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"Bilawal Bhutto Kisi Waqt Bhi Prime Minister Ban Sakte Thay Magar un Kay Walid..." Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain's Analysis
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9/25/2024
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"Bilawal Bhutto Kisi Waqt Bhi Prime Minister Ban Sakte Thay Magar un Kay Walid..." Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain's Analysis
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00:00
The question that is being debated is not whether the Ayni court is needed or not.
00:07
The question is that the powers that the Ayni court will have, how much will it compete with the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
00:18
There are very famous lawyers on this.
00:21
Respected Muneer-e-Malik, you may remember him in the Lawyers' Movement.
00:26
He played a key role in this.
00:28
I think he was a lawyer for Ghazi Faisal.
00:33
What is he saying?
00:34
If this happens, what kind of problems will arise?
00:39
Do you know what the situation is in Korea?
00:41
There are two courts like this in Korea.
00:43
One is the Constitutional Court and the other is the Supreme Court.
00:46
One court gives a verdict against the other.
00:49
The other court gives a verdict against the other.
00:51
What happens is a paralysis.
00:53
Do you want this?
00:55
Don't we want judicial stability?
01:00
Salman Akram Rai, General Secretary of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
01:04
what is he saying?
01:06
The issue is the intention.
01:08
The intention behind making the Ayni court,
01:12
we see some flaw in it.
01:15
It should not be made and it should not be made at this time.
01:18
Whatever arguments are there in favour or against the Ayni court,
01:22
the Ayni court that is in place at this time,
01:24
is purely on the basis of ideology.
01:26
The intention is that the Prime Minister should appoint a new Chief Justice of the court,
01:32
who has come before us.
01:34
And that Chief Justice should appoint as many judges as he wishes.
01:39
So this is exactly a kitchen, you can call it a court,
01:44
that is being made at this time,
01:46
through which the Supreme Court should be brought down.
01:49
And all the Ayni-type cases should be sent to that court,
01:53
which party should be banned,
01:55
who should be punished by the military court,
01:58
all this should be achieved through the four or six judges chosen by hand.
02:03
This is the most historic moment in the history of Pakistan,
02:07
which we are going through.
02:10
Viewers, the other day, Fawad Chaudhary came to the program of Kashif Abbasi.
02:14
Obviously, he has experience, he is a lawyer as well.
02:18
In his opinion, if something like this happens,
02:21
then the existing judges of the Supreme Court,
02:23
may not be in this position.
02:25
Should they resign?
02:27
These eight judges, and if you include three or four more judges,
02:31
they do not have a job problem.
02:33
These are judges of international standard.
02:35
These people will never sit in such a court,
02:38
which will have such conditions.
02:40
They will not sit in the Session Court?
02:42
No, they will not sit in the Supreme Court.
02:44
Even in the High Court, you will not find an honorable person in this system.
02:48
So you are saying that the judges can resign?
02:50
They will 100% resign.
02:52
It is not possible to judge in this system.
02:54
Okay, Mr. Chaudhary Gulamshan, the government is adamant.
02:58
Earlier, you know, Pakistan Muslim League Noon tried.
03:01
Now, Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, it appears,
03:05
that he has taken up this responsibility.
03:08
Now, some people also think that,
03:10
you have seen that there is a lot of discussion on social media,
03:14
that Mr. Shahbaz Sharif's days have been counted.
03:17
And Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, he has come forward with his CV,
03:21
that the Prime Minister tried to make an amendment,
03:26
but he failed.
03:27
So we will take up this responsibility,
03:29
we will complete it,
03:30
and then the Prime Minister's post,
03:33
will also go to the Pakistan People's Party.
03:35
Mr. Chaudhary.
03:38
No, obviously, whatever majority he shows there,
03:41
he has the right to make it a government.
03:43
But the independent observers, the political ones,
03:46
they do not agree with these things.
03:48
Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari could have become the Prime Minister at any time.
03:52
And if he wanted to become,
03:54
his father would not have agreed at that time.
03:57
Otherwise, it would have been better,
04:00
if the People's Party would have made it a government,
04:02
and the PTI would not have opposed it.
04:05
Sooner or later, the country is going to move forward,
04:08
and the country will move according to the law and the constitution.
04:11
Through their desires and mischief,
04:16
the country that is already going down,
04:19
will not be allowed to go down further.
04:24
This is my firm belief,
04:26
and very soon you will hear,
04:28
that whatever they are doing,
04:30
will fall on their necks.
04:34
Okay, Mr. Naqvi,
04:35
the Supreme Court's Senior Penal Judge,
04:38
who is going to be the Chief Justice in the future,
04:40
Justice Mansoor Ali Shah,
04:41
who is in the Federal Judicial Academy,
04:42
he gave an address.
04:43
Yesterday, he gave an address there.
04:46
During the address, he said,
04:48
the information he shared,
04:50
that I don't think,
04:51
the next trial can be a trial of 24 lakh cases.
04:56
This is what Mr. Mansoor Ali Shah said.
04:58
The number of cases is increasing every day.
05:00
The number of judges is only 4,000,
05:03
Justice Mansoor Ali Shah.
05:05
Now, the question, Mr. Naqvi,
05:07
is this,
05:08
that we need reforms in the courts,
05:11
we need them in the lower courts,
05:13
we need them at the district level,
05:15
we need them at the district level,
05:17
at the provincial level.
05:19
This is what was said in the Charter of Democracy.
05:22
A while ago, you gave your observation,
05:25
that if a legal issue arises,
05:28
it seems that it can be solved.
05:31
My and your opinion may differ on that,
05:34
but which legal issue is pending?
05:37
The Supreme Court's decision has come,
05:39
in this regard,
05:40
the decision of the special sessions has come,
05:42
for 2-4 days,
05:43
for 7-10 days,
05:44
for all the days,
05:45
the case has been heard,
05:46
the decision has come.
05:47
Now, by creating a new court,
05:50
what objectives will be achieved,
05:52
if you do not reform the courts,
05:55
if you do not reform the courts,
05:57
at the level of lower courts?
05:58
Mr. Naqvi.
05:59
Yes,
06:00
I will talk about the decision later,
06:03
I will say a small thing.
06:04
If tomorrow,
06:05
there is a resolution in the National Assembly,
06:07
that Mansoor Ali Shah is the senior most judge,
06:11
and he will become the Chief Justice,
06:13
and he will be notified immediately.
06:15
And this resolution comes from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
06:17
and the Fidesz party also votes for him.
06:19
So, should this happen?
06:20
What do you think, should this happen?
06:22
Whether this happens or not,
06:23
Mr. Naqvi,
06:24
it does not make any difference,
06:25
because the law is very clear,
06:27
it is the law of the land.
06:28
It should happen, right?
06:31
No,
06:32
whether he does it or not,
06:33
whether he notifies or not,
06:35
the resolution,
06:36
he is not in need of that notification,
06:39
it will be notified on the 26th.
06:40
Yes, Mr. Naqvi.
06:41
If the National Assembly passes this notification,
06:43
it does not make any difference.
06:46
So, which National Assembly is this?
06:47
If the members of the National Assembly are not authentic,
06:50
then why do you all accept the decisions
06:52
that are in your hands,
06:53
and those decisions,
06:54
I am talking to you about the opposition.
06:56
Why don't you all accept the decisions
06:57
that are not in your hands?
06:59
So, this is a big question.
07:00
Then let's talk about the decision.
07:01
Now, let's come to the Supreme Court.
07:03
Let's get out of the National Assembly.
07:04
Let's go to the Supreme Court.
07:06
A decision was made by the Supreme Court
07:08
in reference to Mansoor Nashis,
07:10
which the National Assembly,
07:12
as of now,
07:13
and the Election Commission,
07:14
has still refused to accept.
07:17
If they did,
07:18
then it means that
07:19
they are going against the Supreme Court's decision,
07:23
which you can also call the contempt of court.
07:26
You can't say that.
07:27
This is what the law of the land says.
07:29
Listen, what I am saying,
07:30
let me complete my argument.
07:32
Okay?
07:33
Now, this Supreme Court has given one more decision.
07:35
The one with the flag.
07:37
The judges of the Supreme Court
07:39
do not accept their own decision.
07:41
Whether they are sitting in that bench or not.
07:43
So, what kind of logic is this?
07:45
The decision on the flag was not reviewed.
07:48
No decision has been made on it yet.
07:50
The decision on the flag is still pending.
07:52
So, what should the Election Commission do?
07:54
What should the National Assembly do?
07:55
Someone with logic,
07:57
tell me this.
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