بيربوك أخرى من ألمانيا

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00:00I will quote Amnesty from yesterday.

00:03While the war crimes of Hamas would be criticized,

00:06the federal government does not even call Israel a war crime.

00:12Can you give me a war crime in Israel?

00:17I can't give you a war crime that has not been clearly determined,

00:23but I think it is right that it is being investigated.

00:26You can't or don't want to?

00:28You have to make an effort.

00:31But there is a difference.

00:33If I now stand up and say you have committed war crimes,

00:36then that is, so to speak, a...

00:39The point is, you say that in Russia and Hamas too,

00:42and that is completely correct.

00:44And if in Gaza, civil infrastructure, electricity, water, etc. is bombarded,

00:48then that is crystal clear.

00:50If refugee camps that are overcrowded are bombarded,

00:52then that is crystal clear.

00:54If residential buildings are bombarded with people,

00:57then that is crystal clear.

00:59If a tactic of starvation,

01:01which was even mentioned by Scholz in Jerusalem recently,

01:04is not just words from the government,

01:06but practical actions,

01:08which are shown by the UN and so on,

01:10where Hans pointed out yesterday in the BBK,

01:13two years ago the Bundestag at the Holodomor

01:15called this precisely as genocide,

01:17death by starvation,

01:19then those are crystal clear things that have to be addressed.

01:22But we do that too.

01:24We do that too.

01:25We keep saying all the time that...

01:27You just said yourself that you can't name a single war crime.

01:30No genocide.

01:32No, okay, if you... Examples from...

01:34This is an example from a year ago.

01:36We could do a lot more.

01:38Yes, we could do a lot more.

01:40For example, we could talk about the West Bank

01:42and about the situation there.

01:44We could, but let's stay with Gaza.

01:46You can't name any genocide.

01:48You just said that.

01:50You want to hear from me that I say

01:52that a war crime was committed there

01:54without international law.

01:56Why do you say that about Russia and Hamas?

01:58No, but what is important to me

02:00is that it is investigated

02:02and that the danger is addressed.

02:04And that's what we're saying all the time

02:06against Israel.

02:08The criticism, again, is against Russia and Hamas

02:10and against other people who commit war crimes.

02:12You are very clear and rightly always loud.

02:14But if we now talk about expulsion of the population,

02:16bombardment of civil infrastructure,

02:18bombardment of refugee camps and so on,

02:20then we say that it must be clarified

02:22and that the United Nations must come to a decision.

02:24But that's something else.

02:26Various legal proceedings are now

02:28dealing with these issues.

02:30And that's right.

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