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"We must fight this war together and eliminate this threat," Bilal Azhar Kayani
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3/5/2025
"We must fight this war together and eliminate this threat," Bilal Azhar Kayani
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00:00
Mr. Bilal, I would like to hear your opinion on this.
00:03
The attack in Bannu, which was failed,
00:07
it is obvious that the security forces were successful,
00:10
but 13 innocent citizens were martyred,
00:12
32 were injured,
00:14
5 security personnel were martyred,
00:17
16 terrorists were killed.
00:20
One thing here is that in such numbers,
00:22
the terrorists did not reach there.
00:24
This means that their facilitators are still present,
00:28
who are facilitating them in some way,
00:31
on the basis of which they were able to reach there.
00:33
After that, it is obvious that our security forces had expertise,
00:36
because they failed the attack,
00:38
but still, what work is being done on this aspect,
00:41
and what is being done now?
00:44
Look, Mr. Satti, there are two things in this.
00:46
One, you saw that on the forum of the Apex Committee,
00:49
where the Prime Minister is also there,
00:51
the Army Chief is also there,
00:52
the CMs of all four provinces are also there,
00:55
there too, the war against terrorism is being raised,
00:59
and we are seeing again and again,
01:01
that the forces of Pakistan and the government of Pakistan,
01:04
are showing their full commitment,
01:06
and especially the forces of Pakistan,
01:08
that you are seeing,
01:09
that how this wave of terrorism has come,
01:12
in that, again and again,
01:14
they are winning against these terrorists,
01:17
when such occasions are coming,
01:19
and they are also being martyred,
01:21
but certainly,
01:22
we have to end this threat,
01:24
which has resurfaced,
01:26
we have to end it together,
01:28
as it was done in the era of Nawaz Sharif,
01:30
as a result of Radl-ul-Fasad and Zarb-e-Azb.
01:33
Now, I don't want to go into that debate,
01:35
that after that, how,
01:37
why, and because of which policies,
01:39
between 2018 and 2022,
01:41
in the era of the PTI government,
01:43
which policies opened the door for terrorism again.
01:47
But today, I think,
01:48
especially in KP,
01:49
which is the front line in this war,
01:51
against terrorism,
01:52
in that, where the forces of Pakistan,
01:54
and the loyal law enforcement agencies,
01:56
are playing their role,
01:57
I think the KP government,
01:59
and the law enforcement agencies there,
02:01
will have to make sure,
02:02
that this becomes their number one priority,
02:04
and such things don't become a priority,
02:06
which we have seen in the last 24-26 days.
02:08
Let's hope so,
02:09
that obviously everyone will have to take their own route.
02:11
I think everyone will have to fight this war together,
02:13
and only then will we end it,
02:15
with a united front.
02:16
Yes, Senator,
02:17
by the way, this is the need of the time,
02:19
because we have always fought,
02:20
whenever there has been an incident of terrorism,
02:22
or overall,
02:23
sometimes there are indicators,
02:25
as to how they are penetrating,
02:27
or flourishing again,
02:28
even on the other side of the border.
02:30
So, the kind of responsibilities you are talking about,
02:32
that the KP government should play its role,
02:34
and the law enforcement agencies there,
02:36
should play their role.
02:38
So, what are your thoughts?
02:39
Is there a lack of commitment from that side?
02:41
Yes, I will give you my own opinion,
02:44
because I have been a member of the
02:48
Kaima Committee,
02:50
and was the chairman of it.
02:52
So, who is better than you?
02:54
Although my field is law,
02:56
and after that I got into human rights,
02:58
but I also taught myself a lot about this,
03:00
on the job,
03:02
and also explained about this.
03:04
And apart from that,
03:06
our party's stance on this is also very clear.
03:08
I will shed light on both.
03:10
Okay.
03:11
The incident of Bannu,
03:12
and apart from that,
03:13
the other,
03:14
and especially regarding February,
03:16
this report came out,
03:18
that the civilian casualties,
03:20
or the martyrs,
03:22
were more than the security personnel,
03:24
and in comparison to January,
03:26
they were more than twice as many.
03:28
There were 20 civilian casualties in January,
03:31
and 55 in the month of February.
03:36
Okay.
03:37
When the situation in Pakistan is going on,
03:39
and the way,
03:40
first of all, I want to emphasize the difference,
03:43
which Mr. Kiani just mentioned,
03:45
the situation in Pakistan,
03:47
which has been going on for at least two decades,
03:50
if not more than that,
03:52
there are two ways to counter it,
03:54
and there are two prongs to it.
03:56
He mentioned one.
03:58
So, there are two prongs,
04:00
anti-insurgency,
04:02
one is the prong,
04:04
and the other is counter-terrorism.
04:06
Counter-terrorism.
04:07
In anti-insurgency,
04:08
the extremists,
04:09
the separatists,
04:10
those who are running movements,
04:12
those who are running militant movements,
04:14
in Balochistan,
04:15
or in Malaysia,
04:16
or anywhere,
04:17
against them,
04:18
you do kinetic operations,
04:20
that is anti-insurgency,
04:22
in which you give air cover,
04:24
use of force,
04:25
you do kinetic operations,
04:27
or IBOs,
04:29
whatever.
04:30
Okay.
04:31
In counter-terrorism,
04:33
the most important thing is
04:35
your intelligence gathering,
04:37
and your different civil and military agencies,
04:40
and their opposite coordination.
04:42
Okay.
04:43
There is no doubt in this,
04:46
that it is a commendable thing,
04:48
that the way the security personnel
04:50
have made it known,
04:51
and have been making it known,
04:53
and in the case of Bannu as well.
04:55
There was a NACTA institute here,
04:57
it was a directorate,
04:58
it was a very good building,
05:00
its role was to coordinate.
05:02
I am sorry,
05:03
I am interrupting you,
05:04
but let me say one more thing.
05:05
Everything that happened from 2018 to 2020,
05:08
this is completely wrong.
05:10
Let me tell you,
05:11
all the travel advisories
05:13
that were taken back to Pakistan,
05:15
the safest country to travel to Pakistan,
05:18
in terms of backpackers,
05:20
in terms of hikers,
05:21
in terms of tourism,
05:22
British Airways restarted its flights,
05:24
Virgin Atlantic restarted its flights,
05:27
this whole system,
05:28
The PIA was shut down,
05:29
that is a different thing.
05:30
That is a different thing.
05:31
But I am just saying,
05:32
one of the safest destinations,
05:34
was between 2018 and 2022,
05:36
in terms of tourism.
05:37
That is why this is wrong.
05:39
Syed Muhammad Ali,
05:40
I just want to know one thing from you,
05:43
our coordination,
05:44
of course,
05:45
Afwaj has its own role,
05:46
and it is playing its own role,
05:47
but in this,
05:48
coordination is the key.
05:50
If a threat comes,
05:51
it should be perceived,
05:52
and then everything should be forwarded.
05:54
This was a NACTA institute,
05:55
what is its role now,
05:56
to what extent is it effective,
05:58
as of now,
05:59
and what other improvements are there?
06:01
I just want an answer to this.
06:03
Yes, absolutely.
06:04
This is a very important
06:05
and pivotal role of NACTA,
06:07
and I will continue this
06:09
by agreeing with the Senator,
06:11
that I think,
06:12
in simple words,
06:14
a successful decision,
06:17
which is the Hikmat-e-Amli,
06:19
against terrorism,
06:20
to get rid of it,
06:21
there are three prongs of the Hikmat-e-Amli.
06:24
One is the embassy prong,
06:25
which has been restored,
06:26
today,
06:27
by the National Security Advisor,
06:29
of the United States,
06:30
and the Deputy Prime Minister of Pakistan,
06:32
for the non-formal exchange of views,
06:34
and to promote cooperation.
06:37
The second prong is its kinetics,
06:41
which is the role of our intelligence organizations,
06:44
our law enforcement agencies,
06:46
and the army of Pakistan.
06:49
But the third,
06:50
most important prong,
06:52
which addresses those causes,
06:54
on the basis of which terrorism
06:56
grows externally and internally,
06:58
that is a reality,
07:01
that it exists in a psychosocial domain.
07:04
And for that,
07:05
all the civil institutions,
07:07
whether it is the Federal Government,
07:09
or the Provincial Government,
07:10
their coordination is as important,
07:12
as our religious scholars,
07:14
our religious leaders,
07:16
our political parties,
07:18
our media,
07:20
that until we don't make it a national effort,
07:23
that we have to deal with terrorism,
07:25
it will only work on the individual level,
07:28
of the state or government,
07:30
which will not yield durable and enduring results.
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