On this episode of the All 32 NFL Podcast, Mike Giardi and Will Parkinson break down all of the biggest stories from Week 12 of the NFL season. The Patriots get run over by the Dolphins in Miami, are the San Francisco 49ers' playoff hopes down the drain? And could could Saquon Barkley have a case for MVP? All that, and much more!
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00:00He's caught! Touchdown!
00:04The New England Patriots select Drake May.
00:08He's got the ball! And that's the ballgame!
00:12Welcome to the All 32 Pod. Mike Giardi alongside, as always, Will Parkinson.
00:16Week 12 pretty much in the books. We have the Har-Bowl on Monday night.
00:20We're currently taping at about 12.30 on Monday afternoon.
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00:36Will, a lot to get to. Let's jump into it. There's a bunch of games that we could have
00:40done today, quite frankly. We probably could have done about a four-hour pod today, but
00:44we're not going to do that to people at home, or ourselves, quite frankly.
00:48Let's start with, wasn't the best game of the day, but it was the game
00:52I was covering yesterday. Patriots lose to the Miami Dolphins in
00:56Miami 34-15. That is now eight of
01:00nine losses for the Patriots down in Miami.
01:04They got boat raced in the second quarter, Will. 24-0.
01:08The drives win is followed. Eight for 65 and a score. Nine for
01:1266 and a score. Ten for 80 and a score. And then seven for
01:1656 and a field goal just before the half.
01:20The Patriots were a hot mess in this game. This was a, for those people
01:24that were thinking they were making a step forward over the last month by playing competitive
01:28football, pushing the Rams. Yeah, I know they lost to the Titans, but at least went to overtime
01:32and they had the late drive by Drake May. This was a
01:36oh boy. You're back into late September, all of October
01:40football where you were getting killed pretty much each and every week. Yeah, this was really
01:44disappointing, frankly. Miami is obviously, I think they have the worst
01:48strength of wins in the league, but Miami's been rolling for sure with Tua back
01:52and even with some bad decisions and things
01:56like that, they've looked kind of like the team we thought in the beginning of the year. They're going to beat up on everyone
02:00that's not very good. We haven't really seen them outside of the Buffalo game. And they meet the
02:04Rams, which is a solid win for sure, but I feel like
02:08this wasn't really about Miami because they allowed Miami to do
02:12all of the things that make Miami really good. Get the ball to his hand quickly.
02:16Zero pass rush. Zero ability to tackle behind the line of scrimmage
02:20and stop none of the easy stuff. And then on offense, kind of
02:24just outside of running a really cool hook and ladder play at the end of the game
02:28and the one Drake May like broken coverage down 35 points.
02:32You know what? Nothing. So just a bad
02:36draw. Mayo's got to maybe fix some of the, take a breath
02:40before answering questions.
02:44The quote, I know he didn't mean what he said, and the quote out of context
02:48is brutal. But this isn't the first time this has
02:52happened. This is like the ninth time since he's been hired where it's like an
02:56encapsulation of, in what world was that a smart thing to say?
03:00How did you not learn from the soft thing earlier in the year where
03:04yeah, is it really what you meant? It doesn't really matter what you meant
03:08because you said it. And I just felt like this was a flat effort.
03:12This was a team that didn't look like they wanted to be down there.
03:16As much as I understand, they're not playing for anything, quote unquote.
03:20I get it. This is the point of the year where this is what starts to happen. This is why
03:24the NFL is what it is. But even more so, I feel like the last couple of years
03:28guys have made a lot more business decisions later in the year. But we're not talking
03:32December 25th. We're talking before Thanksgiving and a team that's been playing pretty
03:36competitive football. And yesterday was embarrassing.
03:40It just was one of those, I don't know how to describe it other than I felt like
03:44it was a bad look. I don't think they're 30 points worse than Miami. I don't think
03:48this is as bad of a team as they showed. And again, the Mayo comments
03:52just don't sit right with me. He's not
03:56going to get fired. But I really am underwhelmed
04:00with, I'm really impressed with the quarterback. Again, a million times we've said it
04:04but I'm impressed with the quarterback. I'm impressed with small parts of this roster.
04:08I'm really not super high on
04:12the front office and the coach in particular. You're in one of the biggest
04:16media markets in the country. You are one of the biggest brands in football.
04:20And you're not new to this. You're a new head coach, but you are not
04:24new to this. It's been in your contract. This was going to be
04:28your job. You had plenty of time to prep for it. And I just feel like there's been a lot of
04:32press mistakes, which in the grand scheme of things I understand is not
04:36the number one priority of your coach. But it's a huge part of your job. Robert Sala, I remember
04:40talked about how I undervalued how much part of my job
04:44was about speaking to the media, media stuff, all these availabilities, different
04:48things. And I just say they go out on the field and whatever happens, happens.
04:52Dude, what? Come on. I don't know.
04:56Again, small thing, but kind of encapsulated the way they played yesterday to be honest with you.
05:00See, this is the thing to me. And it's sort of when we talked about last week about not
05:04knowing that Marcus Jones, Alex Van Pelt, not knowing that Marcus Jones had played offense prior to
05:08and then the way they tried to sort of almost cover that up. Well, we were worried about him
05:12playing defense and getting healthy. We still had team meetings.
05:16People knew. Well, your offense coordinator said he didn't know. But to me,
05:20that was a symptom of a greater problem. And there have
05:24been all these little missteps, all these little mistakes, bad communication.
05:28We talked about this is supposed to be collaborative. That's not
05:32collaborating if you're not communicating. And this just to me was another. He goes
05:36out there and says, well, once they're in between the lines, there's nothing I can do for him.
05:40No, actually, there is. You're supposed to be able to make adjustments.
05:44And that has been argue in no sport more than in football.
05:48That's the case. And this staff hasn't
05:52done that this year. They haven't been good with adjustments.
05:56They have largely been when you go after games
06:00and you put the checkmark in the column, who won this battle? Who won that battle?
06:04If you go into the coaching column, I think there are two or three times
06:08all year you could put the checkmark in the Patriots column. And look,
06:12I understand the roster still needs work. It needs plenty of work.
06:16But show me that you're getting better. Show me where you're getting better, aside from where
06:20the quarterback has been. Your young wide receivers aren't developing.
06:24Your offensive line, whatever. It's a hot mess. And I understand there's a lot of
06:28bit parts in there, pieces, but still not getting better,
06:32getting worse. Yesterday was a debacle. Six pre-snap penalties.
06:36Had to bench the right tackle. Could have easily benched...
06:40And isn't there already a change-up coming and more starters?
06:44He was asked today if there would be changes
06:48forthcoming. He said yes. Left it at that. Once again, the problem with this
06:52is because of injuries and because of just the overall depth of the roster,
06:56which is to say there is no depth, exactly where do you turn?
07:00So, who played guard for most of last year in this practice, mostly at guard
07:04this year, was the starter at the beginning of the year, but got hurt and has been benched since.
07:08Hasn't been able to get back on the field. He stepped in at right tackle when they put Demantre
07:12Jacobs down. Caden Wallace, the kid they picked out of Penn State in round three,
07:16has been on IR. Maybe he comes back this week. Cole Strange, again, maybe he
07:20comes back this week. But how much of an upgrade can you
07:24expect from that? Strange hasn't played in almost a year. And Caden Wallace
07:28has been down for at least eight weeks now.
07:32I don't know. It's a rough look all around.
07:36The thing I wanted to add in the coaching aspect,
07:40and it's not just about the actual job that's being done,
07:44it's the fact that, in my opinion, this actually was a pretty attractive job in the offseason.
07:48If it had actually been an open job. I talk a lot about Mike Vrabel
07:52with the Jets. I'm sorry. I think if Mike Vrabel was this team's coach,
07:56they would be in a different spot. I think this was a job that
08:00made a top three pick, hundreds of millions of caps face,
08:04a ownership group that, while it was probably more involved now,
08:08and that's a topic for another day,
08:12funded and helped build a group
08:16alongside Bill and Tom that was amazing for 20-plus years.
08:20They know talent. Mayo had this job, and whether it was deserved
08:24or not, I think we all agree that Gerard deserved a shot to be a head coach. It's not about that.
08:28They didn't even try to interview other people or really seriously interview
08:32other people. I just think it's hard to sit there and look and say,
08:36hey, man, you've got to be better than this.
08:40Again, no one's asking you to beat eight and three
08:44right now. Performances like yesterday shouldn't be
08:48happening, especially knowing we've seen it when it doesn't happen.
08:52We've seen the Rams game, the Jets game, the Seahawks game,
08:56Bangles game. You've played competitive football against good teams. Miami is no
09:00way or near better or any different than what the Rams really are. I mean, they beat the Rams,
09:04but they're on a similar tier. The Bangles are a team people still think
09:08probably beats Miami on a neutral field. It's not. Seattle, same thing.
09:12Just laying an egg already in a team, you cannot be losing the locker room
09:1611 games into your tenure in any way, shape, or form, in my opinion.
09:20That was the last point, and it was remarked by a number of reporters
09:24that the locker room was
09:28unbothered, was the word that was used. Just sort of like, oh, there were more smiles
09:32and laughing than you would expect after you just got your you-know-what kicked in the dirt.
09:36It was 34-15, but it really wasn't 34-15.
09:40It was 31-0 before you start making this
09:44quote-unquote late push. Come on, man. The foot was off the
09:48accelerator for Miami. And to your coaching point,
09:52three-point loss to Seattle. They lost to Miami in a close game the first time. They lose to the
09:56Rams by six. They lose to Tennessee by three.
10:00How much does good coaching,
10:04better coaching in those aspects swing those games?
10:08You win two of those, three of them? Are you winning all four?
10:12It's possible, right, even with this roster that you were in those games.
10:16And like I said, yesterday was a massive, massive step back
10:20for this football team. They have Indianapolis at home next, which I would think, at least
10:24from an offensive standpoint, would be a good place to get a bounce back. I think
10:28you know what they do defensively. Gus Bradley, God love him
10:32for how he keeps his job. I could see 275
10:36and two or three touchdowns for Drake. Whether you win the game or you're
10:40super competitive, that's a real possibility. Anthony Richardson was back
10:44to being Anthony Richardson yesterday. I think 11 for 28.
10:48You know that the forward pass is a challenge for that team.
10:52Let's go to Cowboys beating the Commanders 34-26.
10:56Cowboys who had been just mired in hell with a big
11:00W in Washington. Commanders fall to 7-5.
11:04Quickly from a Cowboys side, Micah Parsons, when he's right,
11:08is still really, really good. Washington had all kinds of problems with him
11:12yesterday. Bigger picture is, Washington was the
11:16flavor du jour in September, October, even into
11:20the early part of November. Now struggling.
11:24Are we getting the...Jaden Daniels threw
11:28for 57 yards in the first half. He was picked off once. Ended up with
11:32275, two TDs, two picks. Rushed for 74.
11:36He doesn't look like the same player. It feels like, Will,
11:40we're starting to get the Cliff Kingsbury. Second half of the season.
11:44Offensive coordinator. I don't quite know how to adjust
11:48the people that have tape on me now and have enough tape on me and what we want to do.
11:52Yeah, a couple different things you mentioned there. It's the Cliff side of things.
11:56It's the...haven't had a bye yet
12:00and have just been kind of like...this is a roster that
12:04was overachieving. This is a roster that overall
12:08I feel like took advantage of some early schedule
12:12stuff. Some lucky results, frankly. That doesn't take away
12:16anything. Jaden Daniels, again, has not been the same player it feels like
12:20for a while now. Just consistently.
12:24It's not that he's not good. It's just he's banged up and he had the rib stuff and we never
12:28really knew what was going on there and he never missed any time. But it feels
12:32like it just hasn't looked the same.
12:36Less willingness to run and doing these different things.
12:40Which is natural, obviously. Overall,
12:44yesterday sucked for them. It was disappointing. I know everyone just crushed the kicker
12:48and stuff. If Dallas had any semblance of being
12:52a normal team that didn't have just crazy stuff happening, they're never even in that
12:56situation because...not sure how Terry McCorn...great play, but why is Terry McCorn not
13:00overly involved? They don't push the ball down the field at all. I don't know if that's
13:04Cliff, it's Jaden, it's a combination of stuff, whatever it is. They don't push the ball down the field at all.
13:08The defense has looked a lot more like the defense I think we thought we were going to see.
13:12Look, Dallas still has talent on their team and Cooper Rush is
13:16frankly, in my opinion, still a pretty high level backup. He's not going to make
13:20the killer mistakes, generally speaking. He's not amazing at all. He doesn't have this rocket arm,
13:24but reputable stats. He's got a decent record as a starter and
13:28they still move the ball alright. Special teams yesterday
13:32again was atrocious from them. They're just not a team that can be...
13:36they're not a team in position and they're not good enough yet to make that many mistakes
13:40offensively, defensively, and on special teams obviously. The missed kicks,
13:44the punt stuff, it's another game where their punt unit or kick unit is
13:48costing them a game. Pittsburgh comes to mind obviously with the blocked punt and these different things.
13:52They should have beat Pittsburgh. They should have...argument could be made
13:56that they should have won yesterday and other things. They have a pretty easy
14:00path, in my opinion, to 10 wins and getting in the playoffs still, which would be a huge
14:04success for this franchise for sure. I think they're
14:08at least a year early, if not two years early, in this rebuild.
14:12But I do like...Keith Turbin's amazing.
14:16He's the most...he probably might be the most confident player in the NFL.
14:20It's insane. And as good as that play was,
14:24that's just horrendous gap integrity and different things.
14:28Credit to Dallas. This is a classic Dallas that will win a couple games here.
14:32They shouldn't and they'll take themselves out of position. They'll probably pick 10th or 9th.
14:36They'll take Gente out of Boise State and we'll have everyone talk about
14:40Zeke, Gente, Lamb, and Dak next year
14:44with Coach Mike Vrabel or whatever.
14:48That totally has Jerry written all over it, by the way.
14:52Trading two first round picks and Michael Parsons for Shador and hiring Dion. Those are the
14:56two outcomes it feels like. But again, credit to Dallas for actually
15:00winning a game that they shouldn't have but they needed that badly.
15:04But I just feel like Washington is going to look back and say, hey, we might not have
15:08caught the Eagles, but maybe we were the 5 seed and could have gone out and beaten
15:12an Atlanta team theoretically or someone and won a playoff game year one and now you're feeling
15:16really damn good. Now it feels like
15:20are they going to get in as the 7? If they beat New Orleans, Tennessee,
15:24and Dallas at the end of the year and like, hey, I don't know, man.
15:28You're going to get Philly again and I know you play Philly well, but it's to me too much.
15:32It just kind of feels like missed opportunities, I guess, is what I kind of look at it.
15:36I think you kind of kick yourself if you're an organization going, hey,
15:40I know we're overachieving, but let's keep overachieving.
15:44Don't settle just because you are not shitty anymore.
15:48They were 7-2. They're 7-5
15:52now. It would be a, even though, as you mentioned,
15:56probably a year, maybe too early at this point. When you get to 7-2,
16:00it would be a colossal disappointment if you don't find your way into the postseason
16:04and it would slow some of the momentum.
16:08I think that they had built over the first two months of the season about this regime that changed the whole
16:12thing. You're bringing new energy to that stadium. It's just a game you can't lose yesterday.
16:16And again, from a talent perspective,
16:20probably similar teams from a talent perspective, but you just, you were
16:24at home. You needed it more. And the number of
16:28breakdowns, and you mentioned special teams, that's Larry Izzo is the special teams coordinator,
16:32former Patriot Dolphin special team
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17:48Let's go to another team that has got to be wondering what the hell
17:52is going on, especially based, for them, on preseason
17:56expectations or even the way they started the season. And that's the Houston Texans
18:00who were shocked by the Tennessee Titans 32-27.
18:04Texans are now 7-5. They're at the
18:08Jets next weekend. No, excuse me, Jacksonville. At Jacksonville next weekend.
18:12And I guess I would ask you, and you've been
18:16on this pretty much since Week 1,
18:20what's happened with C.J. Stroud and the offense? 74.7 passer rating
18:24for Stroud since Week 7 is the lowest amongst
18:28qualifying quarterbacks from that point on. They just
18:32don't look right. They don't look like the same team. There's something there every week
18:36where you go, there's too much there
18:40for it to be like this. And yet, once again, week after week, you keep
18:44feeling the same way coming out of the games. Even when they win, you're like, eh, still haven't
18:48seen the best of the Texans yet. That certainly wasn't the best of the Texans against the Titans.
18:52A couple of things. One, I'll give the Titans some credit. They're still playing hard.
18:56Brian Callahan has this group looking far better than I
19:00thought he could be a one-and-done guy four or five weeks ago. Oh, yeah. Four or five weeks ago
19:04he was circling the drain. I'm not super high on
19:08Rams still, but Callahan showed some stuff. Will Levis look
19:12like an NFL quarterback again? He kind of said it like,
19:16I'm not saying that he's going to be the guy,
19:20but there's probably a conversation in that building of
19:24hey, we're probably going to finish with a top-seven pick.
19:28Are we better off one more year of Levis and a bad QB class and just trying to
19:32build this roster up as much as we can and hope year two with Callahan they can
19:36make strides and Latham in year two.
19:40By the way, the answer to that is if he shows progress here over these last
19:44five weeks and sort of plays as he has the last couple, then I think the answer
19:48is yes, because we'll get into, obviously, the draft class as we get into the
19:52offseason, but I don't love any of the quarterbacks. Some will
19:56get overdrafted. It's what happens every single year, but I don't know if you're
20:00them and you say, do I really want to go from this guy
20:04who we've seen? He's got some flaws, but maybe there's some things to build off of
20:08versus the unknown and, again, to your point, not a great quarterback
20:12class. Yeah, Levis is 17 starts, really
20:1616 to Miami. It should count. I mean, 3,300 yards, 18 touchdowns, 13 picks.
20:20I'm not sitting there telling you he's going to be special, but the last three games,
20:24700 or so yards, five touchdowns, two picks,
20:28and obviously an impressive win yesterday. I just wanted to give them a little bit of credit.
20:32They were lucky to win, but they still won, and you feel like
20:36just slightly less bad about the Titans. They probably finished with four or five
20:40wins, but it is what it is.
20:44To the Texans of it all, one, this defense
20:48kind of like, I don't know, 30 points against Tennessee.
20:52Not a great D'Amico look.
20:56They have a lot of... There's just too many
21:00self-inflicted wounds for this team. I'm not saying it's all on Stroud, because
21:04we've been very vocal about Bobby Slowick.
21:08To me, what's frustrating is I feel like Stroud
21:12is just getting... He just doesn't have the feel
21:16in the pocket. I felt the confidence in the pocket. I feel like he had last year. I feel like it's like
21:20he's doing a lot more running for his life. His offensive line, obviously, is just not
21:24playing well, in my opinion, just from the eye test.
21:28Even yesterday, a perfect example of where they're at.
21:32They get a big play to Deco Collins. Feels like every time it's a big play, it's a penalty.
21:36Come back, next play, and Stroud's getting chased. He's
21:40throwing it away, and the tight end catches it for a six-yard loss, because
21:44he's trying to catch the football. Stroud didn't really throw it away.
21:48I kind of feel like he knew it was a bad... It's hard to tell what's
21:52going on, and it comes back. It's like, oh, throwing that away. Don't catch the ball.
21:56I don't know why he... It just feels sloppy, and
22:00it's penalty after penalty. When it's not Joe Mixon or Deco Collins, it
22:04feels like good stuff's not really going to happen.
22:08Way too many offensive line penalties. Way too many illegal man downfields. It's over and over
22:12again with them. Every time there's a good play, it's like,
22:16do you guys not practice? Do you not realize that you keep getting called on it, so maybe wait
22:20a quarter of a second longer. That should be getting drilled every week. Is that a
22:24Bobby Slovic thing? Is that a D'Amico thing? Who is it?
22:28I think me and you both thought this is a 10-win team in a
22:32bad division. They'll be better than last year
22:36roster-wise, but probably worse record-wise.
22:40Team playing primetime games. Team playing with expectations. CJ
22:44Stroud was talked about like he was Patrick Mahomes a year ago, and I still think he's
22:48a top-eight quarterback in the league, and I still think he's really good.
22:52Not for nothing, he's a lot closer to eight than he is to that top five.
22:56I think he's very much in that second tier, which is amazing. They hit on the quarterback
23:00and they probably hit on that coach, but they're just not that good right now.
23:04It's injuries, dumb penalties, mistakes.
23:08Stroud does not protect the football the way he did a year ago, in my
23:12opinion. I don't know.
23:16I don't know what the fix is, per se, because I guess the fix is
23:20the Saints hired Bobby Slowick, and
23:24they kind of help you. They kind of addition by subtraction.
23:28But I don't...
23:32They scream 9 or 10 wins, and they're getting smoked
23:36in the first round of the playoffs.
23:40I'm glad you brought up the defense. Will Levis throws for 278 on him.
23:44Tony Pollard rushes for 119. Pollard's a nice little player.
23:48Will Levis is still a guy with some
23:52ability who hasn't been able to string it together. For you to
23:56do that against them, and you have some knowledge of the Callahan
24:00system, so it's not like you're totally caught unawares by what
24:04they want to do. In some ways, what Levis does
24:08is either flings it down the field or it's off the boot.
24:12He's not someone who just sits in the pocket, processes, and gets it out quick.
24:16That's not who he is. They knew this, and they
24:20still couldn't stop it. So there's
24:24a fair amount of money invested on that defense. There's a lot of good players on that defense.
24:28I know they've had some injuries as well, but it's part of the league.
24:32They felt like they had a deeper team this year than last year, and you're
24:36not seeing it. And look, still, Fairburn misses a chip shot
24:40field goal. Who knows if he makes it? He falls down to the ground. It was like literally
24:44I could have probably put it through. No, actually, that's not true. I couldn't kick for
24:48Jack, but that's kind of the way the year's going for him right now.
24:52And it feels like, your point, they're headed for a heartbreak
24:56in the postseason, like a bad beatdown. And then it's going to be like,
25:00okay, now what? Now you were supposed to be the young darling, and now
25:04your roster's got some holes, and you've got to figure it out. Your quarterback will be coming off
25:08an eh year. You have to answer questions about
25:12who's going to play opposite Nico, because I can't imagine that Diggs will be back,
25:16especially coming off the ACL. So they've got questions, and
25:20if they don't get it together in a hurry, who knows? Maybe they slip-slide away out of the
25:24postseason. Speaking of slip-sliding away out of the postseason, let me
25:28introduce you to the San Francisco 49ers, who we kept waiting for to
25:32take that turn, to take the step forward, put aside some of
25:36the bad luck they've had or bad performances. They got
25:40absolutely croaked in Green Bay, 38-10. They fall to
25:445-6 on the year. They've got Buffalo at Buffalo on Sunday
25:48night football on Thanksgiving weekend, so good luck with that.
25:52No Brock party yesterday, which obviously plays a massive role. All of a sudden
25:56the shoulders started bothering them, had to shut it down in practice on Thursday, ruled out on
26:00Friday. They go with Brandon Allen, who leads the offense, and I say lead in
26:04quotes, to 10 points and 241 total yards, both their
26:08lowest numbers of the season. He throws an interception, also
26:12fumbles as well. But to me, Allen,
26:16Purdy, the thing that we've talked about
26:20all the way back to the preseason preview is they finally caught up
26:24with them. All the football, some of the losses, big losses,
26:28some of the age of the roster and the contract situations, it feels like it's all
26:32started to come together this year like a perfect storm.
26:36I guess technically they're still not out of it. They're only a game out of the division
26:40lead, although their division record is
26:44they lose every tiebreaker, and they're a game and a half out of the
26:48seventh and final playoff spot. So again, not completely
26:52impossible to get it done, but it feels like
26:56they're the 11th place team right now in the NFC that that's a lot of teams
27:00to bypass over the next six weeks of the season. Yeah, they're done.
27:04No, I just, they look, I just, no one looks good right now.
27:08McCaffrey looks like a guy who they probably should just put on ice for the year and
27:12said let's not test it. Fred Warner doesn't look the same
27:16right now that he usually does. Nobosa, Trent Williams, Purdy,
27:20Debo is a total
27:24Yeah, he's a shell of himself.
27:28By the way, I'm just getting ready for when they caught him. Debo to the Patriots is
27:32going to be. Yes, I'm going to hear ad nauseum on my timeline on all
27:36social media accounts will be filled with that. The radio, it's going to be nuts
27:40and I just ask you if he's a complimentary
27:44player like the third guy in that room, great.
27:48He would be your best guy, and if he's your best guy, you got problems.
27:52Yeah, there's a reason they try to trade him
27:56this offseason. There's a reason they took so long to pay him before because
28:00the body eventually was going to go.
28:04To me, they're done. Niners fans seem to want Kyle
28:08gone, which would be insane, but look, he has
28:12such an Andy Reid career arc that's about to happen.
28:16I am telling you, there's a world in which theoretically, I guess
28:20he could get fired. I don't see it because he's very much the de facto GM as well.
28:24He's been so successful. He would have to kind of be like, hey, I'm done here
28:28too, which theoretically is probably the one way this happens is he's like
28:32they finish seven and ten and he's
28:36like this team is about to be screwed. We went all in for the last six
28:40years. We didn't get it done. It's been a shame, but
28:44injuries, age, cap, draft picks, etc.
28:48We're going to pay Brock pretty gazillion dollars.
28:52Let's maybe part ways and he'll go somewhere else and he'll have the Andy Reid
28:56like, oh, he never can win the big game and whatever. Then he'll think eventually
29:00like how we look at Andy Reid now. We're like, oh, he'll always win a big game. Meanwhile,
29:04remember what Andy Reid used to be. Oh, really successful, gets really far in the playoffs, never can
29:08close the door on a title in Philly.
29:12Let me interrupt you for a second and give you a hypothetical
29:16that would hit close to home.
29:20How many draft picks would you give up as a
29:24owner of the Jets, Woody Johnson, to acquire the services of
29:28Kyle Shanahan?
29:32I'd probably do this year's one
29:36and then multiple picks in years following.
29:40Maybe it's like in total one and two twos
29:44and something. I don't know. Because to me
29:48if the Jets are going to go draft a quarterback
29:52and that needs development.
29:56I know Trey Lance hasn't worked, but no offense, Trey Lance hasn't worked anywhere. He's just a bad football
30:00player. This guy has made Super Bowls
30:04with Purdy and Jimmy G, etc.
30:08I don't know what it would take to do it and I don't even know if it's realistic,
30:12but it just feels like this is over for the Niners.
30:16The real question is going to be not just a Kyle question with the Niners is
30:20what do they do in the offseason? Because does Trent Williams
30:24want to play anymore? That's been a question. He just signed the extension, but
30:28Trent Williams is up there. Maybe he doesn't want to go through a rebuild.
30:32Do they try to semi-rebuild the thing and do
30:36a whole, we're going to try to
30:40spare parts this thing through it and Brock got hurt and
30:44Christian was hurt and the whole thing and we're going to run it back. Almost never works.
30:48Do they go and say, hey, we're going to cut Deebo. We're going to
30:52trade Christian and we're going to trade Fred and we're going to build this
30:56offense around Purdy and Iuke and we're going to rebuild through a ton of draft picks and Kyle
31:00wants to be here for that. There's just so many questions with the Niners. I don't know the answer,
31:04but this year, even if they make the playoffs, I think they're
31:08pretty much fried. If you're the
31:12Packers, yesterday I talked about this on the show on Friday. I wanted
31:16to see a mentality from the Packers of this team has beat us up
31:20year after year. It's always the same thing with the Niners and Packers. It's like the physical
31:24nature of the game. Eventually, Green Bay gets worn down. Josh Jacobs
31:28ate his Wheaties yesterday and Miami better come ready
31:32to tackle on Thursday night because brother
31:36Josh Jacobs in 20 degree weather is going to run right through your face mask
31:40and I know Tua has been talking a lot about how he's going to change the narratives.
31:44Jordan Love was not good yesterday and Christian Watson
31:48had a little MVS to him yesterday.
31:52They didn't catch anything and it's not all on Jordan Love. He was smart with the football
31:56yesterday as opposed to in games prior like the Lions game.
32:00It felt like he was just not himself. I think
32:04Jordan Love will figure it out, but they have a real running game
32:08and they have a real defense and they've banked some wins now.
32:12San Francisco
32:16had to win this game and Kyle coached like it. If we're being honest, he was
32:20going for it on every fourth down. Stuff was there.
32:24It is just funny. The one play to me that was the nail in the
32:28coffin really for them was I believe it was 21-7
32:32or 17-7 out of the second half and they were on like the
32:3640 or so. They go on fourth and two. The momentum had kind of shifted
32:40and they put Christian in the slot on fourth down.
32:44You just know he's running a choice route. Allen took forever to get the
32:48ball out because it's a backup quarterback. Had to see it open instead of throw it open.
32:52Christian was open. He throws it late. They make a play and the game was over.
32:56I know it's a long answer, but it's a shame.
33:00It's going to probably end like this. This is always what happens, but this kind of almost...
33:04It didn't get to this point with the Patriots at the end and they're not the same thing obviously.
33:08This felt a lot like 2019 where it was like spare parts it
33:12and you got in the playoffs, but the second you saw a legit competition
33:16you got cooked. The Niners
33:20schedule, age, injury, cap space, unlucky, all these things.
33:24It just feels over for them unfortunately.
33:28It does feel over for them. Meanwhile, Green Bay is still in third place in the division
33:32because that division is so ridiculous, but 8-3.
33:36Jordan's got to play better. Again, I thought maybe this is the week it started to happen.
33:40Hasn't happened yet. At least he did take care
33:44of the ball, but they need more out of him in the passing and the receivers do. Christian Watson's
33:48good for one of those drops every three weeks.
33:52Should be a touchdown. Clangs off his hands like he's never seen a football.
33:56He's wearing oven mitts out there. Packers will be a dangerous
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34:04than they have been in years past, I think, if they can get the quarterback play to go
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35:32I want to close with this. And it's actually funny because we were just talking about Green Bay.
35:36Xavier McKinney's seventh interception. Xavier McKinney played where? He played for the Giants
35:40previously. Guess who?
35:44Saquon Barkley used to play for. Yeah, he used to
35:48play for the Giants and he was lost in free agency as well. Saquon
35:52goes bananas again. Last night in L.A. they beat the Rams
35:5637-20. He has touchdown runs of 70 and 72
36:00yards. Finishes with 255 yards rushing in the game.
36:04Over 300 yards of total offense.
36:08Phillies now won seven in a row. And I ask you, because the MVP
36:12is a quarterback award. It has been a quarterback award for basically
36:16I don't even know how long. Pretty much forever. But with Josh Allen,
36:20Lamar Jackson. Should Saquon not only be in that conversation, but
36:24should he be at the front of the line? Should be close. You really
36:28run through it. Mahomes, it's not a discussion.
36:32He's a great player. He's just not having a great year.
36:36Obviously, from a Lamar perspective, it feels like the Ravens
36:40aren't going to be. They're probably the five or the six seed if things
36:44continue the way they're headed. Although Pittsburgh obviously choked away a game on Thursday
36:48night. So unless Lamar lights up the next five weeks. He does get to be
36:52fatigued. Sometimes we see that. Burrow would be
36:56leading the conversation quite comfortably if the Bengals
37:00and maybe he still gets a Russell Westbrook ish win
37:04if they find a way in the playoffs. And it's like his stats are so ridiculous. If Burrow just
37:08six weeks in a row and he wills them into the playoffs with five out of six
37:12and he puts up 40 touchdowns, six picks and 4,500
37:16yards, like maybe he does it. Josh, maybe if they get the one seed, he puts
37:20up absurd numbers. But it feels
37:24like there's been this course correction with the style of play
37:28across the NFL all year. And
37:32I think AP is the last guy to win it in 09, if I'm not mistaken.
37:36Adrian Peterson was making more money a year than Saquon
37:40is this year. And for everyone, the market corrected itself so much essentially that Saquon
37:44became a good value signing. In all seriousness and
37:48broader conversation, Phillied said, hey, we have a quarterback that's
37:52pretty good at throwing goal balls to AJ Brown and tunnel screens and doing
37:56tush bushes. We could really use a running game from a couple years ago in that defense. And they
38:00invested in pass rush. They're secondary and they're running back. And
38:04Saquon, I think 213 yards last night before contact
38:08or whatever it was. So the offensive line has been fantastic
38:12for sure. Saquon just brings this dimension that scares
38:16you. And he's playing the way he played at Penn State. He's playing the way here. He has surpassed his
38:20career high in yards and touchdowns
38:24on pace for 2,200 yards and 20-plus touchdowns. And if he gets
38:28to even close to 2,000 and the Eagles
38:32get, they're probably not going to catch Detroit, but they could.
38:36Even Detroit has other games. And as much as they're rolling, Philly's rolling
38:40too. If Saquon has a big night against Baltimore
38:44and Lamar doesn't have a big night, don't you feel like that's like, okay, Lamar's out?
38:48And then it comes down to Josh. It's like, is Josh going to win it because people feel like
38:52they have to give him an MVP at some point? I feel like people are itching
38:56to, I just, it comes down to this. It was like the whole Russell, remember
39:00Mike, I don't know if, I think it was 2019. It must
39:04have been 2019. Everyone in the entire preseason, Russell Wilson's never
39:08got an MVP vote. I feel like this year going into the year, there was so much like, quarterbacks
39:12win every year. This is such a stupid award. Everyone's
39:16been dying for him or Derek. Him and Derek Henry have both put up ridiculous numbers.
39:20Henry won't win it because of Lamar
39:24and also because I don't think he's
39:28changed. I think he's just, whatever. He's compiled more stats to me than has been.
39:32Saquon has been like, oh my God. He's bailed them out of games. He's won them
39:36games it feels like. So yeah, I'm sorry. I think he's
39:40one of the three or four most valuable players. If you took Saquon off the Eagles right now, I do think
39:44it would drastically hurt them. I don't know
39:48if I feel that way about any other really non-position
39:52player on offense right now that this team, the Eagles might win the Super Bowl.
39:56That's why we're talking about what we're talking about.
39:58Yeah, he's been phenomenal. You're saying
40:02what they would look like without him. Just in my head, three or four games just jump
40:06out immediately. Well, if he wasn't on the team, they'd probably lose that game.
40:10So instead of 9-2, you're talking 5-6 or 6-5.
40:14That's a massive swing that a player has made. He's so explosive.
40:18There have been games where the pass game has struggled mightily, especially early
40:22in the year. The story's been now told quite a bit over the last
40:26month or so, how the offensive lineman went to Kellen Moore and Nick Sirianni
40:30were like, what are we doing? We have the best offensive line in football.
40:34Let us put the hard hats on and let us pound the ball
40:38until someone stops us. And pretty much since they've embraced that identity,
40:42they haven't lost a football game and Saquon's been to the moon.
40:46I personally think, and I was very much a
40:50Lamar and we sort of ride the ebbs and flows of the season, but
40:54I've talked about my sort of problems with Baltimore here over the last
40:58couple weeks. It doesn't feel like they're going to be in a high enough position
41:02for Lamar to warrant being the MVP. So then, unless someone
41:06makes a late charge, it really does come down to Saquon versus Josh.
41:10The easy thing for voters to do, or has been in years past, is well, MVP
41:14is the quarterback because he touches the ball in every offensive play, and we'll give the
41:18offensive player of the year to the running back. But maybe this is a case where
41:22hey, you know what? Hurts hasn't been awesome, but Saquon has.
41:26Saquon's changed who they are this year, and as you point out,
41:30put them in the conversation when we talk about the best teams in football.
41:34They are very much there when, you know, I think in September we had questions
41:38about what they were going to be and how they were going to be. Knew they were a good team, didn't know if they were going to
41:42be a great team. Quickly on the front of Philadelphia, Brandon Graham
41:46was having a beautiful night last night, tears to tricep. He is done for
41:50the year. They have built a fair amount of depth on that defensive line, and he's
41:54an older player, but he showed you last night he's still got
41:58the goods and can still bring it, so that's going to be a bad loss for them.
42:02That's going to put a wrap on the All-32 Pod for Monday. We'll figure out
42:06the back end of the week because we have the Thanksgiving holiday, try to figure out when we're
42:10going to do our second show. He's Will Parkins, and I'm Mike Giardia. Remember to like, subscribe,
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