EXPLAINER - What Trump’s Putin call means for Ukraine peace talks?

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16/2/2025

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00:00You don't have one of those in Russia.

00:19We have.

00:20You might have one.

00:21Well, thank you very much.

00:33It's an honor to have the president with us.

00:36So the fact that Trump called Putin first and not Zelensky means that Zelensky won't

00:41have had the opportunity to impress on Trump his key positions and views and perspectives

00:47on how any potential discussions of a ceasefire might unfold or unroll.

00:54And that's obviously significant, because essentially it means that Ukraine is being

00:58cut out of the discussion and Putin and Trump are speaking directly to each other without

01:04taking Ukraine's position into account.

01:06No, we had a great call and it lasted for a long time, over an hour.

01:13This morning, I also had with President Zelensky a very good call after that.

01:20And I think we're on the way to getting peace.

01:22I think President Putin wants peace and President Zelensky wants peace and I want peace.

01:29I just want to see people stop getting killed.

01:31I think we're on the way to getting peace and I think we're on the way to getting peace.

01:49This

02:16was only the first initial conversation.

02:21The fact that Trump seemingly gave everything away and Putin got everything he wanted is

02:27not a good sign for things to come.

02:30The other question, of course, is what does this actually look like?

02:34And that's where I think the distinction between a ceasefire and a peace deal is important,

02:40because a ceasefire means that Ukraine could hold on to its territorial integrity, whereas

02:45a peace deal along the current front lines would mean ceding significant amounts of territory

02:53to Russia.

02:55Trump did say that that's something that would have to be considered, except very much echoed

02:58those comments at the defence ministerial meeting.

03:15We're not seeing Europeans move quick enough in terms of coming up with ideas of how they

03:21can actually help secure Ukraine's future and actually putting things on the table that

03:27would appeal to Trump to, on the one hand, keep the US engaged in European security,

03:32because of course, the added dimension to all of this is nuclear.

03:37Russia is a nuclear armed state and Europe is dependent on the US for its nuclear security

03:42umbrella.

03:43So far, there hasn't been any talk of taking that off the table.

03:46So that's positive.

03:49But certainly quite a few European countries see continued US engagement in Europe as absolutely

03:54essential, in part because of that.

04:21But what we have seen develop over the past few months, and I think will only accelerate

04:25because of this, is very much a coalition of the willing in Europe of countries who

04:28are willing to take the lead on this and feel that their Europe's and their own national

04:35interests and national security is directly threatened by current developments and will

04:40therefore take a more active lead and role on this, the UK being one of them, but the

04:44Baltic states and the Nordic states very much as well.

05:21I mean, obviously, it makes the conversations that will take place at the Munich Security

05:40Conference all the more pressing and important.

05:44And I would see lots of those coalition of the willing negotiations and talks initiating

05:49at MSC over the weekend, because everyone will be there, as well as really lots of Europeans

05:55talking to their American counterparts who will still be there, trying to impress on

06:00them the urgency and importance of bringing Ukraine and other Europeans into the conversation.

06:09We want, like you, a sovereign and prosperous Ukraine.

06:15But we must start by recognizing that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic

06:22objective.

06:25Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering.

06:31A durable peace for Ukraine must include robust security guarantees to ensure that the war

06:36will not begin again.

06:39This must not be Minsk 3.0.

06:44That said, the United States does not believe that NATO membership for Ukraine is a realistic

06:52outcome of a negotiated settlement.

07:05Our understanding is that Zelensky is potentially open to having initial negotiations.

07:12Some of the lines are softening a little bit as well.

07:15But for Putin, that hasn't softened.

07:18And some of the things that he wants to get out of it, for example, removing troops or

07:22U.S. troops out of Eastern Europe, would really be significant not just for Ukraine, but for

07:27Europe as a whole.

07:42Whether Putin gets a favorable ceasefire or peace deal on his terms, or whether he just

08:03keeps grinding them down over time, I'm not sure he really minds that much.

08:09Unless, of course, something significant changes in Russia itself.

08:14But at the moment, there aren't really clear indications that that would happen over the

08:16short term, at least.

08:39I couldn't imagine that they might feel sold out by the U.S., and that's why the past 24

09:02hours have really been quite depressing for Ukrainian partners.

09:08But that's why, again, the European role and what really thinking through what else

09:13the European allies can do to support that is so, so important.

09:38FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROVSKY

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