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“Pakistanio ki maddad karna b mushkil hai, waha NGO banai, uska account freeze kar dia gya” Amreeka mein muqeem Pakistani Doctor Dr Babar Cheema ne afsosnak haqeeqat bata di
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8/23/2024
"پاکستانیوں کی مدد کرنا مشکل ہے، وہاں این جی او بنائی، اس کا اکاؤنٹ فریز کر دیا گیا"
امریکہ میں مقیم پاکستانی ڈاکٹر بابر چیمہ نے افسوسناک حقیقت بتا دی
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00:00
In Kharian, I did high school from FG public school and then I did FSC from FG degree college in Kharian.
00:10
My father used to work in Denmark.
00:12
So my family moved to Denmark.
00:16
How did you get selected?
00:17
Did you face any difficulties?
00:18
It's not that easy to become a doctor.
00:19
I was the first person in my family to go to college.
00:22
Tell me, how many states did you go to in the USA?
00:24
Ultimately, you got permanently settled in Connecticut.
00:26
I came to New York.
00:27
Everyone comes to New York.
00:29
New York is like a mother.
00:31
How many people have succeeded in bringing you to Pakistan?
00:35
What is the current population in your area?
00:37
Maybe around 100 Pakistani physicians.
00:39
Pakistan has a very strange perception that America is our enemy.
00:43
Of course, in America's foreign policy, when America did injustice to Pakistan,
00:47
Pakistan did the same.
00:48
But according to that foreign policy, you have to clean your own house.
00:54
Assalam-o-Alaikum viewers.
00:56
I am Mubeen Rashid, your host with a special series on 100 Successful Doctors in America.
01:02
We are honored to have Dr. Babar Seema with us today.
01:05
Tell us about your childhood.
01:07
How did you decide to become a doctor?
01:09
How important was it to become a doctor in your childhood?
01:11
I am from Pakistan.
01:13
I am from district Gujarat, Kharian.
01:16
I did my education in Kharian.
01:18
After doing FSC, I joined Lahore Medical College.
01:23
What was your school like?
01:25
How many siblings did you have?
01:27
I have four siblings.
01:29
I am the eldest.
01:31
You must have faced a lot of pressure.
01:33
Yes, there was a lot of pressure.
01:35
But my family dynamics were unique.
01:37
My father used to work in Denmark.
01:41
So my family moved to Denmark.
01:45
But I was the eldest, so I grew up with my grandparents.
01:50
In Kharian, I did my high school from FG Public School.
01:56
After that, I did my FSC from FG Degree College, Kharian.
02:00
When did you realize that it was important to become a doctor?
02:03
Why didn't any of your siblings become doctors?
02:05
My youngest sister is a physician.
02:09
She is a graduate of the University of Copenhagen.
02:11
My grandfather wanted me to become a doctor.
02:15
It was a big trend at that time.
02:17
In our culture, elders used to decide.
02:21
When we were growing up, we didn't have to become a doctor or an engineer.
02:26
How did you get selected to become a doctor?
02:31
At that time, there were only a few private colleges in Pakistan and Karachi.
02:35
You did it in a government college.
02:37
I came to Lahore Medical College in 1990.
02:42
I am a dinosaur.
02:45
I started medical college in 1990 and finished it in December 1995.
02:50
When you were doing your B.Sc. in medical,
02:52
were there any difficult subjects?
02:54
Did you face any difficulties in your studies?
02:57
In our first exam, we all went to see the results.
03:01
I said, what happened?
03:03
I did my exam in education.
03:06
By the grace of Allah and the Prophet,
03:09
all these things happened easily for me.
03:13
At what level did you get the motivation to become a doctor?
03:16
In a country where there are no doctors,
03:18
why did you decide to become a doctor?
03:20
When I was in my final year,
03:22
a friend of mine came to me and said,
03:24
what should I do?
03:26
I said, let's go to England and do MRCP.
03:28
Let's make money here.
03:30
He said, you know,
03:32
the person who is doing MRCP,
03:34
his clinical attachment is still unpaid.
03:38
Then I thought,
03:40
how long will I keep taking money from home?
03:42
That became my motivation.
03:44
I said, let's go to America.
03:46
In 1996, I went to Thailand for the exam.
03:49
In December 1996, I came here.
03:51
Which city did you come to?
03:53
I came to New York.
03:55
Everyone comes to New York.
03:57
New York is like a mother.
03:59
So I came to New York and
04:01
in July 1997,
04:03
I did my residency in Buffalo, New York.
04:05
At that time, did you think about specialization?
04:07
How did you come to this field?
04:09
At that time, everyone wanted to become a cardiologist.
04:11
Even my grandfather wanted me to become a cardiologist.
04:13
But I had an intern with me, my friend, Dave.
04:17
He was from Ophthalmology.
04:19
I said, why didn't you become a cardiologist, Dave?
04:21
Dave said, you know what,
04:23
I want to have a quality of life.
04:25
I said, what is a quality of life?
04:27
He said,
04:29
I want to balance my work and personal life.
04:33
I said, Dave is right.
04:35
We applied in the second year.
04:37
Under the pressure of my family,
04:39
I applied for cardiology.
04:41
But when I had to mail it in the morning,
04:43
at night I thought,
04:45
life is not for me.
04:47
I didn't apply.
04:49
I told my grandfather that I didn't get it.
04:51
At that time, I thought,
04:53
which fields do I like?
04:55
I interviewed in two fields,
04:57
Rheumatology and Geriatrics.
04:59
At that time, I decided to do Rheumatology.
05:01
I started Rheumatology.
05:03
After that, my Buffalo hospital called me.
05:05
They sponsor me.
05:07
When I got the job, I left it.
05:09
There was an emerging field in America,
05:11
Geriatric Medicine.
05:13
At that time, this field was not big enough
05:15
to take care of the elderly.
05:17
I did specialization from the University of Louisville.
05:19
After that, I did a lot of certification
05:21
in Palliative Medicine.
05:23
I did End of Life.
05:25
Which year was this?
05:27
This was in 2004.
05:29
I did fellowship and training.
05:31
Then I did
05:33
Master of Business Administration MBA.
05:35
Which year was this?
05:37
University of Massachusetts at Amherst.
05:39
Along with that,
05:41
I did a Master of Science
05:43
in Public Health at the University of Louisville.
05:45
Because of Geriatrics,
05:47
I got a chance to
05:49
control my schedule.
05:51
I continued my philanthropic
05:53
social activities.
05:55
Now,
05:57
I am an Assistant Clinical Professor
05:59
at the University of Louisville.
06:01
I do hospital medicine
06:03
with them.
06:05
Apart from that, I do geriatric
06:07
and palliative care practice.
06:09
I am the Medical Director
06:11
of the Nursing and Rehab Centers.
06:13
Along with that,
06:15
I am the Medical Director of Aging
06:17
in the Kentucky State Department of Health.
06:19
How many states have you visited in the USA?
06:21
I am permanently settled in Connecticut.
06:23
I have visited all the states.
06:25
In Kentucky,
06:27
I settled in
06:29
Louisville.
06:31
Although it is a republican state,
06:33
the love and affection of the people
06:35
of Kentucky
06:37
was more welcoming than that of America.
06:39
How many years have you been in Kentucky?
06:41
I have been there for 20 years.
06:43
As a physician,
06:45
if you are in a place like Kentucky,
06:47
you are a big fish in a pond.
06:49
Whereas, in a place like New York,
06:51
you are a big fish
06:53
in the ocean.
06:55
Very good.
06:57
How many people have you succeeded
06:59
in bringing here from Pakistan?
07:01
What is the current population of this region?
07:03
In the entire state of Kentucky,
07:05
there must be around 100 Pakistani physicians.
07:07
Tell us about your business,
07:09
academics, and doctors.
07:11
If you could compare
07:13
both of them with the USA,
07:15
what would you say?
07:17
Pakistan is my land of birth.
07:19
We can never repay Pakistan's debt.
07:21
But, there is no country like America.
07:23
People often look at America
07:25
in terms of its foreign policy.
07:27
But, people like the Americans,
07:29
who are open-minded
07:31
and even in the Trump era,
07:33
I don't think
07:35
they can be compared with any other country in the world.
07:37
I wanted to ask you about business.
07:39
Our Pakistani doctors do very little business.
07:41
How much do you prefer
07:43
and to what extent should a person
07:45
or a group of people
07:47
try to do business?
07:49
This is a corporate world.
07:51
Everyone has an individual goal in life.
07:53
But, you should establish
07:55
your own business
07:57
as a medicine.
07:59
Because, you learn from it
08:01
and at the end of the day,
08:03
you grow from it.
08:05
In Pakistan,
08:07
there is a strange perception
08:09
that America is our enemy.
08:11
There is a strange negative perception
08:13
about the people
08:15
who live in Kharia and Gujarat.
08:17
The people of every country are good.
08:19
But, the foreign policy of every country
08:21
is different.
08:23
Unfortunately,
08:25
the politicians
08:27
have an interest in fighting
08:29
with each other.
08:31
This increases their success.
08:33
You have made a non-profit
08:35
and you are doing some other extraordinary projects.
08:37
You have two organizations.
08:39
What do you think about that?
08:41
The America that existed before 9-11,
08:43
there can't be a more free society.
08:45
The America that existed before 9-11,
08:47
you are going to the airport
08:49
to pick up your loved ones.
08:51
They let you come to the gate of the plane.
08:53
All of a sudden, it is 9-11.
08:55
You see that Islam, Muslims
08:57
come under the microscope.
08:59
All of a sudden,
09:01
the people around you
09:03
wake up and ask,
09:05
where did you come from?
09:07
I remember, as a young physician,
09:09
they called us and we did our fingerprinting.
09:11
I went to the fingerprinting office
09:13
and I didn't even know
09:15
if I would come back or not.
09:17
We have to tell them
09:19
who we are.
09:21
Instead of a media narrative
09:23
that they see on Fox
09:25
or on other platforms.
09:27
I told a few of my friends
09:29
that if we have to tell them,
09:31
we have to do it through community service.
09:33
For the past 14 years,
09:35
we have been doing an Iftar dinner
09:37
in a local church.
09:39
There are 600 people in it.
09:41
In the beginning, we used to call it
09:43
a rabbi, a priest and an imam.
09:45
Now, we have turned it into a social issue.
09:47
We call the Azan and
09:49
break our fast there.
09:51
90% of the people
09:53
are non-Muslims.
09:55
They insist that
09:57
they have to eat with us.
09:59
People also talk about
10:01
the future of medical science.
10:03
You have seen the growth in the last 30 years.
10:05
How can we implement it in Pakistan?
10:07
What do you see in the next 5-10 years?
10:09
In the next 20-30 years,
10:11
you will see a cure for cancer.
10:13
In that,
10:15
America is leading
10:17
in research.
10:19
It is leading the world.
10:21
Unfortunately,
10:23
when I left Pakistan,
10:25
I did not see any improvement.
10:27
Most likely,
10:29
it will deteriorate.
10:31
There is a debt of the soil of the country.
10:33
People want to contribute
10:35
from where they started their lives.
10:37
To what extent have you succeeded
10:39
in contributing?
10:41
Do you think you can contribute
10:43
or will you suggest it to people?
10:45
I have done a lot of projects
10:47
with Jinnah Hospital in Lahore.
10:49
One of the projects we did
10:51
was Jinnah Allama Iqbal
10:53
Diabetic and Endocrinology Center.
10:55
This is a center
10:57
where, after Agha Khan,
10:59
FCPS, specialization in diabetes,
11:01
is in Jinnah Hospital.
11:03
This is one of our
11:05
contributions.
11:07
Have you introduced free services there?
11:09
Yes, but unfortunately,
11:11
as a Pakistani,
11:13
I feel ashamed to say this,
11:15
but in Pakistan,
11:17
when you look for a partner on the ground,
11:19
it is very difficult
11:21
to find an honest partner.
11:23
When we built this center,
11:25
we approached the media,
11:27
but they also demanded so much money
11:29
that we could not afford it.
11:31
How do you feel about this hurdle?
11:33
How will you go to the government authorities?
11:35
It is a shameful thing.
11:37
I have created two non-profits
11:39
in America.
11:41
I did not get scared.
11:43
Within a few weeks,
11:45
I got approval from the IRS.
11:47
In Pakistan, our alumni,
11:49
Allama Iqbal Medical College,
11:51
is frozen like other NGOs.
11:53
We cannot send our funding there.
11:55
We cannot send our funding there.
11:57
To conclude,
11:59
do you have a message
12:01
for the community
12:03
and your future?
12:05
My background is middle class.
12:07
I would like to tell the youth
12:09
to work hard
12:11
and do not look for shortcuts.
12:13
You are as intelligent as an American
12:15
or an Indian.
12:17
It is only about opportunities.
12:19
Believe in Allah and His Messenger.
12:21
Keep an open mind
12:23
and whatever you do,
12:25
it will become gold.
12:27
Dr. Babacino,
12:29
your journey from Kharian to the US
12:31
is a beautiful story.
12:33
InshaAllah, in the next program,
12:35
new doctors and inspiring stories
12:37
will be presented to you.
12:39
Till then, take care. Allah Hafiz.
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