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00:00We are talking to you about the most ridiculous final score I think that I can ever remember.
00:0612-6 in a game the 49ers absolutely had to have.
00:128-8, 9-5-7, 9-5-70 on the emotions that you felt as this one ended last night.
00:20And check this out.
00:21With regard to emotions, let's just get a small smattering of what the 49er players
00:28were feeling about the Devondre Campbell situation.
00:30Devondre was needed.
00:31He was asked to go in the game.
00:33Dre Greenlaw had to come out.
00:35Dee Winters was hurt.
00:37You had Flanagan Fowles who was out there.
00:39Also a little dinged up, overworked, and not starting level linebacker.
00:45And Devondre in his feelings because of the way the lineup cards worked with Dre Greenlaw
00:51coming back told the team, I'm not going in.
00:55And if he had said this two days ago, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal.
00:58Still a big deal, but not as big of a deal.
01:00But to do it in the middle of a game when injured players are playing really set the
01:05Niner locker room on fire.
01:07Here's what George Kittle said.
01:10I didn't really hear anything about it until I got in the locker room.
01:11So it's all brand new information to me.
01:14Look, if you're on the roster and you're suit up, you're expected to play.
01:19I think anyone in this building that got asked to go in, I would say 100% of everybody would
01:24die to get on that football field.
01:27And so people go through or going through random things off the field.
01:32I can't speak on that.
01:33Whatever his decision was, it wasn't for this organization.
01:38It wasn't for this team.
01:40And that's on him.
01:42So not very happy about it.
01:44I would have something to say.
01:45I wish I would have heard about it on the field, but I didn't.
01:48Is that the reason we lost?
01:49Absolutely not.
01:50But it's hard to win football games when someone doesn't want to play football, especially
01:54when you're suited up.
01:55It kind of puts you down, especially when you lose two linebackers.
01:59And it could address another one.
02:01One more from George Kittle.
02:02That is one person who just decided not to play for his teammates.
02:09And I don't think that doesn't make our offense look like, wow, man, we're falling apart.
02:15It's more of the defense, hey, we're falling apart.
02:18It's more of one person making a, like Mooney said, a selfish decision.
02:24And I'm with Mooney on that.
02:25And I I've never been around anybody that's ever done that.
02:29And I hope I'm never on anybody that does that again.
02:31OK, I mean, there's your statement.
02:33I've never been around that, and I hope I never am again.
02:36Yeah, that's all you need.
02:38Devondra Campbell needs to be gone.
02:41It needs to be gone.
02:41This needs to be as firm.
02:42I'm actually surprised.
02:44And we'll play for you what Kyle said today in just a minute.
02:48I'm a little surprised that we haven't gotten something definitive already.
02:53Well, the words have been made and the statement has been made and the action will be taken.
02:57But I do think that there is a certain procedure that has to be enacted.
03:02And there's a certain amount of time.
03:05I don't think it does you any good to just go ahead and make the move right now.
03:09There are other ways to go about it.
03:11And it's pretty clear that he will never play for the 49ers again.
03:14From the words from Kittle and from Fred Warner and everyone else who spoke, Kyle Shanahan,
03:19he's not going to play for the Niners again.
03:21How do you go about making that the best possible exit for you?
03:26Forget him.
03:27Forget the player.
03:27It's about you, the team.
03:29And I do think that there are other ways to go about it that have the same net result,
03:35which is he'll never play for the Niners again.
03:37So you play on Thursday.
03:39This happens.
03:40You wake up on Friday and you realize he's not going to be a Niner again.
03:43You wait until the end of week 15.
03:45Then you come out and you suspend him for a week without pay.
03:49Conduct detrimental to the team.
03:51Easy to do.
03:52The union won't fight it.
03:53And at the end of week 16, then you go out and you cut him.
03:56That to me is the easiest and the most professional way to go about doing it.
04:01If you cut him right now, I don't think he can play this week, even if another team wanted
04:05him.
04:06But come next week, he could latch on to another team.
04:09Maybe he becomes a Miami Dolphin and he runs to Mike McDaniel and tells him all about all
04:13the things that he knows about the team.
04:15And what are the Niners really losing there, seeing as you and others have already said
04:19it'd be better for them to lose these games on the way out the door.
04:22I hear everything you're saying, and I'm just not worried about it.
04:27I'm not worried if he plays for someone else.
04:29The only thing I'd be worried about, what I don't know, is if there are some sort of
04:33financial ramifications for just cutting him today.
04:37But I would have cut him today.
04:39I mean, listen to Mooney Ward.
04:40Listen to this.
04:42I mean, he's a professional.
04:43He's been playing for a long time.
04:44I mean, if he didn't want to play, he shouldn't have dressed up.
04:46They could have told him that before the game.
04:48So I feel like there was some sucker s*** that he did definitely hurt the team because,
04:52you know, D went down and we needed a linebacker.
04:56You know, and I think Flanders lined up too.
04:59So for him to do that, that's some sucker s*** to me, in my opinion.
05:03Like, he's probably going to get cut soon.
05:05So, you know, it is what it is with that.
05:08That's some sucker s*** and he's probably going to get cut soon.
05:11You're right.
05:12I've never heard a player say that about a teammate in a locker room.
05:16He's going to get cut soon.
05:18Well, that's some sucker s*** is what that is.
05:20And I wonder if he left the locker room before the game was over,
05:24because I know that the reports were that he went back to the locker room after Kyle
05:27went up to him and said, so you're not going to play and stuff?
05:30And he said, no.
05:30And Kyle's like, OK.
05:32Kyle basically went on about coaching the game.
05:35And at that point, Campbell goes back to the locker room.
05:38I would imagine that he dressed and got his stuff together and left before the fellas came.
05:42I would imagine so.
05:44I would imagine so, if he was smart.
05:47So those wanting to know what happens next,
05:51here's as much as Kyle Shanahan was willing to say today with regard to the situation.
05:57Kyle, what are your plans to do with Devontae Campbell?
06:02We're working through the semantics of exactly how to deal with it.
06:05But I mean, you guys heard from me last night.
06:07You guys heard from our players, like his actions from the game.
06:10Is that something you can do to your team or your teammates
06:13that still have to be a part of our team?
06:15So we're working through exactly the semantics of it right now,
06:17but we'll handle the situation appropriately.
06:20Has there been any contact with him, Kyle?
06:22Has he further explained if anything was going on, why he did that?
06:27No.
06:28Kyle, when Fred had to leave in the second quarter,
06:32Flanagan Fowles went in instead of Campbell to replace him.
06:36I mean, did you have any sense before that they may have been off with Devontae?
06:41Why didn't he go in for that snap and might have Flanagan Fowles?
06:45Fred?
06:46Because he wasn't by the teammates at all and was distant from everyone.
06:49I didn't know this until the third quarter.
06:51Dre came out and D went in.
06:52And then I got on the defense and said, what's going on?
06:55And then the coaches told me.
06:56And then I addressed Devontae and found out.
06:59And it was pretty simple to see how he was.
07:01And then we moved on with our lives after that.
07:03All right.
07:04And I mean, I'm satisfied by the first answer.
07:06He said, we're working through the semantics of it, the language of it, I guess.
07:11But he flat out said, that's not something you do and get to still be a part of our team.
07:18So, I mean, Devontae is gone.
07:20And I don't think it's going to be a matter of weeks.
07:24I think it's probably going to be a matter of hours.
07:26Probably Monday.
07:27And it's, you know, the semantics of it for me is having to work through exactly what you're
07:32allowed to do, when you're allowed to do it, and what sort of roster maneuver you can make.
07:38Because clearly, when you do cut him, whether it happens today or not until the week is over
07:43on Monday, you're going to need to elevate somebody from the practice squad, which means
07:47you've got an opening on the practice squad.
07:48And so you want to find somebody to fill that vacancy as well.
07:52So it's not as easy as, I'm mad at you, you're cut.
07:56Well, you can do that.
07:57But there are certain other ways you can go about it.
07:59Like I was mentioning, you can suspend him for a week without pay, at which point you
08:04can elevate somebody off the practice squad.
08:06You can go through those procedures while still having him technically a part of your team.
08:11Kyle, I was asked directly if Devandre has any chance to be on the 49ers going forward.
08:17Listen to this exchange.
08:18Kyle, just to be clear, you don't expect Devandre Campbell to be on the team
08:22week 16 and beyond?
08:24No, I don't.
08:25No, I don't.
08:26So, that's that.
08:28And this update from 5-1-0 on the Comcast Business text line, Campbell was cut off the
08:35team in my franchise mode on Madden immediately last night.
08:39So, in the East Bay, Devandre Campbell was cut there too.
08:43Off of Madden.
08:44So, there you go.
08:45And his Madden team immediately got better, I would imagine.
08:48I would imagine, at least as enough players.
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09:05Hey, Mike in Santa Clara, what are you doing, man?
09:09Uh, not too much, man.
09:10I'm actually just about to get home from work and everything.
09:13So, you know, I was going to talk about one thing, but I'm just going to make it very
09:20brief because I want to pivot to this Campbell thing.
09:23One thing I was going to make mention of is, I just, you know, with the defense, the back
09:28field, the defense has a lot of work to be revolutionized, if you want to say.
09:35But I want to see what they do with the defensive backfield.
09:40I do want them to stop looking into, and again, obviously changing the scheme up,
09:47depending on if it's still going to be the same D.C. or a different one.
09:51But I want them to look at, instead of a box safety, I want them to actually look into
09:56and maybe going into more of a true safety, strong safety, free safety kind of format
10:02in that case.
10:03So that was the one thing I was going to say about that.
10:05But I wanted to pivot to this Campbell thing.
10:08You know, out of anything, this guy literally just shot himself in the foot.
10:14You know, he made it, he's selfish.
10:18He didn't want to play.
10:20And the fact that, you know, other teams are going to see this, it's going to stand towards
10:24his character as a teammate on a football team.
10:29You're just looking out for yourself.
10:30And I understand, you know, maybe you just didn't want to play because you already knew
10:34that the season was potentially done with or what.
10:37But at the same time, you know, other teams are going to look at that.
10:41They're going to see you as a quitter.
10:43So I just think that this guy literally shot himself in the foot for any team, and he just
10:48ruined his career in regards to getting a bigger payday than what he should have gotten.
10:54Thanks, guys.
10:55Yeah, Mike, I agree.
10:56I don't know.
10:57Do you agree with this?
10:58I don't think he ever plays for anyone ever again.
11:00No career over.
11:01Yeah, I mean, how could you?
11:02It's one thing if you are a really good player.
11:05And I think about Antonio Brown, who kind of did what he did in Pittsburgh, and he violated
11:10the locker room protocol.
11:11And he went on Facebook, Facebook Live.
11:13I think it was might have been Periscope.
11:15Shout out the scope.
11:16And he did what he did, but he was still a really talented player.
11:20And so the Raiders thought, oh, you know what?
11:21We could really use him and we can fix him.
11:24And well, it turned out you didn't.
11:25Devandre Campbell is not that he's a middling, fledgling, fringe, borderline NFL player anyway.
11:33And now you up and quit on a team in their hour of need.
11:37It's one thing if you're super talented, you're given a second chance and a third chance when
11:42you're Devandre Campbell.
11:43This was your chance, bro.
11:44Yeah, I think you're underselling who he's been in the league a little bit, but it's
11:49who he is now.
11:50Yeah, he's been a good player, but he's what, 31 years old.
11:54September 9th is the night the Niners played the Jets.
11:58Okay, September 9th, Devandre's Twitter.
12:02Thankful for every opportunity I get to suit up and take the field.
12:09Thank you, God.
12:11Prayer hands emoji.
12:14Yeah.
12:15Any tweets from last night?
12:17I don't think so.
12:19Thankful for every chance I get to leave in the third quarter and go get warm and dry.
12:24Yeah.
12:25Prayer hands emoji.
12:26Umbrella emoji.
12:27Most recent tweet was nine days ago, and he wrote, no matter what you do in life, people
12:34are going to have an opinion about you, so you might as well just do it your own way
12:38and live with the results.
12:39There you go.
12:39Well, that one works pretty well, doesn't it?
12:41Yep.
12:42You're damn right we got an opinion about you, and you're going to live with the results
12:46too.
12:46He's doing it his own way.
12:47He sure did.
12:48Which is almost unheard of.
12:50Yeah, there's a reason it's unheard of.
12:52It doesn't work.
12:53But that's fine.
12:53Especially with football.
12:54Yeah, maybe he doesn't want to play football anymore.
12:56Right.
12:56Maybe not anymore at all.
12:58I don't know.
12:59He's been around for a while.
13:00He's made enough money.
13:01Maybe he doesn't want to play anymore.
13:03Well, he didn't want to play last night, and that's all you need to know.
13:05And you got a situation where you've played the fourth most snaps out of your entire team.
13:12All year.
13:12So, Mark, that's the thing that sticks with me.
13:14It's not like you were getting screwed all year, and this is a straw that broke the camel's
13:18back.
13:19Dude, you've played 87% of the snaps.
13:21That sticks.
13:22But here's the secondary part of that, which I would want.
13:25Like, if I don't know Devondre, if he were sitting in front of us right now, my number
13:32one question.
13:33Dude, what did you think was happening when Dre got healthy?
13:38Like, I don't care if the Niners told you, emailed you, texted you, didn't tell you.
13:46I have no idea how that went down when he signed.
13:50But you should have assumed.
13:53You should have known.
13:55When Dre Greenlaw is healthy, I am going to the bench because Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw
14:03are on this team.
14:04And I am not playing over those dudes if they're healthy.
14:09Period.
14:10How do you not know that?
14:13How?
14:13Well, and there's the other part about special teams where, you know, he played a lot of
14:18special teams this year, and so you can still make an impact on a football team.
14:22If you're a member of a team, then yeah, you go out there and you get the job done.
14:27Mark Grandy filled in for me so capably and eloquently when I was dealing with my voice
14:33and my sickness last week.
14:34And he knew that when I get healthy, he goes not to the bench, but he goes back to his
14:39usual spot.
14:40He's still showing up and still doing great because he's a team guy and he understands
14:44it.
14:44And it's the same thing with Devondre Campbell.
14:46They told him for sure up front when they signed him, and he knew.
14:50He watched the Super Bowl, and he knows that they've got Warner and Greenlaw ahead of him.
14:55It's a wonderful point.
14:57I will say you do not know what Mark Grandy said to me after that show last week.
15:02I'll just leave it at that.
15:03He probably said, now let's get dibs even sicker.
15:06I like it in here.
15:08Something like that.
15:10I know, Grandy.
15:11And there was more.
15:13But anyway, Sean in Petaluma.
15:15Hi, Sean.
15:15What are you doing?
15:18Hey, man.
15:18I'm with Sean, and I had to take the day off today because I lost.
15:21It hurt me so bad.
15:22But hey, let me just say this.
15:24As soon as they showed the Trent that wasn't Trent, I already knew it was bad for us.
15:30You know what I'm saying?
15:31And as far as Zeebo is concerned, it's very interesting that after the tweet, they kept
15:36feeding him the ball.
15:37And it's only fitting that he dropped every single one of them.
15:42You know?
15:43And he just got punked out.
15:45And we lost this game today because of Purdy, which is actually the only time that that's
15:51happened.
15:52You know, this is the only time that he actually was the one that kind of cost us.
15:57Now, there is other things with that that throw in the end zone.
16:00That's like, what did it, you know?
16:03And he hasn't done that before.
16:04And then as far as the Campbell thing is, just let him go.
16:07You know what I mean?
16:08Like, this is the NFL.
16:09You know, like, you didn't pay millions of dollars.
16:11It's like, there's people that would kill to just be a third string kicker.
16:16You know, I know I would be.
16:18You know what I'm saying?
16:18So it's like, you know, if you want to walk, there's somebody that will replace you.
16:22And I think it's almost not a blessing, but kind of a blessing that we lost because now
16:29we can just think about next year and just regroup.
16:32And to see Greenwald out there, that energy, like, wow.
16:37Imagine if we had that from game one.
16:39You know, that's all I got to say.
16:41Thanks.
16:42Yeah, look, Purdy is on, is pretty high on my list too.
16:46But I do, his shoulders start to move around a little bit when I say, when I hear him say,
16:52they lost this game because of Purdy.
16:55I put Purdy very, very high on the list.
16:57The interception to me is certainly the play that put you in the darkest hole late in the game.
17:07But I think Debo is number one on the list.
17:12I'd put Brock ahead of Debo, for sure.
17:14Okay.
17:15I mean, Brock, there was a number of throws that Brock missed.
17:18There were a number of throws that were open that he didn't choose to make.
17:21And a number of throws that were dropped, and that was a touchdown pass.
17:26As far as targeting Debo, more than you would have, 10 plays from scrimmage.
17:31The first 10 plays from scrimmage, four of them went to Debo.
17:35And on one of the other ones that didn't go to Debo, Debo actually made a tackle
17:39on Isaac Garendo, if you remember that play.
17:42So there was, the opening play is a throw to Debo, incomplete.
17:46Third and sixth, they run it to Debo.
17:48And in my notes, I wrote, why?
17:50Why?
17:51So here's something that I was thinking about earlier.
17:54And I wonder what you think about this.
17:56For those who think that the Niners were, quote, force-feeding Debo because he tweeted,
18:00I wonder if it's a little bit more organic than that.
18:03In other words, I don't know that the 49ers are like, all right, here we go.
18:07He tweeted, we have got to just almost exclusively go to Debo early in the game.
18:11But I do think if you're Brock Purdy, organically, there may be this pit in your stomach of,
18:19let's see if we can get him involved early.
18:22And therefore, you might have multiple options.
18:24It's not like definitely going to Debo.
18:27But you might go, yeah, let's kind of, I'm going to lean Debo because we do.
18:32We want him involved.
18:33We want to get him a play.
18:34Let's get him feeling good.
18:36And obviously, it only got worse until the third quarter when then it became,
18:42I would argue, the signature bad play of Debo's career.
18:46Yeah, perhaps I'd have to go back through the Rolodex of all the plays.
18:49But that was a bad one because you catch it.
18:51You most likely go in, or at least you get inside the five.
18:54You probably get to the pylon, and it's a touchdown, and you go up 10-3.
18:58And the game feels a little bit different.
19:01But I do think that what you're saying is more accurate.
19:04Maybe it wasn't organic, but you want to get Debo going.
19:07And you know that you get him the ball, you get him involved.
19:10And if you can get him rolling a little bit, he's going to feel better.
19:13Maybe it's in light of the tweet.
19:14Maybe it's just knowing who he is as a player and a guy who he wants the ball.
19:20He wants to contribute.
19:21But I look at those first three drives, and the one thing that strikes me is Kittle.
19:26The second possession, you get a 33-yard hit to Kittle down the middle.
19:30And you try to throw it to him again in the next possession on third and four.
19:34You threw a deep ball to Kittle.
19:36After that, I didn't see a lot of Kittle in the game plan.
19:39And Jawan Jennings wasn't really featured at all in the game plan.
19:43Well, I mean, how many catches did Jawan end up with?
19:46Three, four?
19:47I think that's right.
19:48Let me find it here.
19:49And he had two drops also.
19:51I know one of them, that's a little hefty of a word to use.
19:54But I mean...
19:54Two catches.
19:55He only had two?
19:56Yep.
19:56I got one as a drop.
19:57Well...
19:58Nine targets.
19:59Yeah.
19:59Statistically, maybe only one of them's a drop.
20:02But the third down over the middle, he has to sort of like...
20:07It's a sliding catch, not a dive.
20:10It was a great throw.
20:11It was a very good throw.
20:12And it hit him in the numbers, but it was a sliding, difficult catch.
20:15I will tell you, if you ask Jawan, he'll tell you he had two drops.
20:19Yeah.
20:20That's a ball that he absolutely believes.
20:23And I kept my eyes on him when he went to the sideline after it.
20:25He practically threw his helmet.
20:27He was furious with himself.
20:28Because it would have been, by the way, a first down in the high red zone.
20:33And...
20:33I think that was third and nine at the 50.
20:36Yeah.
20:36And again, that's one I put in my notes was...
20:39Juice was open.
20:41And it was a tough throw.
20:42And he slid and tried to get it.
20:44And it was incomplete.
20:45But he nailed a receiver in the chest, though.
20:47I got no problem with that.
20:48I don't know if that's in the chest.
20:49I mean, if he's sliding...
20:50No, but I mean, that was just the nature of the play.
20:53It wasn't like I had to dive because it's low.
20:56That's where it was purposefully put.
20:57Yeah, I'll punch it up in the All-22.
20:59Yeah, take a look at it.
21:00I was going back to your Pukanukuwa call.
21:03And it was Hufanga, actually, who was the deep safety on that side.
21:07No, it was Gibson.
21:08I'll show you the play.
21:09I will too.
21:09They're playing cover two.
21:11And Gibson's on the other side of the field.
21:12I know.
21:13He's on the other side of the field because that's where he ran to.
21:15That's where he lined up.
21:16No.
21:16I'll show you.
21:17I'll show you.
21:18No, I'll show you.
21:18No, I'll show you, you little...