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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, Fahad sahab, Assalam-o-Alaikum, Fahad sahab, this is a big debate.
00:04You have also seen the incidents. We are discussing that last night,
00:08when Khan sahab was asked to postpone the Jalsa,
00:12what must have been the reason that Khan sahab must have agreed?
00:16Look, Kashif, I don't know the details yet.
00:22It will take 2-3 days, I think, for the details to come out,
00:26the reason is that around 5.30, 6.45, Ali Ameen
00:32searched for Azam Sawati sahab.
00:36I said 12 at night, he said 12 at night.
00:39I was told that he was in Peshawar after midnight.
00:42Azam Sawati sahab goes home very early at 5.30, 6.
00:47He goes home early.
00:49So Sawati sahab went and picked up Gauhar,
00:53and at 7 in the morning,
00:55the way the meeting took place,
00:58at 7.30, they entered and had a conversation,
01:02and after that, it is obvious that he came out and said that this has happened.
01:06Now, Zain goes to the jail every day.
01:10He also knows that it is very difficult for him to go to the jail,
01:14and any person there...
01:16Fahad sahab, we have talked about all this in the beginning,
01:18that the place where it becomes difficult to enter the jail,
01:20where even the deputy superintendent was picked up
01:23that Imran Khan's message is going out.
01:25So the message went out at 12 at night,
01:27at 7 in the morning, the doors of the jail opened,
01:31and people were given a chance to go inside, have breakfast,
01:33and take the message and give it.
01:35So we have already decided how this would have happened.
01:37This would have happened in the same way.
01:39Actually, if it has happened, then it is a very good thing.
01:41Because see, in Pakistan...
01:43Okay, you are looking at it as a way forward for communication.
01:47It is obvious, it is obvious.
01:49It wouldn't have happened this way.
01:51I think the next 48 hours are important.
01:53We should find out what is the next substantive stage of this.
01:59Because you see, you have spent two years.
02:01Imran Khan is not going down,
02:03and the PTI has become stronger.
02:05And without Imran Khan,
02:07political stability in Pakistan is a far-off dream.
02:09And the economy is obvious,
02:11Pakistan's pressure...
02:12Fahad sahab knows all the problems.
02:14I can see the next stage of this.
02:16The next stage...
02:18I mean, look at the reaction that has come today.
02:20So much for justice,
02:22so much for the Qur'an.
02:24Imran Khan is not the kind of person
02:26who will not assess the reaction
02:28on the quaritoure.
02:30Imran Khan is a very detailed person
02:32when it comes to such gatherings.
02:36I cannot expect this from Imran Khan
02:38that he would not have thought
02:40how this would happen in the future.
02:42So, I am very sure
02:44that the next stage of this
02:46is going to happen.
02:48And the next stage...
02:50At least for me,
02:52it is a good thing
02:54that if the country goes towards normalization,
02:56what can be better than that?
02:58He says, I don't...
03:00The answer to your question is
03:02that the milk is burnt,
03:04and the calf drinks it.
03:06So, we call the calf the calf.
03:08Oh, I see.
03:10So, what I mean to say is
03:12that we have gone through this process.
03:14We have had a very bitter experience
03:16of 9th May.
03:18We don't want it to repeat
03:20for any reason.
03:22Now, as I was telling you earlier,
03:24the reason for not coming to Punjab,
03:26we had many instances of coming to Punjab,
03:28is this.
03:30First of all, the cruelty and cruelty
03:32that is in front of you.
03:34But we should also talk about
03:36whether the government should
03:38be responsible for this.
03:40Where is the responsibility of the government?
03:42Where is the responsibility of the district administration of Islamabad?
03:44Besides the point...
03:46Then you are going in a different direction.
03:48Why did you refuse?
03:50You yourself are saying...
03:52For the simple reason...
03:54Mr. Khan himself sent a message
03:56that you will not agree to September 8th.
03:58So, you are ready.
04:00You knew that something would happen
04:02when they revoked your NOC last night.
04:04Still, Ali Ameen gave a statement.
04:06He said that there will be a Jalsa.
04:08Now, sir, the issue is...
04:10If you say that
04:12the NOC was revoked on September 8th,
04:14then you will not hold the Jalsa.
04:16I am telling you that
04:18the leadership of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Islam,
04:20the core committee,
04:22had the same decision till the end
04:24that the Jalsa will be held in all circumstances.
04:26But when Bani Chairman
04:28gives explicit instructions...
04:30Now, you have said the same thing.
04:32The situation in which the instructions were given
04:34to postpone the Jalsa
04:36is not possible for Pakistan.
04:38Yes, you are right.
04:40Mr. Khan has said it.
04:42We know that there must have been
04:44some quick program.
04:46He must have said that
04:48you should postpone the Jalsa.
04:50It is not possible that
04:52Mr. Khan should stop the Jalsa at midnight.
04:54Okay, you have said it.
04:56I was waiting for you to come
04:58and tell me not to hold the Jalsa.
05:00I will not hold the Jalsa.
05:02I will not hold the Jalsa.
05:04I will not hold the Jalsa.
05:06I will not hold the Jalsa.
05:08I will not hold the Jalsa.
05:10Mr. Khan has said that
05:12you should postpone the Jalsa.
05:14It is not possible.
05:16It does not make sense.
05:18It is not possible.
05:20If there is a negotiation,
05:22who is negotiating
05:24with the strength and who is negotiating
05:26with the weakness?
05:28It is a delicate issue.
05:30The position of PTI
05:32has become weak.
05:34I will tell you
05:36why I am saying that.
05:38First of all,
05:40there has been a jolt
05:42after the arrest of Faiz Hameed.
05:44There has been an impact.
05:46Imran Khan himself has been
05:48arrested.
05:50Imran Khan being in jail
05:52is a big shock for the party.
05:54There is no access.
05:56There is a problem in decision making.
05:58The popularity of PTI
06:00is undisputed.
06:02The popularity of PTI
06:04is undisputed.
06:06The popularity of PTI
06:08is undisputed.
06:10The popularity of PTI
06:12is undisputed.
06:14The popularity of PTI
06:16is undisputed.
06:18The popularity of PTI
06:20is undisputed.
06:22The popularity of PTI
06:24is undisputed.
06:26Then they will have the information
06:28about Gurian's indicators.
06:30Then they will not let people
06:32use those indicators.
06:34They will not let them
06:36use those indicators.
06:38Then they will not let people
06:40use those indicators.
06:42The popularity of PTI
06:44is undisputed
06:46but it is not weaponized.
06:48There is harassment
06:50spread around PTI.
06:52There is harassment spread around PTI.
06:54what has been given to them.