Jayson Tatum led the way with 24 points as the Boston Celtics rallied to a 117-113 overtime victory against the Los Angeles Clippers on Wednesday night. Jaden Springer had a standout performance, adding 8 points, 4 steals, 2 rebounds, and a clutch three-pointer in OT.
Join The Garden Report's John Zannis, Bobby Manning, and Noa Dalzell as they break down all the key moments and takeaways from the Celtics' thrilling win over the Clippers.
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0:00 - Intro
2:01 - Jaden Springer's impact
29:32 - Late game decisions
31:11 - Missed timeout call
39:45 - Bigs guarding three-point line
44:00 - Tired of best shot narrative
50:04 - Rotation concerns
52:01 - Media scrutiny
54:10 - Struggling this year
1:00:00 - Playmaker discussion
1:02:40 - Consistency is key
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Join The Garden Report's John Zannis, Bobby Manning, and Noa Dalzell as they break down all the key moments and takeaways from the Celtics' thrilling win over the Clippers.
Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more Celtics coverage!
0:00 - Intro
2:01 - Jaden Springer's impact
29:32 - Late game decisions
31:11 - Missed timeout call
39:45 - Bigs guarding three-point line
44:00 - Tired of best shot narrative
50:04 - Rotation concerns
52:01 - Media scrutiny
54:10 - Struggling this year
1:00:00 - Playmaker discussion
1:02:40 - Consistency is key
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00:00:23What's going on, guys?
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00:00:36We'd like to say thanks to Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum
00:00:40for taking extra long to talk to the media.
00:00:44And that, of course, includes Noah Dalzell
00:00:47and the real Bobby Manning, who are out in Los Angeles
00:00:50and witnessed the Celtics' escape with a 117-113
00:00:54overtime win over a heavily, heavily,
00:00:59heavily depleted Los Angeles Clippers team.
00:01:02And a lot of good?
00:01:05No, some good, a good bit of bad,
00:01:08and Noah gets to take a victory lap
00:01:11over her boy, Jaden Springer.
00:01:13So it's going to be the Jaden Springer Show
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00:01:59Guys, let's get into the game.
00:02:00You know, we can get right into Jaden Springer
00:02:02if that's what you like the best,
00:02:03because that really turned the tide of the game.
00:02:05It's a weird one, right?
00:02:06The Clippers are sitting four starters,
00:02:08the Celtics are sitting three
00:02:10of their top six rotation players.
00:02:12So you basically got four of the top 11 players
00:02:15on the two teams playing tonight,
00:02:18which was just a weird game to begin with.
00:02:20And it just had trap written all over it, right?
00:02:23Like, oh boy, here they go.
00:02:25Play down to the level of the competition.
00:02:27They come out smoking.
00:02:28Offense looks good.
00:02:30Ball movement is good.
00:02:31Sam Hauser's hitting threes.
00:02:33Baylor, freaking Shireman's getting first quarter minutes.
00:02:36You know, crazy things happening.
00:02:39Jalen Brown, after not complaining,
00:02:42gets his first quarter minutes again,
00:02:44so he can set the tone.
00:02:46And things looked okay, and then it kind of fell off.
00:02:49And they were stuck in a weird rut for a couple of quarters,
00:02:52and then enter Jaden Springer,
00:02:55who completely turned the tide of the game,
00:02:57which is something I don't think any of us
00:02:58had on our bingo card.
00:03:04No, I don't think we ever had your mic.
00:03:08Sorry, I thought you were on mute before.
00:03:10Yeah, go ahead, Bobby.
00:03:11No, I'll let you take that out.
00:03:12It's kind of crazy, because that was,
00:03:14that Springer substitution, John,
00:03:16was the real divergent point in this game.
00:03:19Those Clippers were falling around 60% shooting
00:03:22for a lot of the game,
00:03:23and then they went like seven for 20-something
00:03:27the rest of the way.
00:03:28I got the number here exactly.
00:03:31Five for, what are we talking about here?
00:03:36It's something ridiculous.
00:03:37They forced nine turnovers.
00:03:39It was like five for 21 shooting after that point,
00:03:41until a couple baskets that tied it off turnovers.
00:03:45And he's just playing with this confidence,
00:03:49and he missed a couple of shots right away,
00:03:52but he just shocked me, John,
00:03:56because we've seen so many times him come into games
00:03:59and just look like he doesn't belong.
00:04:01And then he comes into this game,
00:04:02and he's basically getting a steal on every possession.
00:04:04He's coming down hitting shots the other way.
00:04:07I couldn't believe it.
00:04:08And the way it swung the game was even more stunning.
00:04:12And I know you're going against some bench guys
00:04:15on the other side,
00:04:16and guys are probably a little more vulnerable
00:04:17to give him the ball up like that.
00:04:19But I tweeted it, and I truly believe it.
00:04:22This game changed his career,
00:04:25because he's probably out of here in one way or another,
00:04:27and who knows where he ends up and if they even use him.
00:04:33Four minutes and 32 seconds in.
00:04:34Now you look at this performance, John.
00:04:35Bobby took something that was, he made it ridiculous.
00:04:40Can you guys hear me now?
00:04:42No, it's real, because-
00:04:43I don't know if he changed his career, but-
00:04:47Don't you look, John, longer at keeping him now,
00:04:49because you're probably doing everything you can
00:04:51to get him out the door- No, no, no.
00:04:52And throw those thoughts before this.
00:04:54No small sample sizes.
00:04:55I don't, let's not spoil this.
00:04:57Let's enjoy it for what it is, okay?
00:04:59It's one night.
00:04:59We don't know what's going to happen beyond this,
00:05:02but it was important.
00:05:04And Joe, like, I'll let Noah take it from here.
00:05:09Joe made a great adjustment in this game,
00:05:12rolling the dice on a guy that he hasn't really used at all
00:05:17because I think he recognized that,
00:05:19and he said it after the game,
00:05:20they were getting too comfortable.
00:05:22And you can see that.
00:05:23And I think the point of attack defense wasn't great,
00:05:25certainly to start the night.
00:05:26I don't think it's been great all year from this team.
00:05:28I think they are letting people get too comfortable
00:05:30and get into their sets and do what they want to do.
00:05:32And Springer erased that almost immediately
00:05:36by just getting up and people's, you know, causing steals.
00:05:39He had three in a really short span of time.
00:05:42So he really did flip the game and that energy
00:05:44kind of kept through the entire fourth quarter,
00:05:47which he played.
00:05:47I'm not sure exactly how much,
00:05:48but I think he played like nine minutes
00:05:49in the fourth quarter.
00:05:50But Noah's been dying to get a word in
00:05:54on the Jaden Springer conversation.
00:05:56So go.
00:05:58I have been dying because I think this is honestly
00:06:00what makes the NBA great.
00:06:02I know a lot of people are like,
00:06:03why would you care about a random January game
00:06:05with a team that's missing all the key players?
00:06:08And this is what makes it awesome
00:06:09because a guy like Jaden Springer
00:06:10has not played in pretty much since he got to Boston.
00:06:13He has not really played meaningful minutes.
00:06:15He's got a couple of very limited opportunities.
00:06:17And we see him work every single game, every single day,
00:06:20practicing his three pointers,
00:06:22doing the drills with their development.
00:06:23And you don't know if you're ever going to get a chance
00:06:25to show it on this team.
00:06:26And I didn't think it was going to be tonight.
00:06:28He sure as hell couldn't have known
00:06:29it was going to be tonight
00:06:30because nothing about tonight's situation was that unique
00:06:33considering there's been other games.
00:06:34And Joe never tells anybody.
00:06:36Right, and that's part of the whole thing, right?
00:06:37He doesn't, he's not going to know.
00:06:38It's not going to be predetermined,
00:06:41but he comes into the game in that second half.
00:06:42And I don't know that I've ever seen somebody
00:06:46impact the game defensively so overtly,
00:06:49like four steals in that second half.
00:06:51A couple other steals or plays that aren't going to show up
00:06:54as steals in the box before,
00:06:55but he forced an out of balance play, a turnover, a travel.
00:06:58So it's like, it's just awesome to see.
00:07:00And I know a lot of things went wrong in this game.
00:07:03And I do think that playing teams
00:07:04that are missing their entire rotation
00:07:06is uniquely challenging in the NBA.
00:07:08It's like, I knew, we were joking about it before the game.
00:07:11We knew this game was going to go terribly for the Celtics
00:07:12as soon as we saw the injury report.
00:07:13But the fact that somebody like him
00:07:15is going to be able to impact the game,
00:07:16I really do think that he has a future in the NBA.
00:07:18I know he has his limitations,
00:07:19but we saw him in Summer League.
00:07:21We've seen him, he was the final MVP in the G League,
00:07:23so he can score at lower levels.
00:07:24The question is, how does it translate?
00:07:25But clearly he has a gift and that gift is worth,
00:07:29worth giving him a chance.
00:07:30That's why he keeps getting chances in the NBA.
00:07:31And I hope that this translates
00:07:32into something a little bit more substantial for him,
00:07:34whether it's here or elsewhere,
00:07:36because it's really inspiring to watch.
00:07:37You don't see a lot of guys that have that skillset.
00:07:40That's my point, John.
00:07:41Not that he's going to become a staple here,
00:07:44but you probably keep him now, that you saw something.
00:07:47And if he goes elsewhere after this,
00:07:48he's probably just salary dumped.
00:07:50They probably don't use him either.
00:07:51And who knows, he's out of the league
00:07:53at that point, possibly.
00:07:55You saw that you can use him for something here, John.
00:07:58That's all I'm saying, it's not very,
00:08:00it's not something, I'm not saying
00:08:02he's about to become their sixth man.
00:08:03I'm saying he's probably going to stay here
00:08:05because he can do something for you.
00:08:06I know, you're going to make me say negative things
00:08:09and I don't want to.
00:08:10What I'm saying is, I think Joe Mizzoula knows full well
00:08:14that Jaden Springer can do this.
00:08:16It's just whatever other limitations he has
00:08:19or his inability really to score at this level
00:08:23or to be any factor at all on offense,
00:08:26limits how much you can play him in a game.
00:08:28If you've got your full lineup in here,
00:08:30you're still probably not using him
00:08:33because you'll just play Holiday and White
00:08:36and just ask him to amp it up a little.
00:08:39I'm not going to be the minutes there,
00:08:40especially with Pritchard playing as much
00:08:42as he's playing in that backcourt.
00:08:43But tonight, it was a, what else are we going to do?
00:08:47We got to try something.
00:08:48So you really needed to be down several guys
00:08:52to get that deep down the bench,
00:08:53to give him an opportunity and he made the most of it.
00:08:56In terms of whether he can translate
00:08:58to anything else down the road, I don't know.
00:09:00But it's a nice tool to have in the shed
00:09:02if you say like, all right, I just need somebody
00:09:04to go in there, mix it up and give me
00:09:05a little defensive energy.
00:09:06Maybe he can get a spurt or two later on.
00:09:10I just don't know that it can translate
00:09:12to anything beyond tonight.
00:09:14And I wouldn't necessarily get our hopes up.
00:09:16But perhaps somebody else sees this
00:09:19and we know how this went,
00:09:21and the chat's already on this right now,
00:09:24is Springer was supposedly the guy
00:09:27you were thinking about moving.
00:09:28Does this open the eyes, does the one performance
00:09:31open some people's eyes and maybe make him
00:09:33more tradable or something?
00:09:35Possibly.
00:09:35Brown pumping the brakes.
00:09:37I don't think this is fooling anyone
00:09:39into him being anything from-
00:09:40Well, then I don't think it's gonna fool Joe Mazzuolo
00:09:42who sees him every day.
00:09:43That's all I'm saying is I think they know
00:09:45what they have in him.
00:09:45Again, I think he turned from a guy
00:09:48that you're trying like hell to get rid of
00:09:50as the reporting went before the season,
00:09:52to a guy that you're like, all right, he's 22.
00:09:55Let's keep him around.
00:09:56You probably keep him on the minimum after this year.
00:09:58I don't think that's it, Bobby.
00:10:00I think you've got two guards who are elite
00:10:04defensively already.
00:10:05So Springer doesn't have much of a role here,
00:10:08especially when your third guard coming in off the bench
00:10:11is an offensive minded player where you needed help
00:10:14was potentially at the wing spot.
00:10:16So it wasn't that they were trying like hell
00:10:17to get off of Springer.
00:10:19I think when Brad brought him in here,
00:10:20he liked a lot of the stuff that he could potentially bring.
00:10:23And he was young and he was raw
00:10:26and he hadn't really gotten a chance.
00:10:28So he showed some of it tonight, but I'll ask you Noah,
00:10:30like, can this translate to more?
00:10:33On a fully healthy Celtics team,
00:10:35is there a role for him going forward?
00:10:38Yeah, I mean, I just want to say like,
00:10:40I understand that obviously we haven't seen him play all year
00:10:42and there's reasons for that,
00:10:43but nothing, he could have gone for 30 tonight
00:10:45and it shouldn't make us think,
00:10:46oh my God, this is the next great thing
00:10:47because it's just one game, right?
00:10:48I always want to keep everything in perspective.
00:10:50That being said, for what it was,
00:10:53and I know we know that he has a defensive skillset.
00:10:55That's what he's known for.
00:10:56It's why he's in the NBA.
00:10:58It was more impressive than I would have even expected
00:11:01because it's one thing to be known as a ball hawk.
00:11:03It's another thing to come into a game
00:11:05where the defense has been pretty abysmal
00:11:06and to force six turnovers in eight minutes.
00:11:09That's pretty insane.
00:11:10Like, it's really like,
00:11:11it's like we watched a guy hit 10 threes or more.
00:11:14Like, I know everybody's just saying like,
00:11:15oh, you had eight points, whatever.
00:11:17It wasn't about that.
00:11:17It's really rare to actually be able to take a guy
00:11:20who has the hot hand and completely force him out of it.
00:11:23He talked about a post game about how
00:11:25all of a sudden they weren't calling plagues
00:11:26for Kevin Porter Jr., right?
00:11:27So I'll keep it as what it is.
00:11:29It was a masterful defensive performance,
00:11:32but should we get the same credits
00:11:33if a guy had gone off, come off the bench
00:11:33and score 40 tonight?
00:11:34Seriously, I really do think
00:11:35that it's the same level of impressive.
00:11:37It's still just one game, but I'd love to see him.
00:11:39Sure, why not?
00:11:40We're going to value deep.
00:11:41I mean, forcing that many...
00:11:44Yes.
00:11:46Yeah, I was running a lot of victory.
00:11:47I was name searching David Springer
00:11:49on my Twitter hard tonight.
00:11:50My point though, is I would love to see him
00:11:52get multiple opportunities against guys
00:11:54that are actually getting real substantial minutes
00:11:56in the NBA because right before he got to Boston,
00:11:59he had had a game where he shut down Luca
00:12:01and he had a great game against Steph Curry.
00:12:03And those were the few games that preceded the trade
00:12:05from Philadelphia and everybody was super excited about him.
00:12:08So I want to see him get more of an opportunity
00:12:10just because he's been sitting there,
00:12:12he's been working hard and why not?
00:12:13You can afford to give him a chance.
00:12:15And tonight they gave him a chance and it paid off.
00:12:16And I think that if you gave him multiple chances,
00:12:18you might be surprised.
00:12:20Well, I'm all for it.
00:12:22I have no agenda.
00:12:25Anything that helps or anything that works is great.
00:12:27And I don't think anybody should feel secure in their role
00:12:29as we've already seen, whether it be, you know,
00:12:32Holiday being sat down the stretch for Peyton Pritchard
00:12:36because that's the hotter and they liked
00:12:38what they saw from him later.
00:12:39Or if they don't like the defense
00:12:42that they're getting from these guys
00:12:43and they're trying to protect the lead and they say,
00:12:45you go, you know, get out there and do your thing.
00:12:48I'm fine with that.
00:12:50Again, we've talked about bench roles before Bobby
00:12:55and like what they do.
00:12:56You and I quibble about this over this all the time
00:13:00where everybody can't be a complete player.
00:13:03If they were, they'd be making $30 million a year
00:13:06and starting somewhere.
00:13:08So if you're going to have somebody,
00:13:10I like them to be specialists in some way.
00:13:12Either you have somebody who comes in
00:13:14who's a dead eye shooter or instant offense,
00:13:17or in this case, a lockdown defensive specialist.
00:13:20That's good.
00:13:22I'd rather somebody with one elite skillset
00:13:24who's pretty average to below average at everything else
00:13:28than somebody who's just meh at everything.
00:13:31And that's a cool thing that Springer brings to the table,
00:13:33which is great.
00:13:34Another cool thing was how happy everybody was for him.
00:13:37You have the show of Luke Cornett tackling him,
00:13:40the post-game interview guys coming by.
00:13:42So there were some good vibes here,
00:13:44which the Celtics need because-
00:13:46Everyone's really excited for him.
00:13:48Everyone's really excited.
00:13:49And even the wins that they've had
00:13:51have felt like slogs recently.
00:13:53Last game, notwithstanding.
00:13:54But what happened, Noah?
00:13:56Are you all right?
00:13:57Yeah, just the light turned off in here.
00:13:59Let me see if I can.
00:14:00Okay.
00:14:01While Noah's figuring out our light situation,
00:14:03we will hear from Jaden Springer here.
00:14:05To hit that three-pointer in overtime
00:14:07and just in general, to be trusted to take those threes.
00:14:10You know, it was big, man.
00:14:11Shout out to JT.
00:14:12He sold me the rock in that corner, man.
00:14:14Knocked it down.
00:14:16What did Harden say to you, Noah?
00:14:18It looked like Harden said something to you on that feed.
00:14:19What did he say?
00:14:20He didn't be talking.
00:14:21That's my dog, man.
00:14:22He ain't just talking.
00:14:25Did it feel that much sweeter to hit it in front of him?
00:14:27For sure.
00:14:29What's this process been like for you?
00:14:31Like, obviously, you're not getting opportunities
00:14:32for most of this year that you'd like,
00:14:34but just kind of staying prepared
00:14:36and knowing a net like this can pop up at any time, really.
00:14:40I mean, you know, I feel like we train for this every day.
00:14:43We got good staff.
00:14:45We working out everyday game situations.
00:14:47So I feel like we do as best as we can
00:14:49to prepare us for moments like this and staying ready.
00:14:52So that's what we focus on pretty much every day.
00:14:54What's it like to start to see your hard work pay off?
00:14:56It feels great, you know?
00:14:58Like you said, we here everyday working.
00:15:01So to be able to see the benefits of the work you put in,
00:15:04it's a great feeling, especially with all my teammates,
00:15:07my guys cheering me on, you know?
00:15:09It's amazing.
00:15:11Look, he's on point.
00:15:14He's on message.
00:15:15I'm just there staying ready.
00:15:17He's got the memo, you know?
00:15:19And that's how you answer the questions.
00:15:22The next game, we'll go right back to staying ready.
00:15:26And that's how it goes a lot of the time.
00:15:27So again, I'm not making it anything extraordinary.
00:15:31You kind of are.
00:15:32I'm not saying he's gonna, no.
00:15:34I'm saying he should stay on the team.
00:15:37Is that too bold?
00:15:39If you-
00:15:40Why can't it be extraordinary,
00:15:41but also we don't know what it means, you know?
00:15:43It can still be extraordinary.
00:15:44If you didn't feel that way four hours ago,
00:15:46I don't think you should feel that way now.
00:15:47That's all I'm saying.
00:15:49It could be, there could be even more in store.
00:15:52There could be nothing in store.
00:15:53I just don't think you can call it.
00:15:55Like off of the one, as Noah said, he could drop 40.
00:15:58All he did was come in and play defense,
00:15:59which we know he can do.
00:16:01The thing is, the game needed it.
00:16:03He didn't do anything we didn't think he could do.
00:16:06The game needed what he brings today, tonight.
00:16:09What he didn't do.
00:16:10And he brought it, which was great.
00:16:11He was given an opportunity to go out there
00:16:13and do exactly what he's supposed to do,
00:16:16which is play your ass off on defense
00:16:19and bother the hell out of the ball carriers
00:16:21and get in people's faces and make life difficult,
00:16:23which we know he can do.
00:16:25There just hasn't been enough opportunity for him.
00:16:27And I don't know that there necessarily will be.
00:16:30No, there won't be a ton.
00:16:31But again, there doesn't need to be opportunity
00:16:33to keep him on the team.
00:16:34You keep him there as a specialist.
00:16:36You keep him as a low contract into the future,
00:16:39which you'll be able to retain him on in the free agency.
00:16:41What he didn't do here that the chat thinks he did
00:16:44is fool anyone into giving up a huge package for him
00:16:48at the deadline.
00:16:49If you're trading him,
00:16:50you are either moving him into a team
00:16:53and there's only one team with salary cap space
00:16:55to take his contract on
00:16:57and just use those expiring money at the deadline,
00:17:00or you're sending picks with him to get off the money.
00:17:03So you're not moving him for anything here.
00:17:06And if you remember, when they got him from Philly,
00:17:08all they did was just take him on.
00:17:10Philly wanted to get rid of the money
00:17:12and the Celtics just took him on.
00:17:14And there might've been some picks changing hands there
00:17:18that didn't really mean much,
00:17:18but you're not getting anything for him.
00:17:20So you might as well keep him
00:17:22because I don't think they need two roster spots
00:17:24at the deadline here.
00:17:25And honestly, the more I think about it, John,
00:17:28they don't need a ton.
00:17:29I think they have what they need.
00:17:31You're okay now?
00:17:32You feel okay?
00:17:33You feel okay about this deal?
00:17:34I felt like they needed a wing,
00:17:36but again, is he going to play?
00:17:39Is that wing going to play?
00:17:40Is he even going to have a role?
00:17:41Because again, you think back to Tillman last year
00:17:43and it was like, oh, here's a guy that can play for you.
00:17:44And it really didn't end up being the case.
00:17:46So again, they should be looking.
00:17:50If there's a guy out there that they can get
00:17:52that doesn't cost much of anything,
00:17:54you have a roster spot, you might as well fill it.
00:17:57But I don't think they need a ton here.
00:18:02You know, I don't know whether they need a ton.
00:18:05I just think everybody on their current team
00:18:07needs to play better.
00:18:09That's the key to success.
00:18:11Not what you bring in here.
00:18:14Yeah, not what you bring in here.
00:18:16So there's more about this game we want to talk about.
00:18:18There's also the ongoing issue of Jalen Brown
00:18:22and what's going on in his mind
00:18:23and what's going on with his body.
00:18:25He was a little banged up after the game
00:18:26and now talking about multiple rolls of his ankles
00:18:29and getting treatment and lots of different things here,
00:18:32which isn't great, but we'll get into Jalen a little bit
00:18:36because I think he continues to have a story
00:18:39on this team right now.
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00:20:38Jaden Daniels, I really, really, really want to see Jaden
00:20:41in the Superbowl instead of Philly.
00:20:43I think that's boring as hell.
00:20:47I think all of America wants to see Redskins.
00:20:51I like the Commanders, I do.
00:20:54Redskins, I said Redskins.
00:20:55Jeez, I just gotta get it out of my head.
00:20:57Commanders, I think the Commanders and the Bills
00:20:59are the clear favorites nationwide.
00:21:02So hopefully they get it done.
00:21:03I miss Washington football team.
00:21:06That was the best.
00:21:07I do not want to see Chiefs.
00:21:08I do not want to see the Chiefs and the Eagles.
00:21:12That's boring.
00:21:13Anyway, other thoughts on today's game?
00:21:16Among them-
00:21:17What the hell are they doing in crunch time?
00:21:20We're going to get to crunch time as well.
00:21:22I will say, we're going to give a little hat tip to Nimi.
00:21:30And Bobby put this out here,
00:21:33but he had a good game today.
00:21:36What's interesting is,
00:21:38one of the more interesting stats of the night
00:21:40is Luke Cornette finished a team high,
00:21:43plus 18 in 30 minutes.
00:21:45Keita, who seemed to be more impressive
00:21:47in terms of what he was doing, was a minus 11.
00:21:50He was outstanding.
00:21:51He had a clutch, clutch bucket late
00:21:54when the Celtics were trying to blow another lead
00:21:56in overtime.
00:21:57And he had, you know what he showed?
00:21:59He displayed really, really, really good hands down low
00:22:04in his catches and his ability to turn around
00:22:05to get shots off quickly with touch around the basket.
00:22:08And that lefty finish there in overtime was huge.
00:22:12But he was pretty impactful.
00:22:14I mean, you have to say, I mean, again,
00:22:16you're going to look at the counting stats
00:22:18and you're going to see Brown and Tatum
00:22:21and even Derek White all in the 20s
00:22:23and leading them and looking like,
00:22:24well, the three starters are the ones who led them.
00:22:26And that's not the case.
00:22:27The bench is what saved their asses tonight.
00:22:29And you know, while Springer gets the gold star,
00:22:31I don't think Cato's too far behind.
00:22:36Yeah, he turned it around later.
00:22:38I feel like early wasn't the best minutes,
00:22:41but they needed someone to do something tonight.
00:22:43And he gave them that.
00:22:44I don't think either of the centers played amazing
00:22:46in this game, especially going against a team
00:22:49that started Mo Bamba and then went away from centers
00:22:52for much of this game.
00:22:53And defensively, I don't know if it was the centers,
00:22:57but they were getting cooked for, again,
00:22:59almost the entire game up until the Springer minutes
00:23:02started there late in the third.
00:23:03So-
00:23:04I think it was the perimeter, D.
00:23:06I think they were just letting people get in there.
00:23:09Them getting cooked is the reason Springer played
00:23:12because they couldn't keep those guys out of the paint.
00:23:15The point of attack defense was terrible all night.
00:23:17It was, yeah.
00:23:19Yeah, I was going to say,
00:23:20I think that said out to me with this one is just,
00:23:21you know, we've been worried about Sam, Sam Hauser,
00:23:24and, you know, he had some rhythm last game,
00:23:26finished with 11 points, hit three threes,
00:23:28which was more than he said in a while,
00:23:29and just carried that right in over into tonight,
00:23:32hit his first three, it was four or five at one point.
00:23:34I don't remember what he finished with.
00:23:36Five of seven, I believe.
00:23:37Finished five of seven, yeah.
00:23:38So that's great to just see, you know,
00:23:41he's so important to what they're going to do.
00:23:42He's had some opportunities this year
00:23:44where he just hasn't been able to find a good rhythm.
00:23:46I'm a big believer that the more chance that he gets,
00:23:49the better the ball movement is.
00:23:51I asked him about that at shoot around today,
00:23:52and he said, it's not just me,
00:23:53but like it is when there are better ball movement,
00:23:56like it showcases what all of us can do,
00:23:57almost like when the ball's not moving,
00:23:59he almost looks like the bench is not good,
00:24:00and then when the ball is moving, you can kind of see that,
00:24:02but that was just one little thing.
00:24:04I think he needs to get into a good group here,
00:24:07and if he can find that now for the next couple of weeks,
00:24:09that really helps this team.
00:24:10So small, small thing.
00:24:12It was mostly in the beginning of the game,
00:24:13but it really was good to see.
00:24:16And they were very-
00:24:17Yeah, they got to get that bench going again,
00:24:19and obviously Hauser and Pritchard,
00:24:22the big parts of that, and Pritchard,
00:24:23it's kind of crazy how much it's declined
00:24:26from like 20 points every night
00:24:28that he was going on there for about a month now.
00:24:31Hauser seems to be gaining momentum a little bit there,
00:24:34but my point on Cato was,
00:24:36he was giving you great stuff for a while there,
00:24:39when Kristaps was out and in and out of the lineup
00:24:42a little bit, and he just had this steady, consistent-
00:24:44No, I know what you're saying.
00:24:45Joe put him on the shelf weirdly for a long period of time,
00:24:50and did take him out of his rhythm,
00:24:51because he did give you a boost in those,
00:24:55during that stint where he was consistently getting minutes,
00:24:57and then they completely went away.
00:24:59I don't know what happened there.
00:25:00Yeah, I don't know what happened.
00:25:01In that Minnesota game, he took over,
00:25:04and was just everywhere, and was a key to that win
00:25:06on the road at the beginning of this month.
00:25:08And then I think he played against Houston
00:25:09the next night too, and did some stuff.
00:25:11And then we just didn't see him again,
00:25:13up until a couple games ago.
00:25:15So you got to find ways to keep him involved,
00:25:19get him involved.
00:25:20And again, as big of a Luke guy as I am,
00:25:23I still think that there's some upside there
00:25:24with Cato that you can invest in,
00:25:26and continue to pump up and grow.
00:25:28And I agree with some of the people in the chat there.
00:25:31When he gets out on the perimeter,
00:25:32and switches onto some of these guys,
00:25:34it's amazing what he does,
00:25:35considering what position he plays,
00:25:38and the guys he's going up against.
00:25:40He just stays in front of them,
00:25:42usually forces them to pass.
00:25:44There's some stuff he does defensively that I love,
00:25:46but it's the old Rob thing, John.
00:25:47It's like Rob and Brad again.
00:25:49If he jumps on one pump fake, or commits a bad foul,
00:25:53or just is out of position on a player or two, he's done.
00:25:56And so in this game, I think Luke was so shaky
00:25:58that they had to go back to him,
00:25:59and the Clippers were playing small, so he had to switch.
00:26:03But I do wish that they could keep Cato
00:26:05consistently involved here.
00:26:07And it's tough, because him and Cornette
00:26:08are kind of the same positional player
00:26:11on this roster right now.
00:26:12And given their pros and cons,
00:26:15they're barely equal in terms of
00:26:18what you're getting from both of them.
00:26:20So it's a tough decision night in and night out.
00:26:23They're kind of playing the match-ups, Noah, with it.
00:26:25And the thing that's leaning Luke's way,
00:26:27I think, is the trust.
00:26:28He just has more trust from Joe, and I understand that.
00:26:31But there has to be a big picture
00:26:33to Cato's development, I think.
00:26:35Yeah, definitely.
00:26:37Yeah, go ahead, Noah.
00:26:40I didn't have much more to say.
00:26:41I was just gonna say, I think Luke's passing
00:26:42is one of the things that is underrated,
00:26:44the way that, at his best, he really is.
00:26:46Cato's not a bad passer.
00:26:48Cato's a pretty good passer.
00:26:49And I think of late, I've noticed that Cato
00:26:51is actually not a bad passer.
00:26:53And he clinched the game.
00:26:55I know he wasn't in the story,
00:26:56but he did hit that reverse layup
00:26:59that kind of clinched that one.
00:27:00That lefty up and under.
00:27:01Honestly, with the way things have been going
00:27:03in late game moments for the Celtics,
00:27:04that game was not over until he hit that layup.
00:27:06Like, that was a huge play.
00:27:08So credit to him for being ready.
00:27:10Yeah, again, sometimes he drifts.
00:27:13Sometimes he gets a little out of position defensively.
00:27:16Bites a little bit.
00:27:17Outside of that, I like a lot of what I see
00:27:19because he is coordinated.
00:27:22He can get out on switches.
00:27:23He does have really good hands.
00:27:24He gets the ball out of his hands
00:27:26really quickly on passes too.
00:27:28And he has a pretty deft touch around the rim.
00:27:30So it's not just kind of high flying stuff.
00:27:32There are, again, lots of Rob elements in his game,
00:27:36not nearly as level.
00:27:38You know, it's very Rob light.
00:27:40But the conversation continues to be the same,
00:27:43which is about trust, which is when he's lost in space,
00:27:46and Joe sees it, I think his brain explodes.
00:27:49Like, nah, can't have it.
00:27:50You know, like, got to get him out of there.
00:27:52And so you see that a lot.
00:27:53On the Hauser point, I wanted to go back to that,
00:27:57what Noah was talking about.
00:28:00It wasn't just the threes.
00:28:01It was he looked very, they were very Hauser-y threes, right?
00:28:05Those, like, really great, quick, like, catch and shoot,
00:28:09like, didn't even, barely even touch the net.
00:28:12They looked so true.
00:28:14And it's just, when he's in those grooves,
00:28:17you're shocked when he misses.
00:28:20But he's been so inconsistent and so cold this year,
00:28:23I just wasn't ready for it.
00:28:24And then you just see it, and I'm like, ah, that's right.
00:28:27He's supposed to hit all of these.
00:28:29Every good look, you expect him to go down there.
00:28:31So getting him back healthy and in rhythm,
00:28:33I think, is huge, you know, for these guys.
00:28:36So again, I know he started,
00:28:38but I'm kind of lumping him in with the bench people
00:28:41who all, like, they all did their jobs, you know?
00:28:47Like, I think, well, you know,
00:28:50Pritchard might've come out gunning a little bit too heavy
00:28:54with the 30-footers in the first half there
00:28:56and trying to go one-on-one against some bigger defenders,
00:28:58had a difficult time getting his shot off sometimes,
00:29:01got a little too dribbly.
00:29:02I think when he came in the game, he was like,
00:29:04they need me, here I go, ah, you know, got all crazy.
00:29:08And it was a little bit tough.
00:29:08Which is fair, considering how much it has worked this season.
00:29:12So he's good off of it.
00:29:14But he was like, oh, it's Pritchard time, here I go.
00:29:17And it was like, OK, just relax, dude.
00:29:19There's four other people out there.
00:29:21It turned into, you know, some schoolyard stuff.
00:29:24But he pulled it together.
00:29:26Hauser, who started, I'm still lumping him on the bench stuff.
00:29:29You know, obviously Springer and Cato,
00:29:31who we talked about as well.
00:29:33Let's get to that late game stuff.
00:29:35And we're going to transition a little bit into Jalen.
00:29:38You guys outright, because if I say it first,
00:29:40everyone's going to yell at me.
00:29:41But did Jalen Brown have a good game, a bad game, a mixed game?
00:29:47Bad game in the end.
00:29:50I think it was a good game until the final minutes,
00:29:52and then he made some really terrible decisions.
00:29:55So I do think he played well throughout the game, but it's that's going to,
00:29:58you know, it's nobody's going to remember that.
00:29:59Yeah, and again,
00:30:03you're looking at Atlanta Hawks vibes here with this,
00:30:05you know, the way this goes down.
00:30:06But, I mean, let's just break it down.
00:30:08It's a minute three left in the game.
00:30:11You know, you know,
00:30:13Clippers have the ball, they score, so now you're up four.
00:30:17Brown misses a 12 footer.
00:30:19And, you know, that's that.
00:30:21They get a stop coming down and then Brown gets it back
00:30:23and offensive foul the next time through and then gets trapped in the corner
00:30:27and throws a terrible pass that ends up with the transition
00:30:30layup going the other way with about four seconds left.
00:30:32And that's what sent the game to overtime.
00:30:34I mean, almost kind of a single handed solo meltdown
00:30:38on the Mel Gates everything, because he did come out hard charging early.
00:30:42He made some nice passes as well.
00:30:44So he did good things.
00:30:46And then all of that happened.
00:30:49And I'm not going to say completely negates all of it.
00:30:52But again, like Noah said, that's what you're going to remember.
00:30:56Yeah, no, and I disagreed on the first thing, the timeout,
00:30:59because they try to get a timeout on the first turnover
00:31:03and they couldn't get it.
00:31:05So what do we disagree about, though?
00:31:07Whether they should have given it or not.
00:31:09You don't think they should have given it?
00:31:11No, because when you're what it always happens on like a jump ball, John,
00:31:15right, where like they're freaking out, they're trying to call a timeout.
00:31:18They're already tangled up in a jump ball.
00:31:20The refs are trying to see that and they're calling timeout.
00:31:23And you don't get it in because the refs don't hear it, John.
00:31:26And maybe you think if you're Joe that they should hear it.
00:31:28But like the play has already gone sideways.
00:31:31So he's trapped there in the corner.
00:31:34You can't throw the ball in the corner.
00:31:35I forget whose fault that was that the ball.
00:31:37Joe called the timeout before that pass was thrown, Bobby.
00:31:40That was like. But they didn't hear it.
00:31:42Fine, but it was still the most egregious missed timeout call.
00:31:45You can pause the NBA.
00:31:46So what I'm saying is they have to execute
00:31:50and not have to rely on that timeout.
00:31:52And then the fact that they did it again and then they did it again, John,
00:31:56they had a game winner opportunity and Tatum absorbed a double in the wing
00:32:00and he just throws a grenade to White and White gets bought.
00:32:03So I don't know what's going on there with the late game execution.
00:32:05But this month, they're minus eight net rating.
00:32:08They've had three games that they probably should have blown
00:32:11and they got lucky in the Pelicans one, obviously.
00:32:13They're giving up one 23 per 100 in those spots.
00:32:17And they've been on the year a decent clutch team.
00:32:22But we're seeing just a couple of situational things.
00:32:25And the five second thing against New Orleans was weird.
00:32:28The Atlanta stuff was just awful.
00:32:30And this this stuff probably put them in a position
00:32:34where they deserve to lose the game, especially because they almost melted down
00:32:37at the end of overtime to just with managing the game and the pace.
00:32:41And there's one moment late in overtime.
00:32:43Why are they passing the ball into the corner so much?
00:32:46I don't know. Forget the timeout stuff.
00:32:47What are you passing the ball in the corner for?
00:32:49You're just you're you're getting doubled there
00:32:52and you have a third defender with the sideline.
00:32:54It's a disaster.
00:32:56Like, what are you doing there in the half court,
00:32:59passing the ball into the corner and getting stuck?
00:33:01Like, come on, guys.
00:33:02Play smarter basketball.
00:33:04That stuff is that stuff is just infuriating.
00:33:07It's got to move the ball, though.
00:33:08No, I feel like he's just got to get it out of there before the double comes.
00:33:13Yeah, this has been a little bit of a team wide epidemic these past few weeks
00:33:17where you're they're really like we were talking about this in press row,
00:33:20but like you don't really see NBA teams get this frazzled by tracks and presses.
00:33:25And I will say to Joe, Joe brought it up postgame.
00:33:27He said that this year teams have been doing this a lot more than just fouling.
00:33:30Like there has been more of an emphasis on going for the seal.
00:33:32And I've noticed that watching league pass,
00:33:34like there have been a lot of teams
00:33:35I'm like, am I watching college or high school basketball or am I watching the NBA?
00:33:38So it is a little perplexing
00:33:39why all of a sudden teams are struggling with this.
00:33:41But certainly I think the Celtics are going to have to go back
00:33:44and figure this out because it's not just one game and it's not just Jalen
00:33:46and it's not just Derek.
00:33:47And it's really been a combination of things.
00:33:49Also, I'm not sure what they were running.
00:33:51Like they found, you know, Derek found Jalen in the corner,
00:33:55but I'm like, they called the time, you know, Joe got his time out
00:33:57and they came back in and it's like, I'm not sure exactly
00:33:59what the play is that they were going for, but they're going to.
00:34:02I think if there's a point of emphasis from these last few closed games,
00:34:05it's they're going to have to figure out something different on the press break,
00:34:08whether it's personnel or where they set up.
00:34:10Yeah, like I never thought I'd be saying this about the Celtics,
00:34:13but the press, the press break needs to be a big part of practice
00:34:16whenever they have practice next.
00:34:17And it's different stuff every time, John.
00:34:20Obviously, the Derek stuff was weird and he tried to call a time out
00:34:23in his play in that Pelicans game and couldn't get it in the Atlanta game.
00:34:29You're throwing the ball around when you probably should just be taking a five.
00:34:32So it's like situational stuff.
00:34:33And I know Joe said that there's not a lot of practice time
00:34:36or a chance to simulate particularly the physicality in those moments.
00:34:41But you should be on the same page about what you want to do.
00:34:44And the weird thing for that Atlanta game was that Joe
00:34:48didn't really give an answer on what Drew should have done there.
00:34:51It was just like, oh, you could do one thing or you could do the other.
00:34:53And you're always going to say the other thing if it doesn't work.
00:34:56And it's like, why don't you just have a philosophy
00:34:58about what you should do in that moment?
00:35:00So I think situationally right now, they just seem to be getting perplexed.
00:35:04Even like, again, to go back to that overtime thing,
00:35:07the sidelines telling them to push the ball a little bit late in those moments,
00:35:10not slow down in that while you're trying to maintain that lead late there.
00:35:14And they're still sort of slogging along.
00:35:16So there's a communication lapse of some kind going on here
00:35:20in these late game moments.
00:35:21And it is, I feel like, John, a difficult thing to simulate
00:35:25when there's no practice time, when there's limited shoot around time.
00:35:28But it's something they have to take a look at right now, because
00:35:31I don't think that was I don't think holiday is a matter of practice or philosophy.
00:35:35I think simply just situational awareness.
00:35:38And when he catches the ball under the basket, he might be thinking
00:35:41two dribbles, a kick out to another player, and they wrote,
00:35:44they swing it over somewhere else and it's over.
00:35:46Like, we've run out the clock.
00:35:48Like, let's just kill it.
00:35:49Or let's let's whittle it down to a second and it's over.
00:35:52So he's just in clock killing mode, not realizing.
00:35:55Actually, if I hit the layup, it's better off than what's going to happen
00:35:59because the person on passage is going to get fouled one second later.
00:36:02I'm not really killing that much clock.
00:36:04So he just didn't think about it.
00:36:05And then he completely fell asleep, thinking they were up three
00:36:07rather than up to when he fouls on that next possession.
00:36:11So I just don't think he knew the situation.
00:36:13I don't think that was a they're not practicing that enough.
00:36:17A guy who's normally extremely dependable,
00:36:20who is one of the smarter players on the floor,
00:36:23just had multiple brain cramps at the worst time imaginable there.
00:36:28So that's what happened.
00:36:30But yeah, I mean, urgency,
00:36:33playing a little bit quicker, not allowing yourself to get trapped,
00:36:36recognizing that you've got a lot of your hands quickly, not drip.
00:36:40Certainly don't pass into the corner,
00:36:42trying not to dribble into the corner.
00:36:43Those are those are just basketball things, you know,
00:36:47that you just should know not to do.
00:36:48And they're just not they're not executing it well.
00:36:51So they're they're they're kind of fumbling the ball here late.
00:36:55We're going to get we're going to talk a little bit more, Jalen,
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00:38:50Guys, anything left over from this game before I before I go back?
00:38:55Go ahead.
00:38:56I'm just wondering, I don't want to I want to I want to leave it all.
00:39:01I don't want to leave anything on the table.
00:39:03Now, I mean, again, everyone was on the Clippers.
00:39:07You knew that's a letdown opportunity, but you're also missing three guys yourself.
00:39:10So I'll give them a pass on this one.
00:39:13I didn't love it.
00:39:14I didn't think it was them at their best, but they got it done.
00:39:16And that's all you're asking for them, especially on the front end of a back
00:39:19to back, and they'll have some reinforcements coming in tomorrow,
00:39:22which would be a tough one, obviously.
00:39:24They did play with fire sitting all three of those guys, though, right?
00:39:27Like you think that was I mean, obviously it was the right move.
00:39:33Because because everyone's out on the Clippers.
00:39:36What's with this?
00:39:38What's anymore?
00:39:39How they just don't do that?
00:39:41No, I think Porzingis wasn't on their injury report originally.
00:39:44And then I think once you see everyone's out on the Clippers, you're like,
00:39:47all right, let's get them both out here.
00:39:49So you have them both tomorrow.
00:39:50So I actually like that move by then.
00:39:52Yeah, OK.
00:39:54Noah, leftovers, I think, honestly,
00:39:57I'll just say I'm seeing this question a bunch in the chat
00:39:59about why the bigs are guarding the three point line more of late.
00:40:02Yeah, I just want to acknowledge this person's really trying to get this through.
00:40:06But I'll just say I actually was thinking the same thing today.
00:40:11And the result didn't come up postgame with Joe.
00:40:13But I actually have been wondering that because I've noticed the same.
00:40:16So not an answer, but I do resonate with the question.
00:40:20And I was thinking the same thing, especially today.
00:40:22I felt like I don't know if it's a miscommunication, but I'm like,
00:40:24why is Luke a foot above the three point line right now
00:40:27guarding a guard where he's not going to survive?
00:40:29And they're not just they're not just getting caught on switches.
00:40:32I don't know. So that's the thing.
00:40:33I'll go back and rewatch this game and maybe next year I'll have a better answer.
00:40:37But I felt like a couple of times today was a little overdone.
00:40:40I don't think that I don't think some of the I think we I think the Celtics in general
00:40:46have have not been doing a good job getting through some screens.
00:40:49And I do think those guys are getting stuck out there.
00:40:52So I don't know if it's by design.
00:40:54I think it's just happening and they're being drawn out.
00:40:57But, yeah, you know, maybe another look.
00:41:00Well, yeah, sometimes they'll do a little matchup zone
00:41:03to where guys will move between the front and back line.
00:41:06I think I saw that in a couple of plays tonight, too.
00:41:08They've been doing that more often lately.
00:41:09But yeah, sometimes it's stuck.
00:41:11Sometimes they're switching, trying to cut off the three point line.
00:41:14And, you know, you got to be able to do that, especially if you're Kata.
00:41:16That's what they rely on him for.
00:41:17So when he's out there, he's going to be switching.
00:41:21OK, so I'll ask you guys.
00:41:23And again, let's let's let's first play Jalen from tonight.
00:41:28We talked about it, the late game execution.
00:41:30Here's him talking about kind of what went what went down late.
00:41:33How do you kind of become more poised and better in the fourth quarter
00:41:37and have some blunders in the last couple of games?
00:41:40Just how do you kind of improve that?
00:41:43You know, take accountability,
00:41:46you know, look at the film and stuff like that.
00:41:49And just learn from our experiences.
00:41:52We had some turnovers late in the fourth quarter.
00:41:54It was, you know, I got some different coverages,
00:41:58kind of the Clippers was throwing at us, but they did a good job
00:42:00of trapping us in the corners and stuff.
00:42:03And they made the game closer than it probably should have been.
00:42:05We just got to we just got to be better.
00:42:08Jalen, how have you and the group tried to manage the grind of this season
00:42:11as well as absorbing everyone's best shot after coming off the championship?
00:42:15It's a mental challenge, but it's a physical one, too.
00:42:18You know, just trying to be available each and every night,
00:42:21you know, through the physicality, through injuries and stuff like that.
00:42:25And just try to put your best foot forward.
00:42:27But it's a challenge, you know,
00:42:29and we just got to continue to choose to to meet that challenge every day.
00:42:35Very quickly, I want to ask you, because I'm
00:42:38tired of the best shot narrative.
00:42:40I've been tired of it all year.
00:42:43Oh, then the question.
00:42:46I understand, but we keep hearing it
00:42:49enough and like, oh, oh, it was hard.
00:42:55Are you saying it to him?
00:42:57Because the other team played hard and I was hoping they wouldn't play hard,
00:43:00but they did because they wanted to beat us.
00:43:03No shit. You know what?
00:43:04I love it. Like I get it.
00:43:06Last year, they were historically good.
00:43:08You think teams weren't getting up for the Celtics last year, too?
00:43:11I know they're the champs, but like, come on.
00:43:13We've heard in past seasons from them.
00:43:15I don't want I don't get you.
00:43:16They've been they've been a top two or three team in the league for six years.
00:43:20Everyone knows when the Celtics are coming to town.
00:43:23You got to be like, what do you think?
00:43:25They're playing three percent harder because they won the title last year.
00:43:27One percent.
00:43:29Enough. I'm so tired of that narrative.
00:43:32Well, with that, we're losing because the other teams are playing us hard
00:43:36because they want to beat us.
00:43:38So, you know, Tatum says
00:43:40the worst version of it is what Tatum says, where he goes,
00:43:43well, they don't play like that against everybody else.
00:43:47I just I'm going to disagree.
00:43:49They get this question every day.
00:43:52They get this question every day.
00:43:54So no, but they'll bring it up, you know, they do it on their own, too.
00:43:57Tatum was also brought up multiple times that he feels like he's been getting
00:44:00the team's best shots for a while now, like for years now.
00:44:03So I actually heard him.
00:44:04It's victim mentality.
00:44:06It's just honestly, I asked Seth Curry in Golden State.
00:44:09I asked him about what do people not understand about defending a title
00:44:12that's like players understand?
00:44:13And he was like, people literally spent all summer trying to figure out
00:44:16how to beat you.
00:44:17And they come out every single night with like ready to execute that.
00:44:20So to John's point, what do you say to three?
00:44:23How do you guys know?
00:44:24Because because no team spends an entire off season
00:44:28game planning how to beat a team.
00:44:30They're going to play twice.
00:44:31It's just not true.
00:44:32I'm sorry. It's not.
00:44:34You get a little bit more amped up because it's a rival
00:44:37and you've all played sports.
00:44:39You're playing the crosstown rival.
00:44:41You get a little bit more jumped, jumped up like, oh, it's Brookline Newton North.
00:44:44We really want to beat them.
00:44:46Like, you know, you didn't have to go there.
00:44:48You get a little bit more hyped.
00:44:50But come on.
00:44:52Like, this is all sports all the time.
00:44:54You have rivalries, teams that you have bad blood with.
00:44:56You get it up a little bit.
00:44:58Like, there's no way a team is sitting there game planning.
00:45:00They got 82 games, but two are against Boston.
00:45:03And let me spend my whole off season.
00:45:04How am I going to beat those guys?
00:45:06Like, yeah, they want to beat them, but it's not worth mentioning
00:45:09over and over and over again.
00:45:11I'm going to go with the defending champs that have said that, though.
00:45:14Like, I don't think they're all lying.
00:45:16Yeah, because they all suffer from championship malaise
00:45:19and hangovers the next year.
00:45:20And it's a very convenient excuse of, like, why we're not playing as well
00:45:24because teams aren't repeating as well.
00:45:26Everyone's got it for us.
00:45:27Oh, OK.
00:45:30And the fact the fact that they would say the title, don't win it.
00:45:33Don't bother. It's OK.
00:45:35You guys get a pass because everyone's playing hard this year.
00:45:38OK, you guys don't have to use them not playing well.
00:45:41But I do think it's context that's like valuable.
00:45:44I don't know. I think it's just the time we talk about narratives
00:45:48when they're negative.
00:45:50This is a narrative that they're creating that they should put aside.
00:45:53I'm tired of this narrative. That's all.
00:45:55That's all. And again, he was asked about it directly there.
00:45:58But I've heard it too many times this year for sure. Yeah.
00:46:03It's like I said, it's a bit of excuse making.
00:46:05Just just just do your thing.
00:46:07The other thing is, again, what something's not right with Jalen hasn't been.
00:46:12And again, everyone feels like now it's back to normal
00:46:15because Joe capitulated, you know, recognized that Brown was not loving
00:46:22his new role, which looks a lot like the old role,
00:46:26except he's not shooting as well.
00:46:29But he was his substitution patterns were different.
00:46:32And Brown the other day talked about it to you guys in the locker room
00:46:37fall, although it was a Golden State following the Golden State game.
00:46:41Here's here's that from the other night.
00:46:43Play a little deeper in the first quarter.
00:46:45I know there's been an adjustment to this.
00:46:46You had those rotations.
00:46:48I feel like it helped a little bit, you know, mix things up a little bit.
00:46:52Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, you could say that, you know,
00:46:56I feel like, you know, I'm usually the one to set the tone for the team.
00:47:00So sometimes not being out there, we kind of have a sluggish start.
00:47:06You know, I feel like
00:47:07my name is different
00:47:09at different times in my career.
00:47:11That's been me to help negate that.
00:47:13But, you know, different year, you know,
00:47:17you know, things get switching up and things get switched up.
00:47:20And you just got to be all right with that.
00:47:21I don't really
00:47:23complain anything.
00:47:24I just, you know, just try to come out and be the best version of myself.
00:47:32Weird, weird answer.
00:47:35So when anytime, anytime somebody says I'm not complain after they complain.
00:47:40OK, but what is what is going on there?
00:47:43Is it all about the rotation thing there?
00:47:45What is this idea that Brown is in a different role this year in his mind?
00:47:48Is it simply based on the rotations or something else going on? We're missing.
00:47:54It's all we know, and there might be some underlying things
00:47:57there might just be a crutch he's using to discuss the struggles he's gone through.
00:48:03But I do think it's a significant change.
00:48:07He probably going back to 2022, I'd say, John, maybe 2021.
00:48:12But that was a weird year.
00:48:16He's done this for three years now where he's played the full first quarter.
00:48:19He's gotten to have the shots.
00:48:21We all know his patented outburst early in games
00:48:25that made him among the leading first quarter scorers in the league.
00:48:30And, you know, just knowing Jalen and his process and all that, he is super
00:48:37a creature of habit.
00:48:38I key probably leaned on that routine of playing the full first.
00:48:43And this wasn't something, John, that they planned going into the year
00:48:47that they had big outlines for communication about going in.
00:48:52Remember the first game Tatum had against the Knicks where he just went nuts?
00:48:56They just played him the full first quarter there because he was rolling,
00:48:59which is the right move.
00:49:01And then they just kept doing that and it kept working for Tatum,
00:49:03but it wasn't working for Brown and Brown just had to figure it out.
00:49:08And so they ended up in a weird spot here midway through the year
00:49:11where it was working for Tatum and wasn't working for Brown.
00:49:14We've now heard Brown sound off about it two, three times.
00:49:19And whether it's part of the starting lineup struggles or Brown struggles,
00:49:25they changed it to address something there.
00:49:27And I feel like we've seen a mixed bag of results from it so far.
00:49:31It's a little awkward that they're just staggering those guys to get them
00:49:35each nine minutes in the first quarter.
00:49:37And it looks like that's what they're going to do going forward,
00:49:39but I think it's real.
00:49:40Yeah.
00:49:41Well, Noah, what are your thoughts?
00:49:42Cause again, it's, I, I understand maybe Jalen felt that he wasn't, you know,
00:49:48he had the, he was in a different rhythm because of what he was used to, but
00:49:51Celtics were actually among the better scoring first quarter teams, I think,
00:49:55in the league this year.
00:49:57So it wasn't bad what was happening, but in Jalen's mind, it was maybe for him.
00:50:05And maybe that impacts him later on.
00:50:07And that has an adverse effect on the rest of the team.
00:50:09So I'm not discounting it, but it is a strange comment.
00:50:12Is that all you think that's going on there?
00:50:14You didn't like subbing out as early.
00:50:17Yeah.
00:50:18So here's what I'll say.
00:50:19I do think the, I do think that there's a certain element of this rotation
00:50:23thing being a bigger deal in his mind than it probably actually is and
00:50:26probably should be, I also think that he gets his words get scrutinized
00:50:30in a way that I don't know.
00:50:31I don't follow their sports, but it seems so extreme the way that
00:50:33his words get torn apart.
00:50:35Come on, Noah, what do you mean?
00:50:37Come on, he said, and he said it three times.
00:50:40Sure.
00:50:41And I also think that he said, he actually said it, he said it to Abby.
00:50:44He said it to Abby the day before too.
00:50:46So he's, he's been wanting to walk this out there for a little bit.
00:50:50It's not again, John, out of context, it's not scrutinized.
00:50:53He said the same thing to Abby two days earlier about a new role,
00:50:56this little cryptic new role thing.
00:50:58So he wants this out there.
00:50:59He wants us to know, this is a thing that he doesn't want.
00:51:03I don't think it's scrutiny.
00:51:04He's putting it on a platter for us right now, Noah.
00:51:07I don't think it's scrutinized.
00:51:08He's dying for us to pick up the breadcrumbs.
00:51:11Yeah.
00:51:14Sure.
00:51:14I also think that we've been around him in press and scrums over the last few
00:51:18days and the sentiment that I'm getting from him just after yesterday's
00:51:22interview, I think Bobby, you shared this feeling or after Golden State,
00:51:25we had the same feeling of like, Oh, Jalen, we weren't sure how he was going
00:51:28to be because we haven't heard from him in a while and he's hasn't been playing
00:51:30great, but his feeling was actually is the vibe from talking to him was actually
00:51:34like, he's in a pretty good place.
00:51:36Like that was the, that's all I'm saying.
00:51:38I think like sometimes these clips, you can rewatch the same clip over and over
00:51:40again.
00:51:40Did you not feel the same way, Bobby, when he finished his media
00:51:42availability after Golden State?
00:51:44We, that's how we felt.
00:51:45Um, and so I'm just saying my job is to, you know, we're in the locker room.
00:51:51I'm sure sometimes it's a little bit, something that doesn't get picked up on
00:51:54camera or it's not the quote, but that is how we both felt and how I think the
00:51:58media felt, um, walking out of talking to him after not hearing from him for a
00:52:02week.
00:52:03And I do think he's used the media differently than other players.
00:52:05He says things that are kind of subtle and cryptic.
00:52:08I also think that most of the time it's ended up being a lot of discourse
00:52:11around nothing ultimately.
00:52:13And so every year we have this discussion, right?
00:52:17We do.
00:52:17But respectfully, I think I've been in a million locker rooms.
00:52:21I think when you're in there, you're looking at the person, you're making eye
00:52:25contact, you're connecting on a different way.
00:52:27So you might come out of there with a softer vibe.
00:52:29There's not like, this isn't cuts in the media.
00:52:32People are seeing out of context.
00:52:34People watch the entire clip and everybody else out of the media universe
00:52:39was like, man, what's wrong?
00:52:41Is he all, is he upset?
00:52:43So like I, you guys might've gotten that vibe standing next to him in person, but
00:52:48just playing the sound start to finish.
00:52:49Sounds like a guy who's like kind of a little, like, I don't, I don't love
00:52:53what's going on here.
00:52:54I don't think we're talking about a bunch of different things.
00:52:57We're also talking about a bunch of different stuff with him after a 40
00:53:01point win after he didn't talk to the media for 10 days, including two good
00:53:06games where he had the opportunity to, and probably should have.
00:53:09So I think that is something you have to mention there as well.
00:53:12Along with the fact that I gave him an out, John, I said, you know,
00:53:16didn't, did the new rotations work?
00:53:18He had a good game.
00:53:19So that was my feeling about it is all right.
00:53:21There's a new rotation.
00:53:22It's working well for you.
00:53:23Right.
00:53:23And he said, I guess you could say that.
00:53:25And then went on the list, the same complaint that he's had a couple of
00:53:28times this year while saying, I'm not one to complain there.
00:53:31So that has to be more to whatever's going on here.
00:53:35That's what I'm wondering is you guys are in there rotation.
00:53:38I don't know.
00:53:39This is all we know.
00:53:40Uh, again, obviously it's been a difficult year for him off the
00:53:44court too, with the situation with his mother there too.
00:53:47So, uh, you know, I, I'm sure that's part of this being a
00:53:50challenging stretch for him physically too.
00:53:52He said today that he's got a bunch of stuff that he's dealing with.
00:53:56So I'm sure that's part of this here too.
00:53:58I don't think there's any major discontent with him against the team here.
00:54:02I think this is just a case of him.
00:54:04Noah struggling immensely this year, the worst shooting numbers
00:54:07since his rookie season.
00:54:09And him trying to come to terms with what's going wrong here.
00:54:12And I do think the rotation thing probably threw him off a little bit.
00:54:15Now, I don't know what's going on with his defense at times.
00:54:18And some of the other slip-ups he's had, the mistakes late
00:54:21in this game were like stunning.
00:54:23Uh, so he's got to find a way to get back on track.
00:54:27And I will credit Joe, Joe John for making that attempt to settle things
00:54:32and get things right on that rotation front and try something new.
00:54:35Cause again, struggling with that starting lineup.
00:54:39Uh, there's nothing wrong with switching it back, but we spent how much of last
00:54:44year at times talking about Tatum and you got to get him going and I don't love
00:54:50this rotation where he comes out before he gets any shots up, sometimes he come
00:54:55out and you look at his, you know, he come out in the first quarter and you
00:54:59look at it and he's only put up one shot the entire first quarter, your best player.
00:55:03He's barely getting touches because Jalen's setting the tone.
00:55:06And while it's working for there, you're wondering like, geez, we're not getting
00:55:09anything out of Tatum until the third or fourth quarter.
00:55:12So I think that's why Joe flipped it.
00:55:14But then it had an adverse effect here.
00:55:16Shouldn't the two best players on the team be able to coexist and play and be
00:55:23effective without one being like, no, I have to play the whole first quarter.
00:55:28No, I do.
00:55:29Like I talked about this, the whole game are like, no, not just play.
00:55:36Yeah, I do think, yeah, I do think that it's the way that they don't play off
00:55:40each other has always been a basketball mystery to me.
00:55:42I also think that they clearly have figured it out because they won a
00:55:44championship together and, you know, like I just would have thought that there
00:55:47would be a little bit more leniency this season to like their dynamic and things
00:55:52like, what, what, what, what is it going to take for us to move on?
00:55:55Is it going to be like, they're never going to change the way they talk.
00:55:57Jalen, we love talking to Jalen after games because he's the only person
00:56:01who will like go off script.
00:56:02Right.
00:56:03So I think that's why I'm defensive when, and I feel the same way about all NBA
00:56:06players, when, when guys get, you know, when we replay the same clip over and
00:56:09over and over again, because I want Jalen to say the way that he is, where he can
00:56:13actually give us a sense on how he feels about things instead of just saying the
00:56:15PR thing where I don't really know if he doesn't feel anything because he's always.
00:56:19No, he wants us to know this, Noah.
00:56:22Sure.
00:56:23He keeps going in that direction.
00:56:26Yeah, I don't know.
00:56:28I just think, yeah.
00:56:29I just think that, you know, he always sounds like this.
00:56:32Like, I don't know if you watch a Jalen press conference, there's always something
00:56:35that sounds like a little weird, but usually sometimes, sometimes what he says
00:56:39is the most refreshing because he can also be honest.
00:56:42And sometimes when he's a guy who's out there, you know, and he's, and he's
00:56:46playing at his highest level, uh, you know, he'll, you know, we got to do this
00:56:51and we got to do that and he'll hold himself accountable.
00:56:53There's nothing wrong with that.
00:56:54There is a bit of gaslighting going on with what's going on though, because I
00:56:57don't think his role has changed and he keeps talking about this new role.
00:57:00I mean, we'll put it up here, but like the numbers, his role, everybody's
00:57:05role took a dip last year, right?
00:57:08Um, because you had more people coming on and Noah might have to
00:57:11vacate because she's in a tough spot here.
00:57:13And if that, if so, that's okay.
00:57:14But his numbers are mad.
00:57:17Oh yeah.
00:57:17His numbers are, are fairly consistent in terms of what he is in terms of usage,
00:57:22in terms of minute, in terms of everything.
00:57:24The only thing that's down is his shooting.
00:57:26Um, he's just shooting worse this year and his assists are up, which is great,
00:57:31but he's not taking, he's talking about a new role with this team and he does.
00:57:36It's, it's the same role.
00:57:39No, I don't think he's asked to do anything different.
00:57:42Uh, maybe playing more with that, you know, because more with the second
00:57:47unit changes, but not he's claiming that makes him more of a distributor or a
00:57:52playmaker and no, typically that second unit guy ends up having to be a bigger
00:57:56alpha dog when it comes to scoring, because you're around people who aren't
00:57:59as capable scoring and you're the guy with the ball in your hands more.
00:58:03So I don't think that anything has happened.
00:58:05His should have taken him out of his comfort zone.
00:58:07He's just not, he's just not shooting the ball as well as he was before.
00:58:12So I don't know if that's the issue where he's attributing his struggles
00:58:15to a perception, you know, a perceived role change, but like overall.
00:58:22I, my, my bigger theory, my, you know, the prevailing theory I have
00:58:25Bobby is Noah said it earlier.
00:58:28They figured it out last year, sort of, they figured it out, how to
00:58:32kind of put it together for a year.
00:58:35But then you've got a bunch of players like Derrick was like, it could be an
00:58:38all-star, you know, and holidays, you know, been an all-star and so has been
00:58:43a poor Zingas and all these guys.
00:58:45I'm not saying egos come into play, but like to continue to ask people to
00:58:49sacrifice year after year, after year, after year, especially people who are in
00:58:53the prime of their careers is asking a lot.
00:58:56So when you're winning, everyone will be like, it was fine.
00:58:59It was worth it.
00:59:00Look, look what we won.
00:59:01But if you're not playing as well as a team, you can easily look and say, well,
00:59:05if you were using me differently, or if the ball was in my hands more,
00:59:08maybe things would be different.
00:59:09And so I think it's that inconsistency of the team also paired with his kind
00:59:17of underperform based on his standards where he's been, at least in terms of
00:59:22scoring the basketball, that's maybe created this vibe of like, I don't like
00:59:27the role that I'm in this year or what I'm doing as much, Derrick White's got
00:59:30to wonder about his role this year too.
00:59:32Cause I think that that's a little bit ever changing.
00:59:34And I think we're spending a lot of time thinking about how to play Cape and
00:59:38Brown, which feels like a 2022 problem and shouldn't be a 2025 problem right now.
00:59:45We've seen them play at the highest level harmoniously.
00:59:48And for some reason, they're not as connected this year.
00:59:50And I don't, I, you know, I'm not, I don't fully get it.
00:59:53Yeah.
00:59:53I, I'm on the lean with him more than you are on the role change thing, because I do
00:59:58think that first quarter thing's more significant than you would think.
01:00:01As a playmaker.
01:00:02That's the point is like, not only are there's assists up, his pass, his total
01:00:06passes are up and the quality of his passes are up.
01:00:09So I actually like what he's been doing in terms of, you know, being a
01:00:14little bit more of a playmaker.
01:00:16That's a positive thing.
01:00:18You know, what he mentioned is the fact that he's a tone setter early in a lot of
01:00:23these games and things are going sideways in many early portions of these games.
01:00:29And then he comes off the floor six minutes in.
01:00:31So he's obviously part of things going wrong in that opening stretch, but he
01:00:35feels like he could fix those things if he could stay on the court longer.
01:00:38And maybe that's true again.
01:00:40He had enormous positive results early in these first quarters going back years.
01:00:47So I understand his perspective on that.
01:00:49And of course, Tatum, a clip we didn't play, it was like, Hey, I was used to
01:00:52playing half the first quarter and now I'm adjusting to playing the full first
01:00:57quarter.
01:00:57So it was almost like, come on, like your rotations, your substitutions are
01:01:01changing a little bit here, but it's still basketball at the end of the day.
01:01:05And, you know, I think that's easier for him to say, coming with the success and
01:01:10the amount of rhythm that he's been able to generate by playing full first
01:01:13quarters.
01:01:13And we praise Joe for that early in the year by figuring out this Tatum
01:01:16thing, John, is that you're not just pulling them off the floor six minutes
01:01:20in before you can get a rhythm going, but you know what the moral of the story is
01:01:23here.
01:01:25And you said it earlier, who cares who's on the court when you're going to be on
01:01:30the court a lot together anyway.
01:01:32And so for that first six minutes, can you get each other involved in actions a
01:01:36little bit?
01:01:36Can you pass to each other a little bit?
01:01:38I mean, John, they're down the seven passes between each other a game.
01:01:41This month, I noted it.
01:01:45It's it's unbelievable.
01:01:46I noticed it early.
01:01:47They had a great exchange early and I had a great exchange early with the give and
01:01:51go that set up a three where they, they, they, they, they, they passed back.
01:01:55And when you see that you're like, Whoa.
01:01:58Yeah.
01:01:59Yeah.
01:01:59So again, I know the number one thing you're going to hear when you ask about
01:02:03it is, Oh, they're both being guarded by the best players.
01:02:06So why would they screen for each other?
01:02:07The two best defenders are just going to switch on each other, but there has to
01:02:10be more to it than that.
01:02:12And you know, they usually pass new each other, like 10, 11 times a game, but this
01:02:16is extra low.
01:02:17And I think it reflects some of their issues this month, given the fact that
01:02:21before the warriors game, John, they were last in passes in the league to begin
01:02:25this month, dead last.
01:02:27And so they're not moving the ball.
01:02:29They're not getting guys involved a ton prior to these last two games.
01:02:32And you know what?
01:02:33I think these last two games have been better off offensively for them,
01:02:37Brown, Tatum, everyone included.
01:02:39And I don't think it's all necessarily like a bunch of guys who are like, well,
01:02:43we want a championship.
01:02:44I'm going to get mine.
01:02:45Cause I think that that's a lazy narrative.
01:02:47I think sometimes you can be so good at one thing that you lean into it a little
01:02:52bit and it takes you out of everything else.
01:02:54It's almost like the inverse of why Sam Hauser had the best defensive rating in
01:02:58the NBA two years ago, because people were targeting them, taking themselves out of
01:03:02their offense and then everything would fall apart.
01:03:04I think because the Celtics can create mismatches so freely that they're
01:03:08constantly hunting them, that it ends up just leaving the ball in somebody's
01:03:11hands and they're, they're doing their own thing and it's taking people out of
01:03:14their game and they're not moving the ball as well.
01:03:17You see when the ball moves, how much more efficient the offense is.
01:03:20They just have to keep reminding themselves to get back to it.
01:03:23But then also they're like, oh my God, I just want to say, I just want to, I just
01:03:27want to get a switch on to curry and let my guy go to work here.
01:03:30And that's part of it too.
01:03:32Right.
01:03:32Their eyes are this big.
01:03:33Yeah.
01:03:34Yeah.
01:03:34And they do that a lot.
01:03:35Yeah.
01:03:36Like that's their bread and butter and sometimes to be an ISO heavy.
01:03:41Yeah.
01:03:41And I don't care if I don't actually care if he is grumpy about it and, and the
01:03:49fix fixes it because everyone's different.
01:03:51I don't think athletes in all sports should be super worried about their roles.
01:03:57I think, you know, baseball players are particularly, particularly
01:04:00pitchers, uh, very nitpicky about it.
01:04:03Like I need to know if I'm going in and the seventh or eighth, just
01:04:05go throw strikes, dude.
01:04:07But like, you know, there's other people who do it.
01:04:08You don't have it in football as much.
01:04:10You're running in and off the field.
01:04:11And when it's your turn, you just get patted on the ass.
01:04:16So he's got a routine.
01:04:17So everyone's a little different if it fixes it.
01:04:19Fine.
01:04:20That's great.
01:04:20You don't want to do it at the expense of something else, but if it fixes it,
01:04:25fixes the starting lineup issues, gets him back into rhythm.
01:04:27I don't think any of the, when he's playing explains why he's walking around
01:04:32on defense or standing when there's a rebound to be grabbed, he's still
01:04:35having lapses at all times.
01:04:38Um, and he had several tonight as well, where it's just like the over helping
01:04:42or the not, or the just standing there and pointing to somebody instead of
01:04:47moving out and get extending to a shooter or thinking that there was going to be a
01:04:50switch, not fighting through a screen.
01:04:52Like he's still not.
01:04:54He's not, you know, and there's the inconsistent effort and the bad
01:04:58habits are creeping in with these guys a little bit more than you want to see.
01:05:01Uh, at times, and Joe's mentioned that sometimes the offense affects the defense
01:05:07and maybe he's the prime example of that.
01:05:09We've, we've said it about Tatum a bunch, but maybe it is a Brown always
01:05:13seemed impervious to it because he was such a, he was such a elite shot maker.
01:05:17Right.
01:05:18So you just never, it felt like his offense never cooled, you know, like he
01:05:22was, you put him out there and he was just a bucket machine, no matter what it
01:05:25was hitting really tough, contested buckets, driving when nobody else
01:05:29could get anything going.
01:05:30So this is the first time we've seen him kind of struggle with his, some of his
01:05:33bread and butter, um, stuff.
01:05:35And maybe that that's had a trickle down effect.
01:05:37So this.
01:05:40Yeah.
01:05:40And I like him moving closer to the rim.
01:05:42The last couple of games here, posting up attack.
01:05:45Sometimes it's just unfair cheat code.
01:05:48A couple of these, he just, but just barrels his way to the basket.
01:05:51And you know, he's not having a great year from three.
01:05:54So, you know, why not take two, three, four threes a game instead of seven, if
01:05:58you're him and move closer and, and catch the ball around the basket
01:06:01and make some plays in there.
01:06:02So I think he has the right approach.
01:06:04These last handful of games to get his efficiency back on track.
01:06:07He takes tough shots sometimes for him and Brown the bit or for him and Tatum.
01:06:11The biggest things I want to see is them make the game easier for those guys.
01:06:15And you mentioned the play at the start, the two man game, they ran there and some
01:06:19of the looks that they got both of each other early in this game were great.
01:06:23Uh, and so I want to see more of that.
01:06:24I like how the road trip starting so far with these couple of games here,
01:06:27tomorrow's going to be tough.
01:06:29It looks like the Lakers going to be fully loaded as I look ahead here.
01:06:32Uh, and you know, they're going to bring it for that game too.
01:06:35They're going to get the Lakers best shot, John.
01:06:37So I hope they're ready for it.
01:06:40Yeah.
01:06:41Yeah.
01:06:41It's good.
01:06:42Cause again, you'll be arrested Tatum and Brown are impervious.
01:06:46They don't necessarily need their rest.
01:06:47They're still, they can play back to back to backs and they're fine.
01:06:51Um, but you're going to get KP and drew and, uh, and, uh, and all coming in
01:06:56which is, yeah, which is good.
01:07:00That's good.
01:07:00It should be good.
01:07:01Um, but yeah, so fine.
01:07:05Like I said, you, you, you want to see more consistency if Joe's
01:07:07unlocked it with his new rotation thing.
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01:07:36here at CLNS media, once again, the media defeat the Los Angeles Clippers
01:07:39to move to 31 and 13 on the season.
01:07:41First back to back wins Bobby since early January.
01:07:44It's like January 4th, which is strange.
01:07:46Um, wolves and rockets, right?
01:07:48Wolves rockets.
01:07:49Yep, exactly.
01:07:50Uh, as we said, we are back at it with another late one.
01:07:53It is 3 52 AM and I'm furious about it, but there's nothing I can do.
01:07:58Um, so at least you get to, at least you get to go to sleep and wake up in the
01:08:03same city and go cover a game tomorrow.
01:08:05Luckily you're not on the road for it.
01:08:07Uh, in a different arena, very cool arena.
01:08:10The arena experience was awesome.
01:08:11The crowd was bad and mostly Celtics here, but if this thing works out and
01:08:16they can fill this place out and get a real fan base, I, I think
01:08:20they got the right idea going.
01:08:22And I walked up the wall before the game, uh, and it was a challenge.
01:08:27That whole thing was pretty cool up there.
01:08:29And then you get up to the top and see the view.
01:08:31We're going to have a video comment.
01:08:32I took a video inside and around the arena.
01:08:34So check that out.
01:08:35Tony, you were at this game.
01:08:37Yeah.
01:08:39I sent us a picture of you with a hard hat, please.
01:08:42Shout out to Robbie too.
01:08:44Uh, with the Navy's, uh, guy from with the Navy.
01:08:47So he's a big fan of us.
01:08:48So appreciate him, uh, saying hello today here as well.
01:08:51A lot of Celtics fans in the building as always.
01:08:55Yeah.
01:08:55Yeah, totally.
01:08:56Thank you guys for hanging out.
01:08:57Uh, and, uh, we do appreciate it.
01:09:00Uh, 4.
01:09:01AM John.
01:09:03I know the garden report, the garden report doesn't sleep.
01:09:06Uh, and we do, we we're doing this.
01:09:08Sorry.
01:09:09We made you wait for it.
01:09:10I couldn't get anybody to start the show with me.
01:09:11And these guys were hanging out doing their work, talking to
01:09:15those guys after the game.
01:09:16So we had a late start.
01:09:17We appreciate those of you who stayed up with us.
01:09:20Uh, which was great.
01:09:21Thank you for the chat, for being active and having a good time and
01:09:24keeping us honest, uh, throughout.
01:09:26And, uh, let me find our little outro situation.
01:09:29We will say goodbye and we will see you back here, uh, later tonight,
01:09:32tomorrow, I guess, whatever.
01:09:34Take care.
01:09:35No one's sneaking a vegan brownie by me.
01:09:37I'll tell you.
01:09:37Okay.
01:09:37You know what, John, you have to feel that way too.
01:09:40Bobby, I have to feel that way over and make Luke your first center.
01:09:45Bobby, we gave you Luke hour earlier.
01:09:47We're not going to end this on a damn conversation about Luke.