📢 LOAN: "LO QUE CODAZZI VIENE DICIENDO NO TIENE PIE NI CABEZA LO QUE PLANTEA"

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👉 A casi 6 meses de la sustracción del menor Loan Danilo Peña en un paraje de 9 de Julio en Corrientes. Habla Ernesto "Tito" González, abogado del exmarino Carlos Pérez y su mujer, Victoria Caillava.  "En la frontera pasan cualquier cosa" "Pérez y Rodríguez no tienen relación" "Pedimos exclusión probatoria del celular" "Pozzer fue dubitativa con los procesamientos"  👉 Seguí en #Alerta24/7

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00:00We have a question from Carlos Perez and Maria Victoria Cayllaba.

00:06What about the theory of the accident?

00:08We were struck by the fact that the judge does not rule out the theory of the accident.

00:14Although I have listened to you, you said it in this program,

00:18the accident did not occur in any way.

00:20You were taxable with that.

00:22When the penalty for an accident, which would be a guilty homicide,

00:29is less than that of a subtraction of a minor of 10 years.

00:34Perhaps you have changed your point of view from the trial.

00:37Do you still think the same?

00:41No, not at all. I still believe in my position.

00:46In fact, it is doubtful to the judge at the time of processing all of you

00:51because it speaks of a subtraction of an organized plan

00:55between seven people who did not know each other, who had no relationship,

00:59and that this plan was executed through an accident.

01:02When you read it, you can summarize it in those few words,

01:06but this alcohol plasmas it.

01:08It talks about an organization, a planning,

01:10between the people, Ramirez, Miltiati, Benitez, Lina Peña, Perez, Cayllaba,

01:15even the commissioner, who appears only,

01:18who has no kind of bond with each other,

01:21one wants to put more pieces together,

01:24and he can't put together a single piece.

01:27It is striking in itself how it oscillates between the possibility

01:31that it was an organized subtraction,

01:33that is, they took the minor to the orange tree on purpose

01:36so that later they could take him away from his father and then take him away,

01:40but it categorically discards that idea

01:44when it talks about what could have happened,

01:47because it speaks very potentially,

01:49that there could have been an accident or an event

01:52that has implicated, not necessarily a traffic accident,

01:57that has led them to elucidate a whole maneuver

02:02to be able to hide the...

02:05It doesn't make much sense,

02:08they are trying to put together a puzzle with pieces of jenga,

02:11and for me, at least at that point, it doesn't make sense, I think,

02:14and the other defense lawyers also agree on that point,

02:17there is no concordance, there is no explanation

02:20of how to get from the orange tree to the vehicles,

02:23because obviously, they jump,

02:26they are directly in the orange tree,

02:29they take him to the orange tree on purpose,

02:31and then he appears in the vehicle,

02:33how he appears in the vehicle,

02:35at what moment he disappears from the orange tree

02:37and magically appears in the vehicles,

02:39being that both José and Catalina,

02:41and also Lodelina,

02:43saw Pérez and Calleva withdraw.

02:45How is it possible that they have organized such a complex plan,

02:48seven people who do not know each other,

02:50and they have organized it telepathically,

02:52because we can't go over something...

02:54They barely got there, they sat down to eat,

02:57and then they went to the orange tree,

02:59they did it telepathically,

03:01but it doesn't make sense to me.

03:03Speaking of sitting down to eat,

03:05do you think Macarena, Camila or José,

03:08the father of Loan, can contribute something?

03:11And I would like to be able to listen to them,

03:14because I did not have the possibility

03:16to participate in the hearings

03:18of the testimonial statements,

03:20at least of Camila,

03:22and Macarena, if I remember correctly,

03:24because we were also during a summary secret,

03:27and in some parts we could not directly

03:29ask questions to some witnesses

03:31during that summary secret.

03:33What would you ask them?

03:35I would like to know what they can contribute.

03:37Gonzalo, what would you ask, for example,

03:39to the father of Loan?

03:41In a personal way.

03:45In a personal way, well,

03:47I disagree with the position of some of the colleagues

03:50who have already spoken in the media

03:52about what could lead them to ask,

03:54but for me there would be no greater precision

03:57to give regarding what happened.

03:59I could lead them to consult,

04:01to clarify some questions, for example,

04:04if they were not taking it,

04:06which is already obvious,

04:08but they were not taking it.

04:10From what is seen in the photo,

04:12there are only two bottles of wine,

04:14and I also want to discredit that position,

04:17that position regarding that they were all drunk,

04:20or that they wanted to intoxicate the father of Loan

04:23to be able to take him to Loan,

04:25or that Pérez was drunk

04:27and because of that drunkenness,

04:29he choked him.

04:30I want to rule out that.

04:32Although for me they have no way.

04:34What?

04:35Well, today the lawyer Codazzi said

04:37that Pérez was probably drunk

04:41and that insurance would not pay

04:44the homicide or the accident,

04:48that's why...

04:49Don't hold your head.

04:51He said that.

04:52I didn't say it.

04:55He said, but I heard well,

04:57you heard the same as me,

04:59when he said that Pérez was drunk

05:03and that the insurance of the truck

05:05would not cover and it would be millions of pesos

05:09to pay the death of Loan

05:11and that's why he didn't take charge.

05:13That would be a psychopath to be true, right?

05:18No, no, no, that doesn't have either.

05:20I, as a colleague of Codazzi,

05:22I respect him as a colleague

05:24in terms of opinions that can come

05:26to deny respect to the fact itself

05:28that in the Loan case

05:30these factual opinions,

05:32that is, facts and legal opinions

05:34regarding the framework of the facts

05:36in legal conduct, I totally disagree.

05:38For me, he has no idea

05:40what he is raising.

05:41I don't understand how a person

05:43who is so sure of knowing what happened

05:46would say it with total freedom

05:48if he is not part of it.

05:50I don't understand where he gets it from.

05:52I truly respect him as a person,

05:54as a professional,

05:55but I categorically disagree

05:57in what he says regarding facts

05:59and regarding the law itself.

06:03Now, Tito, sorry.

06:05Procedural and substantial.

06:07If the theory or hypothesis

06:09of the accident is not sustained

06:11and you just commented that

06:13it would be impossible to put together

06:15such a spontaneous plan

06:16in the middle of lunch

06:17to take a child,

06:18what is the hypothesis you support?

06:20What could have happened?

06:22Did people come in?

06:23Or did people find him

06:25who is not among the accused,

06:27among the detainees?

06:28What could be the hypothesis?

06:33To be honest,

06:34I have two lines of research

06:36that were not presented,

06:38but I don't want to talk about questions

06:40that I can't prove.

06:41I don't have enough elements

06:43to say with certainty

06:45this happened, that happened.

06:47I disagree with the two hypotheses

06:49that can be raised for now.

06:51They were already ruled out,

06:53the one of treatment

06:55and sexual exploitation

06:57or similar,

06:58maybe the family revenge.

07:00I analyze it a little more,

07:02but at least I rule out the accident

07:04and the subtraction and concealment.

07:06You rule out those two,

07:07but the two lines...

07:08Exactly, I rule out those two.

07:09The two lines that you argue

07:10and that I understand

07:11that you cannot detail.

07:12Do they involve

07:13any of the members

07:14of the Loan family?

07:15I understand that yes.

07:19They could, they could.

07:20I can't assert it,

07:21but they could.

07:22Okay.

07:52Thank you very much for your time.

07:53Thank you very much.

07:54A big hug

07:55and a warm greeting

07:56to the entire audience.

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