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CATÁSTROFE EN VALENCIA: SIGUE LA BÚSQUEDA DE DESAPARECIDOS
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11/1/2024
Hablamos con el periodista argentino desde españa, Gastón Burome quien se encuentra en la ruta escapando de "Dana", la tormenta que azotó a Valencia y ya lleva más de 200 muertos y centenares de desaparecidos.
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00:00
Well, you're on top of the car, I imagine it will be difficult to move, right?
00:04
I'll tell you, we were going here with a friend, Maxi,
00:07
we were going to Catarroca, which is one of the places where not so much help is coming,
00:14
we were mobilizing with the car, well,
00:17
he grabs us, I'm going to turn the camera around so that I can show you the situation,
00:21
how many people live on top of each other, it's a holiday,
00:23
and this is being done on a holiday, imagine a weekday,
00:29
because now they are also taking this highway that they didn't have to take,
00:32
because the highway that goes to Barcelona is completely blocked,
00:36
so you can't get out of there,
00:37
so today is a chaotic day in terms of traffic,
00:41
to get to Cayacuba, there are a lot of pedestrians,
00:44
there is a lot of traffic, you have to get there much faster than they are.
00:48
Of course, there are talks of 200 dead in the entire state of Valencia,
00:54
I imagine there are more complicated areas than others,
00:56
now, does the water start to go down, Gastón, or does it not recede?
01:00
Yes, it is going down, because it really was,
01:06
that is, around Maxi we are losing 4 meters of water,
01:11
which is already going down because it didn't rain again,
01:15
so for now we are in better conditions, let's say, than it was 24 hours ago.
01:22
Of course, of course.
01:23
Now, you told me yesterday, we were chatting on the radio and you told me that
01:27
it was impressive the moment when the most complex part came,
01:33
that you had never lived there the same.
01:36
Yes, as it was, it was 8 or 10 minutes that swept everything.
01:43
Well, Maxi, who is here driving with me, he works with the truck,
01:47
he had to do it, he took it going to work or going back to work,
01:53
if you want, Paxi can tell you here,
01:55
Facundo can tell you his experience, he was in a traffic jam.
02:00
Maxi, how are you? How are you?
02:02
Hello, Facundo, good afternoon.
02:06
What did you live, tell me, in that fatal moment?
02:11
The storm hit me in the middle of the road,
02:15
on Highway 7, which enters from Albacete,
02:21
from the Spanish part of Albacete, towards the city of Valencia.
02:27
And nothing, the tornado, the part of the tornado that of winds
02:32
and the overflow of water from the nearby rivers and the road was cut off.
02:37
And we were up the road for two days, waiting for them to enable it.
02:41
Of course, and you stayed there, you had to sleep in the truck.
02:45
Yes, yes, up the road.
02:47
We stayed as we would be now, but sleeping there.
02:49
Okay, but did Maxi have resources to be able to support you,
02:53
even if it was a couple of hours?
02:56
I was lucky that the police cut off the,
03:02
let's say, the bumper, to go from road to road,
03:06
they cut off the communication that there is and we could turn around
03:10
above the highway and park in a service station.
03:15
No, but there are many colleagues who stayed on the side of the road,
03:18
and nothing, in the middle of the road, without anything,
03:22
no service, no water, no food.
03:26
And we spent two nights like that, until they were able to enable the road.
03:32
Of course. Miriam?
03:33
Yes, I wanted to consult you, because here
03:38
there was a lot of talk about some hydraulic developments
03:41
that made a fairly important river change or flood the area,
03:46
and that some adduce that it was the change in this course
03:51
that produced or encouraged this situation,
03:55
this disaster zone, in terms of this flood that was formed.
04:00
Do you have any news about this?
04:03
Well, what Maxi also knows,
04:06
we were talking just a while ago, they did a whole work,
04:09
because after the last, let's say, situations that Valencia had suffered,
04:14
they did works so that the river Turia passed by,
04:17
let's say, through Valencia, so Valencia itself, in the center,
04:20
did not suffer so much the flood or so much the storm
04:24
as we suffer it, because we are in the towns,
04:27
in the outskirts of Valencia, not in the center.
04:29
I understand. Well, and the accumulation of mud,
04:32
because obviously, due to the orography,
04:35
a slope is produced from the upper areas to the lower areas.
04:39
How much can you measure the accumulation of mud?
04:42
It has been said that one meter, two meters of mud
04:44
is accumulated in the central areas, even.
04:48
Yes, the truth is that...
04:52
The river Turia,
04:54
formerly, during the flood of 1957 in Valencia,
04:57
passed through the middle of Valencia.
04:59
As a result of that flood, they did it
05:01
costing the whole city of Valencia Capital,
05:04
and Valencia Capital did not suffer damage in the flood.
05:08
But the river that goes down from the Requena area,
05:12
which is 17 waters, which is at the height,
05:14
which is in the mountains, which begins in the mountains.
05:17
From there, everything went down through the river called El Pollo.
05:21
Yes. El Pollo, I think.
05:22
And that was the one that passed through the cities,
05:27
through the middle of the cities, and it was the one that overflowed
05:30
and flooded the cities. Very clear, very clear.
05:32
But if you are talking about 70 centimeters of...
05:37
of mud in the houses.
05:39
And the problem is that there are many cars
05:42
mounted on top of each other,
05:45
as if they were piled up.
05:46
And people still can't get out of their houses.
05:50
Sure. Let's see.
05:52
I was asking him, we were chatting with Gastón and Maxi,
05:57
if there was a kind of dissent
06:00
regarding how Valencia reported as a state,
06:05
as a province, and how the national government reported.
06:08
And if in the media, people were not confused
06:11
about what could happen,
06:14
beyond force, nature, right?
06:18
Yes, imagine, as Facundo told you yesterday,
06:21
this happened to us around five and a half, six in the afternoon
06:24
and the third came at eight o'clock at night.
06:26
Sure. I repeated that, Alberto and Gastón.
06:28
At five and a half, six in the afternoon,
06:32
the events began to happen,
06:34
everything began to fly through the air.
06:37
And at eight o'clock at night,
06:40
the alerts began to sound.
06:43
If I'm not mistaken, Maxi, at eight o'clock at night.
06:45
What is the alert system like?
06:47
What exactly is it that we use here in the Argentine Republic?
06:51
How does it sound on your cell phones,
06:52
the alert issued by the provincial, national or municipal authority?
06:58
You are using the phone or you are not using it
07:01
and it sounds like a beep that does not stop.
07:04
I mean, it's beep, beep, beep, constantly.
07:07
It's a very loud beep,
07:09
a beep that you can hear,
07:11
you can even hear the neighbor's, imagine.
07:13
And that was delayed for eight hours
07:15
with respect to the meteorological report
07:17
issued by the National Meteorological Agency.
07:20
That is the controversy that we have received here
07:24
and we have heard, of course.
07:27
Of course, we had an orange alert
07:29
in the morning on Tuesday,
07:30
which told us that the children would not go to school.
07:34
But after that, everything was very cloudy in the morning.
07:39
Then it started to clear up a bit,
07:40
but after four o'clock in the afternoon,
07:42
it started to get dark again, very dark.
07:46
And that's where at five and a half, six in the afternoon,
07:49
everything started, as I say.
07:52
And the cell phones, the alert on the cell phones came up later.
07:56
Yes, yes, as I told you, at eight o'clock at night.
08:00
Sure.
08:01
Look, I want to put a minute, Gastón, a video
08:04
that you are going to see,
08:06
because there Maxi works with trucks,
08:08
we are going to describe it to you,
08:10
but it is a video of a mail
08:15
that arrives, look, it is shocking,
08:18
because we are talking about a high car,
08:21
a high vehicle, but it is getting in, it is getting in,
08:24
trusting that suddenly it will be able to move forward
08:27
and at a certain moment, there is no way for it to move forward
08:33
and it ends up driven, Javi, by the water.
08:37
By the water, and this is what happened to many cars and trucks,
08:41
not to mention, imagine that it happens to trucks.
08:45
You know that there is a technique, a route,
08:49
that in the face of a flood, when the car has,
08:54
for example, the water up to the hood,
08:59
not going through the hood, of course, up to the hood,
09:02
one should, to try to get out of the car,
09:05
you can't open the door, because the water, what it does to you is
09:08
a counterweight so you can't open it.
09:10
It is with the feet, with both feet,
09:13
sitting and almost lying down,
09:16
in the seat, pushing what is precisely the windshield,
09:20
to take it out.
09:21
You take it out, you manage to get it out there.
09:23
You don't break it, you take it out, from below,
09:26
so that it opens as if it were a window.
09:29
This is the recommendation, Javi.
09:30
This is a recommendation.
09:32
As far as possible, do not lower the windows
09:34
so that the car does not flood you and have the possibility of going out,
09:37
climbing the hood and then to the roof, if there is no other remedy.
09:41
Eventually swim, of course.
09:42
Yes, or stay in the car,
09:45
because the car, when it is filled with water, falls.
09:48
Some of the vehicles, we saw them floating,
09:51
but on the side, dragged, pushed by others too.
09:54
Many people were saved because they stayed on the roofs of the cars
09:57
and others were carried by the current with the car
09:59
and despite the fact that they were on top of the roof,
10:02
with this current, they couldn't.
10:04
Maxi, in your case, the truck, how far did the water get?
10:09
No, in my case, I didn't suffer so much water,
10:12
it was more than 40 centimeters.
10:15
But hey, as that truck image shows,
10:17
that truck has a weight of 17,000 kilos.
10:22
Of course, a lot.
10:24
So, because of the force that the water had,
10:28
you couldn't do much more.
10:30
There it says that it was not signaled,
10:31
that the road was flooded
10:33
and the truck does not realize,
10:34
thinking that there was not so much water and gets in.
10:36
Those are the comments that there are.
10:37
In fact, the driver is still missing.
10:40
Both the driver and the truck cannot find him.
10:43
Maxi, the...
10:44
But there are trucks...
10:46
Yes, continue, please.
10:47
There are trucks that are mounted on top of the cars.
10:50
That is, the water raised 17,000 kilos
10:52
as if it were a crane and mounted it on top of the cars.
10:56
Maxi, you have already heard the figure here of 202 dead,
11:00
unfortunately, and more than 100 missing at this time.
11:04
Have you heard this figure too?
11:07
Has it been updated in the last few minutes?
11:09
And the other question,
11:10
how are you with the issue of the supply of, I don't know,
11:14
of electricity,
11:15
of drinking water, for example?
11:17
And what is the health care that you are receiving?
11:23
Well, the first one was the issue of...
11:26
Yes, yes, the number of dead,
11:29
missing and updated.
11:30
Missing, yes.
11:31
Let's see.
11:32
It is that now, when the water goes down,
11:34
they are able to take out the cars,
11:36
they are able to enter the houses.
11:38
So, unfortunately,
11:40
the people who already figured out how to disappear,
11:43
they find them and they are dead.
11:46
There are many cars inside the river.
11:51
They can't, they don't have access to the river,
11:54
they don't know if there are people or not.
11:57
So, there are many,
12:00
they are very busy, a lot of work.
12:03
Yes, there are...
12:05
Today, the military forces were seen more,
12:11
the military forces,
12:15
working.
12:16
In some places, services have already started to come,
12:20
both light and water.
12:23
Until yesterday, there was nothing in these places.
12:27
And last night, light and water started to come
12:31
in some places.
12:32
In others, not yet.
12:33
And the number of dead is updated,
12:37
it is updated permanently, unfortunately.
12:40
Every moment.
12:41
Yes.
12:42
Yes, we just talked about it,
12:45
all the water that was dragged
12:48
ended up in the pool.
12:52
It is a swamp that is connected,
12:55
that is, it has a mouth to the sea.
12:57
The sea is now taking everything to the beach,
13:01
everything it dragged.
13:03
So, anything can be found.
13:07
How barbaric.
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