- 4/23/2025
Writer/Director Rian Johnson discusses his new film Knives Out and addresses all of our nerdy Star Wars questions
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00:00Our next guest is an accomplished writer and director.
00:04A couple little things you may have heard of before, like loopers and, oh, Star Wars
00:09Episode VIII, The Last Jedi.
00:12Yeah.
00:12And we, oh, you wanted me to play his case?
00:14There you go.
00:15Need a fanfare when we bring somebody on board.
00:18But he is here to promote the film Knives Out, which is star-studded, looks really, really
00:23cool.
00:24Please welcome writer and director, Ryan Johnson.
00:26Yeah!
00:27Thank you, thank you.
00:28Hey, Ryan, how are you?
00:30I'm doing great, Preston.
00:30Thanks for having me.
00:31Absolutely, man.
00:32We're excited about this.
00:34Tremendously.
00:35Yeah, we're fans of the murder mystery, the whodunits and all that, and you just don't
00:39see them that often.
00:41Yeah.
00:41This style, in the vein of Agatha Christie and in the vein of, you know, 12 Little Indians,
00:48Murder on the Orient Express, you know, the Hitchcock, that sort of stuff.
00:52And when they're done well, there's nothing like them.
00:55They just totally bring you in.
00:57Yeah, that's my, it's a lot.
00:58One of my favorite genres, man.
01:00Like, I grew up reading Agatha Christie's books.
01:02I grew up reading, like, the movies based on them.
01:04And it's so much, like, everybody loves a good murder mystery, like a good whodunit,
01:08you know?
01:08Oh, absolutely.
01:09And it also is one of the few that allows for great ensemble work.
01:15Yes.
01:15Yeah, yeah.
01:16You got, like, a rogues gallery of suspects.
01:18Yeah.
01:18Like, the idea with this movie was, let's do a star-studded cast.
01:23It's kind of, like, old school like that.
01:25Let's have it be so, like, everyone that pops up on screen, you're like, oh, it's that person.
01:28Yeah.
01:29Let me rattle off the names, okay?
01:31For those who may not be familiar.
01:32Christopher Plummer, Daniel Craig, Chris Evans, Jamie Lee Curtis, Michael Shannon, Tony
01:37Collette, Don Johnson.
01:39Loved it.
01:39Who's been doing some great stuff.
01:41The Watchmen.
01:41Watchmen.
01:42Yeah.
01:42Frank Oz, even.
01:44Yeah, we got Frank in there.
01:45Awesome.
01:46Christopher Plummer.
01:47Christopher, the legend.
01:47The great Christopher Plummer.
01:48The legend, yeah.
01:49And it's exactly, also, you get a chance to, with a cast like that, and Jamie Lee Curtis,
01:55to, I think, I remember when I first saw the original Murder on the Orange Express, you
02:00know, and that's actually got me reading Agatha Christie.
02:02You can high-concept characters a little bit.
02:05You know what I'm saying?
02:06Absolutely.
02:06They're just on the verge of caricature.
02:09Yeah.
02:09Really, and that's, I mean, that's the thing with this.
02:11It's a fun movie, and the cast, all of these stars, they just showed up ready to play.
02:16I love it.
02:16So they're having a blast, you know?
02:17I love Daniel Craig, and Chris Evans looks to be.
02:21He's playing a jerk.
02:23He's playing a real jerk.
02:24And savoring.
02:25Everyone seems to save.
02:26Michael Shannon is super intense, and yet he gets to.
02:29Oh, he's having fun.
02:30He's having fun?
02:31Daniel Craig, if you, I mean, if you just know him from the Bond movies, you would think
02:34he's a really serious, intense guy.
02:36He is so much fun in real life.
02:38He's like a blast, and he's having a ball in this movie.
02:41Love it.
02:41So what's it like?
02:42I would imagine you have scenes where everybody's in it at the same time.
02:46Those are my favorite ones.
02:47What's that got to be like, where in-between takes, where these people are just kind of,
02:50you know, it's got to be fun.
02:52It was a party, man.
02:53And also, I mean, we shot in a house in Massachusetts.
02:55It's like in a murder mystery mansion, but we're in like a real house.
02:58And so everyone liked each other, and in-between takes, people wouldn't like go back to their
03:03trailers and get on their cell phones.
03:05They would all go down in the basement of this house, like around the pool table and hang out.
03:09Exactly what you want.
03:10It was like summer camp for movie stars.
03:11It was great.
03:12It was really fun.
03:13I think you can see on screen how much fun everyone's having.
03:15The conceit is a celebrated writer, 85 years old, I guess.
03:21He's having a birthday.
03:22The family's a little disenfranchised.
03:24He wants to bring them together, reunite them.
03:26And in classic fashion, he ends up dead.
03:29Yep.
03:29And then you have your, but all the tropes that should be there are there, you know?
03:36Yeah, yeah.
03:37And in a lot of ways, it's very traditional.
03:38Yeah, exactly.
03:39But then it also throws some curveballs at you.
03:41And the big thing it does, a lot of times when you see the Christie adaptations, I mean,
03:45I love them dearly, but they're period pieces.
03:48Yeah.
03:48This is set today.
03:49It's modern.
03:50I love that.
03:50And all the characters are modern types.
03:52And so it's very much updated for 2019.
03:56And you're inherently, you have a good sense of humor.
03:59You see it permeate all your work.
04:02And I think a lot of times people forget that the original Agatha Christie stuff and the
04:07original Hitchcock always had a sense of humor.
04:10Oh, yeah.
04:10I remember there's a scene in Frenzy, the movie Frenzy, where they're sitting having a
04:15meal, and the meal is supposed to be analogous to the, and it's just funny.
04:19And all that stuff works.
04:20And that makes it even more, you know, to see what I'm seeing.
04:24Absolutely.
04:24Yeah, yeah.
04:25Well, and Poirot, you know, Christie's Detective Poirot.
04:28When Peter Ustinoff, he's my favorite Poirot.
04:30I think you're right.
04:31Back in the day.
04:31And he got the clownishness of him.
04:33I think Albert Frenzy was a little hard to understand.
04:36Yeah, I love him.
04:37He's going all out, man.
04:38But I mean, I love, I think Branagh's Poirot is terrific.
04:40But Ustinoff was, and David Suchet is terrific.
04:44Ustinoff is my favorite, though.
04:45And there's something funny about, yeah, they're having fun with these characters.
04:49Oh, yeah.
04:49Well, Steve had mentioned a movie the other day that I loved, and I run into very few
04:53people who remember it, but it was Murder by Death, if you remember.
04:56Oh, God, yeah, of course.
04:57It was such a hilarious movie.
04:59Now it's a little more slapstick, you know?
05:00Yeah, yeah.
05:01Neil Simon wrote it.
05:02It's like, it's more like Clue.
05:04It's more like a parody.
05:05Right.
05:05And he was a fan.
05:06He was a fan of that.
05:07So, you know, one of your works, which I love is Brick, which has been, has a, everyone
05:14always says, a Dashiell Hammett sort of vibe to it, with the sharp dialogue and everything.
05:20I mean, this is great stuff that doesn't get exercised a lot.
05:24Yeah, it's fun to go, I mean, I don't know.
05:26These are genres that I grew up just, like, loving, you know?
05:28And so the idea is to get the essential pleasure of what everyone loves about them, but then,
05:33you know, hopefully throw some stuff at you that you haven't seen in them before, too.
05:36So it feels a little, you know, it feels like you are also on a ride and you're not quite
05:40sure what's going to happen next.
05:41And the story written by you?
05:42Yeah.
05:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:43So this is completely original?
05:45Yeah, this is an original who done it, yeah.
05:46Okay, so do you start at the end and work your way back?
05:51I actually, I start way zoomed back.
05:53I start just thinking about the shape of the whole thing.
05:55Okay.
05:55Yeah, but I need to have that.
05:57I need to have the whole thing.
05:58I couldn't start writing at the beginning and find my way through.
06:00Right.
06:00I need to have the whole shape of my head before I sit down.
06:02I think you would have to.
06:04Yeah.
06:04And there's a certain, the people who have done it the best, I think, approach it that
06:07way.
06:08Yeah.
06:08Because, you know, it allows you to keep tagging things on, you know?
06:13Yeah.
06:13And MacGuffins and all that.
06:15Well, when you get to the end of A Good Murder Mystery, you know, and you have the scene,
06:18one of my favorite types of scenes in all of fiction, where the detective lays the whole
06:23thing out in the library.
06:24Yes!
06:24Yes!
06:24Which we have a really good one of those.
06:27And with that, you have to have laid the groundwork, because it's only satisfying if
06:32you feel like, oh yeah, that thing.
06:33Oh yeah, if you recognize each of them and it's paying something home.
06:36Did you have someone fact check and make sure that what you did was legitimate?
06:41You know who was the best at that on set?
06:43Like Chris Evans, he would bust my balls, and he would come up in between every take
06:49and like, I would just notice this, and then every time my heart would clench up, because
06:53I was like, oh no, he caught me, and then I realized, oh no, it's because of this, and
06:56I would explain to him, and say, yeah, I got away with it.
06:58Well, that's a sign of a good mystery, because you go, wait a minute, no, no, no, no, you
07:04know what I mean?
07:05I love it, and the critical response has been sensational.
07:09It's got to make you feel good when you invest time in something you love.
07:14Not that it's everything, but it's something.
07:16You know, I'll tell you, the bigger thing is, this is like a movie to be seen with an audience,
07:20and the audience is, it's been playing really well.
07:23It's been, you know, it gets big laughs, and then people are enjoying it.
07:26That, to me, is what's fun.
07:27So I'd like to show it tonight.
07:28Allow me to quote The Hollywood Reporter, which says,
07:30It's an ingeniously plotted, tremendously entertaining, and deviously irreverent crowd pleaser.
07:36Well, that's it, yeah.
07:37That's what you want.
07:38So it is playing tonight at the Philadelphia Film Festival.
07:40Do you know if there's any tickets available?
07:43You know, I don't know.
07:44I think I just saw a tweet that they had, like, released a few more, so you might want
07:47to check their website and see.
07:49It's filmadelphia.org.
07:50Opening for Thanksgiving, if you can't get it, and that's, they wheel out what they believe
07:55to be the heavy hitters, you know, for that.
07:57And so, obviously, relatively speaking, you're a younger filmmaker, you know.
08:03God bless you, sir.
08:05With the body of work.
08:07But, you know, we've, so obviously, we're going to talk about this stuff and the Star Wars,
08:12you know, universe that you're now in.
08:16And now you have, you've, you have your own trilogy that you're responsible for that
08:21has been, and if I'm not correct, tell me so I can start weeping.
08:25But I think you have this potential, this new universe that you can create from the
08:30ground up that's in the same environment, but removed.
08:33Yeah, yeah, yeah.
08:34That's what's really exciting moving forward, because the, you know, the, they've said with
08:38episode nine that JJ is doing right now, which I'm, God, I'm so excited for.
08:42I cannot wait.
08:43It looks phenomenal.
08:43Oh, God, that trailer just knocked me out.
08:46So, I mean, that's going to be, they've said over and over, this is going to be the end
08:49of kind of this era of the movies.
08:51And I think it's time, honestly, I love, I love, and I love every, even the second
08:57trilogy, the Lucas trilogy, certainly their issues, perhaps you've heard some of the buzz
09:01about what fans think.
09:03I think, I commend you for taking on something like that, because you're damned if you do
09:08and damned if you don't.
09:08I love the fans so much.
09:10I am a fan.
09:11That's the thing.
09:12I grew up as a Star Wars fan.
09:13And so, all of the passion for it, I was in my 20s when the prequels came out.
09:17So, both sides of the passion for Star Wars, I've been plugged into always, and that's what's
09:22great about it.
09:23I commend you for agreeing to do it, like, because you're such a fan, you're like, did
09:28you ever, was there ever a thought of like, no, I can't do this?
09:31No, I don't, I mean, it's just something that's so deep, I know everyone is a Star Wars
09:35fan who like, when those first movies came out, if you're like my age, you saw them when
09:40you were like five and six, it's so deep in your bones, it's something you love so dearly.
09:44And also, the people who make these movies, and the producers and everything, and the
09:48talent, they're just the best people on the planet, and everyone is just working from
09:52such a pure place of love for what this thing is, you know, and so, no, man, I couldn't,
09:57you know.
09:57You had to, you had to let that purity guide, you know, at least you could have control
10:02over it.
10:02It's the only thing you can do, yeah, exactly, it's just follow kind of, you know, what you
10:06want to do.
10:06So, I want to ask you about ownership of movies, because people take the Star Wars universe
10:11very seriously, and I'm a Star Wars nerd through and through, but people also confuse opinions
10:17and facts all the time, and it bothers me, because if you have an opinion on a movie,
10:21that's not necessarily a fact about that movie, but people state them as if they are.
10:25And I loved Last Jedi, and there were so many layers to it that I think people misunderstood,
10:30or they walked out of the theater with an opinion, and it's fine for them to have their opinion
10:35too, but what's your take on blowback or criticism or whatever?
10:41Does it bother you?
10:42Does it stick with you?
10:43Or how do you interpret it?
10:44Well, like I said, I got to come at it from, again, the perspective of being a Star Wars
10:47fan my whole life, and realizing that the passion for it, there are two sides to that.
10:53You know, the passion's going to land one way for some, and if you don't like something,
10:56that passion's going to apply back the other way, and there's no use, there's no, you know,
11:00you can't have one without the other, I guess.
11:02You know, people feel strongly about this stuff because they care about it so deeply,
11:05and people are going to respond to different things.
11:08Every fan is looking for something slightly different from a Star Wars movie.
11:12There's nothing that's going to say that.
11:13And that's the general, I was in the theater on opening night for the original Star Wars
11:18because I'm an old bastard, and I'd read the paperback book that before the movie came
11:24out, that had scenes that were not even shot for the movie.
11:26It's from Lucas's screenplay, and the movie was always intended to be a fun homage to
11:32the movie serials.
11:33Yeah, it's Buck Rogers.
11:34And that's it.
11:35Yeah, man.
11:36And it was supposed to be loving and fun.
11:37Yeah.
11:38But then, as its own myth started, it almost started to weigh it down, and people lost sight
11:44of, just go have a good time.
11:45Well, but the thing is, I feel like there is always an element, because it was that, but
11:50then, you know, with Empire, it dug a little bit deeper into the mythic stuff.
11:54And that's one of the, you know...
11:56That was a fish hook that got us all, you know.
11:58Empire really shook it up from A New Hope in every single way.
12:01I mean, not just the big I Am Your Father twist, but tonally, and also in terms of how
12:05deep it went, in terms of digging into that kind of deeper mythological stuff, you know,
12:10the psychological stuff.
12:12And a classic second act.
12:13Oh, my God.
12:14It doesn't end.
12:15100%.
12:15And really turns everything up onto its head, and then, in a way that can be really
12:21satisfyingly resolved in the third one.
12:23You see where I'm going with that?
12:24Yeah.
12:25Well, you did some things in this movie that we hadn't seen in any of the previous eight,
12:32or I'm sorry, seven movies, I should say.
12:35And one of them was using light speed as a weapon.
12:38Yeah.
12:38Well, although, the first, I mean, in A New Hope, the first time they talk about light speed,
12:43what's the context they're talking about, and they're talking about you've got to do
12:47your calculations right, or you'll run into something, and it'll be a big mess.
12:50Yeah.
12:50But the blowback on that, and you know the fans are like, oh.
12:53Well, but I never quite understood that, because the thing is, that was the context that it
12:57was introduced in, so it's not like it physically can't happen.
13:00So the only argument I've really heard is we don't want to think about the fact that
13:04it can happen, because that complicates how we have to think about war in this world.
13:09You would have to make calculations, and you had, like, shields and things, too.
13:12Exactly for that.
13:13But, I mean, it's your toy.
13:15You'd run with it.
13:16Yeah, right now.
13:17Yeah, no.
13:17It's like, because, no, no, no, no, no.
13:19So the eight-foot talking carpet, that's real?
13:23Relax!
13:24Well, I mean, it has to make sense within the context of the world.
13:27It does.
13:27And I, yeah, you're right.
13:28But I feel like, you know, that I can stand behind, you know.
13:30No, it was a mother-effer of a scene.
13:32Yeah, that scene.
13:33Yeah, yeah.
13:33Come on.
13:34And, yeah, the effects, it was great.
13:36Speaking of fans, real quick, and I know you guys all have questions.
13:39Everybody's got their hands raised here.
13:41But as now, I haven't gone back and watched The Last Jedi in a little while.
13:46But is that, I think fans had a bunch of fun with the fight scene where Kylo and Rey, you know what I'm talking about?
13:55They used the different pieces of music.
13:57Did you happen to see those?
13:58Yeah, that was really fun.
13:59And everyone started remixing it to different songs.
14:01Oh, our own Nick Murphy, who I introduced you to.
14:03Yeah.
14:03He did a whole.
14:04He did like a dozen of them.
14:05He did a whole album.
14:06I've shown some funny ones and some other ones that, like, you know, totally, absolutely made sense.
14:12I love it.
14:13I think he might even use Firework from Katy Perry.
14:16Yeah.
14:17That's great.
14:17That's awesome.
14:18I totally see that.
14:19Yeah.
14:19Yeah, that's a blast, man.
14:21You've got to love that fans are having fun with that.
14:22Well, that's what, I mean, they take it and they make it their own, whether it's that or fan fiction or fan art or, you know, people just take this stuff so personally.
14:29That's what's great about it.
14:30In A New Hope, Luke meets Leia via a hologram.
14:35And in The Last Jedi, Luke says goodbye to Leia via a hologram.
14:39Was that your idea?
14:40Yeah.
14:41Yeah, man.
14:41You got, I mean, the symmetry, you know, you're always looking for symmetry.
14:44Wow.
14:45If you can hit that sweet spot with symmetry.
14:47So that even if you don't, you know, the first time you watch a movie, you aren't thinking of any of those terms.
14:51When you step back and take a look at the whole thing laid out, you're like, oh, this rhymes with this.
14:55And this, it bookends this, especially with something like Star Wars, you're always searching for those, you know, those things to lay in there.
15:03Thank you for answering questions about a movie.
15:04Because I know you're good to talk about Knives Out.
15:07And so, and I can't wait to see that movie as well.
15:10But while we have a director of one of the Star Wars movies in the studio.
15:13I love talking about Star Wars.
15:13We lavish love on Knives Out as well.
15:16But I also have to ask, because Looper is an amazing film.
15:20And it also speaks to your ability to add, remember watching that and go, well, this is a really cool conceit.
15:23I'm thinking of like, has a Harlan Ellison, Philip K. Dick sort of vibe to it.
15:28It's cool.
15:28It's jumping around.
15:30And then it gets you emotionally too.
15:32And, you know, when you're, and that's something that I think when you can do that in all, in all this stuff where you, you know,
15:38you can go down one path and phone it in and then it becomes something where it just, it gets you, you know,
15:44viscerally with the kid and what his future will be and how things have to be right.
15:51That to me was just such an amazing end.
15:55I don't want to give it away if you've never seen it.
15:56You need to see Looper.
15:57But working with Bruce Willis and working with Joseph Gordon-Levitt, who you worked with in Brick as well,
16:03you know, you start to build an ensemble of people you go to, you know.
16:07And there are people that are comfortable.
16:10Who do you consider your go-to, you know, people now?
16:14Well, I haven't worked with him for a few movies, but Joe Gordon-Levitt is one of my good friends.
16:18He's so good, man.
16:19He's such a good person, you know.
16:21He's such a lovely, wonderful guy.
16:23And I manage even, this is The Last Jedi.
16:26He wasn't, we got him in there as a voice, alien voice.
16:29Okay, I was wondering.
16:30Knives out, we had to get him in there as a voice too.
16:31Oh, that's great.
16:32Because he wasn't available.
16:33So you keep your ears peeled.
16:34He's in there.
16:35Sorry.
16:35You guys are friends.
16:36Yeah, we're buddies.
16:36Okay, because he's in a scene of a movie.
16:38It's one of my favorite theatrical scenes ever.
16:41And it's a movie called 500 Days of Summer.
16:43Oh, yeah.
16:43And it's when the Hall & Oates song comes on.
16:46You know, to me, I just, and there's a Han Solo thing in it as well.
16:51But I would love to meet that guy.
16:53He is a good friend of yours.
16:54He's a sweetheart, man.
16:55He is so cool.
16:56Will you tell him that I love him?
16:58Let's call him right now.
16:59Let's get him on speaker.
17:00Whenever I hear that song, I bounce around like he does when he's walking down the street.
17:04Like, I want to do what he did in that movie.
17:07Yeah.
17:07No, he's a, yeah, we made, the very first movie I made was called Brick.
17:10It was like a weird, like, high school noir.
17:12And he was in it.
17:14I've heard that reference twice today.
17:14I haven't seen it.
17:15Oh, well.
17:15Did you shoot that at the high school you went to?
17:17I did.
17:18Yeah.
17:18Yeah.
17:18I shot at San Clemente High School down in Orange County.
17:21That's wild.
17:21Yeah.
17:22Yeah.
17:22It's got to be cool to come back with a film crew to the school that you.
17:25It was cool.
17:26But we were really low budget.
17:27We were like micro budget with that movie.
17:29So I think we were more annoying to them.
17:31I'm surprised that they didn't kick us out before we were done filming.
17:35Well, Knives Out, honestly, is, I cannot wait to see it.
17:39It looks phenomenal.
17:40And so I assume, have you done the full premiere route yet?
17:46Or is this one cog in the premiere cycle?
17:48Well, Philly is not a cog.
17:51I know.
17:51This is the main engine of the Fraylville tour.
17:54Thank you for saying that.
17:55Yeah.
17:56We premiered at Toronto.
17:57And I just came from the Chicago Film Festival.
18:00And we're here tonight.
18:03And I'm psyched to see it with every, like I said, man, this is a crowd movie.
18:08This is a crowd-pleasing movie.
18:09It's so much fun to be in the theater when a big crowd is watching this.
18:12Love it.
18:12Love it.
18:13Can I ask what the title refers to?
18:14Or is it a plot point that we need to wait for?
18:16No.
18:16It's, I mean, sort of.
18:17There are knives in it.
18:19But it's, I mean, the Radiohead song.
18:21Yeah.
18:21Is what I, I kind of stuck it in my head years ago.
18:24You know, amnesiac, I think it's on, and knives out.
18:27And so that phrase just always seemed like a cool turn of phrase to me.
18:29It seemed like a good murder mystery.
18:30It always, well, it always, to me, it always, it always indicates.
18:33And the knives are out for you.
18:34Your knives are out.
18:35Your knives are, yeah, exactly.
18:36Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:37Somebody's got it, yeah.
18:38Which definitely applies to the family in this movie.
18:40Awesome.
18:41Can I jump in real quick?
18:42Jack, I just want to ask you, because I know that you do have your fingerprint on the Breaking
18:45Bad universe.
18:46And you directed a couple of episodes of the final season.
18:50Yeah.
18:51I watched El Camino, and then I was like, oh, God, I got to go back and watch the final
18:54two seasons.
18:55So I did that, and then I watched El Camino again.
18:57So you directed Ozymandias, and I got to ask, is that the episode where Walt calls Skylar
19:02and has the phone conversation with her?
19:04Yeah.
19:04That is like some of the finest acting I've ever witnessed in my entire life, because
19:09he is saying things to her.
19:14Without saying them.
19:15But he's also on, like, so what you're hearing through the phone is what he's saying, but
19:21emotionally, he's not saying those words.
19:24And, like, so can you explain that better than what I just said?
19:28No, you put it just beautifully, man.
19:29And Cranston, I mean, that's the explanation.
19:32It's one word.
19:33It's Cranston.
19:33That dude is just...
19:34Cranston.
19:35So you didn't have anything to do with that?
19:37No, man.
19:38No, honestly, I, you know, you show up and you do, you know, you do your work as a director,
19:42which is on set to be an audience for the actor, you know?
19:44And so you watch it.
19:45If you feel something, you say it to them.
19:47If you feel, you know, try this, try that.
19:50The truth is, though, especially Breaking Bad.
19:51I mean, the writing is so good, you know?
19:53You know, those actors, as a director, it makes your job so easy.
19:57You just show up on set and just, like, roll with it and try and maximize it.
20:01Real quick, how many takes for that particular scene?
20:04I don't know.
20:04I think it was freezing that night, so I don't think many.
20:09I think it was maybe three or four, you know?
20:11And then Anna Gunn, you know, Skylar's side of the call.
20:15It's interesting because, you know, I remember with Yoda, you know, with Mark and Frank Oz, Mark Hamill and Frank Oz.
20:21Yeah.
20:21Frank telling me, you know, everyone talks about the expressiveness of the puppet and the performance of Yoda, and he said 90% of it is Mark believing, you know, listening.
20:31Yeah, yeah.
20:32I can believe that, yeah.
20:33And, yeah, it's a weird analogy, but what Anna is doing on the other side, the amount of that call where we're on her face and hearing her realize what her husband is doing, that's, you know, that's as much of the scene.
20:46Okay, and for that, was she in the next room?
20:49Was she actually on the phone with him while he was doing it?
20:51Or was you doing a playback?
20:52No, we had him there, so he was, obviously, we shot them completely separately, but then we have both, and vice versa.
21:00She was on set, kind of on the phone with him there for his side of it, and we were in the house shooting.
21:06It was a totally different day, but he was there for her side of it, so they were both there for each other.
21:10Okay.
21:11That's wild.
21:11And, by the way, you should probably put some ointment on those fanboy burns you just got.
21:17Those could get infected.
21:18That's all right.
21:19I'm scabbed over.
21:20It's all right.
21:20I got the scabs.
21:22All right.
21:23Thank you very much.
21:24Ryan Johnson, everybody.
21:25Thanks, guys.
21:25Thanks for coming by.
21:26Appreciate it.
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