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11th Hour | Waseem Badami | PTI Protest | ARY News | 14th November 2024
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33:11First of all, what Mr. Malik said,
33:13I think it is absolutely appropriate
33:15that the opposition political parties
33:17should come together
33:19in some way,
33:21build a consensus,
33:23agree on some agendas
33:25on which more than one
33:27people of ideology
33:29can come together,
33:31such political parties
33:33which do not sit together,
33:35if they all come together
33:37and talk together,
33:39protest together,
33:41then there is more credibility
33:43and naturally,
33:45in this alliance,
33:47the PTI and Mr. Maulana's alliance,
33:49the PTI will benefit a lot
33:51if this alliance is formed.
33:53But in my opinion,
33:55I would like to make a small comment
33:57with the permission of Mr. Malik.
33:59There is also an argument
34:01that because of Mr. Maulana
34:03and PTI,
34:05as Mr. Malik said,
34:07there has been a conflict
34:09at the constituency level.
34:11So, some people,
34:13especially those
34:15who are loyalists of PTI,
34:17they were suspicious.
34:19They were always suspicious
34:21about whether
34:23Mr. Maulana's alliance
34:25will work or not.
34:27Are we being taken
34:29for a ride?
34:31So, I think
34:33some people,
34:35because of Mr. Maulana's alliance,
34:37see PTI's leadership
34:39from the perspective of suspicion.
34:41Now, where will this balance come?
34:43Sir, if those people
34:45had joined Mr. Maulana,
34:47then the protest would have been stronger.
34:49It is not easy to shell Mr. Maulana's crowd
34:51as compared to PTI.
34:53It has its own sensitivity
34:55and many other things.
34:57Absolutely.
34:59And as I said,
35:01are we going to have another protest
35:03on 24th?
35:05I would like to make a request.
35:07I don't know whether
35:09Game Changer will happen or not.
35:11But I would like to make a request.
35:13It is a very strange thing
35:15that in this political moment,
35:17in this political moment,
35:19we have made an equation
35:21that will so many people come out
35:23who will be able to
35:25overpower the state power
35:27of the government?
35:29So many people will not come out
35:31and the state will be able to overpower them
35:33by stopping them or by dissuading them
35:35from going to Islamabad.
35:37Actually, the conversation is not
35:39that if people and the state
35:41fight, who will win?
35:43Why are we talking about this?
35:45Why are we not talking about
35:47those 5, 10, 50 people
35:49who are wrong, misguided,
35:51from one political party or another?
35:53Why are we not having a conversation
35:55with those people
35:57who are wrong, misguided,
35:59from one political party or another?
36:01Why are we not having a conversation
36:03with those people
36:05who are wrong, misguided,
36:07from one political party or another?
36:09Why are we not having a conversation
36:11with those people
36:13who are wrong, misguided,
36:15from one political party or another?
36:17Why are we not having a conversation
36:19with those people
36:21who are wrong, misguided,
36:23from one political party or another?
36:25Will they be able to do what they are saying?
36:27You are absolutely right.
36:29But I would like to request
36:31a lot of respect to you,
36:33because there are still a few days left.
36:35So, this is my request
36:37if anyone is listening,
36:39be it on the side of the government
36:41or the PTI, that we will all
36:43watch this theatre
36:45and will comment on it
36:47but nothing good can come out of it.
36:49If PTI powers the state,
36:51then it is not good for Pakistan
36:53If PTI powers the state,
36:55then it is not good for Pakistan
36:57Find some other way out of it.
36:59It will be appropriate for everyone.
37:01Mr. Malik, academically,
37:03or in principle,
37:05no one should disagree with this,
37:07but do you see this scene
37:09or do you think
37:11this can be an innocent wish?
37:13Now the matter has gone too far.
37:15This is an educated man's
37:17innocent wish.
37:19He is our younger brother.
37:21See, the matter is very simple.
37:23What is the purpose?
37:25The purpose is that
37:27a ground swell or
37:29such pressure should be created
37:31that the establishment should
37:33talk to them.
37:35Mr. Khan's statement came later.
37:37He said that
37:39our committee has been formed
37:41and the handlers who will be nominated
37:43will be negotiated by our committee.
37:45This process,
37:47they also know that
37:49such a process will not be allowed
37:51in Islamabad.
37:53What I see is that
37:55there will be large gatherings
37:57in different cities.
37:59Lahore will be locked down.
38:01The main areas of Karachi will be locked down.
38:03The roads to Islamabad will be closed.
38:05Lockdowns will be implemented
38:07throughout the country.
38:09Such a situation should be created
38:11so that the establishment
38:13should talk to them.
38:15They have told the margin
38:17that they will talk to them.
38:19See, no one is talking to them now.
38:21So, you have two prongs.
38:23If you do a big show,
38:25then you can also show it to Washington.
38:27If you have a show in between,
38:29then there is pressure here too.
38:31See, there are two things.
38:33There has been a very interesting development.
38:35By 2027,
38:37you have a guarantee of a power center
38:39and job security.
38:41In Islamabad,
38:43no one knows about the job security
38:45in Karachi.
38:47So, that is a variable.
38:49Even I wish for a PTI.
38:51There should also be a bill
38:53on this.
38:55For a change, our Prime Minister
38:57should also complete 5 years.
38:59See, there are two issues.
39:01There was a lot of hope
39:03for a PTI.
39:05There was a lot of hope
39:07for a PTI.
39:09I am coming.
39:11I am saying that
39:13there was a lot of hope
39:15for a PTI.
39:17There was a lot of hope
39:19for a PTI.
39:21There was a lot of hope
39:23for a PTI.
39:25There was a lot of hope
39:27for a PTI.
39:29There was a lot of hope
39:31for a PTI.
39:33There was a lot of hope
39:35for a PTI.
39:37There was a lot of hope
39:39for a PTI.
39:41Now, when the term has increased,
39:43even that option has stopped.
39:45Now, they have to talk to this
39:47establishment.
39:49Now, their hopes have
39:51ended with the court.
39:53Now, how will they talk from there?
39:55If you create so much pressure
39:57on the road that they think
39:59that at least they should
40:01start talking to us.
40:03And Mr. Khan has given
40:05an opening on that too.
40:07So, I see it as a strategic step
40:09to create so much pressure.
40:11And will they be able to do it?
40:13Do you think they will be successful
40:15in this PTI?
40:17Let me quickly
40:19remind you of the 2014 protest.
40:21In Bahawalpur,
40:23on 26th or 27th June,
40:25Mr. Khan gave a speech.
40:27Then the protest happened on 14th August.
40:29It took 38 to 40 days.
40:31Mr. Khan was leading the protest.
40:33He had charisma and everything.
40:35Now, the date is 10 days.
40:37There are groups in the party.
40:39There are fights in the party.
40:41Mr. Khan is in the party.
40:43In Punjab, there is so much
40:45strictness and fatigue.
40:47There will be no holds barred.
40:49And it will be a mess.
40:51I don't see a big cut
40:53in Islamabad.
40:55I don't see 4 lakh people
40:57sitting there.
40:59I don't see a velvet revolution.
41:01I think that
41:03there should be blockades in the cities.
41:05I am afraid of violence.
41:07Mr. Rana Sanawal
41:09came to my show twice.
41:11What did he say?
41:13He said,
41:15they are talking nonsense.
41:17They will get a perfect answer.
41:19He also said,
41:21if there is an untoward incident,
41:23we will file a case against Imran Khan.
41:25He has announced a strategy.
41:27He is leading.
41:29There was a possible deniability on 9th.
41:31There was a movement from behind.
41:33God forbid, 2-3 dead bodies fell.
41:35They will get a murder case.
41:37Their movement will increase.
41:39I am not afraid of big crowds.
41:41I am afraid of the level of violence.
41:43I don't want that to increase.
41:45And if that happens,
41:47it can go any which way.
41:49And of course, not to forget,
41:51in 2014,
41:53they were standing together.
41:55Exactly.
41:57They didn't fall in 126 days.
41:59They were established together.
42:01That seems difficult.
42:03But I think,
42:05it will be a victory for Imran Khan.
42:07His dialogue will be initiated.
42:09Sir, you wanted to say something.
42:11I will ask my next question.
42:13I wanted to point out
42:15one thing.
42:17The Supreme Court
42:19has not heard the case of 26th amendment.
42:21Yes.
42:23It has not been decided
42:25who will hear the case of 26th amendment.
42:27Will it be Ayni Bench?
42:29Ayni Bench,
42:31who now has
42:33the right to 184.
42:35Or Mansoor Ali Shah?
42:37You may remember that
42:39Mansoor Ali Shah and Muneeb Akhtar
42:41have an order from the Procedures Committee
42:43to form a full court
42:45and hear the case of 26th amendment.
42:49And that order,
42:51the Procedures Committee's order,
42:53has not been set aside
42:55in the subsequent Procedures Committee meeting.
42:57That means,
42:59that order is in the field.
43:01The Supreme Court will have to figure out
43:03what to do with it.
43:05One possibility
43:07to avoid Malik Sahib's
43:09protest,
43:11which is a real threat.
43:13Malik Sahib's protest?
43:15Predicted.
43:17Predicted protest.
43:19That is,
43:21that if
43:23there is a little pressure on the streets,
43:25then Imran Khan Sahib's
43:27first demand is to
43:29undo the 26th amendment.
43:31So maybe,
43:33because of that street pressure,
43:35a full court committee,
43:37under the Procedures Committee,
43:39should be formed,
43:41to hear the case of 26th amendment.
43:43And if this case starts like this,
43:45then maybe this is enough
43:47to send everyone home,
43:49that the entire court is sitting,
43:51all the judges are sitting,
43:53and if it starts like this,
43:55then Imran Khan Sahib will say,
43:57we are going home.
43:59Not only this,
44:01but you will remember,
44:03Mr. Badami,
44:05when the Iftikhar Chaudhary
44:07challenge started,
44:09which was being heard by
44:11Khalil Ramdey's 13-member bench,
44:13when the street power started,
44:15when the lawyers movement started,
44:17then the temperament of the bench
44:19changed.
44:21How many people will come out,
44:23what does the Supreme Court do
44:25on the 26th amendment,
44:27this is a big direct effect.
44:29Mr. Malik, is this the second
44:31innocent request of Saad Rasool
44:33in this show?
44:35No, no, no, no,
44:37we were involved,
44:39we were covering,
44:41we used to meet everyone.
44:43The real pressure came
44:45when General Kiani
44:47threw all his support
44:49to the Supreme Court.
44:51Then the lawyer movement was formed.
44:53Today, the same lawyers are divided.
44:55Where did all that movement go?
44:57Where did everything go?
44:59Those are big factors.
45:01Secondly, the government and
45:03the establishment created
45:05such a big mess,
45:07that the amendment was done,
45:09not because you gave
45:11Mansoor Ali Shah and Justice Muneeb
45:13a free hand to play.
45:15Ayesha Malik is not sitting
45:17in the Supreme Court.
45:19This is a big divide.
45:21When Yahya Fareedi
45:23tried to bring Mansoor Ali Shah
45:25and Justice Muneeb together again,
45:27he wrote a letter to the 4th
45:29in which he threw them out.
45:31That is why in such a divided
45:33Supreme Court, nobody is going
45:35to give a damn about this.
45:37You are talking about the
45:39Procedure Committee,
45:41the Supreme Court bench
45:43said that there will be elections
45:45where the decision
45:47given in the Supreme Court
45:49will not be heard.
45:51What is the use of sitting
45:53in a committee?
45:55You are right.
45:57If we follow this tradition
45:59that judicial decisions
46:01have no effect,
46:03I am telling you that
46:05this is what is going on right now.
46:07There is no law.
46:09This is what is going on.
46:11He is not saying that
46:13there is no law.
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