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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:15There are a lot of news today and I will tell you a special inside news as well.
00:19Because I have a great panel today and we will analyze a lot of things that we are not
00:24able to understand.
00:25First of all, we can see that there has been a lot of harassment, then we see that 532
00:31people have been bailed out.
00:32This is the number of people who came to Gandapur on October 8 and fought at the Sanjhani place.
00:3930 people have been released from the cases in Peshawar today, including Taimur Jhagra,
00:452-3 more MPs and many senior ladies.
00:47And these are the cases of May 9, they were released.
00:51And at the same time, now the news is also coming from Zarai that maybe on November 8,
00:57there will be an indictment on Imran Khan Sahib on May 9.
01:02So a mixed bag is going on.
01:04Then we see that Mullahs are making a lot of noise for the past 2-3 days and are using
01:09very harsh language once again for the government and the establishment.
01:13What happened?
01:14A few days ago, the situation was going well.
01:18First, let me introduce my panel and then I will share the news with you.
01:21I was joined in the studio by Mr. Vinod Sirjavid, Kashif Abbasi and we are joined by Mr. Mazhar
01:26Abbas from Karachi.
01:27But first, let me share the news with you from the story of a traitor.
01:31Faisal Saleem, Senator, do you remember that he disappeared or was picked up?
01:37Then it started with the official handle of PTI itself that he has betrayed everything.
01:42And when it started with the official handle of PTI Mardan, then a lot of senior people
01:47who were the main leaders of PTI themselves, they also retweeted it and then the situation
01:51worsened a lot.
01:52I have found out a lot of things about what happened and what did not happen.
01:56This is a very interesting story.
01:58The story is that he disappeared or was picked up, he disappeared on the evening of the SCO
02:04and after that it started about him and Senator Zarka.
02:09I do not know about Senator Zarka, but his story is very interesting.
02:12I have also seen the messages, I have also heard the voice notes and all the conversations.
02:19The best part is that I will not take names right now, but I will show you four pictures
02:24and I can say that one of these people whose voice notes I have heard, whose telephone
02:29conversations I have seen, the whole record and everything.
02:32One of the leaders of PTI, he told Senator Faisal to come to Peshawar immediately.
02:38Senator Faisal had gone out earlier.
02:40Then his niece was getting married, he had come for her.
02:44He said that I am safe, there are guards here and everything.
02:49He said no, you go to Peshawar.
02:51Then he left for Peshawar.
02:53Believe me, there is a constant telephone conversation going on between that leader
02:58and there was another person with him, whose name I will not share right now.
03:01And the location was being asked again and again.
03:05And he was saying that now I have reached here, now I have reached here.
03:09And then he was on the same telephone.
03:11And when you leave Islamabad, you go to a place called Dushakha,
03:16from where one road goes to Islamabad Airport and the other road goes to Peshawar.
03:22There were five cars waiting there.
03:25And they were picked up from there.
03:27So one leader knew exactly at what time and at what place they were.
03:32I have seen the entire tracking, I have seen the watch notes.
03:35Anyway, they are picked up from there.
03:38And then they are kept in a room for three to four days.
03:41And according to their family, someone told me to vote once or twice.
03:47Then there was no pressure after that.
03:49And then they were released later.
03:51Anyway, when the family calls that leader, he does not pick up the phone.
03:56And the other leader, who was picked up exactly at the time of his picking up,
04:01he also disappears from the scene.
04:04He has another friend who is a senior party leader.
04:07When his brother talks to him, he tells him two days later
04:11that he has been intercepted.
04:14Now this is a complete detail.
04:16And this is a very interesting detail because the person who called him,
04:21especially took him out, took the location from him every five minutes,
04:25he is in a very important position right now.
04:28And now we are getting information from Peshawar that there is another person from Peshawar
04:31who is very prominent and if he denies this story,
04:34then I will share all the names with you.
04:37Now it has been said that they are also talking about their seat.
04:40That if this seat is vacated, then it is a matter of about 50-60 crores
04:44that the seat of the Senate will be given to that person.
04:47He is also a very big business person.
04:50I think that if this matter is to be solved now,
04:54then Imran Khan should be called, Senator Faisal Salim,
04:59and ask him.
05:00Maybe he will get a very big story about what was happening behind the scenes
05:04in the protest and all these things.
05:06This was my today's news.
05:08And I am saying this again to you on record, on air.
05:11I have seen those messages.
05:13I have seen those telephone calls.
05:16I have seen the entire track record and who I spoke to and who I did not.
05:19Because I was under the condition that I was giving a story
05:22that you will not tell their names.
05:24These four people on the screen are the Senate leaders.
05:27They are all respectable.
05:28One of them, if you want to guess, you can guess.
05:31But this is what is going on.
05:33In the meantime, we are seeing that no one is understanding the situation.
05:37Some people say that today Busha Bibi also went,
05:40but she was not allowed to meet alone.
05:42She met with the entire group.
05:44The second thing I have heard is that Mr. Khan was very angry
05:47when it came to tomorrow's elections.
05:49How did the people of his group lose to KP?
05:52Anyway, it is not that important to think.
05:55But listen to what Maulana has said in the last 2-3 days.
06:04I am listening a little bit.
06:07There is another 27th term coming.
06:09What could not be done in this, let it be done.
06:11Your father is also not there.
06:13Do it and show me.
06:14And then see what your resolve is.
06:16It is not that easy
06:18that you will easily bring some amendment
06:20and we will sit at home wearing bangles like women.
06:24The 26th amendment was withdrawn.
06:26It will be brought to the assembly again through some amendment.
06:30And you will pass it by the votes of the votes.
06:33And then we will let it go.
06:35The amendment passed by the votes of the votes
06:37is not acceptable to the nation.
06:39The government was made in the assembly
06:41and the management for it
06:43failed in the 26th amendment.
06:46It means that their wisdom has failed.
06:49There are 56 clauses
06:51which are present in the original draft.
06:54And we brought it to 22 clauses from 56 clauses.
06:58If we do not vote after that,
07:00the members who bought it from inside,
07:03and it is a fact that they bought it.
07:05They needed 8 votes of ours.
07:07They had bought 11 votes.
07:09And they had saved it in their safe.
07:11If we had not voted,
07:13it would have been a worse draft
07:15and it would have been successful.
07:17The elections are held,
07:19but the results are arranged by someone else.
07:22The management is of someone else.
07:24How many assemblies came
07:26and such laws were made
07:28that instead of strengthening
07:30the grip of the public
07:32and the public institutions
07:34on the system of the country,
07:36it strengthened the grip
07:38of the establishment.
07:40Even today, the plan was
07:42to make more progress.
07:44We have endured the hardships
07:46of a month.
07:48But we did not allow
07:50their grip to be strengthened.
07:52So many decades have passed.
07:54We are deprived of peace and security.
07:56And we are given lollipops.
07:58Sir, if this problem is solved now,
08:00it will be solved tomorrow,
08:02it will be solved at night.
08:04And we will continue the war
08:06against terrorism.
08:08Hatred is being created
08:10by the people.
08:14One morning,
08:16the other morning,
08:18they are talking about terrorism.
08:20Can there be any more stupidity
08:22than this?
08:24They talk about their rights.
08:26They talk about bringing
08:28their resources into use.
08:30They are called traitors.
08:32Yes, Mr. Shah,
08:34let's start with you.
08:36Why is Maulana Sahib doing so much?
08:39He bought 11 votes
08:41from the government.
08:43Salman Iqram Raja was right
08:45when he denied the JUI.
08:47He said that
08:49Maulana Sahib told him
08:51that it is not possible
08:53to go any further.
08:55He suggested
08:57a compromise.
08:59Why is Maulana Sahib
09:01doing so much?
09:03Is he not getting
09:05the things that
09:07the government wants?
09:09Is he not getting
09:11the 27th amendment?
09:13The biggest thing is that
09:15you are being unfair.
09:17Whenever you see
09:19Maulana's conduct,
09:21I request you
09:23not to assess it
09:25only in the context of Pakistan.
09:27You should appreciate
09:29that
09:31the Daesh has issued
09:33a fatwa on 72 pages
09:35and it has been
09:37circulated
09:39on a large scale.
09:41It is being spread
09:43that
09:45in the name of religion,
09:47our power
09:49and those people
09:51who rely more
09:53on Madrasas and extremists
09:55are spreading this.
09:57Maulana Sahib
09:59has to maintain
10:01that constituency
10:03and remember
10:05that Maulana has been
10:07attacked many times.
10:09Thirdly,
10:11despite everything
10:13we are not ready
10:15to accept
10:17Maulana's relationship
10:19with D.I. Khan
10:21and his hold
10:23that Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
10:25fought in 5 constituencies
10:27in 1970
10:29and won everywhere
10:31and now
10:33Maulana Mufti Mehmood
10:35has to leave D.I. Khan
10:37and go to Pashin
10:39to join the National Assembly
10:41in 1947.
10:43Secondly,
10:45he himself says
10:47that it is not possible
10:49to leave D.I. Khan's
10:51constituencies after 7 pm.
10:53Whether it is Maulana
10:55or Faisal Kareem Kundi
10:57from the same city
11:00you can keep the Governor
11:02and the Prime Minister
11:04and after Maghrib prayer
11:06people should be told
11:08to stay at home
11:10and we cannot take responsibility
11:12for your safety.
11:14So, sir,
11:16you should do your speeches
11:18whether it is Ali Ameen Gandapur
11:20or Faisal Kareem Kundi
11:22speak openly.
11:24It is not in their hands.
11:26So, Maulana's real fear
11:28is that he may be attacked
11:30by more extremists.
11:32Secondly,
11:34who was the first one
11:36to say this publicly?
11:38Maulana said,
11:40what is this?
11:42There was no amendment
11:44at that time.
11:46What is this?
11:48There should be a panel
11:50and the original line
11:52should be,
11:54who said this publicly?
11:56So, if he has signed
11:58on that,
12:00then it is fine.
12:02As for the 8th amendment
12:04it was Kamran Mustafa Murtaza
12:06who said it.
12:10But, Kashif,
12:12a day ago he said
12:14even his father cannot do it.
12:16It is the 27th amendment.
12:18It is right that
12:20he has some things for his constituency.
12:22Why is the ruling alliance
12:24taking on the opposition?
12:28In the last few years,
12:30when Maulana started
12:32opposition politics
12:34and took on the government,
12:36Maulana enjoyed a lot of popularity.
12:38If you talk to his people,
12:40they will tell you
12:42that we are the real voice of the opposition.
12:44Maulana is the opposition lead.
12:46A party member of Maulana's party
12:48asked me
12:50whether I would vote for the 26th amendment
12:53or not.
12:55I said, Maulana wants to lead the opposition.
12:57He wants me to be the leader of the entire opposition.
12:59He said, it is not possible
13:01that we have to vote for the other party.
13:03Whatever story he told me at that time.
13:05So, Maulana had this desire
13:07that he should be the leader of the opposition.
13:09And with this position,
13:11when Tariq-e-Insaaf
13:13started raising slogans
13:15that who will save Pakistan,
13:17Fazl-ur-Rehman, Fazl-ur-Rehman,
13:19Maulana was also on a high
13:21After the support
13:23of the 26th amendment,
13:25he was shocked
13:27that Maulana was always playing a game.
13:29He was always playing a game.
13:31And he had to go that way.
13:33I think it is very possible
13:35that Maulana will take back
13:37that opposition.
13:39And Maulana is right.
13:41Someone from the government
13:43told me that the people were not enough.
13:45Maulana was sent a message
13:47that these are the people
13:49who should break the other parties.
13:51The amendment has to be done.
13:53If they come with us,
13:55they should come.
13:57So, are they replaying
13:59the 26th amendment in anticipation
14:01of the 27th amendment?
14:03Look, I don't think
14:05there is a 27th amendment at the moment.
14:07Whoever I have spoken to,
14:09people are saying
14:11that there is no 27th amendment
14:13at the moment.
14:15There are some shortcomings
14:17but they say it is misreported.
14:19It is misreported.
14:21Look, the problem is
14:23that if the military courts
14:25were to be made,
14:27they would have done it earlier.
14:29But it is possible that
14:31the order has come
14:33to create a consensus on it.
14:35They would have done it earlier
14:37but people are still saying
14:39that there is no 27th amendment.
14:41So, you are saying that
14:43Maulana will take back
14:46the 27th amendment.
14:48What is the biggest vote
14:50in Pakistan at the moment?
14:52I am sorry to say that
14:54Birbal Bhutto Zardari
14:56went to Lahore.
14:58He had nothing to do
15:00with the amendment.
15:02He went to see the polo event.
15:04He went to see the polo match
15:06after the meeting.
15:08When my brother was supposed
15:10to go there,
15:12I told the Prime Minister
15:14to meet him.
15:16It is said that
15:18there was no such thing.
15:20It is misreported.
15:22It is a version of the Muslim League.
15:24It is a version of both sides of the government.
15:26No, but Mr. Rana Sinhaullah is on record.
15:28He said that there was no such thing.
15:30But it was said that
15:32the legislation that is to be done
15:34should be agreed upon
15:36and when it comes to the 27th amendment
15:38it should be agreed upon.
15:40It is possible that
15:42Shahji, it is also possible
15:44that
15:46as a reporter
15:48after a lot of research
15:50it is possible
15:52that he went to see the polo match
15:54to talk about it.
15:56What do you mean by that?
15:58If we have found something
16:00out of everything
16:02and there were four people
16:04and none of us knows
16:06whose name is being mentioned
16:08then it is the responsibility
16:10of the media.
16:12If you are an anchor
16:14then you should know
16:16where the location of the match is.
16:18If you allow me
16:20What are you saying?
16:22Listen to me.
16:24I know the main version of the story
16:26I told you during the break.
16:28If you want
16:30No, I am not.
16:32You can do whatever you want.
16:34Don't try to act smart with us.
16:36You are a reporter and I am a reporter.
16:39I am on about
16:41you can do whatever you want.
16:43I am on about
16:45you can do whatever you want.
16:47We are three reporters
16:49and you think it is my compulsion.
16:51We are three reporters.
16:53I will tell you two more versions.
16:55They were kept somewhere
16:57and told not to go from here.
16:59One version is that
17:01I will tell you the name of the person
17:03I have seen the data.
17:05You have to see the location.
17:07When I was coming
17:09your coordinator asked me three times
17:11where Mr. Nusrat is.
17:13He was not waiting for you.
17:15He was there.
17:17If I had asked you
17:19four times
17:21you would have been taken away.
17:23First of all
17:25You listen to Mr. Mazhar.
17:27He is listening patiently.
17:29He is tolerating.
17:31He is not in the studio.
17:33If you want to add anything
17:35please feel free to add.
17:37If you want to add anything
17:39please feel free to add.
17:41But tell me
17:43a new thing is going on
17:45that there is an impression
17:47that if there is no deal
17:49then the deal has started.
17:51Today we saw that 532 people were bailed out.
17:5330 people including MPAs
17:55and Taimur Jagra
17:57are also released.
17:59We are also hearing about the indictment.
18:01Bushra Bibi was allowed to meet
18:03even though it was done in a group.
18:05These things are going on together.
18:07Is there really something going on?
18:09Or is it just a rumour?
18:11That there is credibility damage
18:13where Mr. Khan said
18:15that there will be no deal.
18:17But at the same time
18:19there is an impression
18:21that there is a deal.
18:23What do you think is going on?
18:27We are all reporters.
18:29If we see
18:32whether it is about the deal
18:34or the 27th amendment
18:36I think
18:38these are all fillers
18:40that have been left to see the feedback.
18:42The 27th amendment
18:44has been left as a filler.
18:46No court or minister is verifying it
18:48but a filler is going on.
18:50And no reporter
18:52is coming forward with a verified news
18:54that if it is the 27th amendment
18:56then there will be a draft of it.
18:58But a debate is going on
19:00and I think
19:02because such news
19:04are often fed
19:06that the feedback should be
19:08that if something is coming
19:10about the military court
19:12then what will be the overall
19:14reaction to it?
19:16The first time I heard
19:18about the 27th amendment
19:20I heard it at that time
19:22and it is a completely different amendment.
19:24When the Muslim League's spokesman
19:26came to meet MQM in Karachi
19:28he shared a draft
19:30in front of them
19:32and he said that
19:34our MOU
19:36has a commitment
19:38and I spoke to
19:40Mustafa Kamal sir one day ago
19:42and he said that it has already been
19:44in the committee
19:46and it is only related to the local governments
19:48and the 140A
19:50constitution.
19:52So the first time I heard about it
19:54I heard it quote unquote
19:56I heard it from MQM
19:58that we are bringing the 27th amendment
20:00and it is related
20:02to the local governments.
20:04This new thing that has come
20:06is completely different.
20:08Now tell me, like the deal
20:10all the ministers are saying
20:12that there is a deal
20:14listen to Khawaja Asif
20:16listen to Javed Lateef
20:18if the government itself is saying
20:20that there is a deal
20:22then what can be more shameful
20:24than that
20:26that if no one is talking to them
20:28and they are making a deal with someone else
20:30then why are they making a deal with the government?
20:32and why are they doing it?
20:34So I feel that
20:36this is also an angle
20:38that you people used to talk so much
20:40that there will be no deal
20:42and now you are going there
20:44and making a deal
20:46we are not involved in this crime
20:48but you are making a deal
20:50so there has to be a negative impression
20:52otherwise
20:54if Khawaja Asif
20:56is saying this
20:58then Khawaja Asif is the minister of defence
21:00so tell me
21:02is this not happening in the Muslim League?
21:04that the Muslim League
21:06the established Muslim League
21:08has a circle
21:10to discredit
21:12things between the establishment and the government
21:14Mazar Abbas
21:16we have seen in history
21:18that to become a defence minister
21:20the escorts behind you
21:22are the rangers
21:24so people in villages are more scared
21:26can a defence minister
21:28ask the army chief
21:30what he is doing
21:32the defence minister
21:34is saying that
21:36there is no Usra in Pakistan
21:38no no no
21:40Ali Ahmed Talpur
21:42Ali Ahmed Talpur
21:44was the defence minister
21:46one of our photographers
21:48went for a job
21:50he said
21:52I am not a minister of defence
21:54I am a minister of self defence
21:56so the problem is not this
21:58the problem is
22:00when the minister
22:02is talking
22:04and the minister is saying
22:06that there is a deal
22:08there is a compromise
22:10there is a compromise from within
22:12so in a way
22:14you are discrediting the establishment
22:16you are discrediting
22:18that the establishment is doing
22:20things with the opposition
22:22this means that
22:24there is a concern in the Muslim League
22:26and the circle
22:28which is closer to Nawaz Sharif
22:30and that
22:32Shahbaz Sharif is
22:34running the government
22:36his affairs are fine
22:38so here if someone
22:40maybe you are gesturing
22:42to the government
22:44that the establishment is happy
22:46the government is happy
22:48I don't have a break
22:50I don't have a break
22:52I don't have a break
22:54I don't have a break
22:56but I will leave a sensitive question
22:58I will leave a sensitive question
23:00I will ask all three of you
23:02all three of you
23:04explain to me what can be a deal
23:06because on 8th February
23:08or 9th February
23:10after that
23:12the government will not get anything
23:14the conflict
23:16between the Khans and the institution
23:18is so severe that
23:20there is a situation
23:22so if there is a deal
23:24what can happen
23:26because if Imran Khan gets a deal
23:28then the whole system is theirs
23:30how will they support him
23:32what is in it for the establishment
23:34that they give a deal to Imran Khan
23:36don't give me so much anger
23:38Shahzad
23:40because if they get a deal
23:42then the whole system is theirs
23:44after the break
23:52welcome back
23:54Shahzad
23:56how will the deal happen
23:58because deal means
24:00the whole system is theirs
24:02since I have been sitting here
24:04you have asked this question for the first time
24:06I don't see any possibility of any deal
24:08Mazhar is absolutely right
24:10all types of fillers
24:12are being left
24:14and this is not happening in Pakistan
24:16my brother
24:18ever since we have
24:20started this business
24:22our 6 to 8 months
24:24have been spent on fillers
24:26but what Mazhar is saying
24:28is that the government will be insulted
24:30if they themselves say that a deal is being made
24:32is the government involved in this
24:34Mazhar is 100% right
24:36Mazhar is 100% right
24:38Wazir-e-Difa
24:40Wazir-e-Difa
24:42this is exactly what you are saying
24:44just like in Afghanistan
24:46there is Wazir-e-Bahri Amoor
24:48this is done
24:50or we have Wazir-e-Qanun
24:52or whatever
24:54now what you are doing
24:56you are doing two things
24:58this is my mobile phone
25:00you show it on twitter
25:02this is your Dita Daleri
25:04you are writing a tweet
25:06you are writing a tweet
25:08that there is something
25:10which is being hidden
25:12whoever has committed theft
25:14whoever has put a command
25:16he knows how theft is done
25:18who brought the vote
25:20by giving Bajwa an extension
25:22so he knows how deals are made
25:24with the government
25:26so he could smell it
25:28from his experience
25:30so either he is right
25:32or he is wrong
25:34because he brought P M Allain
25:36from giving respect to vote
25:38to giving extension to Bajwa
25:40so he knows how it is done
25:42he wrote a tweet
25:44my issue is not that
25:46whether a deal is being made or not
25:48if I say that if a deal
25:50brings stability in this country
25:52then let it happen
25:54I just don't understand
25:56and deals are known after it happens
25:58first talks are made
26:00I am thinking
26:02are there any grounds
26:04on which a deal can be made
26:06because this is a different story
26:08what are the things on which deals can be made
26:10ultimately there are only two things
26:12if you present a scenario
26:14that if Imran Khan comes out
26:16then the government will be silent
26:18and let him run for two years
26:20if Imran Khan goes out
26:22like Mian Sahib did
26:24if he goes out of diaspora
26:26Imran Khan will not be silent
26:28I see millions of people on the streets
26:30the political dynamics will change
26:32whatever the deal is
26:34I am just trying to figure out
26:36whether a deal is possible or not
26:38it is possible
26:40we can't say that a deal can't be made
26:42there are deals in Pakistan
26:44they have made deals
26:46they went out of Pakistan
26:48Twitter went silent
26:50Mian Sahib went out
26:52they came back
26:54these things happen in Pakistan
26:56the temperature
26:58the way Imran Khan is enjoying his popularity
27:00whatever you argue about it
27:02can it happen in these circumstances
27:04what can happen in these circumstances
27:06I think it is difficult
27:08because
27:10a deal is made when both parties are ready
27:12two steps back
27:14one person says I will step back
27:16you take some time
27:18I will calm down
27:20the problem is that
27:22the place where you are standing
27:24because Imran Khan did not cut you
27:26he did long marches
27:28against the appointment
27:30because
27:32we are in such a place
27:34that is why I find a deal difficult
27:36otherwise it is not difficult to make a deal
27:38you can see the personalities
27:40someone underwrites the deal
27:42who is going to underwrite here
27:44I don't think there is a deal
27:46if there is a deal, no one knows
27:48when the deal is done
27:50it will be executed
27:52we have to be empathetic
27:54because Tariq Khan's acceptance
27:56if he says the deal is done
27:58they think because of this
28:00we will get a political benefit
28:02and everyone is saying this
28:04but I don't think a deal can be made now
28:06because the two parties involved
28:08if a deal is to be made
28:10they both will not be ready
28:12Bushra's coming out
28:14these bails
28:16then 30 people getting free
28:18in the 9th case
28:20are these just CBMs
28:22or a coincidence
28:24see Bushra's
28:26these can be CBMs or a coincidence
28:28anything can happen
28:30it can also be that
28:32we all are 30 years old
28:34that is why I am asking
28:36I am 25
28:38I will look at it
28:40entirely differently
28:42he is right
28:44this can be a CBM or something else
28:46I personally think
28:48apparently
28:50an ease out situation
28:52or tightening
28:54as you said
28:56there is another
28:58ferocious attack in the making
29:00Muzzafi Imran Khan
29:02Muzzaf same question
29:04how do you see it
29:06what is the possibility
29:08it is very simple
29:10in Pakistan
29:12anti-establishment
29:14narrative is sold
29:16and it is very strong
29:18at this time
29:20the image of the government
29:22the image of PMLN
29:24and People's Party is
29:26pro-establishment
29:28that they are toeing the line of establishment
29:30establishment has brought them
29:3226th Tarbim establishment
29:34which is the case of judges of Islamabad High Court
29:36which is the whole matter
29:38and who is benefiting from it
29:40Imran Khan
29:42one person matters
29:44in the politics of Pakistan
29:46is Imran Khan
29:48the image of Imran Khan
29:50is that
29:52there is no talk, no deal
29:54nothing is happening
29:56you people fight
29:58now this image
30:00is similar to the image of anti-establishment
30:02therefore
30:04like Kashif said
30:06to discredit Imran Khan
30:08to discredit PTI
30:10and you gave a gesture
30:12you gave a gesture
30:14you left Alima Khan
30:16no new case was established
30:18now after that
30:20people of Muslim League
30:22got into the debate
30:24that some issues are happening
30:26some talks are taking place
30:28you left Alima Khan
30:30you left other people
30:32Imran Khan's media talk
30:34the image is that
30:36there is no talk
30:38the question is
30:40if there is going to be talk in the establishment
30:42is the government going?
30:44is the government being sent home?
30:46this is possible
30:48what else can happen?
30:50so in my opinion
30:52the government
30:54and whoever else
30:56they have not been able to
30:58damage the image of Imran Khan
31:00that
31:02the image of Imran Khan
31:04that after the popular leader
31:068th February election
31:08Imran Khan got it
31:10PTI got it
31:12the whole image of PTI is that
31:14otherwise
31:16there is no logic
31:18that if there is going to be talk with Imran Khan
31:20it will be at the cost of
31:22the present government
31:24so why will the establishment
31:26do it at this stage?
31:28what will be the meaning
31:30of doing it at this stage?
31:32so the simple thing is
31:34that I don't think
31:36that there is any talk
31:38with Imran Khan
31:40I don't think
31:42that at any level
31:44a deal is being struck
31:46that Imran Khan should go out
31:48or Imran Khan will come out
31:50nothing like that is happening
31:52one thing that I will say
31:54that Nusrat Sahab said in the beginning
31:56that is JUI
31:58that is Maulana
32:00and the Daesh thing that she said
32:02is absolutely right
32:04and that has been hurt
32:06in the last few years
32:08in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
32:10and that has happened at the hand of PTI
32:12and Imran Khan
32:14today Imran Khan and his
32:16difficulties have reduced
32:18after the 26th amendment
32:20both have come close to each other
32:22and JUI's interest
32:24is more in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
32:26than PTI
32:28if they get the seat of Ali Ameen Gandapur
32:30if they get some other seats
32:32then there will be an understanding
32:34for the next election
32:36but JUI is the only religious
32:38political party
32:40which is the strongest
32:42electronically
32:44you are suggesting
32:46that the people
32:48thought that there will be
32:50a short term gains
32:52that there will be a big part
32:54in Balochistan
32:56but Maulana Sahab
32:58you are talking about
33:00short term gains
33:02and for that you are
33:04trying to prove yourself
33:06as a credible opposition
33:08that is why
33:10because the situation
33:12at the moment
33:14PTI's popularity
33:16is increasing
33:18what are those things
33:20maybe in the next 1-2 years
33:22things will be different
33:24but the situation at the moment
33:26if JUI has elections
33:28mid term elections
33:30what is the ground
33:32of JUI
33:34the ground is KP
33:36or Balochistan
33:38so JUI's
33:40unity
33:42in the future
33:44is because of PTI
33:46it is not because of people's party
33:48PTI
33:50PTI has
33:52freed them
33:54PTI has freed them
33:56so now things are better
33:58with PTI
34:02I agree with you
34:04you are playing for a long time
34:06I have to take a break
34:08I have to take a question
34:10before every break
34:12if there is a deal
34:142 people have to be interested
34:16if you look at the government
34:18and their supporters
34:20they have election commission
34:22where they could change the game
34:24in Punjab
34:26Supreme Court
34:28has been taken over
34:30constitutional benches will be made
34:32I understand that
34:34PTI may need a deal
34:36what is the need of a deal
34:38for civilians or non-civilians
34:40what is the pressure
34:42on them to talk about a deal
34:44we will answer that after the break
34:52welcome back to the show
34:54before the break
34:56I have a question for you
34:58both people should be interested
35:00in the deal
35:02Imran Khan has been in jail for more than a year
35:04the party is in turmoil
35:06everyday we see fights
35:08probably the government
35:10wants him exactly where he is right now
35:12then they will understand
35:14that they want a deal
35:16the government has a lottery
35:18they won the last election
35:20election commission
35:22election tribunals
35:24Supreme Court
35:26constitutional benches
35:28will be made
35:30what is the pressure on them
35:32government or establishment
35:34to make a deal with Imran Khan
35:36the first deal
35:38was with NRO
35:40at that time
35:42Shaukat Aziz was not needed
35:44Shaukat Aziz of present time
35:46is also not needed
35:48neither Shaukat Aziz
35:50of that time
35:52nor Shaukat Aziz
35:54of present time
35:56can deal
35:58someone else will do
36:00Imran is where he is now
36:02as they say
36:04law of diminishing utility
36:06now he has started
36:08enjoying
36:10the status quo
36:12as it is
36:14justice
36:16the next election
36:18is Imran's vote
36:20he has his vote
36:22why should he go for
36:24very quickly
36:26leave Shaukat Aziz
36:28does anyone else
36:30have a right to deal
36:32no one has any fear
36:34right now
36:36whoever wants
36:38that thing
36:40the government and
36:42establishment
36:44but as things stand today
36:46you mitigate that thing
36:48what do you mitigate
36:50vulnerabilities
36:52that you take such a thing
36:54to such a place
36:56where your vulnerabilities
36:58become zero
37:00whenever there is a deal
37:02till Imran Khan does not agree
37:04there will be no deal
37:06I don't think he will agree
37:08but if he agrees
37:10because you are talking about
37:13if Imran Khan agrees
37:15it suits him
37:17why are these things happening
37:19why not face-saving
37:21face-saving can be done for anyone
37:23face-saving Ali Meen
37:25came to Islamabad
37:27how much criticism was there
37:29voter was criticizing
37:31party was criticizing
37:33we didn't know
37:35why will the government
37:37give face-saving
37:39I like that silence
37:42this is a horse
37:44I am running a horse
37:48Mazhar same question to you
37:50he has something to offer
37:52I have done this
37:54nothing more Ali Meen
37:56Gandapur's credentials
37:58will be established
38:02Malik it is very simple
38:04Mutto got bail
38:06once
38:08second time he could not get bail
38:10Imran Khan has not got any bail
38:12and Imran Khan
38:14has not come out of jail
38:16since he went in
38:18if he comes out of jail
38:20and he is allowed
38:22to go and meet
38:24obviously if he comes out
38:26if he comes out
38:28it is a big welcome
38:30many people come out
38:32so can decisions be changed like Bhutto
38:34then
38:36why not
38:38everything can happen
38:40in Pakistan's politics
38:42the current situation
38:44government and PMLN
38:46are governing
38:48not doing politics
38:50PMLN has no other option
38:52because they are not on the ground
38:54as long as
38:56they can provide relief
38:58in electricity
39:00but in Pakistan
39:02performance does not matter
39:04perception matters
39:06both are with Imran Khan
39:08this is the biggest problem
39:10I think
39:12let me finish
39:14every narrative has a counter narrative
39:16like Mazhar said
39:18they are governing
39:20but not doing politics
39:22there is a narrative of PTI
39:24narrative of Imran Khan
39:26does it have a counter narrative
39:28because until there is no counter narrative
39:30only perception will rule over reality
39:32see what happens next
39:34Jazakumullahu Khair
39:36Fatiha

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