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Host:
- Aniqa Nisar

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- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
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- Majid Nizami (Analyst)

PTI's Taimur Jhagra condemns Barrister Saif's statement

Use of K-P govt machinery for PTI protest - PTI and PMLN Leaders' Reaction

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00:00In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
00:10I am Anika Nisar.
00:12A little while ago, Interior Minister Mohsen Naqvi was talking to the press.
00:17He gave very interesting information.
00:19He said that 564 people were arrested in total.
00:23Out of these 564 people, 120 were Afghan nationals.
00:30Not those who came to Pakistan many years ago, or many decades ago, or before Pakistan was established.
00:38Those are the Afghan nationals who were arrested.
00:41Out of these 564 people, 120 are Afghan nationals.
00:47Then he said that law enforcement agencies showed a lot of patience and tolerance.
00:53When asked about tear gas, he said that these tear gas shells, long range tear gas shells,
01:00were brought together by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and KPK.
01:05Ali Ameen Gandapur Sahib has used state machinery.
01:09Videos were also coming out.
01:11It is a pity.
01:12The state machinery should be present in KPK.
01:18In this case, if there is an emergency in KPK, it is being used for political purposes.
01:22On the other hand, the situation in Punjab is something like this.
01:24But at this point in time, law enforcement agencies showed a lot of patience.
01:29And that work did not happen, which was the requirement of PTI.
01:32This is the stance of the Interior Minister.
01:36And before this, Faisal Wada Sahib has also said in his press briefing that he wanted dead bodies.
01:43On the contrary, Ali Ameen Gandapur Sahib says that we have once again proved that we are a peaceful community.
01:50Not just that, the Interior Minister says that we have failed their strategy.
01:55Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf says that we have failed the government's strategy.
01:58Whether we have failed each other's strategy or not,
02:03But at this time, Pakistan has been the most unsuccessful.
02:07Because an international image in Pakistan,
02:09It is a pity to go into such an image just a few years before the SCO summit.
02:16Khawaja Asif Sahib said the same thing.
02:18Mohsin Naqvi Sahib and Faisal Sahib were also saying that they wanted dead bodies.
02:22They also said one more thing.
02:24That they will bring the Taliban together.
02:27Listen.
02:28Their attack, we consider it an enemy attack on Islamabad, Pakistan.
02:35The PTI wants to pick up the dead bodies.
02:38This is part of the conspiracy.
02:39The Taliban have the blood of our soldiers, the blood of our civilians.
02:44The armed groups of the Taliban are bringing them together.
02:48They were told to do this after the SCO conference.
02:51But because the target is the SCO conference.
02:55This is also being repeated in the government.
02:58Now, this statement came from the PTI.
03:01From Barrister Ali Gohar.
03:03That we had come for a day's protest.
03:06Now we are going back.
03:08But Ali Ameen Ghandapur Sahib said that
03:11Imran Khan Sahib has any kind of such authority.
03:16My authority is with Imran Khan.
03:17If someone wants to talk, talk to Imran Khan.
03:19There is no benefit of talking to me.
03:21And no need to talk to me.
03:24Okay, the extreme step will come.
03:26Mohsin Naqvi Sahib said this.
03:28Atta Tarar Sahib said that
03:29Ali Ameen Ghandapur Sahib is not looking very good.
03:32In the future.
03:33You will remember.
03:34The matter of Islamabad and its Lahore.
03:37After disappearing for 7-8 hours.
03:39Even now, Mohsin Naqvi Sahib has been asked.
03:41Where is CM KPK?
03:43He also did not give any answer.
03:44But according to sources, he is not under arrest at this time.
03:47If he is not under arrest, then where is he?
03:49Faisal Wada says that he has gone somewhere in a car.
03:52Now, a lot of rumours are being found.
03:54It is a strange situation.
03:56But in this context.
03:58Especially, the invitation of the Indian Foreign Minister.
04:01This is something that no Pakistani does.
04:05Barrister Saif.
04:07Who is considered to be the right hand man of Ali Ameen Ghandapur Sahib.
04:10Regarding the KPK government.
04:12What did he say?
04:13Listen to that.
04:15Yes, Shankar Sahib.
04:16Do come.
04:17From India.
04:18We welcome him.
04:19We welcome him.
04:21And we say to him.
04:22You also come and participate in our protest.
04:24And for the constitution.
04:26And to make Pakistan a strong state.
04:28Join us in this protest.
04:30Because if Pakistan will be strong.
04:32And Pakistan will stand on its feet.
04:34Then maybe our relations with India will also be good.
04:36And we will also invite Jai Shankar Sahib.
04:38He also come and participate in our protest.
04:40Address our people.
04:44First of all.
04:45A lot of people of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
04:47Kept defending this statement.
04:49And then Salman Akram Raja Sahib tweeted.
04:51That they express their disconnection with this.
04:54And then the situation changed.
04:56The government reacted to this.
04:59And a strong reaction.
05:01Listen.
05:02Yesterday they invited the Indian foreign minister to come to their protest.
05:05There are other countries of the SCO.
05:06I don't know why they didn't invite other countries.
05:08Why did Barrister Saif give an invitation to only one country?
05:11When PTI leadership will invite Jai Shankar.
05:14Then there will be a meeting on international forums.
05:18So we request them to join hands with them.
05:21Invite them to D-Chowk.
05:25Yesterday one of their advisers said the last thing.
05:28Jai Shankar should come to D-Chowk and address.
05:31In a few days you will hear another statement.
05:33Netanyahu has also come to Pakistan.
05:35He should also come and address D-Chowk.
05:37To talk about this.
05:38The guests who are present with us.
05:40For the first segment.
05:41I will introduce them.
05:42Taimur Jagra Sahib is present with us.
05:44The leader of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf.
05:46Thank you very much Jagra Sahib.
05:47Rana Ihsan Afzal Sahib is present with us.
05:49The leader of Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
05:51Thank you very much Rana Sahib.
05:52You have also joined us.
05:53Rana Sahib.
05:54First of all.
05:55You have put so many containers.
05:56You have tried to stop so many routes.
05:58You have made Islamabad, Rawalpindi a mess.
06:03But you still went.
06:05And you went to Islamabad.
06:08You kept removing the containers.
06:09You knew that KPK machinery is also present with them.
06:12Did you put any thought in this strategy?
06:16Or was it just a reaction?
06:18To put containers everywhere.
06:19To close the roads.
06:20Instead of talking to them.
06:22And tell them that we are giving you this place.
06:24Come here and protest.
06:31In the name of Allah.
06:33We talked to them.
06:35They were told to come after the SCO.
06:38Such a big event is going to take place in Pakistan.
06:41They also held a Jalsa from Islamabad.
06:43They also tried to stay in Lahore.
06:45And they did.
06:46As it was.
06:48They got the opportunity.
06:49But this is not their purpose.
06:51Their purpose is very simple.
06:54The economy is going towards betterment in the country.
06:57Your liquor is decreasing.
06:59Your interest rates are decreasing.
07:02Your exchange rate has stabilized.
07:08These are big events.
07:10The event of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
07:13It is a massive achievement that it is happening in Pakistan.
07:16They want to sabotage these things.
07:20This is an image.
07:22They also made a commentary.
07:24They called the Indian foreign minister here.
07:26Their purpose is to discuss these activities.
07:30And their local matter.
07:32They came to the front line and discussed it.
07:38They are trying to make the country irrelevant.
07:46I will try to get your connection back.
07:50It is giving a little bit of a problem.
07:52I will come back to you.
07:54I will come back to you.
07:57Mr. Jagra, this statement was unexpected.
08:01Maybe the PTI people did not expect this.
08:03But this statement from Barrister Saif.
08:05That the foreign minister of India should come here.
08:07And address the event.
08:09Here, there will be no discussion about Pakistan and India.
08:14A person from your Jamaat.
08:17A person who is in an official position.
08:19An Indian foreign minister.
08:21On the internal matters of Pakistan.
08:23On such matters of Pakistan.
08:26Which are our own.
08:27Which are our own.
08:28How can they invite?
08:30Even if your Jamaat disowned you later.
08:33How can someone speak so irresponsibly?
08:36I think my answer.
08:40Will prove to you.
08:42What is the position of Pakistan's justice system?
08:46Barrister Saif's statement was wrong.
08:50Not only did the party disown him.
08:54I think it was a rubbish statement.
08:58There was no need for him to say anything like this.
09:02There was no disassociation.
09:04In the strongest words.
09:05I personally condemn it.
09:07And the party also condemns it.
09:08Okay, he must have left.
09:10But there was no need for this.
09:12At all.
09:13And I can say this.
09:15Because the Pakistan Justice System is the only Jamaat.
09:18Where we do not take party positions.
09:21That our leader has said.
09:25If all our workers come with conviction.
09:30And they faced the barbarity of the government.
09:33They did it for the cause.
09:35And that's why I can tell you so easily.
09:37It was wrong.
09:39And we have discussed this internally with Barrister Saif.
09:42And there was a very strong reaction from the entire party.
09:45Okay.
09:46This is an unacceptable statement.
09:48Will there be an apology from Barrister Saif?
09:53He has given a clarification statement.
09:56In my opinion, that clarification statement is also not right.
09:59This statement should be retracted.
10:02The party has nothing to do with this.
10:04You will see.
10:05Like you saw from Salman Raja.
10:08That we have condemned in black and white.
10:11What more can we do?
10:13So that this is clear.
10:14Look.
10:15I am seeing this.
10:16What he is saying again and again.
10:17Sometimes Israel.
10:18Sometimes India.
10:19This is desperation.
10:21And let's focus on the real issues.
10:24The real issue is that if someone is weakening the state.
10:29When you steal an election, you are weakening the state.
10:33When you enforce disappearances of 10,000 people.
10:37And do searches without warrants in their homes.
10:40And that becomes a norm.
10:41That weakens the state.
10:42Mr. Chakra, I have to come to this point.
10:44And I understand what you are saying.
10:46Basically, I will go step by step.
10:48I will go step by step.
10:50I want to come to the first step.
10:52You already feel that the accusation of being with Israel is very direct from the government.
10:57It does not seem to be hidden.
10:58In Israel, articles are being written here.
11:01If they come, our problem will be solved with Pakistan.
11:05So at this time, we have to work more carefully.
11:08You are absolutely right.
11:09The clarification that has been given is not enough.
11:13If an apology comes, it would be better.
11:16But if an apology comes.
11:17So Mr. Rana Ahsan Afzal, will you accept that apology?
11:21Will that apology not be enough?
11:24Sometimes people come into emotions and say very wrong things.
11:29Mr. Chakra has condemned it unequivocally.
11:33Is that enough?
11:37If we apologize, then that is a step in the right direction.
11:41But their intention is known.
11:46I am telling you that according to me,
11:48the purpose of the statement they have given is to dominate their local politics over the SCO.
11:57This is not Pakistanism.
11:59If the SCO is going to be here in Pakistan,
12:03then it is the duty of all Pakistanis to give a good image of Pakistan.
12:09And this should be done in a good way.
12:11This will not be the victory of PMLN.
12:14But Mr. Rana, you will have to sit with them.
12:17You also give such statements against Pakistan, against Tehreek-e-Insaf,
12:23which provoke them.
12:24Instead of giving statements, stop your executioner and come to the discussion.
12:30Look, Mr. Gandapur is talking.
12:33He is doing what he has to do.
12:35He does not want to talk to anyone.
12:37Okay, I thought he was talking to someone.
12:40The way he is talking, the way he is talking,
12:47his agenda is clear.
12:48I have told you that the economic stability that has been achieved,
12:52now he is moving towards growth.
12:54You are saying that he wants to sabotage.
12:56But on the one hand, there are people like Ali Amin Gandapur in Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
13:00On the other hand, there are people like Taimur Jagda.
13:02So you start talking to those people so that the party can start a discussion with each other.
13:09As Mr. Jagda is saying, there has been a very serious discussion in the party on this matter, on the Indian matter.
13:15What I am trying to do is that the clap is saved with two hands.
13:18They are doing wrong, I will say that.
13:20You are doing wrong, I will also say this.
13:23Look, there are decent people like Taimur in the party.
13:27But there, the decision is made by Mr. Khan.
13:30And Mr. Khan wants instability.
13:33He wants to dominate his politics, his identity over this country.
13:38And his formula is that until he does not get power,
13:42until there is chaos in this country,
13:44and their Akashi is done by Mr. Gandapur,
13:49only then will he sit on that stage.
13:51Sitting on that stage, using today's state machinery,
13:56which is spreading in a wave,
14:00that the chief minister of a province does not have a role to protest with loyalty,
14:04and convert it into a public protest.
14:07This party does it, someone else does it,
14:09but then the tone they have, they want to spread instability in this country.
14:13They want the SCO to be sabotaged, the economy to be sabotaged,
14:18and the politics to be sabotaged.
14:20This is their aim, and this is the reason why they are not able to move forward.
14:24Because they do not ask for anything.
14:26Okay, this state machinery question, Mr. Jagra,
14:29I am coming to you.
14:30Mr. Jagra, the use of state machinery,
14:32on social media, I also have a question on this,
14:36that a political party,
14:38if you come as a government, then the matter is different,
14:41this is a rally of a political party.
14:43How do you use state machinery?
14:45In Punjab, when cars of VVIPs are being ordered for millions of rupees,
14:51I raised a question on that,
14:52so I will raise a question on KPK as well,
14:54that in KPK, that fire brigade,
14:57or that ambulance,
14:58or that machinery, which is of the common KPK people,
15:01how can you use that for your political aims?
15:05Yes, I will answer this.
15:07Let me complete the second point.
15:09Yes.
15:10According to Mr. Rana Ehsan,
15:12according to Mohsin Nagmi,
15:14and according to everyone in the government,
15:16I think this SCO summit, which is 10 days away,
15:19is more important than that,
15:21perhaps no other event in the history of Pakistan,
15:24this was the second most important after 14th August, 1947.
15:28So if this is the case, then tell me, Mr. Rana,
15:32that this is such a controversial amendment,
15:34and a regular amendment is typically passed in 9-10 months,
15:38why are Bilawal and his ministers saying
15:41that this has to be passed before the SCO summit?
15:44If they had given this assurance,
15:46because this is their 5th or 6th amendment,
15:49that this has to be passed after the SCO summit,
15:52then perhaps they themselves would not have sabotaged the SCO summit.
15:55Why did they make such a suggestion?
15:59I will answer this,
16:00but first you answer my question as well,
16:02then I will go to Mr. Rana.
16:05Okay.
16:06You talked about state machinery,
16:09first of all, this question,
16:12from a representative of the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
16:15for an official stance,
16:17that I am a common citizen.
16:19Okay?
16:21I also object to the use of state machinery.
16:24Okay.
16:25Whatever they do,
16:27and for the purposes of the political party,
16:31or whoever has violated the law,
16:37cannot be used for that.
16:39So you agree that state machinery should not have been used?
16:42One second.
16:43Mr. Gandapur is wrong.
16:44No, no, I will tell you.
16:45One second, Anika.
16:46Give me a minute.
16:47Yes.
16:48When you steal an election,
16:52then you cannot use these thousands, lakhs of tear gas shells
16:58on peaceful protesters,
17:00saying that we are the government,
17:02because you have a big question on being the government.
17:05When you make a constitution to protect yourself,
17:08then you cannot use all these rubber bullets
17:13against peaceful protesters.
17:15When you attack the Supreme Court,
17:17and they become the first democratic country in history,
17:20tell me, any other Westminster parliamentary,
17:22where someone says that we do not accept the Supreme Court's decision,
17:28and then you tell people to shut up,
17:30to become sheep and goats,
17:31otherwise we will shower tear gas shells on you,
17:36or even all these state officials, police,
17:41this is a very bad use of state machinery,
17:44and if the government of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has done it,
17:47then I will tell Mr. Rana to fire the IG and the Chief Secretary.
17:52Mr. Jagra, counter question,
17:54before I go to Mr. Rana,
17:57before I go to Mr. Rana Ehsan,
17:59and he answers your first question,
18:02I would like to say that
18:04Mr. Mohsin Naqvi has said,
18:06and it has gone viral on social media,
18:10a video of Mr. Ali Amin Ghandapur,
18:12where he has also indicated to shoot a gun.
18:16Now, the interior minister is saying that
18:19we will bring it in front of you,
18:21that long range tear gas was brought from KPK,
18:24which was from KPK's law enforcement agencies,
18:27and it was used in Islamabad.
18:29They were trained people.
18:30Number one.
18:31Number two is,
18:32in any form,
18:34if their government is not legitimate,
18:36then they used to raise the same question in 2018,
18:39and in 2021,
18:41I have seen the teachers' protest here,
18:44with my own eyes,
18:45on whom non-stop tear gas was shelled.
18:48So, it is a reminiscence of the past,
18:50take away my memory from me.
18:52If this government is bad,
18:53then the previous government is also bad,
18:55two wrongs cannot make a right.
19:25Our situation is worse than that of North Korea.
19:29You said something,
19:35in the Israeli press,
19:39not one, but two articles,
19:40about Mr. Prasad Khan,
19:43I cannot answer that,
19:45you and I do not have the right to answer that.
19:48Okay, I will take that question to Mr. Rana,
19:50which you raised.
19:53I do not have anything to do with Imran Khan,
19:55I am just pointing out,
19:57that our freedoms are already very restricted.
20:00Okay, Mr. Rana,
20:01would you like to answer?
20:03This is a joke,
20:04tear gas,
20:05where is the police of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa?
20:10You have created a whole cloud of tear gas,
20:17like Benjamin Netanyahu,
20:19there was a firework from Lebanon,
20:23we have completely,
20:27I understand what you are saying,
20:29let me answer from Mr. Rana,
20:31then I will wrap up the segment.
20:35Look, he has only one opinion,
20:37that if we would have delayed the reforms,
20:39or not,
20:41then we would not have protested.
20:43Look, the thing is,
20:45the reforms that are going to happen,
20:47they will happen with two thirds,
20:49they did not come from the parliament,
20:51and if you have two thirds consensus building,
20:55then it means that you will set fire to the country,
20:57you will protest,
20:59you will sabotage the international events,
21:01so it makes no sense.
21:03If a thing is going to happen,
21:05and he has the number game,
21:07then it does not mean,
21:09that you will set fire to the country.
21:11You are saying not to take the constitutional issues
21:13towards protest,
21:15Thank you very much for joining me in the program.
21:17We will continue discussing this.
21:23Welcome back after the break.
21:25We have with us Amir Ilyas Rana
21:27and Majid Nizami.
21:29Both of them are journalists and analysts.
21:31Mr. Rana, I will start with you.
21:33On one hand, Mr. Mohsin Aqvi says
21:35that we have failed the PTI strategy.
21:37PTI says that we have failed the government strategy.
21:39Who has failed?
21:41Pakistan.
21:43No one has succeeded.
21:45Pakistan is failing.
21:47Pakistan is being ruined as a state.
21:49Neither the government
21:51has done a good job,
21:53nor has the PTI done a good job.
21:55Now, if you want to explain this,
21:57then see that there is no unity in the policy,
21:59and if the decisions are not being made together,
22:01then this is what happens.
22:03A few moments ago,
22:05the Minister of Internal Affairs
22:07said that he is very embarrassed
22:09with the citizens of Islamabad.
22:11If this was the case,
22:13then they should have decided on a place.
22:15If this was their stubbornness,
22:17then there should have been
22:19an end to their stubbornness.
22:21Or else, they would have
22:23been so strict that they would have
22:25not allowed it according to their claim.
22:27It is true that the PTI protest
22:29has ended without the announcement
22:31of the leadership.
22:33Obviously, they will wait for
22:35their leader's new decision.
22:37Will you hand over the citizens of Islamabad
22:39to the PTI?
22:41The Minister of Internal Affairs
22:43has no experience.
22:45Politically, whatever you say,
22:47he is far behind him.
22:49In administrative matters,
22:51there is a big difference
22:53between talking to the army
22:55and being a representative
22:57of the establishment
22:59and talking to politicians.
23:01Which lags,
23:03and this becomes a question mark
23:05for the entire government.
23:07They were doing everything
23:09with the blessings of the Prime Minister.
23:11I have said that this is the
23:13failure of Pakistan.
23:15I have gathered everyone
23:17in the government.
23:19I am saying that
23:21how many political consultations
23:23I and you have seen,
23:25or a meeting has come
23:27in which the political leadership
23:29of the People's Party,
23:31the Muslim League,
23:33has met.
23:35In 2016, Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan
23:37did not let Imran Khan
23:39come out of Banikala
23:41keeping in mind the experience
23:43of 2014.
23:45He did not let Parvez Khattak
23:47come out because he was
23:49controlling Punjab at that time.
23:51All the police were following
23:53him.
23:55Then the Supreme Court
23:57stopped Rana Sanaullah
23:59to let Imran Khan come.
24:01He came and left.
24:03There is a lack of experience
24:05and it is becoming a joke.
24:07We need to understand this
24:09as soon as possible.
24:11Either he should take control
24:13himself or set up a team
24:15of experienced people
24:17with Mohsin Naqvi.
24:19If Mohsin Naqvi thinks
24:21that he is successful,
24:23then I do not think
24:25that he is successful.
24:27Majid Nizami,
24:29do you think that
24:31leadership of Pakistan
24:33has not come as such?
24:35Yesterday, in my program,
24:37Sheikh Waqas was saying
24:39that we are saving our MNAs
24:41to complete our numbers.
24:43But leadership has not come
24:45as such.
24:47Ali Amin Ghanapur
24:49came and went to KPK house.
24:51Will this protest continue
24:53in the coming days?
24:55Is this it?
24:57Thank you very much.
24:59There are many things
25:01that are not in Pakistan's politics.
25:03I think that this is also
25:05a trend in which
25:07the workers are leading
25:09the protest and
25:11the leadership is not present.
25:13The reason for this is that
25:15in recent days, especially
25:17in Tehreek-e-Insaf,
25:19there is no consistency
25:21in the point of view
25:23of leadership and workers
25:25and there is no balance.
25:27Because of this,
25:29leadership is at a back foot
25:31due to its various
25:33compulsions and the workers
25:35are leading this.
25:37This can be positive
25:39for the PTI,
25:41but it is harmful
25:43for the national politics
25:45because when you are
25:47facing a crowd
25:49whose leadership
25:51is not in anyone's hands,
25:53then there are more
25:55consequences.
25:57In Islamabad,
25:59the police had to
26:01retreat,
26:03whether it was for
26:05security reasons
26:07or to save the lives
26:09of the people.
26:11But despite all this,
26:13I think that there is
26:15a wrong trend in politics
26:17in which there is
26:19a crowd in front of you
26:21without leadership.
26:23We should come to an agreement
26:25because only the government
26:27can announce something.
26:29We saw that in August,
26:31there was an attempt
26:33in which Imran Khan
26:35postponed the Jalsa
26:37and some confidence building
26:39measures were taken.
26:41But after that,
26:43in the next Jalsa,
26:45we saw that everything
26:47turned upside down.
26:49But there is still
26:51a problem.
26:53I think the situation
26:55is getting worse.
26:57On social media,
26:59some accounts of Pakistan
27:01Tariq-e-Insaf say that
27:03there is an attempt
27:05to meet or talk
27:07to Imran Khan.
27:09Is this happening?
27:11Is this on the cards
27:13that there is a contact
27:15or not?
27:17This is the biggest
27:19desire of the PTI,
27:21which is not happening.
27:23However, the PTI,
27:25where Mr. Nizami spoke
27:27correctly,
27:29is also under the wrong impression
27:31that it has become a KPK
27:33and is bringing people
27:35from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
27:37So, this injustice
27:39was not seen by the people
27:41of Punjab.
27:43We should get out of
27:45literacy.
27:47They should do politics
27:49in the same way.
27:51Why are they confusing people
27:53with the fact that people
27:55from KPK will come every time?
27:57Their Punjabi leadership
27:59should also show responsibility.
28:01There should be a fight.
28:03I have seen this
28:05in the case of
28:07Qajusahin Ahmad Maroom
28:09and Muhtarma Benazir Bhutto Marooma.
28:11When a worker leaves,
28:13he does not stop
28:15until he reaches his destination.
28:17He does not stop
28:19until he reaches his destination.
28:21He does not stop
28:23until he reaches his destination.
28:25He does not stop
28:27until he reaches his destination.
28:29He does not stop
28:31until he reaches his destination.
28:33He does not stop
28:35until he reaches his destination.
28:37He does not stop
28:39until he reaches his destination.
28:41He does not stop
28:43until he reaches his destination.
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