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"Everyone saw what happened on the night of February 8th and 9th," Mohammad Zubair's Analysis
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"Everyone saw what happened on the night of February 8th and 9th," Mohammad Zubair's Analysis
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What happened on the night of the election, on February 8th, February 9th, everyone saw it.
00:05
How it changed in form 45, form 47 and how the results have been changed.
00:10
After that, the process that we have, the post electoral process,
00:14
which determines the irregularities, which is a constitutional requirement,
00:18
which has to be fulfilled in 6 months.
00:20
15 tribunals have been made by the Election Commission of Pakistan. 15.
00:24
5 for KP, 4 for Sindh, 3 for Balochistan, 1 for 3 seats of Islamabad,
00:31
because there is a provincial assembly.
00:33
And in Punjab, where there were elections on 350 seats, there were 2 tribunals.
00:41
Now you can imagine, if you will make the whole process difficult like this,
00:46
and then expect that people will not react, and how should the reaction be?
00:52
If the president of Belarus is coming, you should not take care of him.
00:56
If the SCO summit is taking place, you should not take care of him.
01:00
When that is not happening, then what initiative does the government take?
01:04
That is the key question.
01:05
Okay, what should happen now?
01:06
Let's move a little further.
01:09
You have also explained the current situation.
01:11
Mr. Mifta has also explained it. I think everyone knows.
01:13
Actually, the position that Maria is in right now, the solution that Mifta gave,
01:20
is that there should be an interim period and then a free, fair and transparent election.
01:25
But the problem is that if you know the people of the present government,
01:29
and are aware of their thinking,
01:31
they want to make PTI a mess for all times to come.
01:36
For them, if PTI remains, they will never have power in a free, fair election.
01:41
But Mr. Zubair, let me add one thing to this.
01:43
They think that if King Khan gets space and government,
01:47
then they will destroy him.
01:49
So, it is the same thing that either you die or you kill.
01:52
Absolutely, but one thing is the government's mistake, which I think is a mistake.
01:59
When the election was held in February 2024, PTI had the highest number of seats.
02:05
If PMLN had not formed the government, they would have let PTI to form the government.
02:11
This is the same Imran Khan, who in 2022, when the vote of no confidence was held,
02:17
one year before that, 12 out of 13 by-elections were lost in all the provinces.
02:22
12 by-elections out of 30.
02:24
So, it was not that he was always popular.
02:26
There were some reasons for his popularity.
02:29
And the contributing factor in those reasons was PMLN or PVP coming to power
02:34
and targeting PTI in that way, giving them all the support of the oppressed,
02:40
and then sitting in the lap of the establishment.
02:43
And making PTI or Imran Khan the champion of the anti-establishment campaign,
02:49
which has always been in Pakistan.
02:51
The mandate that Mr. Nawaz Sharif had, the basis on which he was governing.
02:57
But Mr. Zubair, if we had given you the government,
03:03
then the PMLN and the rest of the people would have gone to jail.
03:08
Because Mr. Khan was angry, they would have taken revenge, they would have gone to jail.
03:12
Maria, let me just clarify one thing.
03:14
Maria, let me just clarify one thing.
03:16
This kind of assumption, if it happens,
03:18
that in 2022, when the vote of no confidence was held,
03:21
some PMLN leaders, like I remember Khurram Dastgir in an interview,
03:25
a lot of people used to say that this was also done because Tainati was to happen in November.
03:30
And if Tainati would have happened in November,
03:32
then the constitution would have been destroyed.
03:34
Now there is something left of the constitution,
03:36
that is not an appointment, that was not Tainati.
03:38
So on this basis, you cannot do your politics,
03:41
that if he comes, then what will he do?
03:43
Let's talk about politics, let's take it a little further.
03:46
Mr. Mirta, where is politics at the moment?
03:48
Do you think that the politics being done by the PMLN,
03:52
this is their best practice politics,
03:55
they have no other option.
03:57
If Mr. Khan stays in jail,
03:59
only then will they be able to govern in peace.
04:01
If he comes out, then they will give him a tough time.
04:03
Then you know, the opposition, I feel that natural habit,
04:06
Mr. Khan's habit is in opposition.
04:08
They do strong opposition.
04:12
Look, Maria, from a political point of view,
04:15
when the PTI calls for a protest and the PMLN,
04:20
if they call the government PMLN,
04:22
if they put a container, then it is a political defeat.
04:27
If the Muslim League, earlier it used to be that
04:30
if Ibrahim Khan used to do a protest of 50,000,
04:32
then the strategy of the Muslim League was that
04:34
we will do a protest of 60,000 somewhere in Punjab.
04:37
If you do it in Lahore, then we will do it in Gujranwala.
04:39
If you do it in Faisalabad, then we will do it in Islamabad, Rawalpindi.
04:43
Now this is not the case.
04:44
Now it is that you are just playing defense,
04:46
that he calls for a protest, you put a container.
04:49
What is the politics of the Muslim League?
04:51
There is no politics of the Muslim League.
04:53
If you ask Zoraon, he says,
04:55
whatever is said to us, we do it.
04:57
At least what they say, Allah knows the truth.
05:02
But the Muslim League is not doing any politics.
05:04
Right now, if you are arresting people in Punjab,
05:08
how you are making people quiet,
05:10
how you have changed some political loyalty,
05:13
this is not politics.
05:16
If you think that the Muslim League was defeated on 24th February,
05:22
then you see what will happen next time.
05:24
There is no doubt that the economy has improved a little
05:27
and the inflation has decreased,
05:29
so they are able to show their faces.
05:31
But the fact of the matter is that
05:33
the anger of the people can only come down to the ballot box,
05:36
and you can see that in the next ballot box.
05:38
The Muslim League is not doing any politics.
05:40
That is why the People's Party goes to Qatar every day,
05:42
gives some statements against them,
05:44
and then comes back.
05:46
At least they do some small politics.
05:48
But this is not a part of Pakistan's politics,
05:51
that you arrest people and go to their homes,
05:54
and harass their daughters-in-law,
05:57
or put so many containers.
05:59
This is not our politics.
06:01
And this is not even a long-term strategy.
06:03
This is not even a long-term strategy.
06:05
Mr. Zubair, the situation is that there are two scenarios.
06:08
Either Tehreek-e-Insan, in a large number,
06:10
will be successful in bringing people to the streets for protest.
06:13
This is one possibility. We will see about that.
06:15
The second possibility is that the government will not allow them to come.
06:18
And they will not be able to come out in large numbers.
06:21
Let's unpack both of them.
06:23
First, if Tehreek-e-Insan is not allowed in large numbers,
06:26
do you think that their voters will be mobilized after that?
06:29
Will their protest workers be mobilized after that?
06:33
Is this the final chance of Tehreek-e-Insan to give the government a tough time?
06:38
PM LN has made a very simple decision.
06:44
Most of the people are with PTI.
06:48
And if we don't use this strategy,
06:51
of holding and pushing,
06:53
of scaring and threatening,
06:55
of putting containers,
06:57
then if lakhs of people come out,
06:59
then the situation will be the same.
07:01
So the option is only,
07:03
which is a very risky option,
07:06
that you make an image in front of the whole world,
07:09
in which there is holding and pushing.
07:11
And Maria, let me tell you this with my personal information,
07:14
that the way they are holding and pushing,
07:16
and taking them inside,
07:17
and the way they are beating them,
07:19
I am saying this on the basis of my personal information,
07:22
I have never heard,
07:24
and the people who are involved in this,
07:26
and all the government people,
07:28
they approve it on this basis,
07:32
that if they terrorize them.
07:34
This is very difficult,
07:36
that what words did they use?
07:38
When Maryam Nawaz had a rally on 13th December 2020,
07:41
she said either R or Path.
07:43
This was also there,
07:45
that either this way or that way.
07:47
I was also in Lahore.
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