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‘Amit ji Kaam Karte Nahi, Mujhe Kaam Milta Nahi’ - Chunky Panday On Competition In Bollywood (1990s)
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9/26/2024
Chunky Panday debuted in the 1987 film Aag Hi Aag opposite Neelam, thanks to producer Pahlaj Nihalani. On his 62nd birthday, Lehren shares a flashback interview with him about competitive actors and his best friend. Let’s watch.
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00:00
Non-actor, no one has ever called me a non-actor.
00:04
Yes, sometimes I have given 32 retakes.
00:07
There was a time when I was doing 20-25 films at a time.
00:11
And it was just for money basically.
00:13
Not all, but most of it.
00:15
Casanova who flirts with girls.
00:18
It is my habit that I talk to everyone nicely.
00:21
I talk to girls a little better.
00:24
I am not working because I don't want to work.
00:27
So I am in the same position like Amitabh Bachchan.
00:29
Amitabh Bachchan.
00:34
First of all, tell the audience something about your names Suyash and Chunky.
00:39
How would I know my name?
00:42
Well, my real name is Suyash.
00:45
Pet name is Chunky.
00:48
Whenever I go somewhere, my passport says Suyash.
00:52
So if I am standing in an immigration line at an international airport
00:56
and someone says Mr. Suyash.
00:59
Then I see, who is he calling?
01:02
Chunky was the name I was born with.
01:04
So I am quite happy.
01:06
But sometimes I feel that Chunky has some childhood like name.
01:12
But a name is a name.
01:13
And they say that rose, the rose flower,
01:16
if its name was something else,
01:18
still it would smell like that.
01:22
Mr. Chunky, when you came into the industry,
01:24
what was your vision at that time?
01:26
To tell you the truth, to make money.
01:32
But once you work in different films,
01:38
then money becomes secondary.
01:41
You enjoy doing your work, doing good work.
01:46
You want to keep improving all the time.
01:48
There was a time when I was doing 20 films at a time.
01:54
And it was just for money basically.
01:57
Not all, but most of it.
01:59
But today, a good film has no priority for money.
02:06
When you came into the industry,
02:08
what were the struggles you had to face?
02:12
Struggle?
02:13
Struggle or rivalry?
02:16
I am struggling now.
02:18
So much competition, so many new faces, newcomers.
02:22
At that time, it was just me and Govinda.
02:24
Then came Aamir, Salman,
02:27
now Akshay, Saif, Sunil, Shah Rukh.
02:30
So there is a lot of competition,
02:32
but one must keep up with the competition basically.
02:35
Once Govinda had said that
02:37
he is better at acting and dancing than you.
02:41
I can't say anything about him because he is my senior.
02:44
But yes, according to me,
02:49
I feel he is Kamal Haasan, Govinda, Mithun.
02:54
Three best dancers of India.
02:56
I also consider Javed to be a very good dancer.
02:59
But Govinda, for certain,
03:01
after Sholashrabnam and Aankhe,
03:03
there was a lot of improvement in him.
03:05
After Aankhe, obviously, the work he did with me.
03:09
I have never thought that I am better or he is better.
03:15
But when we worked together,
03:17
then it was something else.
03:19
It was a lot of fun.
03:20
So do you consider him your rival?
03:23
See, rivalry is when,
03:25
now imagine, in the movie Aankhe,
03:28
we were not competing with each other
03:31
that I should eat his scene or he should eat my scene.
03:34
It was never like that.
03:35
In fact, we used to help each other
03:37
that you should say this line, he should say that line.
03:40
It would be fun.
03:41
So that's when the result came.
03:44
That smoothness.
03:46
So if there was some rivalry,
03:48
then the movie would have been delayed.
03:50
There would have been fights.
03:51
That I will do this, he will do that.
03:52
Why is he doing this?
03:53
No, nothing like that.
03:54
Nowadays, you are very popular on TV.
03:56
Are you not getting films or is there some other reason?
04:00
Why am I popular on TV?
04:02
Why am I popular?
04:03
Yes, I do a program 4 times a year.
04:05
It is a program of my friend, Super 8 Mukabala.
04:07
But I had a very good answer for this.
04:12
I was thinking that day.
04:14
People watch me on TV for free.
04:16
I have to go to the theatre and pay.
04:18
See, he is watching for free.
04:20
Hey, sit properly.
04:23
Sometimes I think that 30 crore people are watching me here
04:26
on TV for free.
04:29
Producers, keep it in mind that
04:32
if 10% of its population comes to the theatre,
04:35
then my movie will be a hit.
04:37
I am not doing any serial or virial.
04:39
I am just doing interviews.
04:41
People come and take my interviews on demand.
04:43
On public demand.
04:44
They want me to say something.
04:47
On TV and such things.
04:49
But the medium of TV,
04:51
I am not used to it basically.
04:53
Because the environment of the people
04:55
who work in films is different.
04:59
I am very used to the sound of the camera.
05:04
For example, the sound of a film camera.
05:07
In a TV camera, you don't know
05:09
whether the camera is working or not.
05:11
So, it's a totally different medium.
05:15
People say that you have to act on TV
05:17
and also in films.
05:19
But both the mediums are very different.
05:21
Which one do you like more,
05:23
TV or cinema?
05:26
TV is...
05:28
You see, there's an elephant.
05:34
Then, there's the trunk of the elephant.
05:37
Cinema is an elephant.
05:40
Television is the trunk.
05:42
Magazines is one leg.
05:44
You see, it is part...
05:47
If no cinema comes on TV,
05:51
then people who watch TV will reduce it.
05:54
I mean, I want the TV industry to grow more.
05:57
But they should not be film-based.
05:59
They shouldn't depend so much on film artists.
06:03
Like your program, you are depending on film artists.
06:06
Suppose you don't have film artists,
06:08
then what do you make?
06:10
So, I want that Doordarshan, Star TV
06:13
and all the different televisions,
06:15
the top programs these days,
06:17
are all on film songs.
06:19
But in the same way,
06:21
I have understood that these days,
06:23
actors have got more publicity because of television.
06:25
For example, there was a time
06:27
when songs took a lot of time to become famous.
06:30
Once a movie was made,
06:32
then the songs became famous.
06:34
Now, songs become famous even before a movie is made.
06:36
So, that is because of television.
06:38
So, they are interrelated.
06:39
But television can never take the place of cinema.
06:42
And cinema can never take the place of television.
06:44
Chunky, you have played so many roles.
06:47
So, from which role do you get the most satisfaction?
06:50
A lot of satisfaction.
06:52
All my roles give me good satisfaction.
06:54
But I get the most satisfaction
06:56
when the movie hits.
06:58
Do you have any role in mind
07:00
that you would like to play in the future?
07:03
There are a lot of roles.
07:05
But your program, how many minutes is it?
07:08
There are different kinds of roles.
07:10
But they should come in my life.
07:12
They should come in my life.
07:14
Chunky, people call you mama's boy.
07:16
So, how do you feel?
07:18
Why? M stands for mother.
07:19
You can never get another.
07:22
Why mama's boy?
07:23
No, but people have called you mama's boy.
07:25
Okay, they have.
07:26
I didn't know.
07:30
Maybe I look like my mother. That's why.
07:34
And there are times when people call you Casanova Chunky.
07:38
What is the existence of Casanova here?
07:41
Casanova?
07:42
What does Casanova mean?
07:43
Come on, you know something.
07:44
What do I know?
07:45
Now, do you know what Casanova means?
07:49
No, you tell me.
07:52
Casanova is the one who flirts with girls.
07:55
It is my habit to talk to everyone nicely.
07:57
I talk to girls a little better.
08:01
By the way, I am a very decent man.
08:03
I have only one girlfriend.
08:04
Which you all know.
08:06
But mostly, magazines have made this.
08:09
And my look is like Casanova.
08:13
I don't mind.
08:14
I don't mind anything.
08:16
Are you engaged to anyone right now or are you getting married?
08:21
If I was engaged, then I would have exchanged rings.
08:24
Where did my ring go?
08:27
I am neither engaged nor am I married.
08:31
By the way, I don't believe in engagement.
08:36
And when I get married, I will never hide it.
08:40
So are you afraid of getting married?
08:42
I am not afraid of anything.
08:46
And let me tell you one thing that nothing is permanent also.
08:51
Neither is engagement permanent, nor is marriage permanent.
08:56
Neither you are permanent, nor am I permanent.
08:58
Anything can happen.
09:00
It's relationships.
09:02
Like your behavior with someone, your relationship.
09:06
Chunky, by the way, if you look at it, you compare yourself with Amitabh Bachchan many times.
09:11
It is said that there are two people in the industry today.
09:15
Chunky and Amitabh.
09:17
He doesn't work, I don't get work.
09:19
He was just making jokes.
09:21
I make jokes on other artists, so I thought I should make jokes on myself.
09:26
I am a big fan of Amitabh Bachchan and I hope he doesn't mind.
09:29
But I didn't make a joke on him, I made a joke on myself.
09:32
And when I was saying that I don't get work, I don't get my kind of work.
09:38
I don't get my kind of work, the work I want to do.
09:41
By the way, I get offers for two movies every day.
09:43
But I don't want to do that kind of movies.
09:46
You know, C-grade films, where the producer is not known, the director is someone else.
09:51
The movie will be half, how it will be made, it will be made in poverty, it will be forced.
09:55
I have done 4-5 movies like this.
09:58
I don't want to make this mistake that I project something like this again.
10:05
I am not working because I don't want to work.
10:08
So, I am in the same position like Amitabh Bachchan.
10:11
Who is your best friend in the industry?
10:14
Who is my best friend?
10:17
My best friend?
10:20
I have a lot of friends.
10:23
My best friend is my dog.
10:25
In the industry?
10:27
In the film industry?
10:29
Yes, in the film industry.
10:31
Pelaji is like my mentor, like my father.
10:34
By the way, I have a good friendship with Rajiv Rai.
10:39
I have a good friendship with a lot of people.
10:43
Good friendships.
10:45
In the industry?
10:47
But there must be someone who is closest to you or who you like to confide in.
10:54
No, I don't confide in myself.
10:58
No, there is no one like that.
11:01
Do you have a favourite co-star?
11:04
The person I work with becomes my favourite.
11:07
Whoever it is.
11:09
I have never had a problem with any co-star.
11:13
I make every co-star of mine feel very important and very special.
11:17
Chunky, who is your favourite young generation actor?
11:22
Nowadays, all of them are good.
11:34
Shah Rukh is good, Salman has been very good.
11:37
Akshay, good action.
11:40
He does it well.
11:42
Sunil is also very good.
11:44
Very good.
11:46
The way he presents himself is also very good.
11:55
I liked Saif a lot in this film.
11:58
I liked him very much in that film.
12:02
So it depends on the film.
12:04
I liked Shah Rukh a lot in Dar.
12:09
It depends on the film, basically.
12:11
Do you have a favourite couple on screen?
12:15
Favourite couple?
12:20
I can't think of one.
12:22
There are so many.
12:26
Favourite couple?
12:30
I can't think of one.
12:32
Everyone is doing different combinations.
12:34
I can't think of a regular pairing.
12:35
Neelam Govinda used to come in a lot of films.
12:39
Sonam and I used to do a lot of films together.
12:42
Now that system is gone.
12:44
It's not there anymore.
12:46
Chunky, when you give an interview, you give very witty answers.
12:50
What is the reason for this?
12:53
I have 12 writers at home who write good lines for me.
13:01
The best couple was me and Sunny in Lutere.
13:05
He makes Sunny Sardarji.
13:07
Best couple.
13:09
I have a good tuning with Sunny.
13:12
I have done maximum films with Sunny.
13:16
We only meet on sets, but we have a good tuning.
13:23
This is my fourth film with him.
13:25
Paap Ki Duniya, Vishwa Atma, Lutere, Pathar Aur Payal.
13:30
So he is a good fellow.
13:32
I have the same birth sign, Libran.
13:34
And with Insaniyat Vicky.
13:36
Everyone wants to forget that film.
13:41
We said that you are very witty.
13:46
Witty?
13:48
What is the spelling of witty?
13:52
It's natural.
13:54
You have to have a natural sense of humour.
13:56
I am always happy.
13:58
I have never cried over anything.
14:01
I have never cried.
14:03
And when something depresses me,
14:07
or makes me sad,
14:10
I remove that from my mind.
14:13
I try to stay happy.
14:15
Even in my low phase, I try to stay happy.
14:19
So I automatically have a sense of humour.
14:22
That's why people say that I am not serious.
14:25
I am serious.
14:27
I don't show it, but...
14:29
Journalists are your favourite,
14:32
because you copy them well.
14:34
Do you do this on purpose,
14:36
to be in their good books?
14:38
No, no.
14:40
Whenever a new journalist comes in a magazine,
14:43
if they are asked to do an interview,
14:46
they always say Chanki Pandey's interview.
14:49
In fact, someone told me that day,
14:52
I buy a magazine,
14:54
and the first thing I buy,
14:56
I hope there is a Chanki Pandey interview.
14:58
That's nice.
15:00
And a girl told me,
15:02
you know something,
15:04
your interviews are better than your films.
15:06
I said, oh my god.
15:08
But it doesn't make a difference,
15:10
because she does not see Hindi films.
15:13
So she is no judge to my films.
15:16
Judges are always masters.
15:19
Tell me more.
15:21
Wear your glasses.
15:23
Yes.
15:25
Chanki, people have called you a non-actor.
15:28
But what would you say?
15:30
Non-actor.
15:32
That's why I am wearing glasses.
15:34
No one has ever called me a non-actor.
15:39
Yes, sometimes I have given 32 retakes.
15:42
Sometimes there was confusion,
15:44
but no one has ever said that
15:46
Chanki Pandey was bad in the film.
15:48
He is always average, he is good,
15:50
he is improved, he is better.
15:54
When you do the regular hero role,
15:58
there is very little scope.
16:00
Because the hero is good,
16:02
he fights for justice,
16:04
he fights for his mother,
16:06
he fights for his sister,
16:08
he does this, he does that.
16:10
So there are a standard 5-6 formulas in it.
16:12
But when you do the character,
16:14
like I did in Tezab or Lutere,
16:16
then there are variations.
16:18
When the hero is the character,
16:20
then there are variations.
16:22
You know, you get a scope.
16:25
But,
16:27
like Govinda has started a lot of characters,
16:30
Shah Rukh does a lot of character heroes.
16:32
But the pictures we used to do 5-7 years ago,
16:35
the college boy came out,
16:37
his mother died, this happened,
16:39
he got angry.
16:41
Now people have,
16:43
inspector will always be good,
16:45
so you have to get the kind of role
16:47
to show your work basically.
16:49
And I got the typecast that
16:51
Chanki Pandey does a very good comedy role.
16:53
You know, light comedy, this kind of role.
16:54
Maybe people felt that
16:56
he can just do one kind of thing.
16:58
That is why I have stopped
17:00
doing this kind of role.
17:02
I am doing different kind of roles altogether.
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