"2013 mein Nawaz Sharif maqbool thay, phir Imran Khan, ab ghair maqbool hukumat aayi hai." Fawad

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00:00It was a huge for me step.

00:03I don't think there has ever been a president who has been a 3-star general, a former corps commander and a former DG ISI.

00:13I think this is a red line that has been crossed.

00:16People have been saying for a long time that it will never happen.

00:20It happened.

00:21And after that red line was crossed, the mood of Pakistan's politics changed.

00:27Why?

00:28Because on that day, I realized how far the harshness that is coming from here can go.

00:33So now when we talk about compromising, that mood was set after that day.

00:39And I don't think there is any strategic shift in it.

00:42It can be done tactically.

00:44But strategically, the step that was taken, until Hashim does not reach his logical conclusion,

00:51I don't see any big change in the establishment.

00:54But how surprised were you when you saw it?

00:57I think I was not very surprised.

01:01I'll be honest with you.

01:02Did you think it would happen?

01:03I thought it would happen.

01:04See, the whole establishment runs from the number one.

01:11And all the anecdotal evidence that was coming from people was that it would happen this way.

01:17So I was not actually surprised.

01:19And the people who are talking now that there will be a way out of this.

01:24Muzakirat is another important one for me.

01:28But you say that there is a black and white approach.

01:33And can I add to this that when it happened on 9th May,

01:36a lot of soldiers were picked up,

01:38whose court-martial is still being held in the military courts.

01:42A lot of soldiers and families were picked up who were present at GHQs and other places.

01:47Was it a sign also that there was a zero tolerance policy?

01:50Yeah, at least this guy is different from other people.

01:53The one who used to care about the army.

01:56But Ali, if you look closely, the work started from there.

01:59So it was building up.

02:00So that's why I'm saying that when General Faiz Ameed came,

02:03I was not surprised because when you were reading the room,

02:07you could hear from the room that these matters were going that way.

02:10That pendulum has gone even more extreme.

02:12Because the repression that has taken place,

02:14the way the arrests have been made,

02:16the way there have been raids in houses,

02:18we were listening to that as well.

02:20That extreme pendulum was going on and on.

02:23And there have been excesses.

02:25But that made it clear that the institution that is ready to go to that level,

02:30will also keep its own people in the middle.

02:33And Mr. Durrani, lines were drawn at that time.

02:37After this, now everyone can see that if this can happen,

02:41then this line will be drawn.

02:45Actually, the discussion you have had here,

02:48I have a slightly different view on it.

02:51I think that from 1954 to today,

02:55Justice, Establishment, Bureaucracy and so on,

02:59it has been in an alliance.

03:01When has there been a difference?

03:03Until 1972, you people had not separated East Pakistan.

03:08You did not make the constitution.

03:10In 1973, you made the constitution.

03:13And then tell me,

03:15which election will take place after 1973,

03:19which was won by the same party,

03:21without the permission of the establishment,

03:23without the permission of the administration,

03:25and without the permission of the judiciary?

03:29Yes, make 2024 a benchmark.

03:33Here, the people have flexed their muscles,

03:36for the first time in the history of Pakistan.

03:40There is no role of the judiciary in this.

03:42There is no role of any kind of bureaucracy in this.

03:46Everyone has tried their best to suppress the people.

03:49They could not suppress them.

03:51You suppressed them, sir.

03:52You suppressed them.

03:53That means the third party became number one

03:55and made the government.

03:56This is how you suppress the people.

03:58You should suppress them.

04:00The day the government runs,

04:02that day I will listen to you.

04:04This is fine.

04:05There is another argument for running.

04:07Sir, Mr. Fawad has a question for Mr. Durrani.

04:10Mr. Durrani, because my brothers are from this area

04:12and I have a lot of love for them.

04:14Mr. Durrani, you have said a very beautiful thing,

04:16that this alliance has been going on since the 1950s,

04:18as you have said.

04:19Have you ever been a part of this alliance

04:21or have you distanced yourself from it?

04:23Mr. Durrani, allow me to say one thing.

04:26I was covering a press conference of yours

04:28before the 2002 elections.

04:30Mr. Durrani, you must remember,

04:32you were in the Millat Party at that time.

04:34You and Aila Malik Sahiba were in the press conference.

04:37Someone asked a question.

04:38She was a Catholic at that time.

04:40She is from the King's Party.

04:41She will win everything.

04:42Mr. Durrani, your answer was,

04:44we are also from the King's Party.

04:46Sir, allow me to answer him.

04:48I have a lot of love for my brothers.

04:50Mr. Durrani, are you also a part of the alliance

04:52that you are condemning?

04:54Yes, yes, I am telling you.

04:56I am telling you that until 2012,

04:59I was not a part of these alliances.

05:02I have seen them from the inside.

05:04And let me tell you that

05:06after 1973, all the governments that came,

05:08if Mr. Bhutto had not come,

05:12they could not have come.

05:14Similarly, if Zia-ul-Haq had not brought in Mr. Mian,

05:16they could not have come.

05:18If Musharraf had not brought in Mr. Chaudhry,

05:20they could not have come.

05:22Until 2018,

05:24if Imran Khan had not brought in Mr. Bajwa,

05:26they could not have come.

05:28Mr. Durrani,

05:30it is unfortunate that

05:32it has become normal for us

05:34that elections have been rigged.

05:36We say that

05:38no election is clean in history.

05:40I have a lot of topics to cover.

05:42I have a lot of topics to cover.

05:44I have a lot of topics to cover.

05:46I have a lot of topics to cover.

05:48Let them accept

05:50that they have turned everything upside down.

05:52that they have turned everything upside down.

05:54After this, when you go to 2025,

05:56I will tell you the list of what is going to happen in 2025.

05:58I will tell you the list of what is going to happen in 2025.

06:00I will go.

06:02Quick comment.

06:04No offences to anyone.

06:06As long as you are a part of it,

06:08a beneficiary of this system,

06:10of this alliance that my brother mentioned,

06:12of this alliance that my brother mentioned,

06:14you defend it, justify it,

06:16and propagate it.

06:18The moment you are useless for them,

06:20and they turn you aside,

06:22you criticize, get angry,

06:24My brother says that once he was part of it,

06:26it was fine.

06:28Once he is out of the system,

06:30people make mistakes.

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