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Full Elizabeth Warren x Robert F. Kennedy Jr. exchange
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29/1/2025
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You've said that President Trump asked you to, quote,
00:03
clean up corruption and conflicts.
00:06
Sounds great.
00:07
You've said that you will, quote,
00:09
slam shut the revolving door between government agencies
00:14
and the companies they regulate.
00:16
That also sounds great.
00:18
So here's an easy question.
00:20
Will you commit that when you leave this job,
00:22
you will not accept compensation from a drug company,
00:25
a medical device company, a hospital system,
00:29
or a health insurer for at least four years,
00:32
including as a lobbyist or a board member?
00:35
Can you just repeat the last part of the question?
00:38
Can I commit to that?
00:38
You're not gonna take money from drug companies
00:40
in any way, shape, or form.
00:41
Who, me?
00:43
Yes, you.
00:44
Oh, I'm happy to commit to that.
00:48
That's what I figured.
00:49
I said it's an easy question to start with.
00:52
And I think you're right on this question.
00:54
I don't think any of them wanna give me money, by the way.
00:57
Let's keep going.
00:59
You're right because, to say yes,
01:02
because every American has the right to know
01:04
that every decision you make
01:06
as our number one health officer is to help them
01:10
and not to make money for yourself in the future.
01:14
So I wanna talk more about money.
01:16
I'm looking at your paperwork right now.
01:19
In the past two years,
01:20
you've raked in two and a half million dollars
01:23
from a law firm called Wisner Baum.
01:26
You go online, you do commercials to encourage people
01:29
to sign up with Wisner Baum
01:32
to join lawsuits against vaccine makers.
01:35
And for everyone who signs up, you personally get paid.
01:39
And if they win their case, you get 10% of what they win.
01:44
So if you bring in somebody who gets $10 million,
01:48
you walk away with a million dollars.
01:51
Now, you just said that you want the American people
01:53
to know you can't be bought,
01:55
your decisions won't depend on how much money
01:58
you could make in the future,
01:59
you won't go to work for a drug company
02:01
after you leave HHS,
02:04
but you and I both know there's another way to make money.
02:07
So, Mr. Kennedy, will you also agree
02:11
that you won't take any compensation
02:13
from any lawsuits against drug companies
02:17
while you are secretary and for four years afterwards?
02:23
Well, I'll certainly commit to that while I'm secretary,
02:28
but I do want to clarify something
02:30
because you're making me sound like a shill.
02:34
I put together that case.
02:37
I did the Science Day presentation
02:40
to the judge on that case to get it into court.
02:43
Mr. Kennedy, it's just a really simple question.
02:47
You've taken in two and a half million dollars.
02:50
I want to know if you will commit right now
02:52
that not only will you not go to work for drug companies,
02:55
you won't go to work suing the drug companies
02:58
and taking your rake out of that
03:01
while you're a secretary and for four years after.
03:04
It's just-
03:05
I'll commit to not taking any fees from drug companies
03:08
while I'm secretary.
03:11
I'm asking about fees from suing drug companies.
03:15
Will you agree not to do that?
03:17
You're asking me to not sue drug companies
03:20
and I'm not going to agree to that.
03:21
No, you can sue drug companies as much as you want.
03:25
I'm not going to agree to not sue drug companies or anybody.
03:29
So let's do a quick count here
03:32
of how as secretary of HHS, if you get confirmed,
03:36
you could influence every one of those lawsuits.
03:40
Well, let me start the list.
03:42
You can publish your anti-vaccine conspiracies,
03:45
but this time on US government letterheads,
03:48
something a jury might be impressed by.
03:51
You could appoint people to the CDC vaccine panel
03:54
who share your anti-vax views
03:56
and let them do your dirty work.
03:58
You could tell the CDC vaccine panel
04:01
to remove a particular vaccine from the vaccine schedule.
04:05
You could remove vaccines
04:06
from special compensation programs,
04:09
which would open up manufacturers to mass torts.
04:12
You could make more injuries eligible for compensation,
04:15
even if there is no causal evidence.
04:18
You could change vaccine court processes
04:20
to make it easier to bring junk lawsuits.
04:23
You could turn over FDA data
04:25
to your friends at the law firm
04:27
and they could use it however it benefited them.
04:29
You could change vaccine labeling.
04:31
You could change vaccine information rules.
04:34
You can change which claims are compensated
04:37
in the vaccine injury compensation program.
04:41
There's a lot of ways that you can influence
04:44
those future lawsuits and pending lawsuits
04:48
while you are secretary of HHS.
04:50
And I'm asking you to commit right now
04:53
that you will not take a financial stake
04:57
in every one of those lawsuits
04:59
so that what you do as secretary
05:01
will also benefit you financially down the line.
05:05
I'll comply with all the ethical guidelines.
05:08
That's not the question.
05:09
You and I, you have said repeatedly.
05:12
Senator, you're asking me not to sue vaccine companies.
05:15
No, I am not.
05:17
My country is stuck in war.
05:19
That's exactly what you're doing.
05:21
Look, no one should be fooled here.
05:24
As secretary of HHS, Robert Kennedy will have the power
05:29
to undercut vaccines and vaccine manufacturing
05:33
across our country.
05:34
And for all of his talk about follow the science
05:38
and his promise that he won't interfere
05:40
with those of us who want to vaccinate his kids,
05:43
the bottom line is the same.
05:46
Kennedy can kill off access to vaccines
05:49
and make millions of dollars while he does it.
05:52
Kids might die, but Robert Kennedy can keep cashing in.
05:57
Senator, I support vaccines.
06:01
I support the childhood schedule.
06:04
I will do that.
06:06
The only thing I want is good science, and that's it.
06:09
How about then say you won't make money
06:11
off what you do as secretary of HHS?
06:14
Before we go to Senator Tillis,
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I think it would be important for me to make it very clear
06:20
that Mr. Kennedy has gone through the same
06:22
Office of Government Ethics process
06:25
as every single other nominee in the Finance Committee
06:29
this year and in previous administrations.
06:32
In addition to listing his assets,
06:34
including items that you've identified,
06:37
he has signed an ethics letter that has been reviewed
06:39
by the Office of Government Ethics
06:41
concerning any possible conflict
06:44
in light of its functions and the nominee's proposed duties,
06:48
and we have a letter from the Office of Government Ethics
06:51
that he hasn't complied completely
06:53
with all applicable laws and regulations
06:57
governing conflicts of interest.
06:59
Mr. Chairman, point of information here.
07:03
Have we had a single nominee come through
07:07
who's made two and a half million dollars
07:09
off suing one of the entities that it would be regulating
07:13
and plans to keep getting a take
07:17
of every lawsuit in the future?
07:18
Have we had that before?
07:20
I haven't reviewed the past documentation
07:22
of every other nominee's financial interests, and so no.
07:26
But I know that every single time we get a nominee,
07:28
their financial interests are attacked.
07:31
That's why we have the Office of Government Ethics.
07:34
That's why they've reviewed everything
07:35
that's in his record, and that's why he has even,
07:40
I think, and I don't know that I wanna ask him
07:42
to get into it, but he has listed his assets
07:45
and has gone through a discussion of the responsibilities
07:49
under our ethics laws and has complied
07:53
with all of those requirements.
07:56
Senator Tillis.
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