog walker?
13:57I think first jobs
13:58are so interesting.
13:59Yeah, no I mean
14:00I was always
14:02a super disciplined child
14:04like meaning to my
14:05like I just loved
14:06I would put myself
14:07to bed at 7 p.m
14:09be like my mom
14:10would be like
14:10playing with me
14:11and my little sister
14:11and be like mom
14:12it's 7
14:13I gotta go to sleep
14:14like it's time
14:14for my bedtime
14:15she'd be like
14:15are you okay?
14:16And so I was always
14:18that kid
14:19and so I think
14:20I just was always
14:20really eager to like work
14:22I don't know why
14:23I just like wanted
14:23to always have something
14:24to do something
14:25that I felt passionate
14:26about that I really enjoyed
14:27and so yeah
14:28when I was young
14:29I put some flyers
14:31around our community
14:31and said I would walk dogs
14:33and I ended up getting people
14:34that would get
14:35let me have their dog
14:37for a few hours
14:37and take it for a walk
14:38so I loved animals
14:40and I liked having something to do
14:42so I spent
14:42I was a kid that liked
14:43I was a kid that liked to be by myself
14:44with animals
14:46so like
14:46I think that
14:47that was a cool
14:48very fitting thing for me
14:50because I got to be by myself
14:52walking
14:52but then also experience
14:53all these little dogs
14:54with me
14:55yeah
14:55I wish I did that
14:56I used to deliver newspapers
14:57so that was my first job
14:59and it's not as glamorous
15:00in London
15:01because it's raining
15:01was that what you were desiring
15:03or was that
15:04no I was just 14 years old
15:05and wanted to make some money
15:06yeah you were just like
15:07I need a little cash
15:07I was like I need to make some money
15:08yeah
15:09and so I was like
15:09I'm going to start doing this
15:11and you don't get to
15:11you know
15:12you'd see it in the movies
15:13where the paperboy
15:14just like chucks the paper at the door
15:16but I'd had to actually go
15:17and put it inside
15:18so my only interaction with dogs
15:19is they were on the inside
15:20grabbing the paper
15:21oh right
15:21right
15:22and so
15:22they're barking at you
15:23yeah they're barking and stuff
15:25but
15:25I always loved knowing about
15:26people's first jobs
15:27and how things started for them
15:29because of you know
15:30obviously where you are today
15:31but what do you think it was
15:33in those early years
15:34where
15:35you just said
15:36you were very disciplined
15:37like it sounds like
15:38you were aware
15:39of certain habits
15:40that you built then
15:41what were some of the things
15:42that you feel confident about
15:43or
15:44how did you look for validation
15:46in those early years
15:47and where did it come from
15:48for you
15:48I mean it's interesting
15:50so Kylie
15:50my little sister
15:51she was always
15:52the social butterfly
15:53I was always
15:54I just liked being to myself
15:57I don't know
15:58if that's the Scorpio in me
15:59so it just came naturally
16:00or whatever
16:01I had a group of friends
16:03who I loved
16:04but I just
16:05I like can vividly remember
16:07just on the weekends
16:08not running to go be with my friends
16:09all the time
16:10during the summer
16:10I was with them
16:11but on the weekends
16:12in between school
16:13I was really just
16:15by myself
16:16I would love to like
16:17hang out in my room
16:18I like was kind of a nerd
16:20I loved video games
16:21and like sitting on the computer
16:22and playing Sims all day
16:23like I just kind of liked
16:24being to myself
16:26and then all day long
16:27during the summer
16:27was with my horses
16:28and yeah
16:30I don't know
16:30I just
16:31it just brought me joy
16:32I don't think I have like
16:33you know
16:35a super long explanation
16:36for that
16:37it was so simple
16:38for me as a kid
16:39like it was just
16:40as simple as
16:41that made me happy
16:42and that's just
16:42what I wanted
16:43and it explains
16:45I guess a lot of me now
16:47I went through
16:48like a phase
16:49where I felt like
16:50I had to be around people
16:51I think I live
16:52a very social life
16:53and my job
16:53is very social
16:54so I was
16:56you know
16:57kind of conditioned
16:58to want to be around people a lot
17:00and then as
17:01you know
17:02the pandemic came around
17:03you're not around
17:04as many people anymore
17:05and now I'm just re-enjoying
17:07being by myself
17:08which is really cool
17:09yeah
17:09and I had the most
17:11I had the best day on Sunday
17:12all by myself
17:13I got up
17:14I went and rode my horses
17:15I like
17:16took my niece
17:18to ride her pony
17:19just me and her
17:21it was so nice
17:22brought her back home
17:23went to my house
17:23got in my cold plunge
17:25went in my pool
17:25laid out
17:26journaled
17:27like I was having the best day
17:29and I was just pretty much
17:29all by myself
17:30so I enjoy it so much
17:32I love that
17:32I'm sure that's so refreshing
17:33for people to hear too
17:34because I feel like
17:35people may
17:36from the outside
17:37perceive a life
17:38which obviously
17:38like you said
17:39for work
17:39it's busy
17:40and it's social
17:40and of course
17:41you have wonderful friends
17:42but to know
17:43that you can feel comfortable
17:44in your own company
17:45and that's been a habit
17:46that you've developed
17:47I crave simple things
17:49like I
17:49I love my life
17:51and I love my job
17:52and I
17:53I feel so fortunate
17:55that I have been placed here
17:57that for some reason
17:58I was given this life
17:59like I
17:59feel
18:00immensely grateful for that
18:02and I have had so much fun
18:04and I like think back
18:05on just the experience
18:06that I've had
18:06the experiences
18:07that I've had this far
18:08and it's like
18:09it's like
18:10it's shocking to me
18:11I'm like
18:11this is so freaking cool
18:12that I live this life
18:13but at the end of the day
18:15like when I am home
18:16and when I'm alone
18:16like I crave the simple things
18:18I love a simple day
18:19I love just like
18:20a simple routine
18:21and being to myself
18:23and being around the people
18:24that I love
18:25my small core crew
18:26so
18:27yeah
18:27that's beautiful
18:28yeah I mean
18:28that's I think that's
18:30what we're all striving for
18:30is that passion
18:32in our careers
18:32and our work
18:33and then
18:33the simplicity at home
18:35what would you say
18:36I was thinking about this
18:37and I've watched
18:38so many of your interviews
18:39and read so much too
18:40but
18:40what would you say
18:42for you as being
18:42one of your like
18:44proudest moments
18:45or greatest achievements
18:45or something that you
18:46really feel like
18:47and internally
18:48I mean
18:48like for the basis
18:49of our conversation
18:50like something that
18:51really brings you joy
18:52internally
18:52when you think about it
18:54or when you had it
18:55like I said
18:56I look back
18:57and the things
18:58that I've accomplished
18:59just even my job
19:01like I think
19:02I really at one point
19:03when I was younger
19:05decided I want to be a model
19:06and this is what I want to do
19:08and the fact that I executed
19:09because we talk about
19:10that determination
19:11like I really was
19:13I was 14 years old
19:14when I kind of made
19:15that decision
19:16and was like
19:16this is what I want to do
19:17and I went to my mom
19:18and I was like
19:19please help me do this
19:20and I didn't stop
19:22until I was 24
19:24that I was like
19:26okay I think I need
19:27to like take it back a notch
19:28which we can also get into
19:29because that's a very
19:30kind of dramatic story
19:32but like
19:32I just knew
19:35and I think I'm proud
19:36of myself
19:37for being that kid
19:39and being determined
19:40to do that
19:40and then executing
19:41and doing it
19:42to the level
19:43that I had done it
19:44and that I guess
19:45I still do
19:46but I also am proud
19:48of I think more so
19:50the self work
19:52that I've done
19:52within that process
19:53because there was
19:55a long period of time
19:56I'd say
19:57the core five years of it
19:59that I was
20:00extremely overworked
20:02not my happiest
20:03not because I wasn't
20:05doing what I loved
20:06but just because
20:07I was overwhelmed
20:08and I was
20:09I felt like
20:10I was saying yes
20:11to everything
20:11because I felt
20:12really really grateful
20:13and really honored
20:14to be in the position
20:15that I was in
20:16so I was always
20:16saying yes
20:17and it just took
20:18a lot out of me
20:20to the point where
20:21I just wasn't
20:22happy anymore
20:23and so I had to set
20:25those boundaries
20:26for myself
20:26when I was about
20:2723, 24
20:28I'd say like
20:29what a year
20:30before the pandemic
20:30so yeah
20:31I was probably 23
20:32I really set
20:33boundaries for myself
20:34and I was like
20:35I want to continue
20:35to do this
20:36because this is
20:36what I love
20:37but I need to start
20:39saying no
20:40when I can
20:41and prioritizing
20:43me
20:44and prioritizing
20:45like you know
20:47my happiness
20:47and my well-being
20:48and it has done
20:50wonders for me
20:51like I feel like
20:53I can show up
20:54better for myself
20:54and I can show up
20:56a better person
20:57for the people
20:57that get to be
20:58around me that day
20:59and you know
21:00that I work with
21:01on that day
21:02so yeah
21:03that's what I'm proud of
21:05sorry to give you
21:06a long answer
21:06to your question
21:07that's amazing
21:08I won't say
21:10I was hoping for that
21:10because I'm always
21:12open to wherever
21:12anyone's life experience
21:13goes but there's
21:14a part of me
21:14that loves hearing that
21:16like I really
21:16appreciate hearing that
21:17because when you've
21:18achieved so many
21:19incredible things
21:19in your career
21:20which you have
21:20to then say
21:21well this is the part
21:22like knowing
21:23how to navigate it
21:24or making the right
21:25choices at the right time
21:26healthy balance
21:27the healthy balance
21:28it's so important
21:29it's important
21:30for all of us
21:31like we have to
21:32this is what
21:33we're prioritizing
21:34you know
21:35yeah
21:35so
21:35how did you find
21:36the courage
21:37to do that
21:37at the 23 mark
21:39as you're saying
21:40you're in a competitive
21:41industry
21:41as you said
21:42it was overworking
21:44it's fast paced
21:45I'm guessing
21:46there's comparison
21:47in that industry
21:47there's competition
21:48in that industry
21:49it's not an easy
21:50space to be
21:51you're
21:51you know
21:52you're in the top
21:530.01%
21:54in your industry
21:55so it's hard
21:56and the reason
21:57I ask this
21:58is because I work
21:59with so many people
21:59in this space
22:00and to have the courage
22:02to say
22:02no
22:03I know
22:04that if I sort
22:05this out
22:06then all of this
22:07is going to be just fine
22:08that actually takes
22:09more courage
22:10than we recognize
22:11we realize that
22:12when you have nothing
22:13then there's nothing
22:13to lose
22:14you can actually
22:14have a lot of courage
22:15right
22:15but when you have
22:16everything
22:16and there's everything
22:17to lose
22:17and a lot of the time
22:19at least what I've heard
22:19in town is
22:21you know
22:22older managers
22:22and agents
22:23and I'm not saying
22:23you have any of this
22:24but people that I know
22:25will be told
22:25well
22:26hey if you don't do this
22:27like you'll be forgotten
22:28next year
22:29or you know
22:29your career is only going to
22:30last another six months
22:31how did you have that courage
22:33to say no no no
22:33I need to do this
22:35like where did that come from
22:36and
22:36I think that it's
22:37like I've never thought
22:38about it that way
22:39to be completely honest
22:40with you
22:40I just knew
22:42that if I had gone
22:43any further
22:44that I was going
22:45to lose myself
22:46I was at that very
22:47I was on
22:49the teeter-totter
22:50edge
22:51of that point
22:52where
22:53had I gone any further
22:54I was probably
22:56not going to be
22:56great
22:57it was so important
22:59to me
23:00to feel good
23:01that I just knew
23:03that it was something
23:03that I had to do
23:05and I can't say
23:06like
23:06you're absolutely right
23:08like
23:09there were so many
23:10people around me
23:11that had
23:12told me not
23:14to say no
23:15and told
23:15or told me
23:16yeah
23:16told me not to say no
23:17told me not to stop
23:18I fought my way
23:20out of it a little bit
23:21because there were people
23:22that had worked for me
23:23that you know
23:24didn't
23:24want me to stop
23:26because it might have
23:26benefited them
23:27of course
23:27but
23:28I got to that point
23:30and I just knew
23:31I had to do it
23:31and I just
23:32I don't know
23:32I don't know
23:33how to explain it
23:34I guess
23:34it was just such
23:36an unbelievable
23:36sensation that I had
23:38where I knew
23:39that if I do this
23:40I'm going to be
23:40better for everyone
23:41and I'm going to
23:42be better for myself
23:43which means I'm going
23:43to be better
23:44for the people
23:44around me
23:45and I have to do this
23:46and so
23:47it wasn't really
23:48I want to be able
23:50to live
23:50with happiness
23:52God forbid
23:53any of this
23:54ever went away
23:55and
23:56I think that
23:57that was a big
23:57moment for me
23:58of being like
23:59I'm going to be okay
24:00if I don't get
24:01this job tomorrow
24:02and I'm going to be okay
24:04if I don't get
24:05that job in a month
24:05if I have to take
24:06this time
24:07to do whatever
24:07things will come
24:08everything's going
24:09to work out
24:10the way it's supposed to
24:11and I had to trust that
24:12yeah
24:12well to me
24:13from the outside
24:14and it's beautiful
24:15that you didn't see
24:16it in yourself
24:16because that
24:17almost makes it
24:17even more wonderful
24:18but the idea
24:19that to me
24:19from the outside
24:20that's a lot of courage
24:20yeah
24:21thank you
24:22it takes a lot of courage
24:23it takes a lot of
24:23vulnerability and openness
24:25and it takes courage
24:26at every level
24:27whether someone's
24:28thinking about quitting
24:29their job
24:30to do something
24:30they love
24:31or whether someone's
24:32trying to relocate
24:33their family
24:33and doesn't know how
24:34or whether someone
24:35like you is feeling
24:36success but then going
24:37well wait a minute
24:38and I think in the
24:39past few years
24:39we've seen athletes
24:40and musicians
24:41and actors
24:42and people in all
24:43creative industries
24:44step back and say
24:45well I need to put me
24:46first
24:46yeah
24:47and I think
24:48that that's empowering
24:48because I think
24:50we hear about
24:50burnout in work
24:52culture and corporate
24:53culture so often
24:54for sure
24:55so what was it
24:57that you started
24:58to do at that
24:58newfound time
24:59at that time
25:00like where was
25:01is that where the
25:02curiosity always there
25:03and now you could
25:04actually follow it
25:05it was
25:05it was
25:06it was always there
25:07and I had had
25:08a lot of people
25:09coming to me
25:10telling me about
25:11meditation
25:12and how it changed
25:13their life
25:14and therapy
25:14and so many
25:16different things
25:16and I was a bit
25:18overwhelmed
25:18because I was like
25:19oh my god
25:19what if this
25:20is gonna suit me
25:21I think it's a very
25:22personal experience
25:23I think everybody
25:24has a very different
25:25version of all
25:26of that stuff
25:27and so
25:28it was a little
25:28overwhelming
25:29so I think I really
25:30just took the time
25:30to be off
25:31for a second
25:32it was even
25:32the little things
25:33it was like
25:34being able to go
25:35to my friend's
25:35birthday party
25:36which I wouldn't
25:37have been able
25:37to go to before
25:38because I was
25:39working a lot
25:39I love hearing that
25:40because I think
25:41it is those
25:42simple things
25:42like you know
25:44giving yourself
25:44that space
25:45whatever it is
25:46that you needed
25:46to do
25:47when you needed
25:48it
25:49and like you said
25:49sometimes it's like
25:50that's when all
25:51the subscribe buttons
25:52come up in front of you
25:53and it's like
25:53try this
25:53and try this
25:54and it's like
25:54well no no no
25:55let me just
25:55take my time
25:56it was also
25:57now that I think
25:58about it
25:5923
26:00I'm 26
26:01I've had my horse
26:01for
26:02so around that
26:04time
26:04is when I bought
26:06the horse
26:06that I have now
26:07who is my
26:09like I
26:10jump her
26:11and I like
26:11I have two other
26:12horses but they're
26:13like retired
26:14so I don't
26:15really ride them
26:15the same way
26:16I ride her
26:16so yeah
26:17I guess it was
26:18around that time
26:19too that I was
26:19like I'm gonna
26:20do this
26:20because I love
26:21this
26:21and like I want
26:22to get back
26:22into it
26:23and this is
26:23what I've
26:23loved my
26:24whole life
26:24so
26:25so it was
26:26around that
26:26time that I
26:26feel like
26:27all of that
26:27started happening
26:28and I bought
26:28my horse
26:29and I like
26:29started taking
26:30more time
26:31for things
26:31that made
26:32me really
26:32happy
26:33yeah
26:33what I
26:34what I'm
26:34noticing
26:35in you
26:35and observing
26:36or at least
26:36from
26:37just
26:37oh god
26:38no in a good
26:39way
26:39it's all
26:40good
26:40I was just
26:41saying it's
26:42like it feels
26:42like no matter
26:43what's happening
26:43in your
26:44orbit
26:44there's this
26:45pillar of
26:46belief that
26:47it's important
26:48to be happy
26:49yeah
26:49like you know
26:50that's like this
26:51core center
26:51belief in your
26:52life where it's
26:52important to be
26:53happy it's
26:54important to be
26:54happy it's
26:55that has to
26:56be the goal
26:57for sure
26:57and you know
26:59it's not
26:59always
27:00easy we live
27:03in such an
27:03interesting industry
27:04and in such
27:06an interesting
27:07time with
27:08social media
27:09that it can
27:10be very hard
27:11sometimes you
27:12can fall victim
27:13to so many
27:14things that
27:15don't serve
27:17you and that
27:17don't make you
27:18happy if your
27:19happiness depends
27:21on the actions
27:22of others you
27:24know you're at
27:25mercy of things
27:26that you can't
27:27control and
27:28that's never
27:29where I want to
27:30be so I
27:30always want to
27:31live in like
27:32me and my
27:33therapist talk
27:34about like my
27:34higher goddess
27:35my higher self
27:36like I always
27:37want to live
27:38there knowing
27:39that you know
27:41when I'm there
27:41you can't take
27:42that away from
27:43me that that's
27:44mine and no
27:45matter what you
27:45can disagree with
27:46me you can
27:46agree with me
27:47that's not
27:48going my I'm
27:49not changing
27:50I'm not shifting
27:50I'm here I'm
27:51in my higher
27:52goddess so I
27:54kind of I
27:55always live by
27:56like keep
27:58holding my
27:58happiness and
27:59not letting
27:59anyone else
28:00affect it and
28:01though I fall
28:01victim to it
28:02at times
28:02of course
28:03as we all
28:04probably do
28:05absolutely
28:05I strive
28:07every day to
28:08live in that
28:08place so
28:09what are some
28:10of the qualities
28:10of your
28:11higher goddess
28:12so that
28:12kind of
28:13avatar
28:14she's awesome
28:15like I said
28:17I don't love
28:17a pity party
28:18I also like
28:19you know
28:19sometimes it
28:20feels weird
28:20to like say
28:21good things
28:22about yourself
28:23but I've
28:23also learned
28:24a lot about
28:25talking to
28:25myself and a
28:26lot about
28:27looking in the
28:27mirror and
28:27being like
28:28you're great
28:29you're gorgeous
28:30you're amazing
28:31you're loyal
28:31you're positive
28:33you're so many
28:34like I love
28:35words of
28:35affirmation
28:36I love just
28:37sitting there
28:38and reassuring
28:39myself of
28:39who I am
28:40because that's
28:42another thing
28:43for me you
28:43know there's
28:44so many false
28:46narratives about
28:47me about all
28:48of us I'm
28:48sure like so
28:50many people
28:50think they have
28:51you figured
28:51out when they
28:53don't even know
28:53the half of
28:54it so sitting
28:56there and
28:56being like
28:57you know
28:57you get
28:58frustrated
28:58sometimes
28:58it could feel
28:59really unfair
29:00you could be
29:00reading something
29:01that someone is
29:02saying about you
29:02or hearing
29:03something that
29:03someone's saying
29:04about you
29:04and being like
29:05that is so
29:05unfair because
29:06that's not
29:06who I am
29:07and that really
29:08gets to me
29:09sometimes and
29:10that really
29:10sucks
29:11but then looking
29:12at myself in
29:13the mirror and
29:13being like but
29:14I know who I
29:14am and that's
29:15all why does
29:16anything else
29:17matter and
29:18my friends know
29:19who I am and
29:19my family knows
29:20who I am my
29:21dog knows who
29:22I am my
29:22horse knows who
29:23I am like
29:23why does any of
29:25everything else
29:25it's just noise
29:26I do this
29:27exercise I don't
29:28think I've shared
29:28this before but
29:29I do this exercise
29:30with some of my
29:31clients where we'll
29:32go on a walk and
29:32we'll be on a hike
29:33wherever we are
29:34and I'll ask them
29:36what they think
29:37a piece of
29:38you know maybe
29:39there's a little
29:40leaf or maybe
29:41there's a flower
29:42or something that
29:43looks a little
29:43unique on the
29:44path and I'll
29:45say what do you
29:46think that feels
29:47like and what do
29:48you think it would
29:49feel like if you
29:49picked it up in
29:50your hand and
29:51they'll be like oh
29:52it looks really
29:52rough and like it
29:53might scratch me
29:54and like it
29:55looks like a bit
29:56you know like
29:57uneven or whatever
29:58and it looks kind
29:59of hard and
30:00strong and then
30:01I'll ask them to
30:01pick it up and
30:03nine times out of
30:04ten it's completely
30:06different like they'll
30:07pick it up and it'll
30:07just dissolve in their
30:08hands or they'll turn
30:09it over and the
30:10color's really soft
30:11sorry the shape the
30:13shape's really soft
30:14and the color's
30:14totally different on
30:15the other side and
30:16I do that exercise to
30:18help us realize just
30:18how multifaceted humans
30:20are yeah today I've
30:21got to meet you and
30:22and obviously we're
30:23spending a lot of
30:23deep intimate
30:24vulnerable time
30:25together so you
30:26learn faster about
30:27someone but if
30:27someone only follows
30:28someone on social
30:29media or only see
30:30someone at an event
30:31or only sees one
30:33interview it's so
30:34easy to create such
30:35a singular view of
30:36someone right and I
30:37think and I want to
30:39say this because I
30:39really think we all
30:40feel it I don't
30:41think anyone wants
30:42to be seen in a
30:44singular way if you
30:46had to choose one
30:47word that had to be
30:49you for the rest of
30:50your life I don't
30:50think anyone knows
30:51that I think we
30:52all know that
30:52we're messy and
30:54complex and different
30:56of course but we
30:57like to put someone
30:58else in a box
30:59whoever that may be
31:00because it's easier
31:02than to live life
31:03and say okay well
31:03that's persons a
31:05b right yeah so
31:07there's this
31:08beautiful piece of
31:09wisdom that I
31:09always share from
31:10Charles Horton
31:11Cooley and he
31:12wrote this in 1890
31:14I think it was which
31:15just shows how true
31:16this has been for
31:17such a long time and
31:18obviously long before
31:19that as well and he
31:21said the challenge
31:22today is I'm not
31:23what I think I am I'm
31:25not what you think I
31:26am I am what I
31:28think you think I
31:29am and we'll let
31:31that blow everyone's
31:32mind for it gives me
31:33chills every time I
31:33say it yeah Charles
31:35Horton Cooley said
31:36the challenge today is
31:37I'm not what I think
31:38I am I'm not what
31:39you think I am I am
31:42what I think you
31:43think I am and what
31:45he's trying to say is
31:46that we live in a
31:47perception of a
31:48perception of ourselves
31:49so if i think you think i'm smart then i allow myself to feel smart right it's like we need
31:56that validation or if i think you think i'm not smart then i feel hurt yeah and and the challenge
32:04is i don't know what you're thinking at all especially outside in the world and so i find
32:08that what you're saying around like well what do i think about myself like how do i feel about
32:11myself how do the people that actually know me feel about me i think that's really empowering
32:16i wanted to ask you because i feel like from from what i've seen and from what i've heard you have
32:20you have great friendships you have a great relationship with your family as you said like
32:23what do you think have been really great habits or traits in relationships that have helped you
32:29build up good friendships and and family relationships because i think for so many
32:33people sometimes their friendships and their family can often be the most difficult part
32:37but i feel like the way you communicate the way you're talking about i'm like okay there's some
32:41really good habits in place here yeah have there been any principles or rules that you've learned
32:45along the way that have been helpful i mean of course honesty um i'm a big person on like
32:52keeping a really honest healthy communicative relationship um but i also think like i find
33:00it really important to have not feel like you're on top of each other when you have your family around
33:05or your friends around it's okay to like sometimes even if you're at like a family dinner running to
33:10the bathroom and just being like let me just take a couple breaths because this is getting
33:14overwhelming you know what i mean so i just love to like take a second my feelings are valid like
33:20sometimes my family's a lot which i bet everyone all already knows everyone's families have a sense
33:26of crazy to them but but i think that i can get really overwhelmed really easily i am prone to just
33:32you know a good amount of anxiety and just being extremely overwhelmed and kind of taking everything
33:39too seriously sometimes so i like to just step away sometimes and just be like this is okay i'm
33:43allowed to feel this way it's valid i'm just going to take a deep breath and i'm not going to react and
33:47then i'm going to go back out there and i'm going to be fine that's a great sometimes i do that i love
33:51that i love how easy it is we don't need no one needs to learn a new meditation practice so
33:56when you think sometimes it's just as simple as that yeah it's as simple as that i love that
34:00i you know one of the things that you know when which which really touched my heart when i saw this
34:05because i think when things happen in culture and and everyone talks about it but but sometimes
34:10you're like okay well i can tell that there's a real connection here like when when you lost virgil
34:14right like that when i when i saw your message and what you spoke about it i was like wow this is
34:19this is someone who had a really deep connection with this individual and going through grief is
34:23really really tough like you know people who lose and i lost uh two really close people to me during
34:28the pandemic i'm sorry uh one was thank you one was one was my spiritual teacher since i was 12 years
34:34old and he died of stage 4 brain cancer and i hadn't seen him during the pandemic i couldn't go back
34:40for his because that was still when it was like yeah i couldn't go back for his funeral and you know
34:46he'd been the person who'd been such a key piece of my life and then the other person pretty much in
34:52the same year was my best friend as a monk so he was still a monk wow and he happened to get cancer
34:58and he passed away during the pandemic i couldn't see him either and he was my age and so to lose
35:02someone that was you know he was still there and so oh yeah and so and so when i saw your you know
35:08your wonderful tribute to virgil as well i was like you know how how do you process something like
35:14that when you know it's not only industry friends but genuine friendship beyond that and just
35:19how did how yeah well my first thought here is why is it always the best people like why is it
35:25always these people that are just such balls of light in everyone's life it's like so you just think
35:31about and you're like this is so unfair and you're going through every emotion and to be honest it was
35:37really shocking because not everyone knew what he was um going through and suffering from so it was
35:45really shocking um i'll never forget the day i found out and it just absolutely obviously breaks
35:53your heart and you can't help but be like oh my god did i did i ever say enough did i ever tell him
36:01enough it's really interesting to share that feeling with so many people yeah it feels good in a way and
36:09you're just like everyone it makes you feel so human and you're sharing this emotion with people
36:14that knew him people that didn't know him people that just loved him from afar and it's just a really
36:21beautiful and incredible thing to a certain degree but then also just obviously the most
36:27devastating thing it hits so hard when so many people are talking about it and so many people are
36:34affected by it so it was definitely um a really shocking really sad time yeah it was yeah yeah and
36:43those and and it's really interesting what you said there is like why and and i had that with my
36:47spiritual teacher for sure i was just like like he was you know and and what's really powerful about
36:54what i could at least remember from him at that time was that even though he had stage 4 brain cancer
36:59which means he'd lost his short-term memory and a lot of his long-term memory is impaired if you ever
37:04met him he would just thank you for your service to god like he would just say thank you for everything
37:10you're doing for other people and he would just be grateful and i was just that's exactly how v was too
37:16he was the most positive lived life like appreciative wanted to say yes to everything wanted to just be
37:26there for everyone you could literally ask him to design a pencil for you and he would be like it'll
37:32be done tomorrow what do you what else do you need like he just had so much to give and he gave it
37:39and that wasn't that was pre his diagnosis that was like that was just who virgil was and so to then
37:47find out what he found out at a certain point in his life and still be that person it's still like i'm
37:52going to show up for everyone and like my time here is so special to all these other people and
37:58i'm going to like be here to make them feel amazing it's just like unreal like it makes you just be like
38:05what yeah like how you're how could you be that incredible and giving like that is so crazy there
38:12wasn't a selfish bone in that man's body like he was just the best yeah but i'm sorry to hear about
38:18your oh no no i i think it's it's actually nice speaking about people that we both love in in a
38:23in a similar way even though they're in such different places in life doing very different
38:27things yeah but to talk about someone's and i think that's a big part of it for me at least with grief
38:32that i feel like when i talk about the beautiful qualities of the people that i lost it gives me so
38:38much confidence that they want me to live it and they want me to try and embody it and that how fortunate we
38:46are to have experienced that type of humanity yeah like you know and those are my thoughts of him
38:51like i think all we ever really want as human beings is to be you know when we do leave this
38:56earth we want to be remembered so beautifully and positively positively i know at least i do of course
39:03but like you just want you of course want to make people feel something and he made so many people feel
39:09something and for that it is so special like what they say that we you know we have our purpose here and i
39:15know that he fulfilled a purpose here that he was supposed to fulfill and i think that
39:20that's i think about it beautifully like i obviously it's a very very sad situation and it and it breaks
39:27my heart but i have nothing but beautiful thoughts of him and i think that's really cool and really
39:33special so yeah you thank you for sharing that too and i i had to ask you because yeah i just i feel i
39:40i love hearing amazing things about amazing people that you know because i think so many of the most
39:44incredible people i grew up reading about people that i never met and i spent a lot of my life studying
39:50books about people that i never met some malcolm x and martin luther king and einstein and people that i
39:55really see as people that have directed so much of my life from how they lived and i feel like he was
40:02potentially one of those people that i never met him but whenever i hear about him i'm just like for sure oh
40:06this is someone that we could learn from for sure you spoke about purpose there i was wondering how
40:11has your purpose changed you had this very confident view of i want to be a model you know you've
40:17superseded exceeded and continue to flourish in that world and i and i always wish that you do
40:23how has your purpose evolved as that time's gone on i think i've learned a lot i've learned a lot about
40:29myself about what i want from my life and which is kind of what we've been talking about but um
40:35i'm actually really excited to get older and to learn so much more about not only myself but like
40:43the journey and the path that i i guess want to take and want to be on so i'd say you know my purpose
40:50has evolved from obviously within business doing what i want to do and making sure i'm happy and
40:58finding the thing that i love and all those things but i've kind of like i said really tuned into me
41:04and i think my purpose at least at this very moment and what i've kind of evolved into is
41:10is my higher goddess like i am determined to tune into her at all times but also
41:16as i get older i have so much that i want to connect with other people and with you know aka social media
41:26and people that may not know me personally um and just you know the following like i said i i was
41:32given this life for some reason for whatever reason i was placed here and i do feel a purpose to
41:39share and connect and put a smile on people's faces or make someone feel a positive feeling
41:45and so i think that within me wanting to achieve me tuning into my higher goddess i think that also
41:52entails me being a great version of myself for other people to then experience and my tips and my tools
42:01and whatever i can share whatever help i can give i i really um you know as corny as it sounds i want
42:07to spread love like i want people to feel love i that's really i guess the purpose yeah that's that's
42:14beautiful i mean what more could you ask for yeah right yeah and and it is funny that so much of the stuff
42:19that is corny or you know whatever that's the stuff that's true right that's the stuff it is like
42:25there's also just we all just like live in such a it's an interesting time obviously and it can feel
42:30really negative and i tend to stay off of platforms like social media platforms because it's hard to
42:38look at sometimes and it feels really negative so i feel like we all just need a little bit of a
42:42smile sometimes i agree i agree i i post these uh videos every day which are just these fun silly
42:50things that happen in the world that my my team will find i'll find and i post them every day
42:54literally for that reason and that reason only because i'm like i may or may say may or may not
42:59say something that makes someone smile right but this definitely will like this this without a doubt
43:04will bring some joy to someone's life and if if this is the only joy that someone experienced i want
43:09them to see good in the world and believe that there's good in that's one of my favorite things
43:12to see on um tiktok when i sit in my bed at night and fall victim to tiktok i love to see there's
43:18people that i'll post like um here's like five amazing facts that have happened in the world in
43:24the last couple weeks or whatever and it'll be like the you know pandas are not extinct anymore
43:29and like the great barrier reef is coming back and stuff like that and so i'm like that's so cool
43:34that's what i want to hear exactly and and you know if it was like it's going down it's like it's
43:39going to get a lot of likes and hits but if it's going up it doesn't get the same attention yeah why
43:43do we like gravitate towards the negative so much like no very interesting we have to retrain i i
43:49genuinely believe it's just a pattern it's a pattern and a habit that's been adopted for so long
43:55absolutely and we have to retrain ourselves the clickbait of it all and the whole thing and we're like
44:00like that's going downhill i need to see what's happening and we're just like we do need to retrain
44:06our brains it's exactly what it is yeah and it starts with what you said earlier it starts with how
44:10we see ourselves it is all from that if someone looks in the mirror as you were saying earlier or
44:16if someone just reflects on themselves not in them physically but just internally yeah most of us
44:22will spot all the negative things about ourself and then we take that out into the world and
44:27spot all the negative things about everyone else and then we take that out into social media right
44:32so that just propels from if you're all a reflection it's all yeah if we ask someone to sit down and
44:37write down as you said we feel uncomfortable taking a compliment or we feel uncomfortable saying saying
44:42nice about ourselves exactly and so it all starts with our relationship with ourselves if we were able
44:47to find three good things about ourselves today i promise you you're going to find three good things
44:52about the person sitting in front of you and and that will right exactly i do a lot of like inner
44:59inner child work with my um therapist and there's actually a trend on tick tock that was going around
45:04but um coincidentally enough we ended up naturally speaking about it in my session and it was like
45:10this trend on tick tock i guess that was like um like a girl being like anytime you're being mean to
45:16yourself just think this is who you're talking about and then it flashes to like a photo of her as a kid
45:21and so i me and my therapist were talking about something similar and she was like why don't you
45:26find like a photo of yourself and put it on your bathroom mirror so that every morning every night
45:32every day when you walk into your bathroom mirror you're looking at her and you're remembering that
45:35if there's anything negative that you're ever saying about yourself if you're ever being mean to yourself
45:39you're talking about her and so i did that and i went into my um i went into like my memorabilia
45:45closet in my house and i was looking through old like photo books and i've seen these photo books my
45:49whole life i've literally seen every photo that's been in here and i like flipped to a page and
45:54there was a photo i'd never seen of myself ever it was a polaroid so it was the original photo
46:00and it was just me as a little girl with a bow in my hair and a dress on and i have like a little
46:04alien tattoo or something right here and i'm like have this big cheesy smile on my face and i was like
46:09that's the photo i'm putting on my thing i can show you the photo later i have a picture of it on my
46:13phone but um so i pasted it on my bathroom mirror and i talked to her and i'm always like if i'm ever
46:20looking in the mirror and being negative towards myself or anything i'm i always look right over to
46:24her and i'm like she's dope and i love her and so it's just another way of just self-love i love that
46:30that's such a great tool that's such a great tool my team found a kid picture of me and made an
46:34embarrassing version of that trend so i'll show you that too oh awesome okay so you know it yeah i know
46:39exactly exactly as well kendall you were saying earlier that you know you you wanted to come here
46:45and you you wanted to share and you manifested and you there were things you wanted to share what is
46:48it that's on your heart that you've wanted to share that maybe we didn't go there today already or is
46:53there something on your mind and heart as an experience or uh any anything that really drew you
46:58here and made this happen right like i want to honor that i think we've obviously we've honestly
47:04touched a lot of what i felt like i would have loved to get off my heart i don't know i was really
47:10excited honestly to come here and share a little bit of me that i feel is very sometimes scary for me
47:19to share and um like i said i came in here and i was a little nervous because this is important to me
47:24and like this part of you know everyone's journey and and what we're talking about today is it's so
47:31important i really that was i guess my intention here today was to come in and share a little bit
47:36of me and maybe for whoever's watching they find some comfort in this or some joy from this or they
47:43understand me a little bit more you know what i mean so i think that we've hit a lot of really cool
47:49points and yeah i mean i feel i feel really good good i wanted to honor that i i asked that because
47:55you know i think i think when when you feel you're in that flow with someone and yeah i i feel like you
48:00know we've learned so many new things about you today and there's so many moments where i'm like
48:04i just feel like you're so comfortable and and you've been so open with us but i just wanted to
48:09honor that thank you and make sure that you feel that you've really felt heard and seen i appreciate
48:13that thank you so i hope so we all want to just be understood at the end of the day so i think the
48:19closer you get to people humans the closer you get to people of different backgrounds and different
48:26walks of life the more you start to recognize how similar we all are yeah exactly and how many
48:33challenges we all share despite how much money someone has in the bank despite how much fame
48:38someone has despite how much follows someone has right and what we find is that everyone feels their
48:43own guilt for where they are and everyone feels their own pressure for where they are and everyone
48:47feels their own challenge for where they and you just start to realize that we all have the same emotions
48:52exactly in different mixes yeah we're all just having a human experience exactly we're all just
48:58going day by day i think we all need to be a little bit kinder to each other and just take it easy on
49:04some people because we are we're all we all have our own struggles and um i don't know i'm i'm an empath
49:12so i like feel for things and i feel for people and um yeah yeah and it starts with you the person right
49:20yeah exactly i thought you meant me i was like i don't know i don't have that power
49:25i was like thank you no no no i meant i meant that to our listener like it starts with yourself
49:29it starts with yourself yeah absolutely if you can be kinder to yourself chances are you're gonna be
49:34i i found that the days i stopped judging myself i stopped judging others because it it changed how i
49:40yeah saw humanities yeah uh kendall we end every on purpose episode with a final five
49:46which is a fast five round i ask you a question and you answer it with a one word or one sentence
49:52maximum so it's super quick and short okay okay and we have to whisk you away because you need to
49:56you need to go to your next appointment uh but okay so the first question is what's something you're
50:02curious about right now oh um i am super curious about i was saying how i love um michael singer and i think
50:13what i really love i'm reading uh the surrender experiment right now and i'm only in the first
50:17couple chapters so he's basically this is not a quick answer it's great i love it though please
50:21he's basically at the first part of the book where he's talking about how he was curious about
50:27meditation and how he got into meditation and how he really just was like on a trip with his
50:31friends and his girlfriend in the woods and like sat in a corner or sat at a tree and was like i'm gonna
50:36just really dive into this and see what happens that's what i'm curious about right now it's just
50:40actually like i meditate i do a lot of breathing work breathing exercises and i just really want
50:45to tap in yeah like michael singer did i love that that's a great answer that's a great answer uh second
50:51question if there's anything that you're working on personally right now what are you working on on
50:55yourself is there any yes um i'm working on i'm working on boundaries and i'm working on not
51:02i'm a stressor like i can stress about things and my mind and i overthink and i just so i'm really
51:10working on like calming down and just letting things flow better and not being so controlling
51:17over things especially that i can't control love it uh question number three uh what's your favorite
51:22thing about founding eight one eight oh being an entrepreneur and being a founder probably that
51:28like i i you know was a model and i worked for people a lot i kind of love being my own boss and
51:36really being able to have my own creative a place where i can be creative and just really express my
51:44creativity and have so much fun doing all of that creative stuff and i've learned so much and learning
51:49about the culture and learning about the tequila and everything like i've just had the best time
51:54so i love that uh question number four what's something you used to value but you don't value
51:59anymore validation great i don't care anymore great answer at least i'm telling myself yes yeah well we
52:08have to make it right yeah no but it's true like i used to care so much more about validation i really
52:15don't care anymore at least thank you uh fifth and final question if you could create one law
52:21that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be oh i would do like on like a sunday
52:28you have to take half the day and like not look at your phone or something great i love that that's
52:33a legit law that's great right yeah kind of nice or the full day for being really crazy i love that idea
52:40i love that uh kendall jenner everyone this was amazing kendall this honestly uh and i'm excited
52:46to catch up afterwards too but there's there was just so much flow and synergy in this whole
52:51thing happening and i couldn't thank you more for doing this with me here on on purpose and i hope
52:57that this is the first of many times that we'll do this but i hope it's the beginning of a beautiful
53:01friendship for sure and relationship and uh for sure i want to everyone who's been listening or
53:05watching back at home please let me and kendall know tag us letting us know what resonated with
53:10you what connected with you like what was it that you've got curious about or what was something she
53:15said that just shifted your perspective or where you learned something new i'd love to hear it i know
53:20there were tons of moments for me where i was listening going this is amazing this is incredible
53:25this is awesome so any wisdom nuggets that stuck out to you please let us know because i love seeing
53:30what made a difference in your life as well and a big thank you to kendall for opening our heart and
53:36opening up our mind thank you i'm honored thank you so much thank you so much thank you that was
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