"When experts are brought in from outside, they rely solely on those who..." Dr. Basharat Hassan

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00:00I wanted to say that this is a matter of planning.

00:04You are an expert in alternate energy.

00:07We wasted our gas reserves in cars.

00:16We had to build dams.

00:19We had to go towards the dams.

00:21Sometimes Nushehra had to sink.

00:22Sometimes Sindh objected to it.

00:24Kala Bagh didn't build a dam.

00:25We could have used the option provided by Allah in the summer.

00:30It would have given relief to the people.

00:33They have put a lot of pressure on us to buy back this option.

00:39The solar policy of Pakistan,

00:43is it the same in other countries as well?

00:45Does it become a policy for 10, 15, 20 years?

00:48Can it be reviewed after that?

00:50In other countries as well,

00:52the ECC sits down and makes a sign.

00:54Then they say that the policy was for 15 years.

00:58But you are discontinuing it after 2 years.

01:00Please tell us about this.

01:02When you call experts from outside,

01:04like our minister,

01:06it depends on what their advisers tell them.

01:09I will give you an example.

01:11Before the budget came,

01:13their advisers told them that

01:15packaged milk is only for rich people.

01:19They said this on TV.

01:21Packaged milk is only for rich people.

01:23That is why I have put a tax on it.

01:25Every labourer drinks it.

01:31You have put a tax on it for Rs.100 per litre.

01:34It has become Rs.380 per litre.

01:37It is more expensive than France.

01:39It is cheaper than France.

01:41The experts who come from outside,

01:43they know the ground realities.

01:46Now they are saying that

01:48it is only for rich people.

01:50I have put this tax on it

01:52because they know that

01:54only rich people use solar panels.

01:56Go and see.

01:58People use solar panels in workshops.

02:00People use solar panels in workshops.

02:02People use solar panels in workshops.

02:04Even solar panels have UPS.

02:06And solar panels are used in places

02:08where there is no electricity.

02:10So in your opinion,

02:12the government should review this policy.

02:14The middle class has no voice.

02:20You are the voice.

02:22I am the voice.

02:24I am telling you,

02:2685% of the people in your assembly

02:28are high-ranking officials

02:30and industrialists.

02:321% of the people are

02:34engineers and doctors.

02:36You can see the statistics

02:38of the last election.

02:4085% make policies for themselves.

02:42Or they make policies for the poor.

02:44The middle class,

02:46the educated people

02:48who want to improve their education

02:50have been crushed the most

02:52in the last 5-7 years.

02:54They have been crushed the most.

02:56The landlord has also been crushed.

02:58The landlord's situation is so bad.

03:00There is no voice.

03:02My entire garden

03:04is on drip irrigation and solar.

03:06My late wife does it.

03:08But if you look at it,

03:10you have to pay the cost.

03:12Dr. Sharif,

03:14people want to understand

03:16that you are putting

03:184,000 megawatts

03:20in the electricity grid.

03:224,300 megawatts.

03:24When you are putting

03:26cheap electricity in the grid,

03:28instead of taking advantage of it,

03:30you are using expensive

03:32furnace oil or gas.

03:34So,

03:36the technicalities

03:38of the grid

03:40should make us understand

03:42that if electricity is being produced,

03:44people are surviving

03:46during the day.

03:48So, you will have to

03:50run the grid at night.

03:52What is the problem?

03:54The problem is that

03:56they have made

03:5830-year agreements

04:00for 25-30 years.

04:02They have made agreements

04:04with the IPPs

04:06on imported furnace oil,

04:08imported coal,

04:10imported LNG.

04:12Now,

04:14when you have

04:16only 7,000 megawatts

04:18in the winter,

04:20you have put

04:2245,000 megawatts.

04:24So,

04:26the difference is

04:28that they have to pay

04:30billions of rupees.

04:32So,

04:34I told him

04:36that when you are

04:38going for LNG and solar,

04:40he told me that

04:42he has to pay the fuel

04:44and other costs.

04:46So,

04:48he has to pay the fuel

04:50and other costs.

04:52I hope you understood

04:54the issue.

04:56Chaudhary sir,

04:58one final question.

05:00What is the solution?

05:02Please tell us the solution.

05:04The solution is

05:06that

05:08you have to understand

05:10that it is not only

05:12done by rich people.

05:14Our finance minister

05:16has been briefed.

05:18He was given an example

05:20about milk.

05:22He said that only rich people

05:24drink cow's milk.

05:26So, he put a tax on it.

05:28So, he put a tax on it.

05:30So, it is not only done by rich people.

05:32It is not like that.

05:34In villages,

05:36in every house,

05:38in every house,

05:40in every village,

05:42there is solar in the city.

05:44It will not end in Pakistan.

05:46The problem is

05:48that when you give them

05:50the money,

05:52they will use the batteries.

05:54You have made grid lights

05:56very expensive.

05:58The money that you have to pay for the capacity payments, that money also goes to SARIF.

06:07All the expenses that I told you earlier, all of them go to SARIF.

06:11Until you don't finish the theft, you won't bring the circular debt to zero.

06:17The real answer to your question is rapid industrialization.

06:22You had to create 9 special economic zones under CPEC.

06:273 of them are near completion.

06:29You have to create 9 of them as soon as possible.

06:31And the industry is ready to shift from China.

06:33Give it infrastructure, electricity, gas, water, roads.

06:38As soon as they are built, the industry will shift there.

06:41And China has the capacity to shift the industry overnight within a year.

06:49The electricity that will be spent there, the 45,000 that you have invested,

06:53will start being used.

06:55Your capacity payments will be over.

06:57Only then will you be able to return.

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