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00:00In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, Assalamu Alaikum.
00:23It was an important day.
00:24We have a lot of news to talk about.
00:26We will introduce our first guest and learn a few things from him.
00:30He is the central leader of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
00:32He is also a member of the Negotiating Committee.
00:33He is also the Secretary General.
00:34Today, Pakistan's army has announced that more than 60 people have been sentenced since 9th May.
00:44Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's Bani Imran Khan's nephew, Hassan-ul-Aniyazi, who is a former MP,
00:50has been imprisoned for 10 years.
00:52There are also two former soldiers and a few other cases.
00:57How is the PTI looking at this?
00:59On the one hand, it seems that there is snow melting due to the negotiations.
01:01On the other hand, this has also happened.
01:03What does Imran Khan say about the negotiations?
01:05Because Salman Sahib has also spoken to Khan Sahib today.
01:07And some other references.
01:09Very interestingly, Aleema Khan Sahiba said,
01:11which means that Khan Sahib has been offered that we will shift you to Manigala.
01:15We will take you to KPK.
01:17Khan Sahib said, I will not do anything like this.
01:19I will not do this deal at all.
01:21Salman Khan is with us.
01:23Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:25Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
01:27Sir, thank you very much for your time.
01:29Today, the rest of the people have also been sentenced.
01:31Obviously, we have heard your stance on this many times.
01:33But it was not followed at the party level.
01:35It was not dealt with.
01:37On which you also said that if we deal with these people at the party level legally,
01:43then all this would have been justified.
01:45Are you sure that this was the right policy?
01:48Or, if you had kept your reservations and stance,
01:52but since some people were trapped in this process,
01:55then it would have been better to cooperate.
01:57Even if it was not better in terms of results,
01:59then at least it would have been better in terms of optics.
02:03No, it would certainly not have been better in terms of optics.
02:06Then we would have accepted these courts as a party.
02:10But see, by not doing this, no one was harmed.
02:14All our lawyers were available to everyone who wanted to make someone a lawyer.
02:20So, this was a matter at the party level.
02:23But at the individual level, our lawyers were absolutely present.
02:28And most of the convicts had legal support.
02:34In fact, everyone had legal support.
02:37So, in my opinion, there was no difference.
02:40The decision that had to be made, was made.
02:42Sir, will this appeal be made at the party level?
02:46Or will it be made at the individual level?
02:51See, we will cooperate.
02:53Our party's lawyers, who do military law,
02:57or those who are involved in the same,
02:59I will definitely be a part of them.
03:01So, this will happen.
03:02But this does not happen at the party level.
03:06If you see, according to the law,
03:08the appeal has to be made individually.
03:10So, it will happen.
03:11First of all, it is an appeal under the Army Act,
03:14which we do not consider to be a special appeal.
03:17It is an appeal to a senior officer.
03:20If the colonel decides,
03:22the appeal will be made to a senior officer,
03:25whose appellate authority has been established.
03:27He can also be the army chief.
03:29But the real issue will be at the party level,
03:32which is going on in the Supreme Court.
03:35Or if we go further and further into the High Courts,
03:40then the real issue will be there.
03:42So, sir, what will happen?
03:45As a legal expert, you tell me,
03:47because it is written in the press release
03:49that they will be allowed to exercise all their legal options.
03:52So, what is your legal opinion?
03:54One is what you said,
03:55that the military courts should go to a higher level.
03:58And what is the relevant forum outside that system?
04:01High Court or Supreme Court,
04:02where people can appeal?
04:05No, there will be no appeal.
04:07The appeal will be under the Army Act,
04:09where it is given in the Army Act,
04:12that is, in the form of a senior officer.
04:15We do not consider it a special appeal.
04:17In our opinion,
04:18that appeal is also as broad as the military courts.
04:22It will be there.
04:23They will do it individually.
04:24But the real thing, as I said,
04:26the mark will be there.
04:27The writ petition will be in the High Court.
04:29The case that is going on in the Supreme Court,
04:31this case will be raised in that case.
04:34And it has been raised.
04:35We are saying,
04:36and the five-member bench of the Supreme Court has agreed with us,
04:39that all this action has been unlawful.
04:41This was unlawful.
04:42These courts are also unlawful.
04:45The cases that were handed over to them,
04:47the way they were handed over,
04:49that is also unlawful.
04:50So, that case will continue in its place.
04:52Apart from that,
04:53if there is no discussion on the level of the Supreme Court,
04:56then the individual punishments on the level of the High Court,
04:59can still be challenged.
05:02And does the High Court have the power
05:04to declare all those punishments unlawful
05:07and also give the order for release?
05:11Look, they can be declared unlawful.
05:13If in these cases,
05:15in the anti-terror courts,
05:17a case was established,
05:19then it is possible that the matter will go back there.
05:21But that too will be a legal matter.
05:23That you have kept them for two years,
05:25filed a case on them,
05:27filed it in a legal manner,
05:29kept them under strict control for two years,
05:32then how many more punishments do they have to face?
05:34Look, the cases are the same,
05:36that a pot was broken,
05:38or a person entered a house.
05:40Usually, if this happens,
05:42then these punishments are of three, four, five, six months.
05:45Here, it was declared an attack against a very big state.
05:49Some people were sent to the anti-terror courts,
05:53the courts of terrorism,
05:55where the cases are going on under the common law.
05:59Some people were chosen and sent to the military courts.
06:02We did not understand who was sent there,
06:05who was sent here.
06:07The way it has been categorized,
06:09this too is unlawful.
06:11Even if we leave the courts for a moment,
06:13whether their existence is unlawful or not,
06:16the way it has been categorized,
06:18the way it has been chosen by people,
06:20that too is unlawful.
06:22Sir, this is the last question in this regard.
06:24Then we will go to the next topic.
06:26In your opinion, according to today's law,
06:30the High Court does not have the power
06:34to completely reject a decision of the military court
06:37and give the accused the right of release.
06:39It does not have this power.
06:41Yes, it does.
06:43The High Court can completely reject a decision of the military court.
06:48It has done so in the past.
06:50I am just saying that
06:52if the case is brought before the military court,
06:55if the case is brought before the military court,
06:59and if the case was brought before the common court,
07:02then that case can still go on.
07:04Maybe.
07:05There can be a debate on that.
07:07But the decisions of the military courts
07:09can often be rejected by the High Court or the Supreme Court.
07:13Okay.
07:14Sir, now let's talk about the negotiations.
07:17First of all, tell us,
07:19was there a time frame?
07:21Mr. Khan tweeted that there should be a time frame for the negotiations.
07:24We asked him about the time frame.
07:26He replied that he will give us an idea when he meets Mr. Khan.
07:30So, the date is 31st January.
07:32So, it is okay that you expect the case to reach a conclusion
07:36around 31st January.
07:38Otherwise, it will be a useless and time-taking exercise.
07:44Yes, that's right.
07:45The decision was made today
07:47that we will proceed with the case till 31st January.
07:50And if nothing happens by then,
07:52and if there is no clear progress,
07:54then whatever political action is taken,
07:56it will take its course.
07:58We want that the situation in the country,
08:00which is a political pressure,
08:02a tension, a tension,
08:04to end.
08:06Whatever injustice has been done to us,
08:08the election was looted,
08:10as we say,
08:12the events were kept confidential
08:14regarding 9th May and 26th November.
08:16It is our demand
08:18that there should be a Judicial Commission
08:20to investigate what happened on that day.
08:22It is possible that some of our people are involved.
08:24But the big story that has been built,
08:26we think that
08:28it is very important to see
08:30what happened on that day
08:32through a Judicial Commission.
08:34What happened on 9th May and 26th November,
08:36the martyrdoms that took place,
08:38the bullets that were fired,
08:40the investigation of all this is important.
08:42And then there should be a time frame for the Judicial Commission.
08:44I mean, even if it is made before 31st,
08:46then you will expect that there should be a time frame for it
08:48for weeks, months, years.
08:50Well, that is another thing.
08:52First, let it be made.
08:54After that, what will happen to its time frame
08:56is a separate thing.
08:58But I think that it should be made.
09:00It will be a very good step for this nation.
09:02If you want to do truth and reconciliation,
09:04if you want to reach the truth,
09:06if you want to heal your wounds,
09:08and if you want to move forward
09:10for the prosperity of the country,
09:12then it is very important
09:14that the truth is known.
09:16We want to take a step towards this.
09:18And of course, it will not be a
09:20one-time thing.
09:22It should have an end
09:24and the nation should know what happened.
09:26We are certain
09:28that we are a patriotic community.
09:30We stand for the prosperity of Pakistan.
09:32We are a community that
09:34unites Pakistan.
09:36We are a single,
09:38loyal community
09:40whose supporters
09:42are in every corner of the country.
09:44Ending this
09:46or trying to end it
09:48is a dangerous act.
09:50In this attempt,
09:52the entire judicial system,
09:54the election system,
09:56should stop.
09:58Stopping the internet, everything should stop.
10:00You expect,
10:02your people also said that the government should
10:04take some confidence-building measures
10:06so that things get better.
10:08Wouldn't it be better
10:10to create an environment
10:12where the people of the country
10:14would be able to vote
10:16and the people of the country
10:18would be able
10:20to vote
10:22and the people of the country
10:24would be able
10:26to vote
10:28and the people of the country
10:30would be able
10:32to vote
10:34and the people of the country
10:36would be able
10:38to vote
10:40and the people of the country
10:42would be able
10:44to vote
10:46and the people of the country
10:48would be able
10:50to vote
10:52and the people of the country
10:54would be able
10:56to vote
10:58and the people of the country
11:00would be able
11:02to vote
11:04and the people of the country
11:06would be able
11:08to vote
11:10and the people of the country
11:12would be able
11:14to vote
11:16and the people of the country
11:18would be able
11:20to vote
11:22and the people of the country
11:24would be able
11:26to vote
11:28and the people of the country
11:30would be able
11:32to vote
11:34and the people of the country
11:36would be able
11:38to vote
11:40and the people of the country
11:42would be able
11:44to vote
11:46and the people of the country
11:48would be able
11:50to vote
11:52and the people of the country
11:54would be able
11:56to vote
11:58and the people of the country
12:00would be able
12:02to vote
12:04and the people of the country
12:06would be able
12:08to vote
12:10and the people of the country
12:12would be able
12:14to vote
12:16and the people of the country
12:18would be able
12:20to vote
12:22and the people of the country
12:24would be able
12:26to vote
12:28and the people of the country
12:30would be able
12:32to vote
13:02But what was this
13:04disobedience?
13:06In the history of our country
13:08there was a law
13:10that no person
13:12can make salt.
13:14When Gandhi went, he picked up the water
13:16and said, here, I made salt.
13:18That was disobedience.
13:20In the same way,
13:22there was a law in the US
13:24in the 60s,
13:26that black people
13:28were not allowed
13:30and if a white farmer
13:32came there,
13:34he had the right to sit
13:36and the black farmer would stand up.
13:38People disobeyed it.
13:40It was a black law, a bad law.
13:42People went to jail
13:44because of this disobedience.
13:46But this disobedience happened
13:48and today it is seen from the point of view of Satyajit.
13:50Today it is said that
13:52humanity has progressed
13:54because of it.
13:56And America became a better state.
13:58So if tomorrow, in another phase,
14:00electricity bills will be burned,
14:02gas bills will not be paid,
14:04do you think it should be seen from Satyajit's point of view?
14:06Look, we have not reached there
14:08and no such thing has happened yet.
14:10We will see what happens.
14:12But our hope and wish
14:14is that we don't have to reach there.
14:16Before that,
14:18things get resolved
14:20and we move towards the law.
14:22We will hold on to the law
14:24and invest in the country.
14:26Now look, people are not investing
14:28and jobs are not being created here.
14:30It is said that the number of people
14:32has decreased.
14:34The reason for this is that you have stopped the country.
14:36You have closed the economy.
14:38In the stock exchange,
14:40even if 50 million dollars comes,
14:42which is nothing,
14:44where does it reach?
14:46All these things are fabricated.
14:48The real progress happens when there are investors,
14:50when jobs are created,
14:52when your youth see a future.
14:54The young people of this country
14:56cannot see a future.
14:58Because there is political tension in this country.
15:00There is no rule of law in this country.
15:02And when Mr. Salman gives this statement,
15:04Bani's sister,
15:06Mr. Khan's sister,
15:08she said that she will not agree to house arrest.
15:10And before this,
15:12the leadership also said that
15:14they were satisfied with Mr. Khan's release.
15:16The matter was resolved on the 26th.
15:18The matter came to an end.
15:20So are you telling us that
15:22on the other hand,
15:24there are so many lucrative offers
15:26that they will release you
15:28or is this an exaggeration?
15:30No, I think
15:32there is an exaggeration in this.
15:34Look, this is an assumption.
15:36But Mr. Khan said
15:38that if such a thing happens,
15:40then I will not accept it.
15:42It is not possible that I
15:44leave the jail and go home
15:46and the rest of my friends
15:48in the hundreds and thousands
15:50be it Yasmeen Rashid,
15:52be it Shah Mehmood Qureshi,
15:54be it Mijaz Chaudhry,
15:56be it Sarfaraz Cheema,
15:58or be it the thousands
16:00whose names you and I
16:02may not know who are in jail.
16:04And it would be a congratulatory statement
16:06to say that on the 26th,
16:08some matters got worse at the end.
16:10Otherwise, it was not surprising
16:12that Mr. Khan would have been released
16:14in the next few days.
16:16No, look, this is not a clear thing.
16:18But now this is a part of the past.
16:20We have to move forward.
16:22I think it is not too late.
16:24We can still put this country
16:26on the right track.
16:28There is no reason for the PTI
16:30not to play its legitimate role
16:32in the development of this country.
16:34This is a community
16:36that is connected to Pakistan
16:38and does not believe in any religious
16:40or religious hatred.
16:42It is present in every province.
16:44So I think this is an opportunity
16:46for this community
16:48to come together,
16:50to heal the wounds
16:52and to move forward
16:54according to the will of the people
16:56and to play its role
16:58in the development of this country.
17:00Thank you very much, Mr. Salman.
17:02Obviously, the biggest news of today
17:04is about the military court.
17:06There are 60 people in it.
17:08One of them is Hafizullah Niazi.
17:10He is the son of Hafizullah Niazi.
17:12We have also mentioned him.
17:14He is Mr. Imran Khan's nephew.
17:16Two out of 60 people
17:18have been sentenced to 10 years.
17:20Senior journalist,
17:22researcher,
17:24and of course,
17:26needs no introduction,
17:28Mr. Hafizullah Niazi is with us.
17:30Thank you for your time.
17:32I have a personal relationship
17:34with you,
17:36so I have good wishes for you.
17:38Obviously, this will be a shock
17:40for you on a personal level.
17:42Were you expecting
17:44the same outcome
17:46from the court
17:48or was the sentence
17:50more harsh or mild
17:52than your expectations?
17:54Thank you very much, Wasim.
17:56Last Friday,
17:58when I was in the court,
18:00I told them that
18:02if they decide,
18:04they should do it with justice.
18:06If they have committed a crime,
18:08they should be punished
18:10according to the law.
18:14But if they do it
18:16as a collateral,
18:18or as a ploy
18:20to create panic
18:22among people,
18:24or as a
18:26special agenda
18:28to create panic
18:30among people,
18:32because I think
18:34this is the solution
18:36that you have set for people.
18:38And this is the last thing
18:40that I expect from you.
18:42I am very proud
18:44of my son,
18:46Wasim.
18:48I am very proud of my son,
18:50Wasim.
18:52I feel proud
18:54of my son,
18:56Wasim.
18:58I feel proud
19:00of my son,
19:02Wasim.
19:04I feel proud
19:06of my son,
19:08Wasim.
19:36I feel proud
19:38of my son,
19:40Wasim.
19:42I feel proud
19:44of my son,
19:46Wasim.
20:06I feel proud
20:08of my son,
20:10Wasim.
20:12I feel proud
20:14of my son,
20:16Wasim.
20:18I feel proud
20:20of my son,
20:22Wasim.
20:24I feel proud
20:26of my son,
20:28Wasim.
20:30I feel proud
20:32of my son,
20:34Wasim.
20:36I feel proud
20:38of my son,
20:40Wasim.
20:42I feel proud
20:44of my son,
20:46Wasim.
20:48I feel proud
20:50of my son,
20:52Wasim.
20:54I feel proud
20:56of my son,
20:58Wasim.
21:00I feel proud
21:02of my son,
21:04Wasim.
21:32I feel proud
21:34of my son,
21:36Wasim.
21:38I feel proud
21:40of my son,
21:42Wasim.
21:44I feel proud
21:46of my son,
21:48Wasim.
21:50I feel proud
21:52of my son,
21:54Wasim.
21:56I feel proud
21:58of my son,
22:00Wasim.
22:02I feel proud
22:04of my son,
22:06Wasim.
22:08I feel proud
22:10of my son,
22:12Wasim.
22:14I feel proud
22:16of my son,
22:18Wasim.
22:20I feel proud
22:22of my son,
22:24Wasim.
22:26I feel proud
22:28of my son,
22:30Wasim.
22:32I feel proud
22:34of my son,
22:36Wasim.
22:38I feel proud
22:40of my son,
22:42Wasim.
22:44I feel proud
22:46of my son,
22:48Wasim.
22:50I feel proud
22:52of my son,
22:54Wasim.
22:56I feel proud
22:58of my son,
23:00Wasim.
23:02I feel proud
23:04of my son,
23:06Wasim.
23:08I feel proud
23:10of my son,
23:12Wasim.
23:14I feel proud
23:16of my son,
23:18Wasim.
23:20I feel proud
23:22of my son,
23:24Wasim.
23:26I feel proud
23:28of my son,
23:30Wasim.
23:32I feel proud
23:34of my son,
23:36Wasim.
23:38I feel proud
23:40of my son,
23:42Wasim.
23:44I feel proud
23:46of my son,
23:48Wasim.
23:50I feel proud
23:52of my son,
23:54Wasim.
23:56I feel proud
23:58of my son,
24:00Wasim.
24:02I feel proud
24:04of my son,
24:06Wasim.
24:08I feel proud
24:10of my son,
24:12Wasim.
24:14I feel proud
24:16of my son,
24:18Wasim.
24:20I feel proud
24:22of my son,
24:24Wasim.
24:26I feel proud
24:28of my son,
24:30Wasim.
24:32I feel proud
24:34of my son,
24:36Wasim.
24:38I feel proud
24:40of my son,
24:42Wasim.
24:44I feel proud
24:46of my son,
24:48Wasim.
24:50I feel proud
24:52of my son,
24:54Wasim.
24:56I feel proud
24:58of my son,
25:00Wasim.
25:02I feel proud
25:04of my son,
25:06Wasim.
25:08I feel proud
25:10of my son,
25:12Wasim.
25:14I feel proud
25:16of my son,
25:18Wasim.
25:20I feel proud
25:22of my son,
25:24Wasim.
25:26I feel proud
25:28of my son,
25:30Wasim.
25:32I feel proud
25:34of my son,
25:36Wasim.
25:38I feel proud
25:40of my son,
25:42Wasim.
25:44I feel proud
25:46of my son,
25:48Wasim.
25:50I feel proud
25:52of my son,
25:54Wasim.
25:56I feel proud
25:58of my son,
26:00Wasim.
26:02I feel proud
26:04of my son,
26:06Wasim.
26:08I feel proud
26:10of my son,
26:12Wasim.
26:14I feel proud
26:16of my son,
26:18Wasim.
26:20I feel proud
26:22of my son,
26:24Wasim.
26:26I feel proud
26:28of my son,
26:30Wasim.
26:32I feel proud
26:34of my son,
26:36Wasim.
26:38I feel proud
26:40of my son,
26:42Wasim.
27:10I feel proud
27:12of my son,
27:14Wasim.
27:16I feel proud
27:18of my son,
27:20Wasim.
27:22I feel proud
27:24of my son,
27:26Wasim.
27:28I feel proud
27:30of my son,
27:32Wasim.
27:34I feel proud
27:36of my son,
27:38Wasim.
27:40I feel proud
27:42of my son,
27:44Wasim.
27:46I feel proud
27:48of my son,
27:50Wasim.
27:52I feel proud
27:54of my son,
27:56Wasim.
27:58I feel proud
28:00of my son,
28:02Wasim.
28:04I feel proud
28:06of my son,
28:08Wasim.
28:36These are all the crimes
28:38that are punishable.
28:40You are saying that my son is not guilty.
28:42He never went in jail.
28:44He never went in jail.
28:46He never went in jail.
28:48He never went in jail.
28:50He never went in jail.
28:52He never went in jail.
28:54He never went in jail.
28:56He never went in jail.
28:58He never went in jail.
29:00He never went in jail.
29:02He never went in jail.
29:04He never went in jail.
29:06He never went in jail.
29:08He never went in jail.
29:10He never went in jail.
29:12He never went in jail.
29:14He never went in jail.
29:16He never went in jail.
29:18He never went in jail.
29:20He never went in jail.
29:22He never went in jail.
29:24He never went in jail.
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31:30Mr. Grinnell, who has been
31:32appointed by Donald Trump,
31:34is making headlines every day.
31:36Yesterday, Sherry Rehman,
31:38a former guest of Pakistan,
31:40said about Mr. Grinnell that
31:42whatever he is doing is very surprising
31:44and it is very possible that
31:46he is doing it in his personal capacity.
31:48I will not repeat all the details of this.
31:50If you can show the screenshot,
31:52some people took that statement.
31:54For example, there was a tweet
31:56that more accusations of Grinnell
31:58being an ex-ambassador to US under Obama
32:00and recipient of millions
32:02from the State Department for her NGO
32:04accuses Rick of having a personal agenda
32:06and receiving lobby money
32:08for supporting Imran Khan.
32:10He said that his organization
32:12gets money from the US side
32:14and Sherry Rehman is talking about
32:16Richard Grinnell.
32:18Then Richard Grinnell replied
32:20under the same tweet.
32:22No more US taxpayer money.
32:24And then he tweeted
32:26under the same tweet
32:28that Sherry Rehman has been exposed.
32:30What a waste of US taxpayer money.
32:32Sherry has been exposed.
32:34And so on.
32:36So, let's try to understand
32:38this from Hussain Haqqani
32:40who was a former ambassador
32:42in the United States.
32:44Let's get to know these issues.
32:46Huzoor, Assalam-o-Alaikum.
32:48Walaikum Assalam.
32:50Sir, thank you very much for your time.
32:52Please explain to us
32:54this is not an election campaign
32:56where you say you will do this if you win.
32:58You are not a former official,
33:00you are a current official.
33:02There are two sides to this question.
33:04One is that this is unusual.
33:06Number two,
33:08how likely is it that
33:10there will be some action
33:12after the 20th of January?
33:14First of all,
33:16regarding Imran Khan's release,
33:18a lot of people
33:20who believe in human rights
33:22are raising their voices.
33:24And the reason for this is that
33:26whenever a political figure
33:28is imprisoned in any country,
33:30people raise their voices
33:32on the basis of a western
33:34attitude towards human rights.
33:36But the release of Imran Khan
33:38is not going to be done
33:40by the US,
33:42but by Pakistan.
33:44So, the real question is not
33:46whether Richard Grenell
33:48is seriously and
33:50with sincerity
33:52asking for this or not.
33:54The real question is
33:56which aspect of foreign policy
33:58will be beneficial in this?
34:00US policy is for the benefit of the US,
34:02Pakistan policy, you know
34:04how it is made.
34:06So, the various circles of Pakistan
34:08will think that
34:10this has been tweeted,
34:12it is possible that
34:14another statement will come
34:16when they take over the post,
34:18but
34:20after that statement,
34:22what will be the practical action
34:24because of which we will
34:26listen to them?
34:28Sir, for example,
34:30if they kill the IMF
34:32and disrupt their aid,
34:34will this be the practical action?
34:36Yes, this will definitely be the
34:38practical action,
34:40but it has not happened so far.
34:42So, if this is an unusual action,
34:44that the IMF,
34:46which has a set
34:48criteria for an ongoing program,
34:50says no, no, no,
34:52if you don't release someone,
34:54then we will stop our aid.
34:56This has not happened in the
34:58history of the IMF in 73 years.
35:00But even if this happens,
35:02they will not do it by saying
35:04that you have not maintained
35:06our fiscal discipline,
35:08you have missed the tax target again.
35:10Everyone will know that
35:12the reason is something else.
35:14Will we accept this pressure or not?
35:16Pakistan has signed on to
35:18countless programs of the IMF
35:20so far,
35:22and when the last phase has come,
35:24Pakistan is saying that we cannot
35:26fulfill the conditions,
35:28we do not take the next fiscal.
35:30So, what I mean to say is
35:32that this enthusiasm,
35:34the people who are religious,
35:36they love it.
35:38So, they want to build
35:40a new hope every few days
35:42so that they can get out
35:44of the trouble
35:46in which they are in because
35:48their leader is in jail.
35:50If you remember,
35:52Muslims used to do the same
35:54in the old days,
35:56that this will happen,
35:58the Saudi king will come,
36:00this will happen.
36:02This is unusual,
36:04that a special representative
36:06who has been nominated
36:08is not tweeting
36:10This is very unusual.
36:12This is very unusual.
36:14But what is even more unusual
36:16is that the people
36:18who have been nominated,
36:20for example,
36:22the Secretary of State
36:24and the National Security Advisor
36:26have been nominated,
36:28none of them have spoken.
36:30But sir,
36:32if the Trump administration's
36:34policies were completely
36:36contrary,
36:38wouldn't you have
36:40made an unofficial message
36:42to the Secretary of State
36:44that enough is enough?
36:46Isn't that so?
36:48It is possible that the Trump
36:50administration is thinking
36:52something,
36:54and I do not have
36:56any internal information
36:58about it at this time.
37:00But the way I am abroad in America,
37:02and it is clear that
37:04Trump and his team
37:06are not the same.
37:08But if you remember,
37:10in 2018,
37:12on the occasion of the New Year,
37:14Donald Trump tweeted
37:16that Pakistan has taken billions
37:18of dollars from us,
37:20and has never fulfilled
37:22its promise with us,
37:24we will teach this country a lesson,
37:26etc. Do you remember that?
37:28Absolutely.
37:30And at that time,
37:32he was the president.
37:34So sir,
37:36if I conclude this,
37:38after a year,
37:40after a year,
37:42he called
37:44Mr. Imran Khan,
37:46he also spoke to him,
37:48so this foreign policy
37:50has a lot of aspects.
37:52I don't see
37:54that the U.S. bombers
37:56will reach Islamabad,
37:58and their special forces
38:00will come,
38:02they will break the gate
38:04of Adiala Dale,
38:06and say that this is our man,
38:08let him go,
38:10and we are taking him with us.
38:12Sir, I am sure that no one
38:14is seeing this,
38:16but you don't see
38:18that after Donald Trump
38:20comes to power,
38:22he will increase the pressure
38:24on Pakistan to free Mr. Khan?
38:26If he increases the pressure,
38:28Mr. Wasim Badami,
38:30Pakistan's Afghan policy,
38:32Pakistan's China policy,
38:34or Pakistan's India policy,
38:36or all of these,
38:38he has no problem.
38:42You tell me one thing,
38:44he was Chazar for four years,
38:46did he do anything like this
38:48for any person in any country
38:50in the world?
38:52So this believer,
38:54he thinks that our man
38:56is so precious.
38:58He is absolutely not
39:00going to say anything
39:02to anyone,
39:04even if he has said
39:06something to another organization.
39:08In your opinion,
39:10what could be the reason
39:12for Mr. Grinnell's
39:14constant tweets?
39:16I haven't talked
39:18to him yet,
39:20God willing,
39:22one day it will happen,
39:24but his temperament
39:26is very different.
39:28And let's see,
39:30when he was an ambassador
39:32in Germany,
39:34some people said
39:36that his opinion
39:38was running faster
39:40than the rest.
39:42I want to tell the Pakistani
39:44media that as much as you
39:46get excited,
39:48like today's decision,
39:50and today there is no decision,
39:52in a few days the game
39:54will be decided.
39:56And will Pakistan
39:58follow that policy?
40:00And does America have any
40:02leverage, apart from
40:04the example you gave,
40:06any other leverage,
40:08bilateral leverage,
40:10which can be done easily?
40:12I don't see it.
40:14Thank you very much,
40:16sir, for your time.
40:18I will quickly move on
40:20with this reference.
40:22Mr. Atif Khan,
40:24a member of the PTI,
40:26said, let's close this chapter
40:28once and for all.
40:30Sajid Tarar has falsely claimed
40:32that he is the advisor
40:34of President Trump.
40:36And in the elections
40:38of Pakistan,
40:40he said this in the Pakistani
40:42media.
40:44Mr. Richard Grinnell
40:46also replied to this.
40:48Mr. Richard Grinnell's
40:50summary was that
40:52this guy is a phony.
40:54When was the last time
40:56he met Donald Trump?
40:58Easy to fact-check these frauds.
41:00Mr. Sajid Tarar is also with us.
41:02Sir, thank you very much for your time.
41:04What do you have to say?
41:06Is this a Pakistani...
41:08Sir, sir, sir,
41:10I would like to say two things.
41:12First, is this a runaway boy
41:14from home,
41:16or is this a fake?
41:18Secondly, this is not
41:20Mr. Richard Grinnell's Twitter.
41:22This is a runaway boy
41:24operating it.
41:26Such an insincere tweet.
41:28A person from Donald Trump's team
41:30will do this?
41:32And I don't need
41:34the certification of this runaway boy.
41:36Nor do I need it.
41:38Tell me,
41:40are these diplomats appointed?
41:42Do diplomats tweet like this?
41:44And secondly, is their experience
41:46Thirdly, I would like to say
41:48that he has been an ambassador in Germany.
41:50There has been such a big incident in Germany.
41:52He has tweeted about it.
41:54186,000 children died there.
41:56He has tweeted about it.
41:58But I should say
42:00that what kind of a drama is this?
42:02Fake news
42:04and fake tweets.
42:06Sir, haven't you seen his television interview?
42:08In that interview, he has said 500 times,
42:10Free Imran Khan.
42:12If all this is true,
42:14then I am worried about America.
42:16This is America's future.
42:18People will fix this future.
42:20Then you should be worried about Trump's appointment.
42:22What kind of appointments he is making.
42:24He has 24 months.
42:26After 24 months,
42:28the Congress election is going to happen again.
42:30If the team is tweeting like this,
42:32if this is legit.
42:34I am saying that they are operating it from the leaves
42:36because they are masters.
42:38They are masters of tweet and masters of YouTube.
42:40This is their business.
42:42I am worried about America.
42:44You should be worried about Pakistan.
42:46The reason is that
42:48I would like to ask you a question.
42:50Tell me that they want Taliban Khan again.
42:52And they want to run an atomic power
42:54with black goats.
42:56Do you think Donald Trump's future policies
42:58will be like this?
43:00That the world's super power is running with black goats.
43:02Sir, his innocent answer to the question
43:04was that you tell me when did you last meet Trump?
43:06Why should I tell him?
43:08I don't need his certification.
43:10I don't need him to play games.
43:12This is fake news.
43:14I don't believe that this is all true.
43:16Sir, do you still claim
43:18that you are a representative
43:20of Trump's administration?
43:22If you want to claim me,
43:24Google my name.
43:26All my bio data will come in front of you.
43:28I am saying that
43:30your claim is that you are a Republican supporter
43:32or a member of Trump's team.
43:34Don't tell me anything.
43:36If anyone has a doubt on me,
43:38if they have access to Google,
43:40then Google my name.
43:42What is my positioning?
43:44What was my positioning?
43:46Where I stand today?
43:48I don't need anyone's certification.
43:50I don't need anything.
43:52This is just their online business.
43:54This is not my business.
43:56I am a decent man.
43:58I do my work. I take care of my children.
44:00These are all boys who have run away from home.
44:02Are you telling Richard Grenell
44:04that he is a boy who has run away from home?
44:06The picture of his park pack has come.
44:08He is now advertising it
44:10with Indian media.
44:12Google Park Pack and see what it is.
44:14Tell me if this is the standard
44:16of Richard Grenell Park Pack
44:18at the moment.
44:20See if all these tweets are true.
44:22If these tweets are correct.
44:24Sir, if you don't say the word if,
44:26then this is the last minute.
44:28You have said the same thing
44:30in the television interview.
44:32I have seen the interview
44:34and this is what is happening.
44:36I don't expect a serious person
44:38to do such things.
44:40This is an intelligent community.
44:42They have put all the cards on the table.
44:44Tell me, are they giving
44:46benefit or harm to Mr. Khan?
44:48Are they doing it for themselves?
44:50People do it in such a way that
44:52they haven't even taken over yet
44:54and you have exposed all the policies.
44:56Is it good or bad for Mr. Khan?
44:58I am asking you this question.
45:00Thank you very much.
45:02We are running out of time.
45:04We will conclude after the break.