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00:00To prosecute the offenders, these are their stories.
00:13Stamble. It's fresh.
00:15She's lost a lot of blood already though.
00:17We got her a couple of minutes ago.
00:19It's okay. I'll take over.
00:24Right. Got it?
00:28You okay?
00:30Who called it in?
00:31PCSO called Lenny.
00:33He's given his statements in uniform now.
00:35We'll tell him I want to see him once he's done.
00:37All right. Socko's on her way.
00:39What do we know about her?
00:41Sally Carlo, 24 years old.
00:44She's carrying some sweets from the stalls here.
00:48Purse has got 40 quid in.
00:51For that she gets stabbed in broad day.
00:53What's happening?
00:55We're going to put her in the ambulance now.
00:57And how's she doing then?
00:58Well, she was already gone.
01:00But I'm going to pronounce it at the hospital.
01:02That's good too.
01:32We didn't see her get a knife, we just saw like this guy running away.
02:00All right, what can you tell me like?
02:02Oh, it was at a distance, he was running.
02:06Yeah, I mean anything specific would be helpful.
02:11He had a black leather jacket.
02:13Okay.
02:14Were you blind? It was blue.
02:16I ain't blind. I'm going out of you, aren't I?
02:20Was it black or blue?
02:22I'd say it was blue. I had like a red football shirt underneath.
02:26Okay. You see what team?
02:29Arsenal.
02:30Arsenal.
02:31He rode away in a red Piaggio scooter. Beautiful.
02:38Right, and this beautiful scooter, did you notice the registration?
02:42No, but I can tell you it was a Typhoon 50cc Rosso.
02:47What, you noticed all that but you didn't see the reg?
02:50Anything else?
02:51A white helmet, we had the green and the red stripe, like our flag.
02:58It was totally sexy.
02:59The single penetration was a three-inch blade, and the bruising suggests it went right up to the hilt, but there are no clear identification markings.
03:15So, bag snatch, gone wrong? Could all be a mistake?
03:21No, putting your pants on back to the front is a mistake, Joe.
03:25Is that the only wound, Oswald?
03:27Yes, it went straight through the femoral artery. There's nothing anybody could have done.
03:32But so little tearing, angle of entry suggests the attacker may have been, oh, 5'4", 5'5".
03:41So, a killer could have been a woman?
03:45Or even a kid.
03:50Here's what I don't get, all right?
03:53How can that many witnesses see so many different things?
03:59Well, because it all happens so fast, don't it?
04:01Don't forget, it takes a while to sink in, then your suspect goes missing, and we're left talking to the Italian tourist board anyway.
04:07You need 18, 18, 19, and 20, then you're around the club.
04:11CCTV is on its way in.
04:14I'll track the red scooter across London, at least as far as I can.
04:18Thank you, Kayla. Don't forget, full red is the priority. Come on.
04:23Not bad.
04:26That will, hang on, Walt.
04:28It's the new gov. Turn that up, please.
04:30The courage shown by the families affected by knife crime should be an inspiration to us all.
04:39When did she stop?
04:41Monday.
04:42What?
04:43We only just cleared out the last of Wizards' personal effects yesterday.
04:47Is knife crime your priority, Detective Inspector Flynn?
04:50Yes, absolutely.
04:53So, do you have any comment on today's Southwark stabbing?
04:55It's all over Twitter, stabbing less than an hour ago, nor rests.
05:03I, I, I don't know the details of...
05:07There you go, bitten by her own soundbite.
05:11She's being a plonk and she knows it.
05:13Plonk? You mean plonker?
05:15No, DS Hawkins, he means plonk.
05:18Person of little or no knowledge.
05:21It's what his generation called us Dorises before they realised that we had brains as well as tits.
05:29Well, I was just saying...
05:31Yeah, I know exactly what you were saying.
05:34And fighting knife crime, that's not just a soundbite, not for me.
05:39Uh, Joe?
05:40Could you nip downstairs and get the rest of the eyewitness reports?
05:43Oh, and when you're finished your game of darts, there's a murder for a young woman to solve.
05:53I like her.
05:58I'm not having her accuse me of being a dinosaur.
06:01Yeah, I don't know if it's me you need to be telling, man.
06:04Well, I'm not going to get another chance to make your first impression, am I?
06:08Hey, Kayla.
06:10What you got?
06:12Yeah?
06:13All right, thanks.
06:15Owner of the scooter, Chadwick Estate.
06:18Lovely.
06:22Yeah?
06:24I'm in a red Piaggio.
06:26Or at least I did till about 8 o'clock this morning.
06:28Well, what happened then?
06:30I saw it had been nipped.
06:32Every night I chained it to the railings over there.
06:35Did you report it?
06:37Why would I?
06:38I used to report graffiti and vandalism to you people all the time and I got nothing back.
06:42Why are you so interested in my scooter now?
06:44Because it was used during a fatal stabbing this morning.
06:46How tall are you, Mr. King?
06:52What's that got to do with anything?
06:55What, because I'm sure some more suspicious?
06:58Well, tell you what, in this particular investigation, yeah.
07:02Whoever you're looking for it isn't me.
07:05Somebody stole my scooter and then dumped you when they're done with it.
07:09I'm sure you know where it is.
07:14Yeah.
07:17And where is it, Mr. King?
07:19It's on the other side of the estate.
07:24Nah.
07:25Not going to get anything off of this now, I won't.
07:28Not even the VIN details.
07:29No, in fact, Mr. King has to know for sure that it's your scooter.
07:32Because it was my crush, I mean, that was lying next to it.
07:42So he works the morning shift at a local CAF.
07:46They've confirmed he was there.
07:47And how's your evidence?
07:49Well, it's mainly intact.
07:51I've asked Lily to come and do us a favour and she said,
07:54yes, she's going to take some prints for that.
07:56OK.
07:58Any news, you let me know.
08:00Just think of me as a third man in the team.
08:06Was that a problem?
08:09No, not at all.
08:10Good.
08:12I like to keep my hands dirty.
08:17Track down, Sally's next of kin.
08:19Dad, Albert, is downstairs and she has a son, Jack.
08:26I need answers.
08:29We both do.
08:31Yeah, of course, Mr. Carlo.
08:33We'll do our best to provide them.
08:36How long had your daughter been in London?
08:39Nearly two years.
08:41She came down here to teach art to kids.
08:44This is probably just a random event,
08:47but I have to ask you if you know of anyone
08:49who'd want to hurt Sally or bear a grudge.
08:53No.
08:53No.
08:54Jack said, well, she didn't have much time for anyone
08:58other than him and the kids at school.
09:02Still, if we could get a list of all of her friends in the area,
09:07it might be helpful.
09:09Someone must have seen something.
09:12Well, we've got lots of violence statements.
09:15We're working on it.
09:16I need to know you'll get him.
09:22Whoever did this.
09:23We will.
09:27Edward, tell him we've lost his mother.
09:29Hello, Jack.
09:44Hello.
09:46My name's Ronnie.
09:49Pleased to meet you.
09:50And, um, I'm a policeman.
09:57Well, I don't wear a uniform.
10:00Anyway, I've been around a long time.
10:04You know, a long, long time.
10:07A bit like a dinosaur.
10:09Do I look old?
10:10Mm.
10:11Yeah.
10:13Well.
10:15And, um, there are loads of things I don't understand in this world, you know.
10:21And one of those things is that, um,
10:23Sometimes, bad things happen to good people.
10:31I can't explain it.
10:36But today, something very sad has happened.
10:45And, um...
10:46So, the owner's prints are all over it, as you'd expect.
10:59I was worried that the fire damage would leave us with nothing else.
11:02But...
11:04On the very edge of the rim, there is one partial thumbprint.
11:10Ah.
11:11Any matches?
11:13It was difficult to be certain with a partial, but I'll email over what I have.
11:16Thanks for coming in, lol.
11:18No problem, Ron.
11:19For you, anything?
11:26That's the struggle with a partial printer here, Ron.
11:33Here we go.
11:34Bobby Washington, 15 years of age.
11:37Minor offences, including bitter shoplifting and theft.
11:41Like, this was for carrying a knife.
11:43Yeah, I got it.
11:43He's, uh, registered to an address on Chadwick Estate.
11:47Yeah, well, that'll explain why he dumped the scooters so close to where he found it.
11:50It's a big area, though, Ron.
11:52I mean, there's a lot of ways in and out.
11:54You could lose him easily.
11:55You should probably call for backup, or...
11:56What, on a Sunday?
11:57Yeah.
11:58Well, West Ham and Arsenal both at home, you're having a laugh, ain't you?
12:00No, no, no.
12:01I promised that little boy last night that I would find whoever killed his mum, and I'm
12:05not hanging around now I know where this boy lives.
12:07All right.
12:08Let's do it, then.
12:09Um, I'll tell the gov.
12:10Well, no, wait till we've got something, Joe.
12:13She said any news, let her know.
12:15I know, but I don't want her breathing down our necks every step of the way.
12:20No.
12:21You're right.
12:22Let's check this out.
12:23All right.
12:33Bang!
12:34You want to stop bangin'?
12:35What?
12:35What?
12:37Bobby Washington live in.
12:40I do.
12:41Yeah, well, we need to ask him a few questions.
12:44What you got to need to ask little Bobby about?
12:46Who's it, babe?
12:48Jake's, innit?
12:50I want to speak to your boy.
12:51Oh, we ain't seen him all morning to leave.
12:53I said, hello, when you're hearing me?
12:56Yeah, I'm hearing you, but we're still going to need to ask him a few questions.
13:00You ain't going nowhere without a warrant.
13:03Joe!
13:05Joe!
13:07Out of my way.
13:13Go, go, go.
13:14Go on, Joe.
13:33Come on.
13:34I didn't see which way he went.
13:41Don't you dare say, I told you so.
13:43How the hell did a 15-year-old kid get past you in the first place?
13:56Well, he just did.
13:58I mean, we're not happy about it, but it is what it is.
14:00I'm sorry.
14:00And I told you to call me the minute you had something.
14:03Well, you know what?
14:04With all due respect, Gov, we don't really need you looking over our shoulder.
14:08Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got a family we need to interview.
14:12Police!
14:13Police!
14:13Did he talk to D.I. Layton like that?
14:19To be fair, he just wants to get caught.
14:22Yeah, so do I.
14:26Bobby does his own thing.
14:29We have no control over him anymore.
14:31Right, and that's Bobby in the photo, yeah?
14:34Yep.
14:35And who's the girl?
14:36Well, you know what?
14:45We can wait all day for an answer.
14:47No problem.
14:47Joe bung the kettle on.
14:48We're clearly staying.
14:51Zaynor.
14:52It's Big Mouth's sister.
14:56What?
14:58I've seen her answer their dumb questions.
15:00I've seen her.
15:01They come piss off.
15:02That's my girl.
15:05What do you care?
15:06You don't see her no more.
15:08And where is she?
15:15Where is she?
15:17She listened to him with her boyfriend.
15:23Yeah, I wish I had seen him.
15:26Lock some sense into his next girl.
15:28Why'd you say that?
15:30Bobby was a good kid before Warren come along.
15:32He still could be.
15:34Hmm.
15:34Well, if we can speak to him, Zaynor, we might be able to help him with that.
15:40And Warren, he's your mum's boyfriend, yeah?
15:43Yeah.
15:45Yeah, we've met.
15:47He's a real charmer.
15:49He gets Bobby to steal from him so he and mum can stay at home and get wasted.
15:53You know, Zaynor, this is, uh, it's a little more serious than just petty theft.
15:58We want to speak to Bobby about a stabbing.
16:04A woman was killed during a mugging.
16:07Yeah, and what did Bobby do?
16:09Well, he's the only person we're looking for.
16:12So you see why we need to find him.
16:14Where have you been?
16:20Jamal, I needed a car for work.
16:24I went to live with Boy Street.
16:25Why'd you go there?
16:28Yeah, Jamal.
16:29Why did you go there?
16:34I was doing your brother a favour.
16:40He's got family in Moiden.
16:43And the next train leaves in about seven minutes.
16:45So look alive.
16:46He's split them up, Charlie.
16:47Two up, two down.
16:48You two straight across.
16:52Right.
16:53Got it.
16:54That's a needle in the haystack there, isn't it?
16:56No chance.
17:02Right there.
17:03Where?
17:04Middle seat on the bench.
17:06Oh, yeah, yeah.
17:07Right.
17:09Got him.
17:10Okay, guys.
17:11He is opposite platform nine and ten.
17:15So it's platform nine and ten.
17:18Okay, Joe's on to it.
17:22Suspect on the bridge.
17:24On foot, heading towards the main exit.
17:25Police out of the way.
17:29Escalator in the door.
17:42Not this time, Bobby, son.
17:43Come with me.
17:47Nobody frisked me.
17:48You know what I'm saying?
17:50Do me a favour, Bobby.
17:51Play the game.
17:52Yeah?
17:52You just want no problem.
17:53Quit feeling it.
17:54Especially you, Grandad.
17:55Oh, really?
17:56We just want to see if you're carrying anything.
17:58That's all we got.
17:59Yeah?
17:59Well, no feds are going to violate my personal space without my face.
18:02You see, now I'm here.
18:04Tough guy gangster, but I'm seeing silly little boy.
18:06Shut the fuck up, man.
18:08Is that all?
18:08That's your best shot, is it?
18:10No.
18:10Why are you giving me so much grief?
18:12Who died?
18:13Hey, don't say or do anything stupid, Bobby.
18:18We are going to search you, and then we are going to arrest you.
18:22It's not going to end any other way.
18:24Screw you.
18:25Turn around.
18:26We're looking for a murder weapon, son.
18:29Forgive us for not taking any of the risks.
18:31Just let us search us, son.
18:33Is this what we want to see?
18:36I told you I ain't carrying.
18:38I don't know no Sally.
18:45Well, of course you don't know Sally.
18:48You chose her random to steal her purse.
18:50Once you fall back, you panicked and you stabbed her.
18:53I don't panic.
18:56I didn't stab no one.
18:58You know what, son?
19:02Sally is dead.
19:05She leaves behind a six-year-old son
19:10who's got to deal with that loss for the rest of his life.
19:14Now, please, don't give us any more pain.
19:18Just admit what you've done.
19:20My client doesn't have to admit to anything.
19:24Bobby.
19:27Come on, son.
19:28What do you say?
19:35You know how old people smell the biscuits?
19:41Well, that's you.
19:45You smell old.
19:47Bobby.
19:49We have a print
19:50on the crash helmet.
19:54It's not going to be long
19:55before we have you on CCTV as well.
19:58We don't have the footage yet.
20:00And about that print.
20:04Contaminated?
20:05How?
20:06Talk to your forensic team.
20:08Something about smoke damage
20:10and clarity of image.
20:15This is not a shoplifter
20:17who needs a slap in the wrist, Namita.
20:20He's under arrest for murder.
20:21An illegal arrest, by the way.
20:23You are kidding.
20:25He ran away from us twice
20:27when we cornered him,
20:28and now you're going to try and get him off
20:29on a technicality.
20:31The Police and Criminal Evidence Act
20:32is not a technicality, detective.
20:35Okay, what does she mean?
20:36What happened?
20:37Nothing happened.
20:38This is just a tactic.
20:39Pure and simple.
20:40The police is there to stop you
20:41taking advantage of vulnerable people.
20:43Vulnerable?
20:44This is a boy
20:45who stabbed someone
20:46in a broad daylight.
20:48Well, there were anything you asked.
20:49It was a public place
20:50and he dropped his trousers
20:51because you bullied him.
20:52We were making an arrest.
20:53You know what, Gubb?
20:54This would be funny
20:55if it wasn't so ridiculous.
20:56Have you seen him?
20:57He wears his trousers
20:58halfway down his backside
21:00for a kick-off.
21:00Okay, okay.
21:01I've heard enough.
21:03The search was illegal.
21:04You've no evidence
21:05with which to hold my client.
21:11You can't be considering
21:13letting him go, surely.
21:14If the print isn't holding up,
21:15we haven't got enough.
21:18Right, keep you here.
21:25The reason doesn't matter.
21:26We need more time.
21:27The reason doesn't matter?
21:29What century are you working in?
21:32This is happening,
21:33you're only deal with it.
21:34Look, what we asked for a lift
22:02and that's what I gave him.
22:03And you didn't ask why?
22:04You've seen his stepdad.
22:06What we want to say
22:07somewhere else for a while,
22:08I can understand that.
22:10All right, listen,
22:11whilst you was in the car,
22:12he didn't say anything at all
22:13or ask you to do anything for him,
22:15take him anywhere?
22:16No.
22:17Nothing in here, Ron.
22:20Look, if that's everything,
22:21man, I have work.
22:22Oh, you've got work?
22:24Well, that's interesting
22:25because I've seen forms there
22:26that you're claiming
22:27council tax benefits.
22:29I mean, if the authorities
22:30find out you've got a job
22:32and they're spending money
22:33on you for no good reason,
22:34I mean, it's our duty
22:35to report that stuff, eh?
22:36Come on, we don't earn enough
22:37to cover food and rent as it is.
22:39She could be evicted.
22:40You can't do that.
22:41Why not go and cosy up
22:42at Zaina's mum's house?
22:44She can't go back there.
22:47The reason Zaina got her own place
22:48is because of Warren.
22:49She can't go back there, okay?
22:50You know what, Jamal,
22:51you're gonna have to help us out.
22:53Jamal, how much do you love Zaina?
22:56Because she's gonna want you
22:58to do the right thing
22:59for her brother, isn't she?
23:05Look, all I know is that
23:06we stopped at a cash point on the way.
23:09Or we jumped out
23:10and ran behind the bins
23:11to take a leak.
23:12That's all I know, I swear.
23:21Oh, all right, guys.
23:27We got it.
23:28We're good.
23:29We're good.
23:32Oh, Jamal.
23:36That is one hell of a leak.
23:42Okay, I want anyone searched.
23:45I don't want anyone getting hurt.
23:46This is harassment, man.
23:48Do you know what, Bobby, son?
23:50We haven't even started yet.
23:52Anyone caught with a blade
23:54gets arrested
23:55and sent back to the station
23:57to process it.
24:00I'm going to lie.
24:01I'm nothing wrong.
24:02This is hard for the way.
24:04No one's you here.
24:05This is down the way, son.
24:06What did you just say?
24:09We good, bud.
24:12Do you know what?
24:12I couldn't be better.
24:13My man is just confessed.
24:16You what?
24:17Do you want to tell Detective Ogans
24:18what you just said to me?
24:20No, didn't think so.
24:22Wrap it up, boys.
24:23We're done here.
24:24The confessions aren't cooperated.
24:39My client says it never happened.
24:42Really?
24:43Is that right, Bobby?
24:44Calling me a liar?
24:45Don't answer that.
24:47You turned up more pounded
24:49in stat vests.
24:51Four of you in uniform
24:52to intimidate a bunch of teenagers
24:54playing football.
24:55One of whom
24:56is a murder suspect
24:57and two others
24:58were caught carrying knives.
25:00And exactly what evidence
25:02is it that's led you
25:03to pursue my client
25:04as a murder suspect?
25:05Well, the fact that he told me
25:07you did it in the first place,
25:08that's a pretty good start,
25:10wouldn't you say?
25:11He's lame.
25:13So what did you say
25:14to D.S. Brooks then, Bobby?
25:15Because I saw you say something.
25:18I told him
25:28he was too hard
25:30to catch me if I ran.
25:37I never met
25:38to no murder.
25:46Did you hear this confession?
25:48No.
25:49Bobby said
25:50the white bitch
25:51deserved it.
25:53And what did you say to him?
25:55Well, to be fair,
25:56Ronnie didn't have time
25:58to say anything.
25:58He just came out with it.
26:00See, to a jury,
26:01that's going to seem
26:02a bit convenient.
26:04Suddenly he admits
26:05to a stabbing
26:06out of the blue.
26:07Well, no offence, Kate,
26:08but we're not dealing
26:09with a criminal mastermind here.
26:11Bobby is just
26:12a gobby teenager.
26:13That's it.
26:13Well, it doesn't matter.
26:15If a jury doesn't believe you,
26:17we have no procedure.
26:18But why wouldn't
26:19they believe me?
26:22Ronnie, we trust you,
26:24obviously.
26:25But in a
26:26your-word-versus-theirs argument,
26:29not everybody
26:29believes the police officer.
26:32Not anymore.
26:35It would really help
26:36if you had some
26:37forensic evidence.
26:38It's clean.
26:46No print.
26:47What, none at all?
26:49And none of the victim's DNA
26:50on the blade
26:51or on the handle.
26:52So if this is
26:53the murder weapon,
26:54I can't prove it
26:55forensically.
26:56So we've got nothing?
26:57Again.
26:59Wait,
27:00what are these?
27:02Here?
27:03I assume they were
27:04wearing hair.
27:05Hmm.
27:06I'm sure I've seen
27:07markings like these
27:08on a knife used
27:09in a gang stab
27:09a couple years ago.
27:11Well, that may be worth
27:12digging a bit deeper.
27:14Is Bobby Washington
27:15in a gang?
27:16Well, not according
27:16to the Krimit.
27:17Okay, well,
27:18I'll get the scratches
27:19checked out,
27:20but as things stand
27:21at the moment,
27:21I can't give evidence
27:23that this is the knife
27:24that killed Sally.
27:25Oh.
27:26I swear this used
27:27to be a little bit easier.
27:29We'll have to release him.
27:33I also need to give
27:34an update to Barrow
27:34Commander Stone.
27:36Oh, good luck with that.
27:37What makes you think
27:38I'm going on my own?
27:45How do we not have
27:46this man in custody yet?
27:48No.
27:48Let me change
27:50that question.
27:51Because you already
27:52have had him in custody.
27:55Twice.
27:57Each time the evidence
27:59fell apart
27:59at the last minute.
28:01Fell apart?
28:04Is that what you'd like
28:05to say to the press?
28:10Because they want to know
28:11why our streets
28:12are no longer safe.
28:13They want to know
28:14how a 15-year-old scrote
28:16is running rings
28:17around the finest office
28:18is that London
28:19can put out on the street.
28:21Because, sir,
28:22this 15-year-old scrote
28:24has one of the best
28:25duty solicitors
28:26on his side.
28:27We know it's him,
28:28so we just
28:29need more evidence.
28:31Oh, really?
28:33And how do you know?
28:35He confessed, sir.
28:37You have a confession?
28:37Only Detective Brooks
28:39heard it.
28:40And his word
28:41isn't good enough?
28:43With respect, sir,
28:44that's not the point.
28:46It won't work
28:47for the prosecution
28:48on its own.
28:49What happened
28:49to the knife?
28:51It's clean
28:52of the suspect's DNA.
28:55And the eyewitness reports?
28:57They're still coming in,
28:58but you know
28:59as well as I do.
29:00When the suspect
29:01is wearing a motorcycle
29:02helmet and gloves,
29:03we can't even secure
29:04an ethnic identification.
29:05So how is this kid
29:07your prime suspect?
29:08Because this is not
29:09our first time.
29:12Sir.
29:15The circumstantial
29:16was enough
29:17to pursue Bobby Washington,
29:18and it still is.
29:23Excuse us.
29:35OK.
29:39You're doing all you can.
29:41I can see that.
29:43But this is your first week,
29:45and we're already
29:45a laughingstock.
29:47We're meant to be clearing
29:48the streets of knife crime.
29:49I know.
29:51And we will.
29:54Your team giving you
29:55enough support?
29:56Yes.
29:57Absolutely.
29:58Because if you need
30:01to get rid of some dead wood,
30:03you'll have my approval.
30:05No, we're fine.
30:07Thank you, sir.
30:09I know you, Liz.
30:13I love your loyalty,
30:14but seriously,
30:15Division of Intelligence
30:16have an opening
30:17if you need to give someone
30:18a promotion.
30:20Get them out of harm's way.
30:23Like you did with me?
30:24Thank you for that.
30:34Let's be very clear.
30:36I defended you
30:37for the team
30:38because I don't want
30:39anyone thinking
30:40that I am running
30:41a unit that can't
30:42put a case together.
30:44Well, we don't want
30:45anyone thinking that,
30:46do we?
30:48I don't know
30:48what your problem
30:49is here, Brooks.
30:53With respect,
30:54Gov,
30:55we can put a case together.
30:56We just need more time.
30:58Good.
30:59Because I am not
31:00doing that again.
31:07You were on to something
31:08with the scratches
31:09on the knife handle, Joe.
31:13It seems all members
31:14of certain gangs
31:16would use the same markings
31:17like a badge of honour.
31:20Oh.
31:21Yeah, they stopped
31:21when they realised
31:22we were using it
31:23to identify them.
31:24Mark this.
31:26All right.
31:26And how does that
31:27help us, though, Lily?
31:29So,
31:30the rough edge
31:32of scratched plastic
31:33is almost impossible
31:34to wash clean.
31:35It picks up
31:35trace materials
31:37which become ingrained
31:38like, um,
31:40skin,
31:41grime,
31:42dirt.
31:42can you link that
31:43to Bobby?
31:44The DNA I found
31:45is older
31:46than the crime
31:47you're trying
31:47to solve, Ron.
31:49Much older.
31:52So,
31:53whose DNA
31:53is it, then?
31:55Bobby's mum,
31:57Shonda.
31:57how can we arrest
32:03his mum
32:03if the forensic
32:05evidence
32:05doesn't relate
32:06to the crime?
32:10Well, but
32:11she don't know
32:14that, though,
32:14does she?
32:16So,
32:17bring her in anyway?
32:18Yeah.
32:20And put her
32:21maternal instincts
32:22to the chest.
32:29Oh, my...
32:30Are you not bored yet?
32:33Bobby.
32:34Jake, sir, here.
32:35It's not Bobby
32:36we've come to see.
32:40Shonda Washington,
32:42I'm arresting you
32:44on suspicion
32:44of the murder
32:45of Sally Carla.
32:46Huh?
32:47You do not have
32:47to say anything,
32:48but it may harm
32:49your defence
32:49if you do not mention
32:51when...
32:51Something you later
32:53rely on in court,
32:54anything you do say,
32:56may you give it
32:57as if you do not.
32:57You know what you do
32:58in jail,
32:59but get your hands
33:00off her!
33:03It's a stretch,
33:04to say the very least.
33:06And you don't want
33:07her getting out
33:07that Ronnie and Joe
33:08made an arrest
33:09with insufficient evidence.
33:11But what if
33:12Shonda admits
33:13that she gave
33:14the knife to Bobby
33:15and that he had
33:16it that morning?
33:18Isn't that enough?
33:19Well, by the sounds
33:20of it, she's all
33:21over the place.
33:22The jury's going
33:23to have a hard time
33:23believing anything
33:24she says.
33:25Let alone
33:26a tenuous connection
33:27between a suspect
33:28and a murder weapon.
33:29And how are they
33:29going to convince
33:30her mum to grass
33:31on her own son?
33:33All she has to do
33:34is stay quiet.
33:36Well, we're just
33:37going to have to
33:37trust Ronnie.
33:41Right.
33:42Mm-hmm.
33:42The solicitor's here.
33:44They're ready for us.
33:46Let them wait.
33:47What?
33:50You know what, Joe?
33:51Time's our friend here.
33:53I reckon
33:53another ten minutes
33:56should do it.
33:59She wants a drink.
34:01I know I do.
34:01So, how does
34:12a 15-year-old boy
34:14get hold
34:16of a gang-marked knife?
34:19A lot of gangs
34:20in London.
34:21But this particular knife
34:23has got your DNA
34:26all over it.
34:27So, how did it end up
34:29behind a supermarket
34:30on the way
34:31to Liverpool Street Station?
34:34Bobby Nicker
34:35off you.
34:39Maybe it was
34:39a Christmas present.
34:42She and my mum
34:42actually cared.
34:43Expensive habit,
35:05isn't it?
35:08Yeah.
35:08I mean,
35:14even the cheap stuff
35:15costs an awful lot
35:17when you put away
35:18as much as we do.
35:20But when you start
35:21on the hard stuff,
35:22like a really good gin
35:24or the vodka,
35:26well...
35:33I mean,
35:34how can you afford that
35:35on social?
35:36Got to be some extra money
35:39coming in from
35:40somewhere, Shonda.
35:42Because I know
35:43you would do
35:46anything
35:47for your next drink.
35:52Wouldn't you?
35:59Like,
36:00like having loved ones
36:02still for you.
36:03and Bobby,
36:06he's your little soldier.
36:08He still loves his mum,
36:09bless him.
36:11And he'd do anything
36:12you ask.
36:15But this time,
36:18well,
36:20he's gone too far,
36:23hasn't he?
36:26So,
36:26you tell us
36:30where Bobby
36:32got this knife from.
36:36And you can walk
36:37out that door.
36:40Go,
36:40you hate one.
36:43Okay.
36:44look,
37:04look,
37:04it's the feds
37:05I was telling you,
37:05but
37:06they can't leave me
37:07there going.
37:08You see that old one?
37:10He loves me.
37:11Funny guy.
37:14Hmm.
37:15Bobby Washington,
37:17I'm arresting you
37:18on suspicion
37:18of the murderous
37:19Sally Carlo.
37:20You can't do that to me.
37:21Do you not have to say
37:21anything,
37:22but it may harm
37:23your defence
37:23if you do not
37:24question something
37:26you later rely on
37:27in court.
37:28Anything you do say
37:29may be given
37:30as evidence.
37:30Oh,
37:31get off of me.
37:41So,
37:48the alcoholic
37:49mother will give
37:50evidence against
37:51her own son.
37:53We need to see
37:54how she holds it
37:55together in the
37:56witness box,
37:56but yes.
37:58Will the jury
37:58believe her?
37:59Well,
38:00it's the one
38:00absolute link
38:01between Bobby,
38:02the murder weapon,
38:03and the victim.
38:04Oh, no,
38:05it doesn't play
38:05what are we left
38:06with.
38:07The confession?
38:09Which no one
38:10but D.S. Brooks
38:11heard,
38:11and which Bobby
38:12denies.
38:13Am I the
38:13only one
38:14taking Ronnie
38:14at his word
38:15on this?
38:15Yeah,
38:16the only prosecutor
38:16these days
38:17is taking
38:17any police
38:18officer
38:18at their word.
38:19He will be
38:20under oath.
38:21It's still a
38:21tough ask
38:22to get the case
38:23home,
38:24and if the jury
38:24doubt Ronnie,
38:26all trial
38:27collapses.
38:33How did
38:34Bobby's father
38:35die?
38:36His biological
38:37father?
38:38He was
38:40stabbed.
38:42By whom?
38:44He was a
38:45member of
38:46the Tottenham
38:46crew.
38:49We both
38:50were.
38:55And they
38:55killed him
38:56because he
38:56disabused
38:57the rules.
38:58And what
38:59rules were
39:00they?
39:00it was
39:11expected
39:12for
39:14girlfriends
39:15to be
39:16shared
39:17around.
39:19Shared
39:20for what?
39:26Sex.
39:27The rules
39:36were that
39:38they could
39:38have us
39:39whenever
39:40they wanted
39:41us.
39:45Carl said
39:46no,
39:48and they
39:48killed him
39:49for it.
39:49the official
39:53report says
39:54that after
39:55Carl was
39:55stabbed,
39:56his girlfriend
39:56picked up
39:57his knife
39:58and used
39:59it to
39:59defend
39:59herself.
40:01That would
40:01be you.
40:03And this
40:03was his
40:03gang-marked
40:05knife,
40:06identified by
40:06two parallel
40:07scratches on the
40:08handle.
40:08And what
40:16happened to
40:17that knife?
40:26I was so
40:28scared
40:29that night.
40:32More
40:32scared than
40:33I'd ever
40:34been in my
40:34life.
40:35and I
40:39didn't want
40:39my son
40:40to go
40:40through
40:40that.
40:43Not
40:43ever.
40:46So on
40:47his 13th
40:48birthday,
40:50I gave
40:51Bobby
40:52his dad's
40:53knife
40:53to protect
40:55himself
40:56so that
40:57he could
40:58never
40:58feel as
41:00scared
41:00as I
41:00was.
41:01This is
41:09the alleged
41:10murder
41:10weapon
41:11which
41:11contains
41:12within
41:12the
41:12aforementioned
41:13scratches
41:14on the
41:14plastic
41:15handle
41:15DNA
41:17linking
41:18it to
41:18my
41:19client.
41:20Is that
41:21correct?
41:23Well,
41:25no.
41:29Oh,
41:30that's
41:30right.
41:31forgive
41:31me.
41:32The
41:33DNA
41:33found
41:34on the
41:34handle
41:34of
41:34that
41:35knife
41:35doesn't
41:36belong
41:37to the
41:37defendant
41:38at all,
41:38does it?
41:39A little
41:39less of
41:40the theatrics,
41:41Mr. Greer.
41:43My lord.
41:46Miss
41:46Townsend,
41:48can you
41:49say with
41:49absolute
41:50certainty
41:51that this
41:52is the
41:53murder
41:53weapon
41:53that was
41:54used
41:54on
41:54Sally
41:55Carlo?
41:56Not
41:57with
41:58absolute
41:59certainty.
41:59no.
42:09Well,
42:10it's not
42:10the answer
42:11we wanted
42:11to hear,
42:11but it's
42:12not a
42:12surprise.
42:13To be
42:13honest,
42:14if he
42:15hadn't
42:15gone there,
42:16I'd have
42:16been
42:16disappointed.
42:17Well,
42:17we'd be
42:18nice
42:18to slip
42:19up,
42:19wouldn't
42:19it,
42:19just this
42:20once?
42:20Greer
42:20doesn't
42:21make
42:21those
42:21kind
42:21of
42:21mistakes.
42:22Well,
42:22neither
42:22do I,
42:23Jake.
42:24Bobby
42:24confessed,
42:25I'm telling
42:25you.
42:25I believe
42:27you.
42:29But the
42:30jury
42:30in there
42:30have all
42:30read
42:31about
42:31Hillsborough,
42:32Leveson,
42:33Plebgate.
42:34Those
42:34officers
42:34have
42:35undermined
42:35your
42:35credibility.
42:36Well,
42:36I'd like
42:37to string
42:37them up.
42:37I really
42:38would.
42:38Every
42:38last one
42:39of them.
42:41Well,
42:42you wouldn't.
42:43Any of your
42:43mates brought
42:44the legal
42:44system
42:45crashing
42:45down
42:45around
42:45you?
42:46Yes.
42:50Yes,
42:50I would.
42:56How many
42:57years'
42:57experience
42:58have you
42:58had in
42:58the force?
42:5937.
43:02And do
43:03you think
43:04you've
43:04developed
43:05the skill
43:05of assessing
43:06or recognising
43:08patterns of
43:08criminal behaviour?
43:10Yes,
43:11I suppose.
43:13So,
43:14an officer
43:14with this
43:15skill,
43:16would see
43:16a suspect
43:17on the
43:17street
43:18and make
43:19an assessment
43:20in the
43:21moment?
43:23Yes.
43:25Taking
43:26everything
43:26into account.
43:27Whether
43:27he's in
43:28a hoodie
43:28or a wig
43:29and a gown,
43:30for example.
43:31Well,
43:32it's not
43:32just about
43:33what they
43:33wear,
43:34and I've
43:34known one
43:35or two
43:35crooks
43:35to wear
43:36a wig
43:36and a
43:36gown.
43:38Indeed.
43:40You
43:40must also
43:41take into
43:42account
43:42context.
43:44Local
43:45area.
43:46Colour
43:46of their
43:47skin.
43:47I've
43:48failed to
43:48see what
43:49this has
43:49to do
43:49with the
43:50defence
43:50of Bobby
43:51Washington.
43:52It is
43:53indicative
43:53of character,
43:54my lord.
43:55What's
43:56your question?
43:57Were you
43:58in active
43:58service in
43:59the summer
43:59of 1985,
44:01during the
44:02London race
44:03riot?
44:05Yes.
44:06I was in
44:06uniform.
44:08Did you
44:08read the
44:09Macpherson
44:09report?
44:10No,
44:13not all
44:13of it.
44:13But you
44:14are aware
44:14of the
44:15section
44:15which relates
44:16to the
44:17force in
44:17London during
44:18that time
44:19suffering from
44:19institutional
44:21racism?
44:22And again,
44:24my lord.
44:24I'm just
44:25asking the
44:26jury to
44:27do with
44:28Detective
44:28Brooks what
44:30he does
44:30when assessing
44:31a suspect,
44:33put his
44:33whole character
44:34in context.
44:35still don't
44:36hear a
44:36question.
44:40When you
44:41saw my
44:41client,
44:43did you
44:43not make
44:44the assumption
44:44he was a
44:45criminal because
44:46of how he
44:46looked?
44:47Um,
44:48no.
44:48We arrested
44:49Bobby
44:50Washington because
44:50we thought we
44:51had the
44:52necessary evidence.
44:54Which you
44:54did not.
44:57Which leads
44:58me to the
44:58question,
45:00why did you
45:01repeatedly
45:01arrest my
45:02client?
45:03Was it
45:04not because
45:05he fitted
45:05a certain
45:06profile?
45:07A certain
45:08racial
45:09profile?
45:12Well,
45:12no.
45:13His
45:13ethnic
45:13background
45:14had nothing
45:14to do
45:15with it.
45:15So you
45:16don't suffer
45:16from
45:16institutional
45:17racism?
45:18No.
45:19Not that
45:19you would
45:20admit it,
45:20even if
45:21you did.
45:24Well,
45:24you'll have
45:25to take
45:25my word
45:25for that.
45:30Like
45:31the
45:31confession?
45:34Forgive
45:34me.
45:36Perhaps
45:37you just
45:37fit a
45:38certain
45:38profile.
45:41Jury
45:42will
45:42disregard
45:43that
45:43last
45:43remark.
45:47With
45:48one
45:48uncorroborated
45:49confession and
45:50no forensic
45:50evidence against
45:51my client,
45:53I've
45:53submitted
45:53there's no
45:54case to
45:54answer.
45:55Nothing
45:55has
45:55changed
45:56since the
45:56trial
45:56began.
45:57The
45:57prosecution
45:58is
45:58anchored
45:59in this
45:59confession.
46:00I have
46:01to say,
46:02having read
46:02the arguments,
46:03I'm finding
46:04it hard
46:04to justify
46:05carrying
46:05on.
46:06DS
46:06Box is
46:07a sworn
46:07police
46:08officer
46:08of nearly
46:0940 years
46:10standing.
46:10He has
46:11a partner
46:11who will
46:11not testify
46:12on his
46:12behalf.
46:13Because
46:14he didn't
46:14hear him.
46:15Okay,
46:15okay,
46:16stop the
46:16mudslinging.
46:18All the
46:19evidence
46:19is circumstantial.
46:21There's
46:21not enough
46:22here to
46:23proceed.
46:26Which is
46:27why I'm
46:27grunting
46:28a half-time
46:28dismissal.
46:30That's
46:40it?
46:42He
46:43just
46:43walks
46:44away.
46:45Look,
46:45Albert,
46:46I am
46:46so sorry.
46:47I just
46:47can't
46:47believe
46:48the
46:51shit
46:51who
46:51killed
46:51my
46:52daughter
46:52is
46:52allowed
46:52to
46:53walk
46:53free
46:53on
46:53him.
46:59You
46:59did
46:59your
46:59very
47:00best.
47:07Don't
47:08take it
47:08personally,
47:09what?
47:11How can
47:12I not?
47:13I promised
47:13his grandson,
47:14didn't I?
47:15No,
47:15even he
47:16thinks I'm
47:16a liar.
47:20But to
47:21just dismiss it
47:22like that
47:22is outrageous.
47:23when we
47:24get back
47:24to the
47:24office,
47:24see if
47:25we can
47:25lodge
47:25an
47:25appeal.
47:26Won't
47:26make
47:26any
47:26difference.
47:27Any
47:27new
47:27judge
47:27will
47:27be
47:28swayed
47:28by
47:28Lockwood's
47:29decision.
47:29And be
47:29honest,
47:30we were
47:30pushing our
47:31luck with
47:31the evidence
47:31we have.
47:32Rodney doesn't
47:33deserve to be
47:33branded a
47:34racist,
47:34though,
47:35even if it
47:35was only
47:36implied.
47:37I'll tell
47:37you what
47:37else he
47:38shouldn't
47:38be
47:38branded
47:38as.
47:39The
47:40scapegoat.
47:41Is
47:41Detective
47:41Brooks a
47:42racist?
47:44Absolutely
47:44not.
47:45We had a
47:46suspect and
47:47we pursued
47:47them vigorously.
47:49the case
47:49has
47:49collapsed.
47:50Shall
47:51least
47:51someone
47:51must
47:51be
47:51held
47:52responsible?
47:59This
47:59is a
47:59bad
48:00day
48:00for
48:00justice
48:01and
48:01we
48:02need
48:02to
48:02take
48:02a
48:02good
48:03hard
48:03look
48:03at
48:03how
48:04our
48:04officers
48:04deal
48:04with
48:05these
48:05types
48:05of
48:05cases.
48:06Thank
48:07you.
48:07Sir,
48:08Justice
48:08State,
48:09just
48:09let me
48:10die.
48:16I think
48:16Greg.
48:17Ronnie.
48:17Ah,
48:17Guff,
48:18these are the
48:18latest
48:19statements.
48:19Came in
48:20this afternoon.
48:21There's
48:21bound to
48:21be
48:21something
48:21in here.
48:22I need
48:23you to
48:24see
48:24something.
48:25Yeah,
48:25Guff,
48:25so,
48:26all due
48:26respect,
48:27I'd
48:27need to
48:28be
48:28getting
48:28on
48:28with
48:28this.
48:29Don't
48:29make me
48:30pull
48:30rank.
48:30borough
48:31commander
48:47stone
48:48wants
48:48you
48:48to
48:49take
48:49a look
48:49at
48:49this.
48:50Yeah,
48:50no problem.
48:50It's
48:56based
48:57in
48:57Hackney,
48:57so
48:58less of a
48:58commute
48:59for you.
49:01Better
49:01hours.
49:03You
49:03can be
49:04home
49:04every
49:04night
49:04by
49:05six.
49:13Divisional
49:13intelligence.
49:14This
49:23will
49:23take
49:23me
49:23off
49:23the
49:23street.
49:32So,
49:33on the
49:38sacrifice,
49:41after
49:41nearly
49:4240
49:42years,
49:44I
49:47think I
49:47deserve
49:47better
49:47than
49:48that,
49:48don't
49:48you?
49:53Stone
49:53wants
49:54you
49:54to
49:55think
49:55about
49:55it
49:55overnight,
49:56and I
49:57need
49:57to give
49:58him
49:58an answer
49:58by
49:5810
49:59o'clock
49:59tomorrow
49:59morning.
50:14time to
50:28call it a
50:28night,
50:29man.
50:30night,
50:31man.
50:31I've read
50:37this
50:37statement
50:37three times
50:38already,
50:39and I
50:39still
50:39can't
50:39remember
50:40anything,
50:40in it.
50:42Time to
50:42call it
50:42a night,
50:43man.
50:43Well,
50:43we can't
50:43call it
50:44a night.
50:44Run.
50:45I'm not
50:45seeing
50:45anything
50:46new here.
50:47Well,
50:47you know
50:48what?
50:48We've
50:48missed
50:48something.
50:49We've
50:49got to
50:49keep
50:50looking.
50:50I
50:50don't
50:50know.
50:51Have
50:51a cup
50:51of
50:51tea,
50:52take
50:52a
50:52break,
50:52just
50:52give
50:53your
50:53brain
50:53arrest.
50:54All
50:54right.
50:54Yeah.
50:56What number
50:56are you
50:56on?
50:57Six.
50:58Six?
50:58Yes.
51:02Oh,
51:02straight
51:03in.
51:03Look at
51:03that.
51:04In
51:05it
51:05goes.
51:06Yes,
51:07get in,
51:07Ron.
51:09Fantastic.
51:23Good.
51:28You
51:29all right?
51:46Yeah,
51:47come on.
51:48Jo,
51:48follow me
51:48quick.
51:49Good
51:51voice
51:52when you
51:52rang.
51:53What
51:53lies
51:54were at
51:54stake?
51:55They
51:55are,
51:55Kayla,
51:56love.
51:56They
51:56are.
51:59There
51:59you
52:00go.
52:03Bloody
52:03hell.
52:06Well done,
52:06love.
52:07Thank
52:07you
52:07very
52:07much.
52:11When
52:12we
52:12arrested
52:13Bobby
52:13Washington
52:14at
52:14Liverpool
52:14Street
52:15station,
52:16he
52:16was
52:16wearing
52:16that.
52:17Yeah,
52:17playing
52:17red
52:18football
52:18shirt.
52:19Generic
52:19logo.
52:20However,
52:21this
52:22eyewitness
52:23clearly
52:24states
52:25on the
52:25day
52:26of the
52:26stabbing
52:27he
52:27was
52:27wearing
52:28a red
52:28football
52:28shirt
52:29with a
52:29gold
52:29number
52:30seven
52:30on
52:30the
52:31front.
52:33There's
52:34another
52:34shirt.
52:40Now,
52:41I think
52:42that
52:42is
52:43blood
52:43washed
52:44out,
52:45but
52:45still
52:46there.
52:47Bag it
52:48up.
52:48Bobby
52:52came
52:52around
52:52here
52:52Saturday
52:53morning,
52:53didn't
52:53he,
52:54Jamal,
52:54and he
52:54washed
52:54that
52:54knife
52:55for
52:55him.
52:56What
52:57were you
52:57thinking?
52:58I was
52:58trying to
52:59protect
52:59him.
53:00I did
53:01it for
53:01you.
53:04Well,
53:05you know
53:05why most
53:05criminals
53:06get caught?
53:06because
53:11they're
53:11even
53:11more
53:11stupid
53:12than
53:12we
53:12are.
53:14Seriously,
53:15why keep
53:15a blood
53:16stained
53:16shirt?
53:16my dad
53:22bought
53:23for
53:23me.
53:29My
53:30rule,
53:30dad.
53:37That's
53:38the only thing
53:38I've got
53:39left of
53:39him.
53:39Bobby,
53:59what did
54:02you say
54:02to
54:02Detective
54:03Brits?
54:03told him
54:07the white
54:07bitch
54:07deserved
54:08it.
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54:43tomorrow night
54:44for the
54:442014
54:45World Cup
54:46opening
54:46ceremony
54:47followed by
54:47Brazil
54:48versus
54:48Croatia
54:49live
54:49from
54:50Seven.
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54:51tonight
54:51over
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54:53Sky
54:53Channel
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