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'Do You Think The President Was Right Or The Judge Was Right?': Roy Grills Witnesses About Deportations
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4/16/2025
At a House Judiciary Committee hearing prior to the Congressional recess, Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) spoke to witnesses about President Trump's attempt to deport alleged TdA members.
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Mr. Rory. I thank my colleague from California. Ms. Romero, you have testified about your
00:06
experience in Aurora, Colorado. As we talked about at the beginning, I came to Aurora and
00:11
visited with you and others that were impacted by what you were dealing with. To be clear,
00:16
you felt terrorized in your home, in your apartment. Do you have an order, Mr. Chairman?
00:23
If you have conversations, please take him off the dais. The gentleman's recognized.
00:29
With all respect to my colleagues, and I noticed Ms. Romero, who was bothered by,
00:34
you know, we're talking about people's lives, Americans' lives. Ms. Romero, your life.
00:39
Yes or no, in short answer, was your life turned upside down by the existence of
00:43
Tranda y Agua in your home, in your apartment complex in Aurora, Colorado?
00:48
Absolutely, and continues to be.
00:51
And people were in danger, American citizens, Americans were in danger.
00:54
I was in danger. My family was in danger. I couldn't get my grandchildren to even
00:59
come visit. It was dangerous over there. The police didn't want to respond.
01:04
The local government in Aurora did not want to acknowledge. There was continued pushback
01:09
and gaslighting.
01:11
And I mentioned earlier, when I opened up this, the extent to which we had a young woman here
01:15
who was testifying last year in this committee, Alexis Nugre, whose daughter, Jocelyn, was murdered
01:20
at the hands of Tranda y Agua members in Houston, Texas. Is that acceptable?
01:24
It's absolutely not acceptable.
01:27
And so let me ask you this. Should TDA gang members or MS-13 gang members be removed and
01:35
deported from the United States of America? Let me first ask Ms. Shaw, Professor Shaw, should
01:39
they be removed?
01:42
The president certainly has the authority to make that determination. The question is,
01:46
how do we know who is a member of these bodies?
01:49
So these members should be removed? These TDA gang members, MS-13 gang members who are
01:53
posing a danger to the American people and citizens should be removed from the United
01:56
States of America?
01:57
I am a scholar. I'm not going to take a policy position on how immigration should be enforced
02:01
or carried out.
02:02
But you comment on these issues all the time.
02:03
I opine on the law. And the president has certain authority, significant authority, to
02:08
enforce the immigration laws, but the Constitution is supreme.
02:10
The president has significant authority as the commander-in-chief to protect the United States?
02:14
Of course.
02:15
Ms. Romero, do you think these TDA gang members and MS-13 gang members and other dangerous
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individuals should be removed from the United States so they do not pose harm to American
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citizens?
02:24
Every last one of them.
02:27
And given that, do you believe it was appropriate for the president to remove those that were
02:33
removed that Judge Boasberg decided to, from his perch, in the district court in the District
02:39
of Columbia, stop or attempt to stop a plane leaving Harlingen, Texas to remove said individuals
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because this judge in D.C. decided to assert that he had jurisdiction over that plane that
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the commander-in-chief was using to remove these dangerous individuals from our country?
02:58
Do you think the president was right or the judge was right?
03:01
I think the president was absolutely right.
03:03
If you can describe them as illegal and an immigrant to this country and a criminal all
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at the same time, they need to be go.
03:11
They need to go out of our country.
03:13
Much has been made of this individual from Maryland.
03:17
To be clear, this is an individual that by all accounts was a member affiliated with MS-13,
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the dangerous thing in Maryland.
03:23
I will not.
03:24
This individual was affiliated with MS-13, had an order of removal against him, was here
03:29
illegally in the United States of America, and was put on a plane, a separate plane, by
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the way, from the one under the alien enemy's removal, because he was on an order of removal.
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Now, the fact is, I think my colleagues on the other side of the aisle would like the
03:44
American people to believe that it is more important for us to be concerned about the
03:49
specific mechanics of an individual illegal alien affiliated with MS-13, endangering the
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American people, and whether or not the intricacies of due process about what claims that guy
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was making to alleged asylum, by the way, asylum because he was afraid of what might happen
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to him at the hands of the gangs he affiliated with, if he's sent back home to El Salvador,
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that that would somehow trump the extent to which Ms. Romero or Alexis Nungere would be
04:19
the ones that are put down at the hands of dangerous gangs, making your life upside down
04:25
as an American citizen.
04:26
Do you think that's fair, Ms. Romero?
04:28
It is not fair, and I have rights too.
04:31
And we weren't asked permission to allow these unvetted criminals into our country, and nobody
04:36
stopped them once we sounded the alarm.
04:38
Something has to be done now.
04:40
Mr. Speaker, thank you for being here.
04:44
We've talked a little bit about what we might be able to do, and you talked about the fast
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track to the court and so forth.
04:50
I remain of the belief, and I think we've passed legislation out here, and I think it'd
04:54
be important to send that to the Senate.
04:56
I agree with you to send a message to the Supreme Court.
04:58
I would posit and see if you agree, I think we need to clarify for the record, for both sides
05:04
of the aisle, in response to my friend from Colorado's commentary, that we had a wake-up
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call for our Democratic friends when suddenly there were some judges in the Northern District
05:13
of Texas who were saying, wait a minute, we don't think some of these ridiculous rulings
05:17
about men being in locker rooms with our girls in schools should somehow be okay because radical
05:23
administrators under the Biden administration were allowing it to occur.
05:26
Do you agree that having ability to say that you're not going to have a nationwide injunction
05:31
at the hands of one judge, but then have a process by which you can have a nationwide
05:35
injunction, either through a three-judge panel at the appellate or fast-track to the court,
05:39
to clarify for the record, we're saying that's not a partisan exercise, that we're saying
05:43
that no one judge should make that, that there should be a process, though, and there are times
05:48
when a nationwide injunction does need to occur to stop administrators from making law.
05:52
The gentleman's time has expired, but you may answer.
05:54
Well, whether it is a liberal or a conservative, whether it's a Democrat or a Republican,
06:00
the very concept of the distribution of power in the American system would indicate that no
06:05
single person should have the power to dictate to the entire country what they personally happen
06:12
to believe that week. And I think that we need to demystify the process of judgeship,
06:18
recognize that it's occupied by humans. There's an amazing passage from Jefferson where he says,
06:24
look, these are people. They're subject to exactly the same problems as politicians or anybody else,
06:29
and you can't put them up on a pedestal. So you've got to have a system which blocks power
06:35
from being exploited by the personality or the idiosyncrasies of one person imposing on 335 million
06:44
people. And I think that what Chairman Issa has brought out is a very useful first step.
06:51
As I said earlier, I think the Chief Justice could vitiate this entire issue if he took the right
06:57
steps. But I think we as a people cannot allow random individuals arrogate to themselves being
07:05
alternative presidents and imposing their personal will on the entire country.
07:09
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now you'll buy it.
07:10
Thank you. The gentlelady from Vermont is recognized for five minutes.
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