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00:00This is the Greg Bedard Patriots podcast with Nick Cavins.
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00:51Let's talk joint practice against the Philadelphia Eagles from yesterday, Greg.
00:56I saw your appearance on Felger and Maz.
00:58Boy, you were a happy fella.
01:00But before we get to that, let's get to actually the good stuff.
01:04You want to start with the good stuff, and the good stuff was the defense yesterday.
01:08I'll just paint the picture here for people.
01:11Greg and I ended up in the same area in the perch.
01:14I've been to four padded practices in the joint practice, so I've been there five times
01:19during this camp season, and I've made sure that I'm in the perch.
01:24So I was in the perch, which is red level, kind of near 98.5, the patriots.com guys.
01:30I like sitting there to see everything, to be above the field.
01:34Greg had a separate perch when he goes to training camp.
01:38It's really the Greg Bedard perch.
01:39He's the only person there.
01:41He is tucked away from everybody else being antisocial, and he was unable, incapable of
01:49having his perch yesterday because fans were there.
01:53So Greg then-
01:54It was huge.
01:55Huge crowd.
01:56Huge crowd.
01:57I think I saw 11,000 plus people there yesterday.
02:00And so Greg found it worthwhile and meaningful to intrude in my space, and decided to join
02:07me in my perch.
02:09I also noticed that as the practice went on, Greg got further and further away from me.
02:14I don't know if that was a personal or professional statement, but I thought by the time the practice
02:18was over, Greg might be in the parking lot while I was still in the perch.
02:21So that's where we're at.
02:23We're watching.
02:24And I am not a brand amongst myself.
02:26Well, I kind of am, right?
02:28I'm the only person.
02:29I'm just watching the offense.
02:30The offense is in front of us.
02:31The defense was on the field further away from Greg and I, where most of the fans were,
02:36where the stands are.
02:38And so Mike Giardi was watching the defense while Greg was watching the offense, and I
02:43was watching the offense along with Greg.
02:45So let's attack the defense first and let people know that this is the account of Mike
02:50Giardi.
02:51This is what Mike saw, how he felt, and we'll begin with the pass rush, Greg.
02:56Mike saw a consistent pass rush, and not only was the pass rush consistent, he also saw
03:01lots of different guys getting home, so to speak.
03:06Yeah.
03:09You aptly described the scenario, and yes, I am a little bit antisocial when it comes
03:16to watching trading camp practices.
03:17I mean, you know, everybody does it differently.
03:20Some people like to sit on the hill with other people and chitchat and compare notes and
03:26stuff like that.
03:28I just like to be by myself, so I don't like to be tainted by other people's opinions.
03:34I want to just make my own opinions, and it was really not about moving away from you.
03:41It was more trying to find a place where I could see both fields unobstructed, and also
03:49the best position for me to hold my binoculars and write notes at the same time.
03:56But we did compare and contrast a few times.
04:01Like you said, similarly, I focused on the offense.
04:06I needed to see the offensive line and the quarterbacks and Drake Bay against the Eagles.
04:11Mike took the defense.
04:13Now there were snaps where the Patriots offense was huddling up or whatnot, so we could look
04:19over at the other field in the team periods, and I thought that the Patriots defense did
04:26really well from what I saw.
04:28I mean, there was a touchdown to Saquon Barkley.
04:34Matthew Judon had to cover him on a wheel route 40 yards down the field.
04:37I mean, that's not good for anybody.
04:39That's a win for the Eagles.
04:41They got the matchup they wanted, and it happened.
04:46I did see Christian Gonzalez break up a pass to A.J. Brown, sort of like a short hitch
04:50in the flat.
04:51That was nice.
04:53I think it seemed like Gonzalez struggled a little bit in one-on-ones.
04:57Again, I'm not panicking about that, because unless it's in the red zone, there's no help
05:03for the defense.
05:04I mean, it's all advantage for the offense.
05:07They know where they're going.
05:09They know how to set up guys.
05:10The quarterback doesn't have a pass rush.
05:12Eventually, everybody's going to get open against anybody.
05:16I'm not alarmed about that, but I did think in team periods, I probably saw more snaps
05:22of the defense in team red zone.
05:24I thought they did really well, saw the two-minute period where they ended up stopping the Eagles
05:30at about, I want to say, the 10 or 12-yard line, forced four and out at the end of it.
05:37That's the first team Eagles.
05:38I will say what was significant for me was seeing the pass rush get home, and it was
05:44a variety of guys against an Eagles offensive line that we know is really good and one of
05:51the best.
05:52Now, they're going through some transition.
05:54No more Jason Kelsey at center.
05:56They had Jurgens at center.
05:58Mekhi Becton, the former Jet first-round bust, so to speak, he was at right guard and probably
06:05the largest right guard I've ever seen in my life.
06:09That's why I'm laughing.
06:10I'm laughing because we're sitting there, and Greg shoots his head over at me quick
06:14and goes, Nick, I look over, and Greg's like, you're playing Becton at right guard.
06:19I said, yeah, I read that last week, and then we're both looking at him, and he is just
06:25a freaking monster.
06:26He's like 6'7", 400, whatever the hell.
06:29He's a giant at guard.
06:31It's like you're watching- How do you even throw over him?
06:35It doesn't add up looking at it, but he is a large human being.
06:40Yeah, and so, look, this comes to mind because I was watching, I think it was BST last night,
06:51and they were making note that Gerard Mayo was with the offense, the Patriots offense
06:58as opposed to the defense, and they thought that was significant, and maybe that had something
07:02to do with he wanted to see what Alex Van Pelt was up to.
07:06I don't read it that way at all.
07:08I mean, that could be the case, but I will say normally in these joint practices, what
07:14happens is you have a head coach on each field, and so it's very normal for Nick Sirianni
07:22to want to be with his offense because it's basically his offense, and so that Gerard
07:27Mayo was basically the head coach of the other field, the supervisor of the other field,
07:33I don't think had any significance at all.
07:35It could have, but in my experience, that didn't mean anything, but I thought the Patriots
07:43defense did well.
07:45I do think that on both sides of the ball for the Eagles, there's some transition going
07:51on.
07:52Jalen Hurts did not have a good year last year.
07:55We all know what happened to the Eagles down the stretch.
07:57They completely fell apart.
07:59They're going through a lot of growing pains.
08:01We know they have talent in a lot of different spots.
08:05Defensively, they were a train wreck last year to the point where they had to put Matt
08:09Patricia in to run somebody else's scheme, which went about as well as it sounds.
08:17It was a complete debacle.
08:18There was no way Matt Patricia was going to be back in Philly this year.
08:22They have Vic Fangio, who I love.
08:24I have a great deal of respect for one of the godfathers of defense in the NFL.
08:31They're working through some things.
08:33It wasn't a talented Eagles team.
08:35No doubt, Howie Roseman does a good job in that regard, but in terms of where they are
08:40and how formidable they are, I wouldn't say this was a huge, huge test, but it was a good
08:48individual test, I would say.
08:51As far as the pass rush, I looked over and probably saw, I'd say, my guess, anywhere
08:56between 10 and 15 snaps of the defense yesterday, because, again, I was mostly focused on the
09:00offense like Greg was.
09:02I saw Tavai get home at one point.
09:03I saw Judon get home once or twice, so it did look like the pass rush was there.
09:09The other part of the defensive line that Giardi brought up was Devon Gottschall in
09:13pretty much Gottschall 8 against the Philadelphia offensive line of run game.
09:17It was kind of displacement.
09:18It did really well.
09:21That's good to see, right, Greg?
09:22With Barmore out especially, Gottschall, you need, they're different players, and Gottschall's
09:28not the pass rush guy, he's not going to be making plays on the quarterback too often,
09:33but to have Gottschall be that steady anchor, at least on early downs, is critical for this
09:38defense, correct?
09:39Yeah, I thought, especially Gottschall, we'll probably get into the Panthers preseason game
09:48a little bit.
09:49I'm a little concerned about the defensive interior.
09:54I think there's a bunch of places in this roster where the depth is razor thin, and
10:00I think that's one of the places.
10:02But for them to do what it appeared they did, now, you know, I did see the Eagles pop off
10:07on some runs, that's for sure.
10:09But considering how different that run defense is, and another thing I wanted to point out,
10:16and it's an interesting choice to me, normally when we're in training camp, we see the defense
10:27and offense run off cards, which means they are, even for a preseason game, they prepare,
10:34at least in the past, watching Bill Belichick and all those guys, they prepare for the upcoming
10:39opponent, which gives you a look at their scheme, and some of the basic stuff that you're
10:45going to see.
10:47I haven't seen them work off of cards at all in this camp, and so I don't think they were
10:52really prepared for the Eagles.
10:54It's an interesting choice when you're talking about what's going on with the offense, that
10:57they're not doing this.
10:58Yeah, let me jump in for a second, because it's the opportune time to do so.
11:04I saw something, it jumped out at me, and I'm glad you brought this up, because when
11:08Drake May was speaking to the media yesterday, I saw this on, I think it was early edition
11:13yesterday, on NBC Sports Boston, and Drake said that they really hadn't prepared for
11:18Philadelphia, that they were going out there, feel their way through things, then they were
11:24going to take the film and watch what happened at the joint practice, and then prepare for
11:29the preseason game tomorrow night, and I found that fascinating, that they pretty much went
11:33out there and said, let's just naturally let this thing develop and organically figure
11:38out what they're doing.
11:40I didn't know if that was a usual occurrence, but according to you, it is not, especially
11:44under Bill Belichick.
11:45Yeah, that confirms what I believed and what I've seen, because I was even looking at sort
11:54of my practice report from camp, and I have this disclaimer with quarterback stats, where
12:00I explain, and it's from years past, because it's just a copy and paste of what I've done
12:05in years past, trying to be consistent, and what I say is, I'm not going to have the same
12:10number of plays, or passes, or attempts, quarterback stats, as other people, because there are
12:15periods where the team works off of cards, and I don't count that, because basically
12:23the defense isn't really competing, but I haven't noticed any of that in camp, and that
12:30is certainly a decision, and now that I think about it, with the struggles of the offense,
12:38would that have something to do with it?
12:40Hell yes, and I don't really understand that.
12:44I'm trying to remember what Mike McCarthy used to do, because we know Van Pelt came
12:49from that.
12:52I seem to remember them working off cards a lot.
12:54Now you will start to work, they'll start to work off of cards for the regular season
12:59opener, but normally you try to, even Belichick mentioned this, I think when he was on the
13:05McAfee show this week, where you do a little preparation for the preseason game, just to
13:11give your guys a chance, and so that was certainly another interesting choice by this coaching
13:18staff.
13:19Yeah, I'm trying to find the quote, and I just can't find the quote, but I remember
13:22Drake May saying something along the lines of, that they hadn't really prepared for what
13:26they were going to see yesterday, because it stood out to me, and when you just mentioned
13:30the whole card thing, my mind, the switch went off a little bit, and I said, oh wait,
13:35the Drake May thing.
13:37It is a very interesting decision by that coaching staff.
13:40Last thing about the defense that I wanted to hit on, Giardi brought up the secondary
13:45depth being an issue, and I appreciate Mike.
13:49I'm not really worried about that right now, because, and Mike mentioned that there was
13:54no Marcus Jones, there was no Jonathan Jones.
13:57I don't know how many fourth or fifth corners are going to be capable of slowing down A.J.
14:01Brown and or Devante Smith.
14:03So relatively speaking, the fact that Marco Wilson and Alex Austin and Isaiah Bolden struggled
14:10against two of the best receivers in the game, to me it's like, yeah, expected, and if you
14:16go into a game against those guys, a game that actually counts, I would just have to
14:20imagine Gonzalez would be put on one of them, and yesterday it was mostly Smith in the 11
14:25on 11, the team periods, and I would imagine that that second corner would get some help
14:32on the back end, and I wonder, Greg, I don't know if you got to see it or not, but I do
14:36wonder, was this more of like a test these guys out thing, because Gerrard's talked about
14:43trying to find that corner behind Marcus and Jonathan, and they brought up Marco Wilson,
14:48so maybe this was a sink or swim moment for those other cornerbacks, and they put him
14:53against A.J. Brown for the most part and said, all right, let's see how you do one-on-one
14:57against that beast.
15:00Yeah, I would think so.
15:03I mean, we're going to discuss a little bit more about their decisions as it relates to
15:10the secondary and pass rush, some of the decisions by DeMarcus Covington later, but it seems
15:19like Jonathan Jones and Marcus Jones and even Sean Wade are getting closer.
15:25They all retreated to the rehab field after stretching yesterday.
15:29Sean Wade's definitely competing with, I think, Alex Alston and Marco Wilson, you know, with
15:35those guys, Isaiah Bolden and Marcellus Dial.
15:37Yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with putting these bubble guys in a position where there
15:43are a few slots up, but they're competing, and that's good tape and good evidence for
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17:22So I was, to move along to the offense now, I was sitting at home last night in the living
17:27room and I was perusing through YouTube and I came across 98FabTheSportsHub and a YouTube
17:34video post of one Greg Bedard.
17:38And boy, you made Mike Felger happy yesterday.
17:41Whoa, no, Felger doesn't get as excited.
17:47I don't know if you can get him to pitch a tent quicker in any other way than to go
17:55into that studio and just blister some of the stuff you saw like you did yesterday.
18:00The Felger was in heaven, he was laughing, he was the happiest I've ever seen him.
18:04As you were just ripping apart the offense.
18:08You and I watched the offense yesterday, 30,000 feet, what we saw yesterday wasn't very good.
18:15But let's start with the offensive line.
18:17Just kind of your thoughts and get as minutiae as you want to about those guys up front.
18:22Yeah, and at the top, let me say this, because I understand how things go on FelgerMass and
18:27of course my Twitter feed was filled with it over the last day because I know my comments
18:35got a lot of run everywhere and probably scared the bejesus out of a lot of people.
18:41What happens is I give my take, people hear the headlines, Mike regurgitates the headlines
18:48when I'm done.
18:49Normally, all the doomsday stuff, they run that back and they don't mention or highlight
18:58some of my other comments.
19:01Let me just be clear, since Felger's not here to mangle what I'm saying, is yes, yesterday
19:09was a train wreck for the offense.
19:13It got worse as the practice went on.
19:18It was horrifying.
19:20It was some of the worst offense I've seen in any training camp.
19:26Right up there with some of the lowlights from the Matt Patricia years.
19:32I do think it's a little bit different.
19:34I think that the Patricia offense had some talent.
19:38Matt had no idea what he was doing.
19:42Now, I think that the coaches know what they're doing on this team.
19:46I think that the talent is a little bit limited.
19:49I do think that they, like we've mentioned, not preparing for the team, that's not going
19:55to help.
19:56It's going to look worse.
19:58It just is.
20:02Drake May does feel miles away for me in terms of where he is in this offense, how he looks,
20:11that sort of thing.
20:13That being said, that is today.
20:15That is my opinion today after watching what we saw.
20:19Now, do I think that they are necessarily going to be a horrific offense and only win
20:25one game and Drake May is a bust?
20:29No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
20:32Both can be true.
20:34I can give my opinion on what I saw yesterday and what I've seen in camp to this point,
20:39but you also have to remember it is now the middle of August.
20:41They're not playing basically until the middle of September.
20:45There's like three, four weeks left, almost a month left for them to prepare for the opener.
20:52That's a lot of time.
20:53That's a lot of time, practice time that we're not going to see because we don't see them
20:58in practice after yesterday.
21:00The only thing that we're going to see is the last preseason game and we don't know
21:02what we're going to see in that game.
21:08Did that practice have me questioning a lot of things about what's going on and some of
21:12the choices that they made?
21:14Yes.
21:15Do I think that they possibly mis-evaluated how far away Drake May was?
21:21Yes.
21:22But that doesn't mean that he's going to be a bust or anything like that.
21:26I've always been of the opinion.
21:29People can go back, BSJ members can go back and read my Drake May pre-draft evaluation.
21:34I read it on the air yesterday and I basically said he needs to sit for at least a year.
21:39I'm fine with that.
21:41To me, it's all about the decisions made for 2025.
21:44Yeah, it might be rough this year in points, but as long as they improve at some point,
21:51like the middle of the season, they improve towards the end and maybe we get to see a
21:54little bit of Drake May and we say, holy cow, this guy looks completely different than
21:58what we saw in the middle of August.
22:00Like I'm all good.
22:02That means that the franchise is on the right track.
22:05But specific to the offensive line, yeah, what went on yesterday and how basically everybody
22:12got beat.
22:13And it was a combination of free rushers, guys just getting beat one-on-one, the quarterbacks,
22:21especially Drake May, probably factoring into some of it, holding onto the ball, a little
22:25bit of indecision, not making the right checks at the line.
22:32It was very concerning.
22:33To me, it's the type of practice and I heard from a couple coaches who heard me yesterday
22:38and they were like, Greg, you're 100% correct.
22:41This is the type of practice where everyone goes back into the meeting room either yesterday
22:47or today and they say, okay, how are we going forward?
22:51They need to reevaluate everything.
22:52Are they going to continue this Vidarian low thing at left tackle?
22:56Do you think about giving a guy, here's a positive, Leighton Robinson has had a hell
23:01of a couple weeks, including the preseason game, one-on-ones yesterday against the Eagles.
23:09He's done a really nice job.
23:11Do you give it a look, and it's probably too late for Thursday's game against the Eagles,
23:15but starting after that, do you give it a look where you kick a winning out to right
23:18tackle?
23:19You put Leighton Robinson in at right guard, and now you just have to worry about left
23:23tackle.
23:24Maybe you think about putting a core four back over there who we know is at least a
23:29professional and has played in this league and at times played well.
23:34It was rough yesterday, but they got to figure that out because talking about the offense,
23:40talking about Alex Van Pelt, talking about Drake May where he is, it doesn't mean crap
23:47if they can't block anything, and that includes the run game, which didn't look that great
23:52either yesterday.
23:53Yeah, we'll get to the run game in a little bit.
23:56Just a few thoughts on the O-line.
24:01I like to differentiate the top O-line and the rest of the O-line, and I thought pre-Carolina
24:07preseason game, before we got to that game last Thursday night, the top offensive line
24:12did not look bad, at least to me.
24:15It didn't look like a fire drill.
24:17It didn't look like 20-23.
24:19It looked like they had settled in somewhat, and were they going to be a great offensive
24:24line?
24:25No.
24:26But were they going to lose their ass?
24:28No.
24:29Top offensive line.
24:31Carolina game, a core four who missed a few practices goes out there and makes at least
24:36two or three mistakes.
24:39By the way, let me just say, I did not like that.
24:41He hadn't practiced for like three days, and then you throw him in at game speed and
24:45full contact, that was just not a good decision.
24:49Unfair.
24:50Unfair to a core four.
24:52So took a little bit of a step back, and so had been the second best offensive lineman
24:56in camp behind a winner, and so took a slight step back against Carolina.
25:00I just want to make this point, because I haven't heard a lot of people make it.
25:05When you look at the totality of the camp, that top offensive line wasn't doing a bad
25:10job until Carolina.
25:12Then you had the Carolina game, and then you had the joint practice yesterday, which was
25:15abominable.
25:16And so now we look at it and we go, okay, how much has to change?
25:20You brought up the Ueno idea, sliding him out to right tackle.
25:24Would you entertain the idea, Greg, of giving Caden Wallace maybe a couple of reps on the
25:29left side?
25:31He was up and down early in camp, but would you go back to that and see if he could really
25:36give something more than low, or are you just done with that idea and you'd rather
25:41mess with the right side and then maybe kick a core four to the left?
25:45So what I would do if I was in charge is I would definitely either use practice or the
25:51remaining preseason games to take a look at Robinson at right guard and Ueno at right
25:58tackle.
25:59And then I would let Caden Wallace and Chooksacore four battle it out for left tackle, like let
26:07them compete.
26:10Flip series if you have to.
26:12To me, Vidarian Lowe and Calvin Anderson have been huge issues at offensive tackle.
26:19You're right.
26:20At times, they've shown really well.
26:23Vidarian Lowe had some really rough film against the Panthers, the kind of stuff where
26:29he looked really light.
26:32He looked about 260 pounds.
26:34He's getting pushed around easily by second string Carolina Panthers.
26:41And so I think they need to go back into the room.
26:46They need to discuss it.
26:47But they have to figure out, all right, well, what are we going to do at left tackle?
26:51To me, I think a core four and Wallace battling it out there would be the right thing to do.
26:56And then take a look at Robinson at right guard to see whether he can handle it.
27:03I mean, it's not especially around here.
27:05It's not unusual for a middle to late offensive coordinator, late round offensive lineman
27:15to pop and play meaningful minutes to start for this team.
27:18I mean, look at a winning.
27:19What was he?
27:20A six round pick?
27:21And you were like, holy crap, they have something like Robinson has made me feel that way when
27:27I've watched him at times, especially the Panthers game.
27:30And I know internally they're high on him.
27:33And now it's time for the coaches to get on board.
27:35Yeah.
27:36Shaq Mason would be another guy who was later rounds of guard who did a good job early in
27:41his career.
27:42All right.
27:43So I think the offensive line thing directly leads into the Drake May conversation.
27:48And I saw you yesterday.
27:50I don't necessarily agree with you saying that, you know, and look, you have watched
27:56a lot more practices than I have, and I'm sure there are little things you're picking
27:59up about May that I don't pick up.
28:03But my number one takeaway from yesterday when I walked out of that practice and I said
28:08this to you, I think at the time, I have no clue where Drake May is.
28:14I don't know if he's far behind.
28:16I don't know if he's behind.
28:18I don't know if he might be on schedule.
28:21And I'm not saying that to defend or excuse Drake May.
28:25It's just this offensive line, especially yesterday, was so bad that the last two 11
28:31on 11 periods were absolutely useless.
28:34Greg, six of the 12 snaps were, quote, unquote, sacks, a bad snap from Moffey and another
28:40another snap, another play that ended up with a pocket that started to collapse around May.
28:46And I think May just threw the football away because he saw the soldiers charging after
28:51him.
28:54It's like it's like going to the ER.
28:56I said this to Kelly last night.
28:58When you go to the ER, say you have multiple injuries, the ER nurse, the ER doctor is going
29:05to tend to what needs to be tended to first.
29:09They want to take care of the immediate threat to your life, right?
29:12To me yesterday, the immediate threat was not Drake May, not even close.
29:17The immediate threat that needed to be taken care of was the offensive line.
29:22That was where the triage had to be focused on.
29:25And so it's very difficult for me to draw any grand conclusion about where Drake May
29:31is when the offensive line is so bad and some of the operation is certainly on him.
29:36But the snaps are not consistent, especially when you have Moffey out there.
29:40It's just very difficult for me to know where he is, given the bleep show that was in front
29:45of him yesterday.
29:46And it has been in front of him for, I would say, most of camp.
29:53I don't disagree with that.
29:56Two points that I wanted to make first, you mentioned Moffey and it triggered something
29:59in my mind.
30:02And let me preface this sort of like the tool bag question about Matthew Judon yesterday.
30:07I love David Andrews.
30:09I think I'm one of his biggest fans.
30:11I think he's completely underrated by not only nationally, but this fan base.
30:19And I knew he's been through some things personally in the last couple weeks with his child.
30:24And I obviously have totally understand that.
30:31I am going to be a little critical of, and I don't know what's going on.
30:35I don't know if he has an injury, which makes this valid.
30:39But David Andrews, in the last week, has checked out of some team periods, like sat out, okay?
30:49Including yesterday, there was a team period against the Eagles where he sat out.
30:56That means that Nick Leverett is now the starting center, and that means Antonio Moffey and
31:03or Liam Fornadel, another guy who I will say as a positive has had a really good couple
31:08weeks.
31:09He reminds me of Dan Connolly, probably because he's wearing 63 out there.
31:13Dan was one of my favorite players to cover.
31:17But when he's gotten a chance at center and at guard, he's done a really nice job the
31:21past couple weeks.
31:22And so I don't know why they keep putting Moffey out there.
31:24But my point in saying this is when David chooses not to practice, and I wonder if this
31:30is one of the, again, I'm not saying this because he could have an injury.
31:36I don't know.
31:37And he could have some issues where he can't go the full practice, and he's a veteran,
31:44and that's fine.
31:45I understand.
31:46But is this an example of Mayo being a little bit looser with the players being like, hey,
31:53especially the veterans, captains, like, hey, if you need to duck out of practice or you
31:57need to take a series off, that's fine.
31:59I get it.
32:04But the downside of that is David not being on the field has a trickle down effect that
32:09affects Drake May and a bunch of other people.
32:12And to me, it's just not good for Drake May.
32:21And I think Mayo needs to figure out what's going on there and be like, David, we need
32:28you out there, at least with the starters, because Leverett's fine for May.
32:33But once we get away from that, it's a train wreck.
32:36But I agree with you.
32:37In terms of Drake May, I can't tell where he is.
32:42I can't with the offensive line.
32:44Now, that being said, because I agree with your point.
32:48That being said, in my experience covering the National Football League, the decisions
32:54that coaches make in practice, there's a reason for it.
32:59Why aren't they giving him some snaps with the starting offensive line?
33:05Is that just something they believe in?
33:07Or in my experience, it's he's not ready for that.
33:12And what's the truth?
33:15I don't know.
33:16And all I can go on.
33:17You know, Mayo, every time he's asked about Drake May and not getting snaps with so-and-so
33:20and this, he's like, when he's ready, he'll get that.
33:24To me, that means he's not ready.
33:26And so all I can do is take that and put it together with what I'm seeing at practice
33:32and come to the conclusion that he is miles away from starting a game in the National
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35:58A couple things about that though, about the idea of may not playing behind the top offensive
36:04line, at least for a series or two.
36:08I just want to talk about the plan and I want to pick apart your brain about what we've
36:12seen play out here against Carolina in that preseason game.
36:17I understood the idea of not putting may behind the second team offensive line because the
36:23bullets were flying and you might be a little concerned how it would impact the rookie quarterback.
36:29I said this on Saturday on 98.5 Greg, during the shift I did, if I'm Mayo, I'm Alex van
36:37Pelton.
36:38I'm going into that game.
36:39I would rather have Drake may start that game against Carolina and get both series with
36:46the top offensive line and your top skilled players than playing Jacoby Brissett a handful
36:52of snaps because we know who Jacoby Brissett is.
36:55We understand who he is as an NFL quarterback.
36:58I don't think five to six or seven snaps in a preseason game is going to impact Jacoby
37:04Brissett that much, especially when he's going to get a lot of snaps against Philly
37:09at the joint practice and might end up getting more snaps tomorrow night in the preseason
37:13game.
37:14So I didn't have much of an issue with may, you know, behind that first offensive line
37:19and not wanting to put him behind the second offensive line.
37:22I just would have started him and sat Brissett last Thursday night.
37:26And then we got into yesterday and here's my thing is it's like almost like the chicken
37:33or the egg is Drake may not ready because Drake may is not ready or is Drake may not
37:38ready because you are putting obstacles in front of his development because of how you're
37:43handling him and what you're doing.
37:46And I just have to go back and yesterday I got to the point of just utter frustration
37:50because if he's not good enough to be behind the top offensive line, then he should not
37:55go to that.
37:56He shouldn't have gotten that series against Carolina to begin with.
38:00And then say people would say, well, then you don't play him.
38:03Well, you got to play him at some point.
38:06You got to try to develop the young man at some point.
38:08So if he's good enough to play against Carolina with that top offensive line, I don't know
38:12how he's not good enough to get at least one series with the top line yesterday.
38:16I'm not, I'm not saying for him to split reps with Brissett.
38:19I think it's clear that Brissett is QB one right now.
38:23But I also think, what are you getting out of Drake may?
38:26Like when you watch yesterday play out, literally his last 12 snaps of that practice were useless.
38:33The young man is not getting anything out of that.
38:36And it's like, okay, so he might be a little bit behind in some cases, but how are you
38:42improving him?
38:43How is he progressing when he's stuck in the situation that we saw yesterday?
38:49When it's just, you might as well just sit him down.
38:51I'd rather have Bailey Zappi out there running around like a chicken with his head cut off
38:55than putting may back there for 12 snaps of just useless football.
38:58So I don't really understand the plan.
39:00I don't, and this might change tomorrow night.
39:04He might go out there and play a whole quarter behind the top offensive line.
39:07And if that's the case, then I'll say, okay, it makes a little bit more sense, but I just,
39:11I don't know why, how we've gone through so much of camp and to me and you, you just agreed.
39:19We don't really know where the development is of Drake may, and it should not be that
39:23way in the middle of August.
39:25We should have at least some idea as to how this guy is progressing and if he is progressing.
39:31Yeah.
39:32You know, I completely agree.
39:35And you know, this whole Drake may situation, and I don't want to, this could be, this will
39:40probably be a whole nother podcast probably next week.
39:44Cause I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to write this for next week.
39:48Hopefully somebody doesn't steal it before I get to it.
39:52So I've been thinking about like, what would Bill Belichick, what would Josh McDaniels
39:57do with this type of player?
40:00Somebody who is not just, let's just throw the third overall pick out of it.
40:05Let's just talk about like a quarterback who is developmental, who has talent.
40:11And you know, at first I was thinking, I was like, well, what if they drafted Lamar Jackson
40:16that year, what would they have done?
40:18But then, you know, texting with people, I was like, like the example just came to mind.
40:24It's, it's Jimmy Garoppolo.
40:27Jimmy Garoppolo, first of all, was a second round pick, 62nd overall.
40:31We understand what the situation was.
40:34They were grooming him to be the successor to Brady and you know, how, however many years,
40:41you know, he, ideally he would have been the backup in 2014 as a rookie that ended up happening.
40:48Jimmy Garoppolo was a, he came from a similar offense to Drake May.
40:53A lot of shotgun, a lot of spread, never called his own plays, like all that stuff.
40:58And you know, we'll get into this later, but like in terms of how the Patriots developed him,
41:04I mean, he played in the preseason, his rookie year, he played 27 snaps, 30 snaps, 24 and 69 in the Giants.
41:14So it's different.
41:15They had the fourth preseason game.
41:16He started, played the entire game against the Giants.
41:20And, you know, even if the, even if the kids talented and unrefined and you need to,
41:26and this is the stuff that they were doing with Jimmy, his footwork and things like that, you know,
41:32they played him and, you know, what they would do was just basically take what he was good at,
41:40call that stuff and then, you know, slowly expand what they were doing with him.
41:46I don't understand how you can't do that with Drake.
41:50It just pisses me off because so far that the two most crucial moments in this camp season right now is
41:56last Thursday night when he gets a series in the rain and then you take them out and then the joint practice.
42:03And what did you get out of that?
42:07He didn't get anything really out of either of those moments.
42:11And now you're looking at the second preseason game tomorrow night.
42:14We'll see how it goes.
42:14But the third preseason game is also going to be useless.
42:17But you might be looking at this camp and preseason and say to yourself,
42:23Drake may got one series against the starting defense.
42:26How the hell do you know what he is?
42:28He got one series with the starting offensive line and some of the starting weapons.
42:32Like, how do you know what you have?
42:35The virtual reality shit I get like, OK, but at some point you got to put them on the football field and say,
42:42hey, live bullets.
42:43Let's give him a chance with an offensive line that could somewhat block and see if the young man can make some plays.
42:48So it's just very frustrating.
42:50Just quick, by the way, real quick, Nick, did you see the breaking news that JJ McCarthy is out for the season?
42:57Yes, I was just going to mention that meniscus tear.
43:00He's done.
43:01That's that's interesting, kind of robs us a little compare and contrast.
43:05But, you know, now basically both quarterbacks are, which were probably highly.
43:11It was probably between those two guys.
43:13The Patriots could have gone both routes, which is draft Drake May at three or trade down and draft JJ McCarthy.
43:20And now both of them are in essence redshirting for a year.
43:24So I don't know.
43:24It's just interesting.
43:25Just two quick questions I have for you and then we'll move on.
43:28We got to do we got to run through it somewhat quickly because we're going to go long here today.
43:31I'm sure people don't mind.
43:32But the run game, you mentioned it much earlier.
43:36For the most part, it was a disaster.
43:37I thought Romandre Stevenson had a pretty good day yesterday.
43:40Given the circumstances, he popped one run that I thought he might have been able to take to the house.
43:44He had another couple of runs that were good gains.
43:46But other than that, Greg, a lot of run stuffs and a lot of minimal gains for that run game.
43:51And we've heard Alex Van Pelt say and Mayo and players to say running team, they better block it better up front, my friend.
43:59Yeah, and I wonder.
44:04I wonder if they make some choices because of that.
44:07And you're right.
44:07I mean, this offense doesn't really work if you can't run the ball and they haven't been able to run the ball.
44:15I think they've struggled some on their outside zone stuff they have.
44:19It's been interesting the past week or so in practice and even in the game, we've seen a lot more inside zone and also some gap scheme.
44:29And I wonder if they're coming to the realization that that fits what they're working with on the offensive line better, because I do think that stuff's been more effective.
44:40And now how does that how does that trickle down and affect the passing game and what Alex Van Pelt wants to do?
44:48It's Nick, it's a mess.
44:52The last thing I want to get to on the offense before we get the Panthers preseason game and then some expectations for the Eagles tomorrow night.
44:58Wide receiver, this is something else that's starting to become a hair across my tuk tuk.
45:02So. I don't know if you agree, but Jalen Polk to me, from what I've seen, is the second best receiver in camp behind Pop Douglas.
45:13Yeah, I just wonder when are they going to pull the trigger and actually put Polk out there as a consistent part of this starting offense?
45:20We've seen, you know, yesterday or on Monday, I saw Andrew Callahan tweet that it seemed like there was kind of a clear cut hierarchy at wide receiver in that room.
45:30And it was Osborne, Thornton, and I think it was Pop or whatever.
45:36Is it time to start sprinkling in Polk more or just say, hey, look, Taekwon, he did nothing yesterday.
45:42The only time I saw him was a drop hit him right in the hands.
45:47Enough is enough with the BS.
45:49Let's play Jalen Polk a little bit more.
45:51Is it time? It's time for me.
45:52Is it time for you?
45:54Yeah, it's I think they're going to start doing that pretty soon.
45:57I mean, you know, Taekwon Thornton has been a good story for much of camp.
46:02I mean, that he's still on the field at this point is an accomplishment in itself.
46:08You know, I think he's just going to be a designated home run hitter,
46:12you know, and and speaking of that, you know, talking to a coach the other day, they were like,
46:17look, figure out what Drake May did well in college.
46:20If it's, you know, roll right, throw a throw a deep bomb 60 yards down the left sideline.
46:26Well, put Taekwon Thornton out there, let him run and then just tell Drake to throw it.
46:31But anyways, yes, I agree.
46:33I think it when we get going, it's going to be
46:37it's going to be Pop Douglas.
46:39It's going to be Jalen Polk.
46:40It's going to be K.J. Osborne.
46:42And, you know, Baker will.
46:44Javon Baker will get into the mix a little bit.
46:47But yeah, I mean, Taekwon Thornton goes over the middle yesterday
46:50and, you know, it's in traffic, predictably drop like that's not his bag.
46:55He's in, you know, perimeter guy.
46:58Just let him run down the field.
46:59Maybe a slant, maybe an incut type of thing.
47:03But not over the middle.
47:05And Polk's a baller.
47:07Just I think it's coming sooner rather than later.
47:10I hope to hell so.
47:12All right.
47:12Panthers preseason game last Thursday night.
47:14We'll just do kind of a three up, three down, three things you like,
47:17three things you didn't like.
47:18Yeah, things that you liked, Greg
47:21Leighton Robinson talked about it earlier.
47:23He's had a really good couple of weeks.
47:25I want to see more out of him.
47:27I really like the size and physicality he plays with.
47:30So that's good stuff.
47:32Joe Milton was number two.
47:34I think that's pretty obvious.
47:37You know, no, I don't think he's any threat
47:39of anything.
47:40And and, you know, you know, do I think
47:44and I was thinking about this the other day, do I think there's a chance,
47:48you know, we get to the end of the season and maybe Drake
47:50Mays not ready and say Kobe Bursett's hurt and veteran
47:54de Jure is hurt and like, you know, do they do they put Joe Milton out there
48:00running a package before Drake May?
48:02I could see it just to take the bullets, depending on what things are going on.
48:08But, you know, he did a nice job the other night.
48:10And the pass rush from Jeremiah Farms and O'Shaughnessy examiners.
48:17Is that how you you were on me about the what is it?
48:21Oh, Shane Zeman is.
48:23Oh, Shane Zeman is.
48:25I'm going to get this probably in time for him to be released.
48:28But I thought they were really good with the pass rush run defense.
48:33Not so good.
48:35O'Shaughnessy was like all over the place.
48:38Bill would have probably cut him by now.
48:39The amount of times he was like peeking inside and running inside
48:43and giving up the edge.
48:45So, yeah. Yeah.
48:46Zeman is a run defense, not his
48:51not his cup of tea, let's say.
48:52No, he did not show that ability with the Giants.
48:56He was not really asked to do that at ODU.
48:58From what I remember, it was pin your ears back and get after the quarterback.
49:02And he can do that.
49:02He can give you some pass rush.
49:03He had a nice special team stick in that preseason game at a strip sack.
49:08I think he's got a chance to make this roster.
49:11Uche hurts his chance to make the roster, though,
49:13because Uche is a very similar kind of player, right?
49:15Like the sub pass rush type.
49:17Farms, another guy.
49:18I agree with you. Farms showed up
49:21and Jalen Polk.
49:22I just mentioned him, but he had that stick of hands
49:24kind of catching to the sideline where he just he just plucked it out of the air.
49:28He looks like he belongs.
49:29All right. Three things you didn't like.
49:31Uh, Drake May's usage.
49:34I think people have heard me with a listen to me on 98 five after the game.
49:38I pretty much immediately said it.
49:40I've written it.
49:41It makes zero sense what they did with Drake May.
49:45There's plenty of ways to
49:48get him used to game action while minimizing
49:51any injury risk or whatever risk like like I said,
49:56find out what he's good at, find out what he has in his bucket
49:59and run those plays at the minimum and just do that
50:02and just do it over and over again.
50:03It's a preseason game against a team playing four and two shell
50:08and it's a bunch of backups.
50:10Like if you're not going to play him a lot like he could have played
50:13like the second and third quarters against the if you're not going to play him
50:16against that team, like what the hell are you going to do against the Eagles?
50:21Which we will get into in a second.
50:23I also didn't like from a
50:27what the hell is this coaching staff doing department?
50:30Why the Patriots blitz so much in that game?
50:33The Patriots blitz percentage was the highest in the league
50:36in week one of preseason.
50:39I don't understand the point of that.
50:41I don't think you're learning anything about your pass rushers,
50:44and I certainly don't think you're learning anything about your cornerbacks
50:47and safeties who basically had no work to do because Jake Plummer was under assault.
50:52All five of the Patriots sacks came on blitzes
50:56like I can see if you're working with your top unit,
50:59even though you don't want to show much with your blitzes like during the preseason.
51:03But I just don't understand DeMarcus Covington making that choice.
51:06It was like they were bullying a weaker kid.
51:08What I just don't understand the point of that.
51:12And then some of the interior run defense.
51:14I mean, basically, once they get beyond Devon Godchow.
51:19And Sam Roberts does a decent job, he's been around here, he's got long arms
51:24like you get beyond those two guys.
51:28Man, whether it's
51:30farms or Wale, he did have a nice run stuff.
51:33He penetrated a gap, got in the backfield.
51:36But those guys have a really tough time holding up to double teams on the interior.
51:41And that's a big worry of mine with this defense so far.
51:47Everybody pumped the brakes, relax.
51:49I'm not telling you that Gerard Mayo is going to fail as a head coach.
51:52I thought he had a rough first half.
51:55First time as a head coach out there, I thought he had a rough first half.
51:58You mentioned the Drake May usage thing.
52:00I know people say Alex van Peltz, the head coach, the offense, blah, blah, blah.
52:03Ultimately, the head coach.
52:06You got to figure it out with with with your young guy.
52:10Then you had the play with Wilcox, the non catch.
52:13They didn't get to the line of scrimmage quick enough and snap the football
52:17that allowed Carolina to challenge it.
52:19You lose possession because of that.
52:21That's a rookie mistake.
52:23The end of half scenario.
52:24You had two timeouts.
52:25Carolina had a third down at their own 11 yard line.
52:29Why not call a timeout and force Carolina's hand
52:32to play that third down the way your defense is playing?
52:35And maybe that gets you an opportunity to put Drake May out there
52:38at the end of the half for a quick two minute drill
52:41to see if he can actually do better with the live action.
52:43So it was a wasted opportunity at the end of the first half by Mayo.
52:48So I thought he had a rough, rough first half.
52:52Chooks City, so we mentioned him earlier.
52:55Chooks somewhat understandable because of his situation coming off injury.
52:59So took a step back.
53:00And I don't mean to kill this guy, but Mitchell Wilcox Wolf
53:06captain drop a lot.
53:07This dude drops at least every other football thrown to him.
53:10We saw it in camp.
53:11It happened in the game.
53:13He had a holding penalty.
53:15I want to see more like Michael Pettway and Jaheim Bell.
53:17I know what I know what Wilcox is.
53:20He's not very good.
53:21So so can we see some of the other tight ends on this roster
53:25and see if they can do anything?
53:27I don't get the Mitchell Wilcox stuff outside of, oh, he might be able to block.
53:32Great. Does that mean he can block without holding?
53:34Because we didn't see it the other night
53:36before we get to the Eagles game and Greg's expectations.
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54:01All right. Tomorrow night, Eagles preseason game.
54:04Of course, usually you have two joint practices.
54:07They only had one joint practice.
54:09Do you think that means, Greg, that we will see more of the ones tomorrow night
54:13than we would have anticipated
54:14under the usual two joint practice than preseason game?
54:18Hmm. Not necessarily because
54:21there's still just one day of rest between the game and the practice.
54:28But the Patriots have a lot of work to do.
54:29I mean, I. At a minimum, I want to see
54:35I would expect to see Jacoby Percet start the game
54:38and go through a series with the starting offensive line.
54:41And then the most of the starting offensive line stays in,
54:47perhaps with the exception of David Anders and Nick Leverett comes in.
54:50And then Drake May comes in and, you know, runs
54:55probably two series with the starting offensive line
54:58and then get them out of there and let
55:01Zappi and Milton handle the rest.
55:03I would I would really like to see Percet for a series.
55:07And Drake may play the rest of the first half, like figure it out,
55:10like script it however you need.
55:13He needs to play.
55:14And I and I'll be very curious to see what they asked Drake May
55:18to do in the game, because, again, I think this is
55:22this is another way where the coaches are telling you where he is
55:26and we'll get a better idea.
55:29Yeah, give me two or three series at the top offensive line
55:32and Drake may give him Jalen Polk and let's see what it looks like.
55:35Enough is enough with this for cock to plan.
55:38I'm done with it.
55:39I'm moving forward without it.
55:41If I'm if I'm Gerard Mayo and in company,
55:44you got to get the young man out there and you got to get him.
55:48Reasonable time, and I'm concerned if you don't do that tomorrow night again,
55:54preseason game three is going to be pretty much a write off.
55:56So you better get it done tomorrow night.
55:59If you don't, there's going to be some furniture
56:01moving around this house tomorrow night.
56:03You're not going to be good.
56:05He's Greg. I'm Nick.
56:06This went long. Hopefully you enjoyed.
56:08We'll be back after the preseason game at some point.
56:10If Greg Bedard can figure out the schedule, he's a very busy man.
56:14But enjoy the game tomorrow night.
56:16And hopefully things look better than they did yesterday.