Ukraine war_ What would a Trump peace deal look like_ _ DW News

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00:00Now, Ukraine's president has held key talks with former U.S. President Donald Trump with

00:04the future of aid for Kiev in question.

00:07Volodymyr Zelensky presented Trump with his, quote, victory plan in New York, in a bid

00:12to shore up support if Trump is re-elected in November.

00:16Trump said he has good relationships with Zelensky and Russia's President Putin.

00:21He insisted he could get a deal to end the war, while also saying the U.S. is paying

00:25too much for Ukraine's defense.

00:27Zelensky earlier met with Trump's Democratic rival Kamala Harris, who said her support

00:32for Ukraine is unwavering.

00:37Jenny Mathis, expert in Russian politics and security, senior lecturer in the Department

00:42of International Politics at Aberystwyth University.

00:45Hello Jenny.

00:46Trump told Zelensky that he will find a solution that is good for both sides if he becomes

00:52president.

00:53How could that deal look like?

01:23Right, sounds like a deal that is likely to favour Russia more than Ukraine.

01:47The Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris also met Zelensky last week and said

01:51that those who would have Ukraine trade territory for peace are supporting proposals of surrender.

01:57What is her plan really regarding Ukraine if she becomes president?

02:03So she has not been very precise about her plans if she becomes president, except to

02:07demonstrate or to indicate that she would be a force for continuation of the Biden administration's

02:13support for Ukraine.

02:14She has given some slight hints that she might go further than Biden, but these are only

02:18hints and we don't really know the details yet.

02:22But certainly, as far as Ukraine is concerned, a Harris presidency would be much more beneficial

02:27to them and much more in their interest than a Trump presidency would be.

02:30Right, right.

02:31Zelensky has recently presented his victory plan to the US and other allies in which he

02:36is trying to sell his vision for Ukrainian victory despite losses on the battleground.

02:42How do you think Russia sees his plan?

02:46Oh, Russia is not happy about his plan at all.

02:50We don't have a lot of details about Zelensky's plan still, but it is clear that the two central

02:55pillars of the plan are trying to get the US and other Western allies to allow Ukraine

03:00to use their weapons to strike deep into Russian territory, to damage Russia's ability to wage

03:05war and make life much more difficult for Russia.

03:08And secondly, Zelensky very much wants some security guarantees, as in NATO membership

03:13sooner rather than later, within months rather than years.

03:16And the combination of those two things definitely do not make Putin happy.

03:21Right.

03:22So is Putin still interested in negotiations?

03:27How does he want this war to end?

03:30Well, Russia's position and Putin's position has been very clear throughout the war, and

03:36that has been that Russia wants to take everything that it currently either holds or claims.

03:42Russia wants Ukraine to be neutral.

03:45Russia doesn't want Ukraine to have relationships with NATO and so on and so on.

03:50So basically, Russia wants everything.

03:51Russia's not willing to compromise on any points, as far as we can tell.

03:55And so, you know, in order to, you know, further the prospect of peace, you know, normally

04:02two sides at war have to each give something.

04:04And Putin so far doesn't indicate that he wants to give anything serious.

04:08Right.

04:09Jenny Mathis, expert in Russian politics and security, senior lecturer in the Department

04:14of International Politics at Aberystwyth University.

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