- 12/23/2024
#11hHour #WaseemBadami #ImranKhan #PTI #PMShehbazSharif #Negotiations #AsimMunir #Establishment
(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Allama Raja Nasir Abbas (MWM Chairman)
- Fawad Chaudhry (Senior Leader)
Talks Between PTI and PMLN Govt...? - Waseem Badami's Analysis
Will negotiations between PTI and Govt be successful?
Follow the ARY News channel on WhatsApp: https://bit.ly/46e5HzY
Subscribe to our channel and press the bell icon for latest news updates: http://bit.ly/3e0SwKP
ARY News is a leading Pakistani news channel that promises to bring you factual and timely international stories and stories about Pakistan, sports, entertainment, and business, amid others.
(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Waseem Badami
Guests:
- Allama Raja Nasir Abbas (MWM Chairman)
- Fawad Chaudhry (Senior Leader)
Talks Between PTI and PMLN Govt...? - Waseem Badami's Analysis
Will negotiations between PTI and Govt be successful?
Follow the ARY News channel on WhatsApp: https://bit.ly/46e5HzY
Subscribe to our channel and press the bell icon for latest news updates: http://bit.ly/3e0SwKP
ARY News is a leading Pakistani news channel that promises to bring you factual and timely international stories and stories about Pakistan, sports, entertainment, and business, amid others.
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful, Assalam-o-Alaikum, first of
00:17all, I would like to give you the latest news, which has come from the UK a while ago, but
00:20it is related to Pakistan.
00:21You know, over the weekend, it was decided that some civilians will be trialed in the
00:25military courts in relation to 9th May, and they have been punished.
00:29This is an old news, we do not repeat it now.
00:31But the European Union had reacted to it earlier.
00:33A while ago, the British Foreign Office reacted to it and said that the trial of the
00:41civilians in these courts is deprived of transparency.
00:44Although the UK respects the independence of Pakistan, but in these courts, the trial
00:49of the civilians is carried out without independent investigation.
00:52It is against the principles of human rights and transparency.
00:56Therefore, the Pakistani government should ensure the protection of human rights under
01:00international treaties.
01:02The civilians should have the right to a transparent and independent trial.
01:06This was the prediction a while ago.
01:08The most important prediction of the day is that the negotiations that will take place
01:12or not, that we have been hearing for weeks, have reached a stage where a formal government
01:22and opposition committee has been negotiated.
01:24If we take a quick look at it, then Ayaz Sadiq, who is the Speaker of the Parliament,
01:26has been negotiated in his leadership.
01:28Who are the members of the Government Negotiating Committee?
01:30In this, the Deputy Prime Minister, Mr. Ishaq Dar, Mr. Rana Sanaullah, Senator
01:35Irfan Siddiqui of Muslim League Noon, in the People's Party, Raja Parviz Ashraf,
01:40in addition to this, Naveed Qamar of the People's Party, Khalid Maqmood Siddiqui
01:44from MQM, then later he nominated Farooq Sattar.
01:47From the Independent Pakistan Party, Mr. Aleem Khan, from Muslim League Qaaf,
01:52Mr. Chaudhry Saleh Hussain.
01:54This is the Government Committee.
01:56As I said, Khalid Maqmood Siddiqui nominated Farooq Sattar.
02:00Today, the government considered it appropriate to add two more people
02:04after the meeting.
02:06In this, Mr. Ejaz-ul-Haq, who is the head of Muslim League Zia,
02:09and Khalid Maksi, who is the father of the party, has been added.
02:13On the other hand, who are the members of the PTI Committee?
02:16Mr. Asad Qaisar, Mr. Omar Ayub, Mr. Salman Akram Raja,
02:21Mr. Hamid Khan, Mr. Ali Ameen Kandapur,
02:24Mr. Hamid Raza, the son of Sunni Tiyat Council,
02:27and Mr. Allama Raja Nasir Abbas, the head of Majlis-e-Waidat-ul-Muslimeen.
02:31So, from today's negotiations, only seven people have come from the government,
02:35and three people have come from the opposition.
02:37Mr. Raja Nasir Abbas, Mr. Hamid Raza, and Mr. Asad Qaisar,
02:41only these three people have come.
02:43The brief story is that this meeting, which lasted for about an hour and a half,
02:47Mr. Irfan Siddiqui read out the official announcements.
02:53He is summarizing the entire discussion in his own words,
02:57that these are the announcements on which both agreed, and this is the proposal.
03:01So, the summary of today's Government Negotiating Committee is in the language of Mr. Irfan Siddiqui.
03:05You listen.
03:06Both the Negotiating Committees expressed their opinion,
03:10and declared today's meeting to be a very positive proposal.
03:15They expressed expectations that the Parliament is an important forum to solve problems,
03:19and that the negotiating should continue.
03:22The Opposition Committee presented its initial demands.
03:26It was decided that in the next meeting, the Opposition Committee
03:30will present its demands and conditions in writing,
03:35so that the conversation can be proceeded in the light of that agreement.
03:42It was decided that the next meeting will be held on 2nd January.
03:49One thing that is surprising is that this was the most important day for Pakistan's justice movement.
03:55But less than 50% of Pakistan's justice movement participated in this.
04:00In fact, Mr. Ayaz Sadiq said that,
04:04because some people did not come from the PTI,
04:08the next meeting will be held on 2nd January.
04:14Mr. Ayaz Sadiq, what did he say?
04:16Some members of the Opposition did not come today,
04:20so we have proposed the next meeting to be held on 2nd January.
04:29Let's talk about this.
04:32Mr. Allama Raja Nasir Abbas,
04:34the most important member of the PTI,
04:36the head of the Muslim Committee,
04:38is here with us today.
04:40Mr. Allama, assalamu alaikum.
04:44Wa alaikum salam.
04:46Thank you for taking the time.
04:48First of all, Mr. Allama,
04:50we have seen that Salman Raja was in Lahore,
04:54and could not reach.
04:56Umar Ayub was in Peshawar,
04:58and Hamid Khan was abroad.
05:01Obviously, there is nothing more important
05:03than this for the PTI.
05:05So, it was surprising,
05:07and Mr. Ghandapur,
05:09that these people did not come.
05:11It was expected that today,
05:13there would be full attendance
05:15from the PTI.
05:17What do you have to say about this?
05:21In the name of God,
05:23when Mr. Ayaz Sadiq contacted us,
05:25we were told that
05:27our people are not available today.
05:29They are in the courts,
05:31or outside Pakistan,
05:33or in the Cabinet.
05:35So, postpone the program for a day,
05:37so that the next day,
05:39everyone can come.
05:41So, they said,
05:43our people are not available tomorrow.
05:45So, all of your people are available,
05:47let us meet,
05:49start discussions,
05:51so that a good message
05:53will be sent to the people,
05:55and then we will sit together
05:58Okay.
06:00So, Mr. Allama,
06:02the new date,
06:04which is January 2nd,
06:06is very important.
06:08So, didn't you insist
06:10on postponing the program
06:12for 10 days?
06:16We told them to postpone it
06:18before January 2nd,
06:20but they said
06:22that our people
06:24are available on January 2nd,
06:27so we postponed it
06:29till January 2nd, next year.
06:31Okay.
06:33Mr. Allama,
06:35it was said that Pakistan Delegation
06:37will write down their demand.
06:39Obviously, PTI,
06:41you don't have to go to Mr. Khan
06:43and ask him,
06:45sir, what is the demand?
06:47All this has already been decided.
06:49So, this was also surprising.
06:51I mean, didn't Pakistan Delegation
06:53take a written Charter of Demand?
06:55The government is saying
06:57that they will write it down
06:59after 10 days.
07:01So, this could have been given
07:03to the government.
07:05Look, the committee was there.
07:07Secondly, we have not been able
07:09to meet Mr. Khan yet.
07:11It is very important
07:13to meet him first.
07:15As you know,
07:17if a friend goes to meet him,
07:19he is locked up in the police station.
07:21Until we meet Mr. Khan,
07:24we will not be able
07:26to meet him.
07:28I think it is very difficult
07:30to talk to him.
07:32If there is no leadership
07:34of any Jamaat,
07:36we cannot talk to him.
07:38These negotiations are very sensitive.
07:40Look, Pakistan is going through
07:42the worst time of its history.
07:44Political crisis,
07:46security crisis,
07:48economic crisis.
07:50Pakistan is a country
07:53that has lost trust
07:55in our government
07:57and institutions.
07:59Look,
08:01in these circumstances,
08:03on 26th November,
08:05the people who were investigating
08:07were shot,
08:09injured
08:11and martyred.
08:13So, I think
08:15this was the last resort.
08:17It seemed that
08:19our government
08:21could not tolerate
08:23one night
08:25and turned off the lights
08:27and started firing.
08:29Allama sahib,
08:31you should have done it earlier
08:33and not later.
08:35Everyone is saying
08:37that these are the two demands.
08:39You should have written them to the government.
08:41Look,
08:43Mr. Khan gave evidence
08:45of patriotism
08:47and talked about the negotiations.
08:50Now,
08:52God willing,
08:54if we can meet soon
08:56so that we can talk
08:58and sit down
09:00and clear things
09:02then we will move forward.
09:04Look,
09:06this is a very important time
09:08and a big opportunity
09:10for the government
09:12and for Pakistan.
09:14So, we should take advantage of it
09:16and be patient
09:19We have heard
09:21that you will meet tomorrow
09:23with Mr. Gandapur.
09:25Have you communicated with him?
09:27It is very good.
09:29If it is possible,
09:31it is very good.
09:33The committee is meeting
09:35and I am with you.
09:37If I get up now,
09:39then I will know
09:41what the situation is.
09:43So, the committee
09:45is meeting
09:47and the majority is present.
09:49I am thankful
09:51that you took out time
09:53from the committee meeting.
09:55Mr. Allama, did the government people
09:57request you
09:59to tweet about Mr. Khan
10:01so that the whole process
10:03is affected?
10:05Look,
10:07I did not hear
10:09that they tweeted about Mr. Khan.
10:11Look,
10:13even if there is a war
10:16and there are talks
10:18after big wars,
10:20Pakistan is in a very difficult situation.
10:22And the government
10:24should facilitate
10:26and be more serious
10:28and there should be
10:30some CBMs
10:32that there should be a good gesture.
10:34Look,
10:36there is a senator
10:38whose production order
10:40has not been continued yet.
10:42Similarly, he is not a terrorist.
10:45He is a terrorist.
10:47He is a good woman.
10:49He is a doctor.
10:51You can see his condition.
10:53There are other people too.
10:55Similarly, there are young boys
10:57who are in jail.
10:59So, there should be a good gesture.
11:01And those people
11:03who have been arrested
11:05and their future is being destroyed,
11:07they should think of them as their children,
11:09their people,
11:11their sons,
11:14and their future should be good.
11:16So, Mr. Allam, will Pakistan expect
11:18some CBMs in return?
11:20Of course, there are talks
11:22and CBMs from here and there.
11:24What CBMs do you expect from them?
11:26What CBMs will you be able to do on your own?
11:28Look,
11:30when there are talks,
11:32we try to find a solution.
11:34We move forward.
11:36Look,
11:38there is a distance between East and West.
11:40So, there should be patience
11:42and courage
11:44and love for our country
11:46and sincerity.
11:48And we should ask Allah
11:50for help
11:52so that we can overcome
11:54the difficulties of our country
11:56and put Pakistan back on the right track.
11:58So, will you be ready to do CBMs in return?
12:00Or will you be ready to give something to the government
12:02when this process moves forward?
12:04Look,
12:06what is there to give?
12:08Look,
12:11when we won the elections,
12:13we changed the no-frills policy
12:15through Form 47.
12:17You see, every day,
12:19new flyers are being cut
12:21and jellies are being cut
12:23and people are being arrested
12:25and embarrassed.
12:27We also said that
12:29in Punjab,
12:31the Yemenis are being arrested,
12:33embarrassed,
12:35tortured,
12:37and the MPAs are being
12:40arrested.
12:42They said,
12:44yes, they are right.
12:46The government should pay attention to this.
12:48And what do the law-abiding people say?
12:50They are the real government.
12:52They have heard these things.
12:54Now, we hope to see what happens.
12:56You know that,
12:58God willing,
13:00there should be good expectations.
13:02The coming days will tell
13:04how important Pakistan is
13:06for our politicians
13:08and for our people.
13:10I think it is a good thing
13:12to sit down and talk.
13:14It is a good thing to sit down
13:16and talk.
13:18And in your opinion,
13:20if they sit down,
13:22should they do it with authority
13:24and permission?
13:26I think, you know,
13:28in a country like Pakistan,
13:30the influence of our establishment
13:32is not in front of you.
13:34Whenever they want,
13:37I think,
13:39this is the history of Pakistan.
13:41The Prime Minister gets hanged
13:43because of the pressure of the government.
13:45Now, I think,
13:47we have nothing left to lose in Pakistan.
13:49So, do you think they have permission
13:51from the establishment?
13:53I think,
13:55without permission,
13:57I think,
13:59if they need permission,
14:01they should have it.
14:03If they don't,
14:06then it is a good thing.
14:08Mr. Allama,
14:10where is the civil disobedience
14:12when I am talking to you?
14:14When we meet Mr. Khan,
14:16then it will be clear for us.
14:18The meeting you mentioned
14:20in which you will go immediately
14:22after the segment ends,
14:24it is happening in Islamabad, right?
14:26This meeting?
14:28Yes, we are sitting in KPS.
14:30It has been a long time.
14:32Let's see what happens.
14:34Yes, we are sitting there.
14:36Yes, and this is the reason
14:38why he is here.
14:40Mr. Allama,
14:42this is a strange issue
14:44that social media is presenting.
14:46It started with the US
14:48saying that we are not their slaves.
14:50And today,
14:52the so-called US officials
14:54are tagging the US officials
14:56and filing complaints
14:58against them.
15:00They are asking the US
15:03to do something about it.
15:05It is a strange issue.
15:07Let me tell you my position.
15:09We are a sovereign country.
15:11No foreign country has the right
15:13to interfere in our internal affairs.
15:15We should order our own.
15:17We should not give space
15:19for others to interfere.
15:21Like the regime changed earlier.
15:23There is a history of US interference
15:25in Pakistan.
15:27Imran Khan does not need any support.
15:29Imran Khan's roots are in the people of Pakistan.
15:32He was not a popular political leader
15:34like Imran Khan.
15:36Imran Khan does not need anyone.
15:38The people of Pakistan are with him.
15:40And the people of Pakistan
15:42will get him out of jail
15:44and Pakistan will move forward.
15:46If the US got you out yesterday,
15:48it was wrong.
15:50And today,
15:52the US should not be involved
15:54in dislodging any government
15:56that is against you.
15:58In your opinion.
16:00Fundamental rights.
16:02Fundamental rights.
16:04Fundamental rights.
16:06Fundamental rights.
16:08Fundamental rights.
16:10Fundamental rights.
16:12Fundamental rights.
16:14Fundamental rights.
16:16Fundamental rights.
16:18Fundamental rights.
16:20Fundamental rights.
16:22Fundamental rights.
16:24Fundamental rights.
16:26Fundamental rights.
16:29Fundamental rights.
16:31Fundamental rights.
16:33Fundamental rights.
16:35Fundamental rights.
16:37Fundamental rights.
16:39Fundamental rights.
16:41Fundamental rights.
16:43Fundamental rights.
16:45Fundamental rights.
16:47Fundamental rights.
16:49Fundamental rights.
16:51Fundamental rights.
16:53Fundamental rights.
16:55Fundamental rights.
16:57Fundamental rights.
16:59Fundamental rights.
17:01Fundamental rights.
17:03Fundamental rights.
17:05Fundamental rights.
17:07Fundamental rights.
17:09Fundamental rights.
17:11Fundamental rights.
17:13Fundamental rights.
17:15Fundamental rights.
17:17Fundamental rights.
17:19Fundamental rights.
17:21Fundamental rights.
17:23Fundamental rights.
17:25Fundamental rights.
17:27Fundamental rights.
17:29Fundamental rights.
17:31Fundamental rights.
17:33Fundamental rights.
17:35Fundamental rights.
17:37Fundamental rights.
17:39Fundamental rights.
17:41Fundamental rights.
17:43Fundamental rights.
17:45Fundamental rights.
17:47Fundamental rights.
17:49Fundamental rights.
17:51Fundamental rights.
17:53Fundamental rights.
17:55Fundamental rights.
17:57Fundamental rights.
17:59Fundamental rights.
18:01Fundamental rights.
18:03Fundamental rights.
18:05Fundamental rights.
18:07Fundamental rights.
18:09Fundamental rights.
18:11Fundamental rights.
18:13Fundamental rights.
18:15Fundamental rights.
18:17Fundamental rights.
18:19Fundamental rights.
18:21Fundamental rights.
18:23Fundamental rights.
18:25Fundamental rights.
18:27Fundamental rights.
18:29Fundamental rights.
18:31Fundamental rights.
18:33Fundamental rights.
18:35Fundamental rights.
18:37Fundamental rights.
18:39Fundamental rights.
18:41Fundamental rights.
18:43Fundamental rights.
18:45Fundamental rights.
18:47Fundamental rights.
18:49Fundamental rights.
18:51Fundamental rights.
18:53Fundamental rights.
18:55Fundamental rights.
18:57Fundamental rights.
18:59Fundamental rights.
19:01Fundamental rights.
19:03Fundamental rights.
19:05Fundamental rights.
19:07Fundamental rights.
19:09Fundamental rights.
19:11Fundamental rights.
19:13Fundamental rights.
19:15Fundamental rights.
19:17Fundamental rights.
19:19Fundamental rights.
19:21Fundamental rights.
19:23Fundamental rights.
19:25Fundamental rights.
19:27Fundamental rights.
19:29Fundamental rights.
19:31Fundamental rights.
19:33Fundamental rights.
19:35Fundamental rights.
19:37Fundamental rights.
19:39Fundamental rights.
19:41Fundamental rights.
19:43Fundamental rights.
19:45Fundamental rights.
19:47Fundamental rights.
19:49Fundamental rights.
19:51Fundamental rights.
19:53Fundamental rights.
19:55Fundamental rights.
19:57Fundamental rights.
19:59Fundamental rights.
20:01Fundamental rights.
20:03Fundamental rights.
20:05Fundamental rights.
20:07Fundamental rights.
20:09Fundamental rights.
20:11Fundamental rights.
20:13Fundamental rights.
20:15Fundamental rights.
20:17Fundamental rights.
20:19Fundamental rights.
20:21Fundamental rights.
20:23Fundamental rights.
20:25Fundamental rights.
20:27Fundamental rights.
20:29Fundamental rights.
20:31Fundamental rights.
20:33Fundamental rights.
20:35Fundamental rights.
20:37Fundamental rights.
20:39Fundamental rights.
20:41Fundamental rights.
20:43Fundamental rights.
20:45Fundamental rights.
20:47Fundamental rights.
20:49Fundamental rights.
20:51Fundamental rights.
20:53Fundamental rights.
20:55Fundamental rights.
20:57Fundamental rights.
20:59Fundamental rights.
21:01Fundamental rights.
21:03Fundamental rights.
21:05Fundamental rights.
21:07Fundamental rights.
21:09Fundamental rights.
21:11Fundamental rights.
21:13Fundamental rights.
21:15Fundamental rights.
21:17Fundamental rights.
21:19Fundamental rights.
21:21Fundamental rights.
21:23Fundamental rights.
21:25Fundamental rights.
21:27Fundamental rights.
21:29Fundamental rights.
21:31Fundamental rights.
21:33Fundamental rights.
21:35Fundamental rights.
21:37Fundamental rights.
21:39Fundamental rights.
21:41Fundamental rights.
21:43Fundamental rights.
21:45Fundamental rights.
21:47Fundamental rights.
21:49Fundamental rights.
21:51Fundamental rights.
21:53Fundamental rights.
21:55Fundamental rights.
21:57Fundamental rights.
21:59Fundamental rights.
22:01Fundamental rights.
22:03Fundamental rights.
22:05Fundamental rights.
22:07Fundamental rights.
22:09Fundamental rights.
22:11Fundamental rights.
22:13Fundamental rights.
22:15Fundamental rights.
22:17Fundamental rights.
22:19Fundamental rights.
22:21Fundamental rights.
22:23Fundamental rights.
22:25Fundamental rights.
22:27Fundamental rights.
22:29Fundamental rights.
22:31Fundamental rights.
22:33Fundamental rights.
22:35Fundamental rights.
22:37Fundamental rights.
22:39Fundamental rights.
22:41Fundamental rights.
22:43Fundamental rights.
22:45Fundamental rights.
22:47Fundamental rights.
22:49Fundamental rights.
22:51Fundamental rights.
22:53Fundamental rights.
22:55Fundamental rights.
22:57Fundamental rights.
22:59Fundamental rights.
23:01Fundamental rights.
23:03Fundamental rights.
23:05Fundamental rights.
23:07Fundamental rights.
23:09Fundamental rights.
23:11Fundamental rights.
23:13Fundamental rights.
23:15Fundamental rights.
23:17Fundamental rights.
23:19Fundamental rights.
23:21Fundamental rights.
23:23Fundamental rights.
23:25Fundamental rights.
23:27Fundamental rights.
23:29Fundamental rights.
23:31Fundamental rights.
23:33Fundamental rights.
23:35Fundamental rights.
23:37Fundamental rights.
23:39Fundamental rights.
23:41Fundamental rights.
23:43Fundamental rights.
23:45Fundamental rights.
23:47Fundamental rights.
23:49Fundamental rights.
23:51Fundamental rights.
23:53Fundamental rights.
23:55Fundamental rights.
23:57Fundamental rights.
23:59Fundamental rights.
24:01Fundamental rights.
24:03Fundamental rights.
24:05Fundamental rights.
24:07Fundamental rights.
24:09Fundamental rights.
24:11Fundamental rights.
24:13Fundamental rights.
24:15Fundamental rights.
24:17Fundamental rights.
24:19Fundamental rights.
24:21Fundamental rights.
24:23Fundamental rights.
24:25Fundamental rights.
24:27Fundamental rights.
24:29Fundamental rights.
24:31Fundamental rights.
24:33Fundamental rights.
24:35Fundamental rights.
24:37Fundamental rights.
24:39Fundamental rights.
24:41Fundamental rights.
24:43Fundamental rights.
24:45Fundamental rights.
24:47Fundamental rights.
24:49Fundamental rights.
24:51Fundamental rights.
24:53Fundamental rights.
24:55Fundamental rights.
24:57Fundamental rights.
24:59Fundamental rights.
25:01Fundamental rights.
25:03Fundamental rights.
25:05Fundamental rights.
25:07Fundamental rights.
25:09Fundamental rights.
25:11Fundamental rights.
25:13Fundamental rights.
25:15Fundamental rights.
25:17Fundamental rights.
25:19Fundamental rights.
25:21Fundamental rights.
25:23Fundamental rights.
25:25Fundamental rights.
25:27Fundamental rights.
25:29Fundamental rights.
25:31Fundamental rights.
25:33Fundamental rights.
25:35Fundamental rights.
25:37Fundamental rights.
25:39Fundamental rights.
25:41Fundamental rights.
25:43Fundamental rights.
25:45Fundamental rights.
25:47Fundamental rights.
25:49Fundamental rights.
25:51Fundamental rights.
25:53Fundamental rights.
25:55Fundamental rights.
25:57Fundamental rights.
25:59Fundamental rights.
26:01Fundamental rights.
26:03Fundamental rights.
26:05Fundamental rights.
26:07Fundamental rights.
26:09Fundamental rights.
26:11Fundamental rights.
26:13Fundamental rights.
26:15Fundamental rights.
26:17Fundamental rights.
26:19Fundamental rights.
26:21Fundamental rights.
26:23Fundamental rights.
26:25Fundamental rights.
26:27Fundamental rights.
26:29Fundamental rights.
26:31Fundamental rights.
26:33Fundamental rights.
26:35Fundamental rights.
26:37Fundamental rights.
26:39Fundamental rights.
26:41Fundamental rights.
26:43Fundamental rights.
26:45Fundamental rights.
26:47Fundamental rights.
26:49Fundamental rights.
26:51Fundamental rights.
26:53Fundamental rights.
26:55Fundamental rights.
26:57Fundamental rights.
26:59Fundamental rights.
27:01Fundamental rights.
27:03Fundamental rights.
27:05Fundamental rights.
27:07Fundamental rights.
27:09Fundamental rights.
27:11Fundamental rights.
27:13Fundamental rights.
27:15Fundamental rights.
27:17Fundamental rights.
27:19Fundamental rights.
27:21Fundamental rights.
27:23Fundamental rights.
27:25Fundamental rights.
27:27Fundamental rights.
27:29Fundamental rights.
27:31Fundamental rights.
27:33Fundamental rights.
27:35Fundamental rights.
27:37Fundamental rights.
27:39Fundamental rights.
27:41Let's take a short break.
27:43Let's talk about today's discussions.
27:45What do you think is the best exercise?
27:47Or is there no benefit to it?
27:49There are many other perspectives.
27:51Let's talk about that.
27:53Let's take a short break.
27:55Welcome once again,
27:57Mr. Fawad Chaudhary is with us.
27:59Mr. Fawad,
28:01can you tell us,
28:03as an analyst,
28:05or a political analyst,
28:07what do you think,
28:09is today's discussion
28:11a good start
28:13to the discussion?
28:15Or is it just a start?
28:17Look,
28:19you can
28:21guess
28:23that this round
28:25of negotiations
28:27is not the first round.
28:29The first round
28:31has started.
28:33The politicians
28:35who are sitting here
28:37are talking.
28:39Look at what Irfan Siddiqui
28:41was saying a few days ago.
28:43If you look at his statements,
28:45it's not possible.
28:47And what was
28:49Mr. Ishaq Dar saying.
28:51And Mr. Ayaaz Sadiq,
28:53I respect him personally,
28:55but look at
28:57how 10 people from his parliament
28:59took the MLA and took him away.
29:01And he couldn't change anything.
29:03So, the negotiations
29:05are obviously
29:07happening after the permission.
29:09And before the permission,
29:11there was a negotiation.
29:13Mr. Naqeeb had gone
29:15to Peshawar,
29:17and Ali Ameen Ghandakur
29:19was also missing
29:21for two and a half hours.
29:23And after that,
29:25he has also gone to other places
29:27and had meetings.
29:29And I think
29:31these negotiations are going
29:33very well.
29:35And along with that,
29:37you can see that the European Union
29:39has made a statement in the morning.
29:41The UK has made a statement.
29:43And by morning,
29:45you will see that the USA will also
29:47make a statement on the military courts.
29:49So, the international pressure
29:51is also mounting.
29:53And I think it's real.
29:55And as you move towards
29:5720th January,
29:59this pressure will increase.
30:01What is the biggest factor
30:03that is happening now
30:05and was not happening before
30:07that has changed the attitude
30:09of the other side so much
30:11that everyone has come
30:13to the negotiating table?
30:15Obviously.
30:17But when we say
30:19that America is a superpower,
30:21you see that
30:23its election
30:25is not only for America.
30:27They have tweeted
30:29that the government of Canada has shaken.
30:31Secondly, they criticized
30:33the German government.
30:35So, you know
30:37that America is
30:39the king of
30:41the world chess
30:43at the moment.
30:45So, America will
30:47change their government.
30:49Will this regime change?
30:51I don't know
30:53if changing is a priority
30:55or not.
30:57In any case,
30:59it is Trump's priority
31:01to change the government
31:03of Biden.
31:05And this is another reality
31:07that America is openly
31:09saying that
31:11the Biden administration
31:13had a big role in changing
31:15the government of Pakistan.
31:17And this is enough to show
31:19a red flag to the Trump government.
31:21Can Trump play a major role
31:23in Khan's release?
31:25Well,
31:27it is obvious that
31:29Khan will not say
31:31that he will come
31:33with an intervention.
31:35But there are some realities
31:37and we have to accept them.
31:39And obviously,
31:41the Trump factor is a very important factor.
31:43No one can ignore that in Pakistan.
31:45So,
31:47if someone
31:49says, being devil's advocate,
31:51that the advice
31:53that you are giving is wrong,
31:55it is because there is no change.
31:57The change is that the government
31:59has been saying for so long
32:01that you should talk to us.
32:03You are saying it with a false face.
32:05You are not saying it from your heart.
32:07There are hundreds of statements
32:09of Mr. Harari.
32:11The PTI has declared independence
32:13for the first time.
32:15The PTI has formed a negotiating committee
32:17for the first time.
32:19The PTI has talked about it
32:21for the first time.
32:23The first round of negotiations
32:25was from the establishment.
32:27So, we have reached the second round.
32:29So, it is obvious
32:31that how things will move forward from here.
32:33Let's see.
32:35If you see,
32:37the situation in Pakistan
32:39is very tense.
32:41One benefit of negotiations
32:43will definitely be that the tensions will be reduced.
32:45May Allah make these meetings
32:47of this committee with Mr. Khan
32:49frequent.
32:55The problem is that
32:57when you put Imran Khan in a death cell
32:59and turn off the lights
33:01and turn off the TV,
33:03there is bitterness.
33:05We need to take care of that as well.
33:07He is a former Prime Minister.
33:09Give him his rights.
33:11Then there are other people like
33:13Shah Mahmood Qureshi,
33:15Yasmin Rashid,
33:17and others.
33:19By giving them relief,
33:21the temperature will come down.
33:23Along with this,
33:25the 700 Pakhtun workers
33:27who have been arrested
33:29and sent to the Punjab jails,
33:31it is very cruel.
33:33They are poor people.
33:35They should be released immediately.
33:37So, these are some factors.
33:39If the government goes this way till 2nd January
33:41and something happens,
33:43I think the temperature will come down.
33:45In these circumstances,
33:47do you think the government should take a step forward
33:49so that the atmosphere is civilized for negotiations?
33:51They have said that
33:53they are not taking any steps.
33:55The government has shown seriousness.
33:57If we meet Mr. Khan tomorrow,
33:59he will give us
34:01a point of view.
34:03Let's hope
34:05that
34:07that point of view
34:09is positive
34:11so that we can move forward.
34:13If the government
34:15sits again on 2nd January,
34:17the atmosphere will be better.
34:19But, as I said earlier,
34:21if they give relief to the political prisoners,
34:23the atmosphere will come down.
34:25If you shift Imran Khan
34:27to class A,
34:29the atmosphere will be better.
34:31But, Mr. Fawad,
34:33this is a possibility.
34:35Knowing Mr. Khan's temperament,
34:37he does not have access to information.
34:39Based on any opinion,
34:41it will be better
34:43if the situation gets worse.
34:45You were a part of such an activity
34:47when after the budget,
34:49the election date and position
34:51were met by the PDM.
34:53You were there,
34:55Mr. Qureshi,
34:57and Mr. Ali Zafar.
34:59You took the date from the government
35:01that the election will be held after the budget.
35:03You thought it was great
35:05and you should celebrate it.
35:07Mr. Khan said,
35:09the situation got worse.
35:11It happened, right?
35:13Yes, it did.
35:15So, if this part 2 is done,
35:17the program will not be able to continue.
35:19The thing is,
35:21politics is like a flowing river.
35:23There are new events,
35:25new things come up,
35:27new facts come out in front of you.
35:29I think that
35:31if we do not succeed
35:33in bringing down the temperature
35:35in Pakistan,
35:37there will be an increase
35:39in the difficulties of Pakistan.
35:41The main problem is that
35:43the PTI is not managing the revolution
35:45and the government and establishment
35:47is not managing Imran Khan.
35:49Either one of the two parties
35:51will succeed,
35:53but they will not.
35:55So, Pakistan is suffering.
35:57That is why,
35:59somewhere in the middle,
36:01you are bringing it.
36:07I am sorry.
36:09I cannot hear you.
36:11Please, don't say anything.
36:15I am taking a short break.
36:17I cannot hear you.
36:19I am taking a short break.
36:29Welcome.
36:31Mr. Fawad, let's conclude
36:33with a few things.
36:35You are saying that
36:37the opposition parties
36:39should work together
36:41and try to bring
36:43Maulana Sahib
36:45and Acharya Singh
36:47together.
36:49Do you think
36:51that if the Muzakirati committee
36:53had this atmosphere,
36:55it would have increased a lot?
36:57Would it have increased a lot
36:59if Maulana Sahib
37:01and Acharya Singh
37:03had come together?
37:05If I was advising
37:07PTI to Mr. Khan,
37:09my advice would have been
37:11to not have a direct Muzakirat.
37:13Maulana Fazlur Rehman
37:15and Acharya Singh
37:17should have started the Muzakirat
37:19so that the government
37:21and the opposition
37:23could have a minimum
37:25and the opposition
37:27could have a Muzakirat.
37:29The problem is that
37:31the parties involved in the Muzakirat
37:33are also against you.
37:35The parties in the opposition
37:37are also against you.
37:39The establishment is also against you.
37:41Politics is not like that.
37:43In this, you can fight
37:45for personal fights.
37:47For political fights,
37:49you need groups.
37:51This is a big failure.
37:53If you tell me
37:55the two biggest failures
37:57of PTI,
37:59one is that they did not
38:01launch a protest on 9th February
38:03and the other is that
38:05they did not form an alliance.
38:07Obviously, because of this,
38:09PTI does not take all
38:11in parliamentary form of government.
38:13Here, you have to form alliances
38:15so that your weight increases.
38:17I think this is a big advantage
38:19for Mr. Zardari
38:21and Nawaz Sharif
38:23that they are not taking
38:25a take-all position
38:27and they are not
38:29taking a take-all position.
38:31Because of this,
38:33the problem of PTI
38:35in practical politics
38:37is this.
38:39It is not just on Twitter
38:41that you have to do politics.
38:43In these circumstances,
38:45the decision not to come today,
38:47about which some court
38:49reporters were saying,
38:51there is an important aspect
38:53that in this case,
38:55it never happened.
38:57It never happened.
38:59So, in a way,
39:01this is also indicating
39:03that something is going on.
39:05It is not necessary
39:07for a case to be decided
39:09to enter Pakistan.
39:11You can go for any reason.
39:13But, anyway,
39:15I think this is also a good gesture
39:17for the government
39:19to do something.
39:21If there is such an arrest
39:23then, of course,
39:25the bitterness will increase.
39:27And it was necessary
39:29to reduce it.
39:31And I tell you,
39:33the political prisoners
39:35inside us,
39:37they should be relieved
39:39instead of creating
39:41more political prisoners.
39:43Okay, but Mr. Fawad,
39:45just to understand,
39:47because this is a
39:49very interesting case study,
39:51I was talking to the PDM
39:53and you were saying to hold elections.
39:55There was a debate committee.
39:57The debate started.
39:59And finally, you succeeded
40:01in taking a date.
40:03So, what was exactly
40:05in Mr. Khan's mind
40:07because of which
40:09he said, no,
40:11this is not acceptable.
40:13You felt that you had
40:15done a great victory.
40:17You could not have
40:19talked to Mr. Khan
40:21in any environment
40:23so that I could ask him
40:25what was the reason.
40:27Because the truth is
40:29that I did not understand
40:31anything because
40:33there was only one condition
40:35that he was saying
40:37that even after 10 days
40:39of Qazi Faiz Issa's retirement,
40:41you should hold elections.
40:43That is, the election
40:45of Umar Atta Bandiyal
40:47should be held after 10 days.
40:49And maybe someone said
40:51that when Mr. Faiz Issa comes,
40:53he will stop it.
40:55But I think that the campaign
40:57would have gone so far
40:59that no one could have
41:01stopped the election process.
41:03And the PTA was very high
41:05in the election.
41:07If you ask me personally,
41:09I think it was a very big
41:11opportunity that we missed.
41:13But anyway, there must be
41:15a political scenario
41:17that would have been different.
41:19Yes, it would have been
41:21completely different.
41:23There are many things in between.
41:25You did not think that you would
41:27get an election.
41:29Even before that,
41:31if I look at it
41:33in hindsight,
41:35our first long march
41:37at that time,
41:39if we had gone back,
41:41we would have got an election.
41:43But I think again,
41:45the take-all positions
41:47have to be given a price.
41:49Mr. Fawad, many of your party's
41:51right-wingers whisper in our ears
41:53that Fawad and a few other people
41:55have made such big decisions
41:57with Mr. Khan.
41:59Do you take responsibility?
42:01But I still think that
42:03breaking the assembly
42:05and coming out of the assembly
42:07is because of these big
42:09political decisions.
42:11Because if we had stayed
42:13in the assembly,
42:15where would our people have been?
42:17What happened in GB,
42:19in Kashmir, all the parliamentary
42:21parties have now disbanded.
42:23Your MLAs and MTAs are now
42:25involved in committees,
42:27outside parties,
42:29and you can never create
42:31that movement that you
42:33are riding on two boats.
42:35It is because of these decisions
42:37that PTI is PTI today.
42:39Mr. Fawad, I would like to answer
42:41my own question.
42:43Many people say that
42:45Mr. Fawad is an innocent man.
42:47Mr. Nawaz Sharif and Mr. Ayaz Sadiq
42:49told you that they will
42:51get you elected.
42:53But they don't get you elected.
42:55They fool you.
42:57Mr. Khan made the right decision.
42:59What do you have to say?
43:01It is possible.
43:03But I personally think that
43:05once the election process
43:07and the interim government
43:09is in place, then what was
43:11Mr. Nawaz Sharif's interest?
43:13And that interim government
43:15was not going to be
43:17the same as the one he created.
43:19You had to make a better
43:21government and to run that
43:23government, we were not
43:25interested in extending it.
43:27But nonetheless,
43:29as I said,
43:31Mr. Khan would have had
43:33a point of view on this.
43:35But there was no discussion.
43:37But you will pray that
43:39such a thought does not
43:41come to Mr. Khan's mind in the
43:43next few weeks, right?
43:45You will pray that such a thought
43:47does not come to Mr. Khan's
43:49mind in the next few weeks.
43:51We will see how it goes.
43:53But I hope that
43:55the international pressure
43:57that is being built in Pakistan
43:59is due to the government's
44:01compulsion to conclude it.
44:03It will not be easy for the government
44:05to get out of these negotiations.
44:07And the current situation
44:09of the PTI,
44:11the cruelty, brutality,
44:13cruelty that has been going on
44:15for the past two years,
44:17can no longer be tolerated.
44:19So I hope that these negotiations
44:21will succeed.
Recommended
40:19
|
Up next