Brian Robb is joined by guest Ryan Bernardoni (@dangercart) to discuss a host of Celtics topics, including the looming ownership sale, Sam Hauser's next deal, big-picture offseason thoughts around the NBA, and much more.
Get ready for an in-depth discussion on the NBA offseason and the Celtics' strategic moves in the latest episode of Still Poddable. Dive into the Celtics' roster stability post a successful season and the potential impact of ownership changes on player retention decisions. Explore the uncertain future of Sam Hauser amidst evolving financial dynamics in the league, drawing comparisons to similar player contracts like Duncan Robinson.
Discover the challenges and opportunities players face in the ever-changing NBA market landscape. Stay tuned for insights on player evaluations, team strengths, and the competitive landscape of the Eastern Conference, including potential threats like the 76ers, Knicks, and Bucks. Join the conversation on player development, summer league prospects, and the buzz around upcoming basketball events, offering a comprehensive view of the Celtics' journey ahead.
0:00 - Intro
2:22 - Celtics offseason excitement
7:51 - Uncertainty with new owner
10:39 - Market impact on Sam Hauser
15:38 - Team-friendly contract negotiations
17:19 - Uncertainty surrounding player contracts
22:55 - Duncan Robinson's career arc
25:32 - Uncertainty in free agency
29:23 - More MVPs than Celtics
30:59 - Jumping on the Knicks
37:00 - OKC starting five
44:19 - Celtics' unique strengths
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Discover the challenges and opportunities players face in the ever-changing NBA market landscape. Stay tuned for insights on player evaluations, team strengths, and the competitive landscape of the Eastern Conference, including potential threats like the 76ers, Knicks, and Bucks. Join the conversation on player development, summer league prospects, and the buzz around upcoming basketball events, offering a comprehensive view of the Celtics' journey ahead.
0:00 - Intro
2:22 - Celtics offseason excitement
7:51 - Uncertainty with new owner
10:39 - Market impact on Sam Hauser
15:38 - Team-friendly contract negotiations
17:19 - Uncertainty surrounding player contracts
22:55 - Duncan Robinson's career arc
25:32 - Uncertainty in free agency
29:23 - More MVPs than Celtics
30:59 - Jumping on the Knicks
37:00 - OKC starting five
44:19 - Celtics' unique strengths
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00:49Everyone, welcome into another edition of Still Potable.
00:53My name is Brian Robb.
00:55I'm joined today by regular contributor to the show, Ryan Bernardone.
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01:29All right, Ryan, we are here.
01:31We are three weeks into the NBA offseason.
01:37How do you look at this NBA offseason to start right now?
01:42The Celtics ran a pack.
01:44There's been a lot of other happenings in the Eastern Conference more than the West at this point.
01:50But just brought over to you right now.
01:53How do you like where the Celtics stand in relation to the pack in terms of what's happened in the last few weeks here?
01:59Yeah, it's all gravy.
02:00Nobody can hurt me.
02:01I don't care about anything.
02:02It's all good.
02:03I mean, they won the title.
02:04If they had lost at some point in the playoffs and I was looking at the 76ers loading up and the Knicks moves.
02:11And Brunson took a discount.
02:13What's that going to mean?
02:14And the Thunder added guys without losing anything.
02:17And I can't believe they got Caruso without giving up anything.
02:20I don't care.
02:22They can all do whatever they want.
02:24It's all gravy.
02:25None of those teams are going to be as good as the Celtics were last year.
02:29And the Celtics are running it all back.
02:31And they didn't.
02:32You know, they're going to.
02:33Obviously, there's a couple of guys who are going to be on the roster.
02:35I'm sad to see go, but hopefully they get new opportunities somewhere else.
02:40You're in Mississippi that much.
02:42Yeah.
02:43And, you know, I'm guessing O'Shea is looking for a better opportunity based on what what Brad said yesterday.
02:49But or today or whatever, whenever he spoke, I don't even know.
02:53I just you can't.
02:55No other team can hurt me right now.
02:57Like, I don't care what anybody else is doing.
02:59They're all very cute and nice.
03:00And I'm sure their fans are happy and excited.
03:03And I've been there.
03:05But like the difference between winning it and coming close and not winning it is so enormous in terms of like summertime mindset.
03:14It's been a while since I've had this, but it all comes rushing back.
03:18It's like, oh, I don't have to care.
03:19I really I just don't have to care what any of the rest of you teams are doing.
03:23As long as the Celtics aren't doing anything that's like making me incredibly angry, which they obviously have not.
03:28I am thrilled.
03:29I am happy.
03:31So, yeah, I mean, it's been it's been a nice offseason for what they've done and what we were hoping that that they would do is, you know, as a front office and a franchise and all that.
03:40But you don't stop smiling, right?
03:43Every once in a while, you just sit there and you think about it and you're like, oh, this this is great.
03:46This is the best.
03:48So that's how that's how I'm doing.
03:49How are you doing?
03:52It's they got their work done early.
03:54So I'm doing great after that.
03:55Well, it's just there's there's not going to be any waiting by the phone in August and September.
03:59That's for sure.
04:00As we wait for the 15th.
04:03Guys, I know it's a it is.
04:05It's like the talent.
04:07Why? I mean, I guess here's the one thing, though, like the owner, like this team is up for sale.
04:13Is that does that that clearly is not spoiling your your good vibes here.
04:20But I guess when that happens, I'm curious for from like from your as a very informed fan standpoint for you.
04:27Like, is that a potential good thing for keeping the team together long term or going the other way?
04:37Knowing that, you know, they've got one in the back here and could certainly pile up, you know, one or two more in the next three or four years before things really have to get dismantled here.
04:48But from that standpoint, like how how what was your general reaction to that and how this is going to potentially play out here, given the fact that this might actually is they want to happen?
05:00You know, hopefully we'll start to close on this and at least in the upcoming season, it seems like I can't imagine it's going to matter this coming season very much.
05:10I mean, obviously, it sounds like they want to get the business done this coming season.
05:14Right. I mean, it's not going to impact anything for now.
05:16Are they really going to get an owner that's so wildly different from what they had that all the players suddenly fall into a deep bunk and don't want to play anymore?
05:22Like, I don't know. It probably doesn't matter for next year.
05:24Down the line, you know, we've been looking at it for a while and sort of saying like this is they had last year they have this year.
05:30Beyond that, there will have to be some difficult decisions made.
05:33It's at least possible either because they bring in somebody so wealthy that they don't have to care and like really don't have to care at a large dollar amount.
05:41Or you get sort of new owner syndrome where it's like they just don't want to make the difficult decisions about the roster that somebody else may have.
05:47Or they sort of baked into their expectations that they were going to pay a whole bunch of luxury tax the first year for goodwill.
05:53And it's just sort of the premium on the price that they're paying anyway.
05:56So it's possible that it buys them another year before they start to make moves to cut back on some of the costs that we all kind of assume are going to come at some point.
06:05Just because of how incredibly expensive the team would get otherwise.
06:08So that's possible.
06:09It's also possible that they bring in somebody who's sort of of similar means as the ownership that they've had to this point and they still have to follow the right if it's if it's pags who buys out the team, then like would he would they change the sort of path that it looks that from the outside that looks like they're on in terms of spending, maybe not as much.
06:27So we don't really know.
06:29But like, I don't think it's going to impact this coming year.
06:31And if it impacts two years from now, we kind of think that it's going to impact two years from now, even if they weren't selling the team.
06:38Right.
06:39So like, right.
06:40How much worse could it be?
06:42Yeah.
06:44Is it better versus worse in terms of like?
06:47Yeah.
06:48Like, if somebody comes in with enough money to not have to care about like a $300 million luxury tax, then you're going to have to look away at like, what?
06:55Right.
06:56Maybe not an order you want to be rooting for anyway.
06:57At that point.
06:58Yeah.
06:59Not that I really want to be rooting for any of the owners, but like having the local owners who are also fans before they bought the team is a nice thing to have.
07:06You know, I'm not out there saying pass the hat around for for billionaires one way or another.
07:11But the ownership group that that the team has has had for the last two decades is is is one that is has local ties and we're fans of the team coming in.
07:21They weren't buying it as a sports washing thing or just some investment to flip or because they are trying to sell casino, whatever.
07:29So that stuff is is what it is.
07:32But like.
07:33I can't imagine that it makes a whole ton of difference on where the team is now.
07:36Now, five years from now, 10 years from now, 15 years from now, it could be a sea change in getting owner A versus owner B and how they operate.
07:45But for the immediate, I can't imagine that it makes that much of a difference.
07:49And those other bigger questions, like even if we knew who the owner was, we would have no way of really answering what that means unless there are people who own other teams as well, which they may very well be.
07:59That might give you some indication of how they would operate in the future.
08:01But like at this point.
08:04I don't focus on next year and try to win another title and deal with the rest of it later.
08:10The blueprint, I mean, I don't think any owner anyone will walk into a better roster situation in real time than they'll ultimately get here.
08:21So that will be it will be interesting to see again how much of it is just, you know, leaving everything in place from a, you know, a staffing standpoint.
08:31Obviously, the player stuff is what it is on the spending front.
08:34But certainly.
08:36From the front office to the coaching to, you know, the business side, everything like that, there's always uncertainty when there's a big shift like that.
08:43But if it's to keep it in house there, I'm sure that will be it's not upon by many.
08:49And if not, there's certainly plenty of reason to forever comes in.
08:54But it is that does leave just again, not really anything for next season.
08:59As Brad Stevens was asked about last night in Las Vegas, he was, you know, like, yeah, it's it surprised me too.
09:04But, you know, it doesn't really change anything for now.
09:07Like until those tough decisions come until someone else gets in place, like they're operating, obviously, status quo.
09:13And that's has been a good thing for this group.
09:17We saw the extensions.
09:19Jason Tatum squeezed that player option out of them, Ryan, for that on the Supermax.
09:23Derek White got that player option too.
09:25I think they earned it.
09:28I feel like they earned it.
09:30I feel like that was a pretty good negotiating standpoint for both those sides there.
09:34So the only the only intriguing thing here left that as kind of not a kind of reality of of late, but Sam Houser and the stuff is obviously can can talk and can officially could do an extension at any point now as we're into mid-July.
09:51So what I want to look to here, Ryan, is to we know the reality of the situation here.
09:57Houser is on a expiring deal of two million dollars, heavily underpaid, and I believe will be now an unrestricted free agent next summer.
10:08But there have been a number of free agent deals, not, you know, exactly comparable to Houser as a player, but just the same ilk of maybe at least price range.
10:20And so I'm going to run out a few of these to you here.
10:23And I'm curious to see if you think just the market as a whole, as well as some of these being handed out is a is a good or a bad thing for Sam Houser and his camp as they weigh extension versus hitting the open market.
10:36So we had KCP three years, 66 million for Orlando.
10:42Yeah, Monk got four years, 78 million from Sacramento.
10:46Clay Thompson, three for 50 from the Mavs.
10:50I'll be topping for 58 from the Pacers, which I'm not sure how many is incentives in that, but that seems like a lot for me to happen.
10:59And then the other side of the coin is like you got Melton for one for 12, but he got, I think, 90 year for the Warriors.
11:07Kyle Anderson, 90 year for the Warriors.
11:09Caleb Martin, eight and a half a year from the Sixers.
11:12Somehow only eight and a half.
11:13Somehow only eight and a half years.
11:14Half of it will be topping or whatever.
11:16Not whatever.
11:19That's a heist, but yeah.
11:21Right.
11:22So like looking at those two sides, like what, what side do you think Houser is ultimately going to end up on the high side of that?
11:30Like that group in the top four or more around like taxpayer or just regular mid-level and below just based on how this is going to play out.
11:39If he, if, if assuming he's not going to sign that extension of the Celtics.
11:44He's better than a lot of those, those players.
11:46Although I don't know if the perception of him is, is as good name recognition, whatever.
11:51Like he was what?
11:52Seventh.
11:53I was looking at it yesterday.
11:54I think he was seventh in the league and cumulative plus minus, even though he played 22 minutes a game, like the Celtics killed it with him on the court last year.
12:01And things like EPM stats, like EPM that are like heavily on off base.
12:05They think that he's very, very good.
12:08And then there's some, there's like the kind of eye test stuff where some people look at him and go, oh, he doesn't have the fastest feet.
12:13He doesn't have this and that he's, you know, he's a goofy white guy.
12:16Like, I don't know.
12:18He's damn good player.
12:19He's turned himself into a really good player.
12:22And so I, I would expect him to make, you know, into the teams per year.
12:28I know that that sounds like a lot of money, but that's like mid-level, like you said, you know, around the mid-level, there aren't a ton of good teams next year that have a lot of spending power, but he's also one of those players who in that range.
12:37And at his age, I think a lot of teams could look at, and they're, we're, we're trying to say like, well, we have this young player, these group of young players that we want to develop and they need spacing around them.
12:47We need to build a team that makes sense around them.
12:49We want to get the right kind of role player shooting and the, you know, the things that help you sort of elevate that type of player and properly evaluate them in a setting that makes sense.
12:58So I think there would be a lot of teams that would be interested in him.
13:00He's not going to go for $35 million a year, or if he does, like God bless him for having the greatest next year.
13:05We can imagine in the Celtics winning the title again.
13:07Otherwise, you know, if he wants to play so well that somebody pays him $35 million next year.
13:12Great.
13:13But you figure, yeah, teens and teens for the Celtics means $120 million in salary and luxury tax.
13:23And is anybody, are they honestly going to pay $120 million to retain Sam Hauser when they just drafted as close to a like for like replacement for him as you could imagine.
13:31So the fact that Brad Stevens has signed now double a double digit number of extensions with Jason's extension on the board as well.
13:40It wouldn't, I can't like rule out that they'll extend them.
13:43It would be nice if they do.
13:44It would be great.
13:45It's not my money.
13:46All those reasons.
13:48But like at some point the cuts are coming and getting one more year of mine at this rate and then replacing him with the guy that you just drafted 30.
13:56Can anybody really complain if that's what they do, you know, with, with what the team has delivered already.
14:00And you look at teams like, you know, like Denver letting their starting shooting guard walk for, for that kind of money.
14:07Are the Celtics going to get ripped for letting their eighth man in their rotation walk for that kind of money?
14:11I don't think so.
14:13So I'd love to have them back in the longterm, but, you know, looking to next year, he's a super valuable part of the team.
14:19And yeah, I think that there are a lot of teams out there who'd be interested in him.
14:24Yeah.
14:25I mean, for, for a seller's standpoint for beyond next season, the extension comes.
14:33Possibilities come in twofold in my mind.
14:35It's like, one, do you get him at a really team friendly number?
14:41If he's willing to take it, I'll like Peyton Pritchard.
14:45Like you're obviously not going to for that cheap, but like closer to, you know, 10, 11 million dollars a year, just because he wants to lock that up.
14:51And then knowing that, Hey, that's just going to be a good contract.
14:54No matter what you want to do with it, or B maybe someone else with making a lot more money has to go out the door.
15:00And that makes it much more feasible to keep Sam Hauser at a, you know, at that type of rate since it just bumps him up the pecking order of the team.
15:11Now that's, those are again, decisions that aren't going to clearly aren't going to be made anytime soon.
15:18But as Brad Stevens hands out these extensions left and right, he's certainly, I think, trying to give himself in the front office, that type of option.
15:27When, if, and when, you know, they're going to have to start scraping away from this quarter in the, you know, the summer of 2025.
15:35Yeah. If he wants to sign a super team friendly thing, then any team should do that.
15:39That's why we call them team friendly.
15:40Like, yeah, if you, if they can get them on that deal and that's what I mean by like, I can't rule out that he will sign an extension just because they've signed so many extensions.
15:47And maybe he loves it here.
15:48I don't have inside information on this.
15:50It's just like, if you, if they sign up for $10 million, they have a $300 million luxury tax and they still need to fill four more spots at $2.5 million a pop.
16:00Like, right.
16:01Even if you get some second round picks and stuff in there, like you're talking about money that stacks up really quickly.
16:05And so, yeah, like you said, if you're, if the thinking is, we don't want to go too far down this path, but like necessarily like picking players and teams and all that.
16:14But if the idea is like, yeah, they're going to have to trade through anyway to cut costs.
16:18And they would, you know, they're going to, they're thinking that they would elevate Hauser to a bigger starting role.
16:22And that $10 million is fine in that type of, you know, type of future path or something like that.
16:27Then you can talk about that even a little bit more.
16:31It's hard to even sign him with the thought of like trading him because you have to take money back.
16:35And if the whole point is like, you just can't add any more money because it costs so much.
16:39Again, without knowing who the ownership group is, that's also a difficult decision to make.
16:42Like, can the ownership group now knowing that they're going to sell the team commit to signing a guy who would mean a hundred million dollars additional luxury tax next year?
16:50Like, I don't know, maybe, maybe they just do it.
16:53And that's the next, next guy's problem.
16:55So there's a lot of stuff in there that like, we just don't, don't have anyone knowing.
16:58And I'm not ruling out that they, that they would sign it.
17:00But I think that he's proven himself to be a quite valuable player in the league and that he should get signed for quite a bit of money.
17:07And whether that the Celtics can afford that or not, or can even afford to sign and trade them and take back, you know, matching salary from another team.
17:13Or obviously you could trade him into cap.
17:15So it's like, there's a whole lot of ways that it could play out down the line and we can't foresee all of them.
17:20But it's, I mean, it's all kind of quiet now, right?
17:23It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of, a lot of noise out there about something coming.
17:26And there wasn't for the Drew extension either.
17:28It seemed like it had gotten almost oddly quiet and then it popped up and it was like, oh, it's done.
17:32So it could happen right now while we're, while we're talking.
17:35I don't know.
17:36But I think that he's just played himself into an amount of money.
17:39That's like hard to, hard to expect the team to pay, even if I would like the team to pay it.
17:45And, and like I said, I mean, they literally just drafted another guy who's like plays the same position and not in the exact same way we've seen in summer league that he plays that Sharon plays a little bit different than, than how he does, but like broadly similar player of like, this is a wing primarily shooter, not a great defender, but like a stout defender who's looks pretty strong.
18:03So you can't just like run them over and take advantage of them and stuff like that on the defensive end.
18:07And like, it's a very similar player, right?
18:08Like anybody can look at that and be like, ah, maybe they just dropped his replacement.
18:10Right.
18:11I mean, that's kind of, kind of what happened.
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19:43And I don't know, like with with Hauser, though, in his camp, like.
19:49I don't think necessarily when we go through these deals and just look how this offseason has.
19:55What it's been like for random free and it's around the league and how many teams are just not using their like full mid-level period.
20:05Like it's not teams and the way that teams are dealing with the luxury tax, luxury taxes increase next year.
20:11All these aprons and hard caps and all that stuff.
20:13Yeah. I mean, there's not you could look at it and be like, we don't think there's going to be a ton of money out there.
20:18Right.
20:19So it is it's like whether with that said, like, we obviously don't know.
20:26How exactly what this looks like, how.
20:30Team friendly, that's all that you're really looking for, for a contract for him here.
20:35But it is where and when, where I would think that how this summer has played out certainly did not necessarily help Hauser's camp from a leverage standpoint in terms of being able to point to other deals, be like, OK, this is we know this is going to be out there next summer.
20:50It's more of a you have to between the lack of teams that have cap room for next summer at this point and the navigating the aprons and how these teams are looking to operate like he obviously can get some good deal somewhere.
21:02But it may not be what he dreamed of after, you know, standing, seeing whatever Emmanuel quickly get thirty five million dollars a year before free agency start.
21:12Well, two years ago, he'd be looking at Duncan Robinson and saying, like, oh, I can get Duncan Robinson money, like my type of player.
21:17Now you might be looking at Buddy Heald to me like, oh, am I actually going to get Buddy Heald money?
21:21I mean, I think Hauser has an advantage on both of those players or should in should across the league have an advantage of both those players that he's a better defender and that he you can play him more.
21:30And like these guys who just held up in the playoffs on a championship team in the finals.
21:34Right.
21:36You look at those players versus some of the other guys that you're comparing him to.
21:39And Duncan Robinson has had big moments in the playoffs, too.
21:41Like, I'm not diminishing that those players are also good players.
21:43But, yeah, the difference between a couple of years ago versus now where the new CBA is kicked in and you have all these different restrictions, even if it ends up playing out next year where there is a little bit looser with some money in that kind of mid range pricing.
21:56Right now, it's just very hard to predict that this is just an unknown factor.
21:59So if he's happy here and wants to lock in the money and the Celtics are comfortable with the amount of money that that would mean in luxury taxes or that they would have to cut in other places or whatever it might be.
22:07Again, like I'm not saying that it's not going to happen.
22:09I'd be surprised.
22:10I just as a Celtics fan, there have been times in the past where you would be disappointed or kind of almost angry as a fan of like, I can't believe they didn't get this done.
22:18How do they not work it out right now?
22:20It's like coming off a title with the amount of money that they have committed with all the resources they put in and an ownership change and all that kind of stuff.
22:26It's I just my point is more like it is completely understandable if they just go into the season and like, listen, we can't make this commitment right now.
22:35We understand that it's a risk because he's going to be an unrestricted free agent.
22:38We'll have his bird rights.
22:39We'll play it out next year.
22:40We did just draft protection at the same position.
22:43So, you know, we'll play it out there.
22:46So I mean, you can't you couldn't rip them for doing that.
22:49No, of course not.
22:50I think that's my assumption.
22:52That's how it ends up.
22:55But it is.
22:56It's like, but looking at I mean, you brought up Duncan Robinson is fascinating to see.
22:59This is like a career arc like that.
23:01And like you said, like he's a hazard, a far better defender than Duncan Robinson.
23:05But that, you know, Duncan hit, you know, he had that, you know, those first at second and third year were just amazing years for him in the league.
23:13And then he has, I think, just been, you know, he was twenty six, twenty seven when he signed that deal.
23:20And it's been, you know, on a downward slope.
23:23I guess he had a bounce back here this past year, but certainly went from a guy that was like one of the most feared shooters in the league to being like, oh, can we even, you know, can we play this guy?
23:32You know, or is he coming off the bench for us on, you know, when they run last year?
23:36That's the advantage for Hauser, right?
23:38The advantage for Hauser is that because he's a better defender, his threshold for how cold he can go from shooting and still be playable is just higher than like Robinson's is where it's like you're never going to nobody's ever going to leave Duncan Robinson alone.
23:50He will always provide spacing and he will always provide shooting.
23:53But in the times when he's not shooting well, he doesn't do enough other things.
23:58And he's added things to his game, like cutting and moving and stuff like that, that we've seen Hauser develop.
24:02Well, like, I think they're broad again, broadly similar players, right?
24:05Like, this isn't a surprise or to be to be using him as a comparison.
24:08But we've seen from Hauser, especially, I think, in the playoffs, it's like he went through cold streaks, cold streaks, cold stretches this year in the playoffs.
24:17And he never felt totally unplayable because he was still out there defending well enough.
24:22Like, I mean, we saw like he would get switched on to Luka Doncic and you weren't like freaking out about it.
24:25And they weren't having to like scramble, send crazy, you know, doubles and traps in him or anything.
24:29Because it was like, yeah, you know, it's not ideal, but but it's totally fine.
24:33And then with the spacing of you, that's what my point of just like, he fits in very easily on a wide range of teams.
24:39Like what a team that's totally tanking want to go out and pay him $15 million.
24:43Probably not.
24:44Although with the salary floor, I mean, God knows what maybe.
24:47But anybody from who's like a team that has young developmental players, right?
24:51The Pistons went out and added a bunch of shooting this year.
24:53If he was on the free agent market, he would have been a target for them because they're saying we need to give Cade Cunningham spacing so we can evaluate him.
25:00A team like the Warriors, who got buddy healed after losing Klay Thompson, who's trying to be more competitive.
25:06The Celtics themselves, the 76ers, like a lot of different teams at different times in their cycles could be interested in him.
25:11But like you said, new CBA this year, money was a little tight in some ways.
25:16In other ways, you know, not so much if you're a manual quickly, but it's just unpredictable now because we're only so early in this CBA.
25:25And some of the components of it haven't even really kicked in yet.
25:28But if you're his agent, if you're him and the team comes to you and says, here's four years, $40 million.
25:33Last year was a team option.
25:34Do you want to take this right?
25:35Like he might.
25:37But he could also look at and be like, no, I think I can just get more money the next year.
25:40Look at what Duncan Robinson got.
25:41And that was a couple of years ago.
25:42And we're getting all this new TV money.
25:44What do you mean?
25:45I can't get more than that.
25:46So it's hard to say, but very good player.
25:49And I would expect a very good year from him this year.
25:52Again, I don't know why you wouldn't.
25:54Right.
25:55He's really good.
25:56You want to guess what he shot in the Patriots series?
25:59Like 0%?
26:01Two of 16.
26:02Really rough.
26:03I mean, and then 14 from three.
26:05And then and then Richard and in the next round makes misses everything other than a
26:09half for the heaps.
26:10And both of them were fine, though.
26:12Like, that's my point.
26:13I know.
26:14But they were.
26:15They're very good players who you can just keep out there and you don't have to, like,
26:18freak out and, like, drop them out of the rotation entirely.
26:20When those things.
26:21To your point, you like.
26:22Hauser is one of 14 from three in the Patriots series.
26:24He was still 38% from three of the playoffs.
26:27Like, that's incredible for a, you know, for a 20 game stretch to have.
26:33Yeah.
26:34And I know it was about that.
26:35Well, I know it was a sweep.
26:36It was relatively close.
26:37Like, I don't know what his plus minus was in the Pacers series, but like, I don't mean
26:41that bad.
26:42I just don't think there was any time when those guys because they can do more things
26:47than just shoot, even though even if that is their primary skill, that just reaching
26:52that baseline of like, you are a good enough defender where even if you aren't shooting
26:56well, you can still be on the floor in late playoff series is a really high floor for
27:01defense, you know, for defensive level for the wings.
27:04And like, he has become a legitimately fine average wing NBA defender better than a lot
27:10of guys who have much, you know, older guys who have much larger reputations as defenders
27:15like Hauser is better than a lot of guys who when you hear their names, you're like, oh,
27:18he's a good defender.
27:19Like, I don't know.
27:20He's actually 34 years old and hasn't been a great defender for for six years.
27:23Maybe he was at one point in his career like Hauser is better than a lot of those guys
27:27and he has a flamethrower like right and he's 68 or 67 whatever is it so I don't know.
27:35This is where we are right.
27:36We're at the point of the offseason where it's like it's Sam Hauser talk for 15 minutes
27:39because like this their NBA champs and the summer league is the summer league and you
27:43know, they've signed up all their other business so so definitively and early like you said
27:48it was all done early like you almost what do you have to talk about like, oh, somebody
27:51knew somebody's new coming in for ownership and we don't know who they are and how much
27:55you pay Sam Hauser right like like I said, these are the important issues right now.
27:59This is right now.
28:00This is these are good problems to have this is your biggest problem.
28:02These are good problems to have these are the best things in our lives.
28:05Yeah, we're good.
28:06This is we have we've had too many crazy summers, right?
28:10We've had too many trades in August signing trades seasons blowing up and back and forth
28:18over the last five, 10 years.
28:20I think we're okay now.
28:22I think we're okay.
28:23I don't think I don't think anything big is coming.
28:27Brad's next next summer.
28:28We'll see.
28:29But this summer, I think it in the Lowery marketing business.
28:32You don't think it's just gonna throw something out and throw something.
28:35Just keep all your toes in August.
28:37I know you like what you wanted to get your holiday last summer.
28:40So for Zeng is available.
28:42That's right.
28:43So if they hadn't worked out the extension and sign for the extension, whatever and all
28:51of the sadness of the who had to go out on the last minute.
28:53But that's what that was.
28:54That's the rumor, right?
28:55Who's going to Utah?
28:56Yes.
28:57I can confirm.
28:58Yeah, that was a that was very much out there.
29:01All right.
29:02So enough Sam Hauser.
29:04We haven't talked just general NBA.
29:08Okay, keep it to the east.
29:11Unless you want to talk about how much Russell Westbrook signing for Nuggets kind of sinks
29:15there.
29:16Then further down in the contending rankings, but we can get that.
29:18I don't think it puts them back into the top tier.
29:20He's a former MVP.
29:22Think about how many more MVPs they have than the Celtics.
29:25Well, here's my question, though.
29:27Is that going to be the Celtics in like three years of like, those are the moves that this
29:31team is going to.
29:32I mean, yeah, like that's except it's going to be hopefully Gary Trent Jr.
29:36And Korean Prince and not Russell Westbrook.
29:39But I guess but from but for now for the we know where the Celtics, I think we both share
29:46the same opinion of where they stand versus the pack this season.
29:49For the long term now, out of all these, particularly what we'll focus more in the
29:54east, I think because the West is pretty clear with the Thunder being the clear cut, you
29:58know, best long term contender out there.
30:00But who who do you think is set up the best to to be the main challenger down the line
30:08two years from now, potentially even now, if obviously if injuries start hitting this
30:13the Celtics roster based on what they've done.
30:16Yeah.
30:17In the immediate, I would say the 76ers from a particular from a playoff perspective, we'll
30:24see like we all know the caveats there.
30:28It's if Embiid is healthy, he's never healthy.
30:31So but what can you say?
30:33Like you can't say that he definitely won't be healthy.
30:35And that Paul George definitely won't be healthy when it comes to playoffs.
30:38Their their team, if it's fully healthy, seems in part because they're just like they have
30:44teams that are different than the Celtics seem to be the biggest risk.
30:47Now, they probably get a couple of years out of that team before some of their guys get
30:50older and some of the costs get exorbitant for them as well.
30:53You figure they have maybe another year or two in their window than the Celtics do so
30:57that, you know, you would say them first.
30:59I think most people at this point are jumping on the Knicks.
31:01My feeling about the Knicks, and I don't know if you have if you have similar feelings on
31:04this or not, is that the Knicks are basically a poor man's version of Celtics, like they're
31:07building a team that's got this kind of like winged up in there.
31:10But like if you do the exact same thing as the team that's better than you, but they
31:14do it better than you, it doesn't give you necessarily a matchup that you can exploit
31:18in a way that helps you.
31:19Whereas like Embiid, you can imagine a healthy Embiid exploiting the Celtics having
31:25Porzingis and his health issues and that he's not particularly like the type of defender
31:28who's normally worked against them.
31:29And Al Horford's getting going to be another year older with the with the Knicks.
31:34You're just sort of like, oh, yeah, you're following the Celtics blueprint to the best
31:37you can.
31:38But like at every position other than point guard, you're not as good.
31:42So like, what's the benefit there?
31:44I mean, those are the guys at the top, right?
31:45Like, do you jump anybody else into that?
31:48Does Gary Trent and Giannis and Dame and all that put put the bucks up there with them
31:53as well, you think?
31:54Or where are you on the top guys in these for, let's say, two years?
31:59Yeah, I mean.
32:01The Sixers, I'm with you from a pure like talent standpoint, that makes the most sense
32:09in terms of how they're built.
32:12And I like some of the role pieces they're putting around George now.
32:17The injuries of them, I still think like are as high as anyone.
32:22Like, what are the odds that team is going to stay healthy for four rounds?
32:25The answer is unequivocally very low based on the track record of George and Bede.
32:32I do think, though, like the Bucks being able to add, you know, not above replacement level
32:42players for like with Prince and Trent Jr.
32:45And I know Milton just went under ankle surgery.
32:48So I guess the situation where it's like if double ankle surgery, like that's that's not
32:54great.
32:55So I don't know.
32:57It's like for all the injury questions that like Porzingis has.
33:02And it's like the Bucks and the Sixers have that same amount, if not more.
33:08And then, like you said, the Knicks, I'm with you in terms of being like that.
33:10That's a fun team.
33:11That's going to I think it's a team that's going to win a lot of regular season games.
33:14But when push comes to shove, if if everyone's, you know, man for man with this others right
33:20now, like you still love the Celtics for at least next year, maybe longer than that.
33:25So I think there's a thing that's happening right now.
33:27And I do this as well, where because Porzingis is already hurt, people are comparing full
33:32rosters of other teams to the Celtics without Porzingis.
33:36And they're saying, well, that team could challenge them.
33:38And it's like, yeah, well, if 38 year old Al Horford is their starting center and the
33:43backup is Luke Cornett, then there are teams that are more well positioned to challenge
33:48the Celtics.
33:49If their starting center is Chris Upsworth Zingas and their backup center is Al Horford.
33:53Like, we just saw how good of a team that is.
33:55Right.
33:56Like these other teams, I don't think have that ceiling in them.
34:01Now, will the Celtics arrive in the playoffs with that team?
34:04And we can't say that.
34:05But like to your point, all those other teams have injury risks and injury questions as
34:09well.
34:10OGN and OB has a lot of injuries.
34:11Giannis has had a lot of injuries recently.
34:13Right.
34:14And Lillard is older.
34:16As old as Al Horford or I don't know about.
34:18Right.
34:19Middleton's got his two ankle surgeries.
34:21Jalen Brunson hasn't had injuries to this point, but he's the size and the age where
34:25you at least have questions about how his body will hold up playing the volume, you
34:29know, the minutes that he has under tibs and all that, let alone Embiid and Paul George.
34:34So I think there's all of that stuff about injuries and about health.
34:37And like, you just can't predict all that.
34:39But I don't think that any of those teams can can compare with that.
34:41So I want to actually ask you something, something that I kind of posed on Twitter
34:45is like my ruminations about the Eastern Conference.
34:47If you take the Celtics and don't rank the players in total, rank the five player, like
34:52take their best lineup.
34:54And I think you should do this with Porzingis.
34:56But even if you want to do with Horford, you can as a center and think about them on
35:00offense and defense, like five players on offense, five players on defense in their
35:05best lineup.
35:06So.
35:07White holiday, Jalen, Jason and KP.
35:12Is there any team that has a better, worst defender or better, worst offensive player
35:20than the Celtics anywhere in the league?
35:24And I come up with a couple like babies, but in the vast majority of cases, not only do
35:30I think even on good teams, do I not only do I think that the Celtics have the best
35:35worst player.
35:36I think other teams have two worst players on both ends of the court than the Celtics
35:41in their best configuration do.
35:42And when you get to the playoffs, like the Celtics can attack Tyrese Maxey.
35:46Right?
35:47Like defensively, I think it's Damian Lillard.
35:50The Celtics can leave alone Mitchell Robinson, right?
35:53Like on offense or defense.
35:55So can you think like, are there teams out there that you're like, boy, you know, that
35:58team is has fewer weaknesses on either end of the ball than the Celtics do.
36:03And I, I don't really come up with anybody.
36:07I can throw out some of the ones and you can tell me if you think that they're better or
36:11not.
36:12The ones that I can sort of come up with, because I know it's a hard thing to think
36:14through the whole league.
36:15But like, now that the Bucks have signed Gary Trent, if Chris Middleton is healthy, like
36:19giving everybody magical health, is the Bucks worst offensive player better than the Celtics
36:25worst offensive player who I guess is either Al or Drew or Derek.
36:31I don't even know who it is.
36:32It's Al.
36:33It depends on the night.
36:34And like, it depends on the series.
36:35Like that, that Gwen from series to series in the playoffs.
36:40And the answer is like, no, like I don't like based on like, right.
36:47It's like the is the Pacers worst offensive player better than the Celtics worst offensive
36:53player.
36:55Like they have see Occam and Miles Turner and Halliburton is amazing.
36:59And but like, you get to a fifth guy and you're like, I don't think so.
37:03Right.
37:04Is the what's what's okay.
37:05See, starting five.
37:06That's the one that Oklahoma City Thunders worst defensive player better than the Celtics
37:13worst defensive player.
37:14It's probably Jalen Williams.
37:16Is Jalen Williams a better, a better defender than I don't know.
37:23Like it.
37:24Christophers, I guess was really good on defense last year.
37:26They're obviously very different players.
37:27But like you just go across the whole league and you say, okay, so the Celtics have the
37:31fifth best player, whatever, whatever argument you want to have about Jason Tatum.
37:34They have the 18th best player.
37:36If you want to be negative about Jalen Brown and better than that in the playoffs.
37:40So they've got really good top players.
37:42They just don't have it.
37:44They don't play anybody who has a weakness on either side of the ball.
37:47They have no one-way players and all these other teams that they're going to go up against
37:50all have guys who at one end or the other, you can leave alone on offense or you can
37:55target on defense.
37:56And when you get down to it in a playoff series, Celtics don't have those guys.
38:01Right.
38:02So like how, how bad can you ever feel going in?
38:06You know, there's not, they give you nothing to worry about is I guess my point other than
38:10health and like, what can you do about that?
38:11And that's, and it's honestly, that's like with Porzingis coming off a major surgery
38:16without like how good is, is Cornette and Tillman and Kate are going to be good enough
38:24again in the regular season to keep the Minnesotans off of Al and the Celtics still in position
38:31to be the two or one seed in the East.
38:35And maybe they won't, maybe they won't.
38:36And maybe Joe was a little, won't care.
38:39Be like, we don't need home court.
38:40Like it's nice, but we're not going to, we're not going to run down now.
38:43At home in the playoffs.
38:44What good has it done us over the years?
38:46Like we might as well go on the road for three series in a row.
38:51So yeah, that's the, the question is like, it all worked so well last year for a variety of reasons.
38:58And it's all in place to like, in theory, Tatum and Brown should be better.
39:02And Derek White should be better again this year.
39:03And like Drew should be right.
39:06They won't be like, they will not be a plus 11 team next year.
39:12Yeah.
39:13They have three guys at the Olympics.
39:14They're coming off of it.
39:15Like they're, they have injuries, right.
39:17To start the season.
39:18They might be a 60 win team again, but they are not going to set the record for most 25 point wins.
39:25Most 40 points.
39:26Like they just.
39:28Realistic competition too.
39:30There's no reason for them.
39:31Like they will.
39:32We just seen it so many times through our history.
39:34They will not push that hard.
39:36I don't, I can't imagine.
39:39The question is if they win 58 games and they're the two seed, can they still go through the playoffs?
39:43And like, I think the answer to can is absolutely yes.
39:46You can't say for sure.
39:47For sure.
39:48Well, but like, there's just nobody in the east.
39:51Three years from now, totally different question.
39:54Two years from now, maybe coming into this year and two years from now is a financial question, right?
40:00Coming into this year again, other than the things that we have, that nobody has any control over like health.
40:07While I think the 76ers have had a really good off season.
40:11And I think the Knicks have had, especially now with Brunson signing this big discount.
40:15They gave up a ton for bridges.
40:17Okay.
40:18I understand that.
40:19But like just their team on the floor this year is going to be very good.
40:21The stuff that, like you said, that the Bucks have been able to do with minimums looks really positive for them.
40:27I really like the Pacers.
40:28We, they gave the Pacers were a pain to play.
40:30And if you get first court, first third of the year, Halliburton for an entire year, the Pacers are going to be a nightmare to play.
40:36Like, I think there's a lot of good teams in the east.
40:40I don't think there, there are any complete teams in the east on both sides of the ball, like what the Celtics present right now.
40:48And I guess that's, I just can't get off of that in terms of like my evaluation of where they are, where all these teams are in the off season.
40:55No, I think that's fair.
40:56And I think the one team that I think could, well, I don't know if they can't get there now, but it's the Knicks trade Randall for like, but I don't know now what he gets.
41:08Yeah.
41:09Like if, uh, like what other Villanova player can, is, is Kerry Kittle still around?
41:19Can no, it's a situation where I feel like if they find the perfect fit in place of him or like to be the stretch guy to replace Hartenstein or whatever.
41:32Um, but now that they've traded pretty much all their valuable draft picks, I don't even know if that deal is even out there for them where they can get one more, not like all start, but one more difference maker that compliments what they have in place.
41:43Then it's like, okay, then that could be a rear handful.
41:46Yeah.
41:47But I don't know.
41:48Like, I can't get there because I still look at it and I just go, you are going to put Jalen Brunson on the floor for 42 minutes and the Celtics are going to run him through the ringer on defense for 42 minutes.
42:00Like the amount of pressure that they can put on that one player is extreme.
42:07And yes, it's good that you have Mikhail Bridges who can take some of the scoring load off and you can have these other guys and you can come up with all these systems and you can try to do all these things.
42:14But in the end, they're going to call Jalen Brunson who's six feet tall and has to play with a 30% usage and 40 something minutes a night up into every single in the playoffs.
42:25And at a big game, they're going to call him up and he's going to have to defend over and over and over again.
42:29And we've seen how the Celtics for years, Brad Stevens is coach and Brad Stevens is executive and all of it.
42:35Where guys out in the playoffs, right?
42:37The Celtics have these two like Ironman unbreakable wings who can just carry this load because they don't have to do certain things that these other smaller players or bigger players like Embiid do.
42:47And like the Celtics is just so good.
42:49And we saw it in the finals with Luca, right?
42:52They just are targeting and targeting these guys over and over again until you can try to crack them.
42:57And so even if the Knicks were to add another guy, it's like, is that guy going to be better than who the Celtics are like than his counterpart on the Celtics?
43:04And yes, I understand that Randall would like, he isn't a great fit, but they would like, what would they be adding?
43:09Cause they're going to play, they're going to play the Villanova guys and OG.
43:13And there's one more spot.
43:14Yeah.
43:15Like, right.
43:16Like that doesn't, it's a center.
43:17You're talking about adding a center because you're worried about Mitchell Robinson getting hurt.
43:21And like, it's not going to be who is that going to be that?
43:25I mean, Brooke Lopez, like, right.
43:29Like, I don't know.
43:30That's the type of player.
43:32Like, is there an older player who is also a stretch and can also protect the rim?
43:35Like, no, he's already on a team.
43:37That's also trying to contend miles Turner.
43:39No, they just went to the conference finals.
43:41They're not going to, they're not trading.
43:42And like the guy who you're talking about, I just don't think exists.
43:46And even if he did, like, if you added miles Turner to that team, what I suddenly be like, oh boy, now the Knicks are going to win.
43:51I would just be like, no, I think the breaking point for them is that they have a small point guard in the Celtics are like built so well to destroy that guy that I just can't.
44:00Like I said, I feel like they're just the poor man's version of what the Celtics are doing.
44:04And the port, the reason that they're the poor man's version is because they have these certain things you can exploit versus Giannis or Embiid.
44:11We were just like, maybe on their best night, you just can't deal with those guys.
44:15And maybe they have two weeks where you just can't deal with that guy for two weeks.
44:18And like, they are not built the same way as the Celtics.
44:21They have these things that can be different.
44:23And the Celtics have had great success against those teams in the past.
44:27So even then, you can't like freak out about it.
44:29But you're just saying like, do I think that I think the Knicks could have a better record than the 76ers in the regular season because the 76ers will try to get rest for George and Embiid.
44:38But like when it comes to when it comes to the playoffs, if you're asking me which of those teams I'd be more worried about in a playoff series, it would still be the 76.
44:44It's just because of that, like, differentiating factor that I don't think the Knicks have.
44:48And playoff P.
44:50Sure.
44:51I mean, he's a really good player.
44:53Like, I can't knock it right.
44:54I don't know.
44:56Great.
44:57No, but like that in that contract may turn into a disaster, right?
45:00It's possible.
45:01But under their circumstances, like, I don't know what else they could have done better than what they did.
45:06The dream scenario for Murray.
45:07It's just what else are they going to do?
45:09What else is going to like if?
45:10Yeah, no.
45:11What happened?
45:12Like, you can look at the different signings that they made and the different potential weaknesses on the team and be like, I don't know if I want to be playing for paying Paul George that amount of money that far into the future.
45:21Okay.
45:22What was your alternative?
45:23What is the better thing that's out there?
45:24Brandon Ingram.
45:25Right.
45:26Like you said, you're going to trade for Jeremy Grant and have five more years of Jeremy Grant making $28 million.
45:30Or would you rather I pull George while I'm beat is 30 years old.
45:33Right.
45:34Like, it's no doubt about it.
45:35They had a great offseason.
45:36It's just that the Celtics are a really, really good team.
45:39And it's the bar to get better than them is so high, at least the bar of what we saw from them last year.
45:44Right.
45:45Like one of the 10 best teams in NBA history.
45:49I don't know.
45:50It's really hard to get over that bar for all these other all these other franchises right now.
45:54So they're just going to wait.
45:55They're looking out, like you said, two, three years in the future and saying when the when the bill comes due and the CBA starts to bite pieces off the Celtics, then who's in the best position to be there.
46:05That's when you start to talk about is that, you know, the Knicks.
46:08Okay.
46:09The 76ers.
46:10Okay.
46:11It's probably the Thunder or, you know, whoever's coming up with the next the next super team a year from now.
46:19What's that?
46:20All right.
46:21Let's drive a lightning round.
46:23Summer League hot takes Celtics or bleak wide.
46:27But, uh, who, who's, who's playing the most minutes on the Celtics Summer League team in this year outside.
46:35Obviously, Nimi is an obvious one, but who actually might play a random back to back nights when Alan Porzingis and other guys are out.
46:46Oh, so it has to be in Boston.
46:47Can't be in Maine.
46:51I mean, Sherman's going to play, right?
46:53He's going to play some.
46:55The depth, the wing depth is so deep and this and the Celtics when you like the Jays play so much when they're healthy, but it's been it's hard to break into that rotation.
47:03Like we said, Hauser is really good.
47:06I think he will play some amount in maybe if they sign Hauser to an extension.
47:11You would, you would say that would be less than that.
47:12You would play less, but I don't, I don't know how much Missoula is really like planning out the succession at that position and stuff like that.
47:18Um, Springer played one game, played well.
47:24The defensive stuff that he brings is nice.
47:27They have to make decisions on him.
47:29You could see him playing some amount.
47:31You know, all these guys are like the Celtics.
47:33Nobody's breaking into the Celtics top nine.
47:36Uh, so unless guys get hurt and if the guys get hurt, then whoever is at their position will get an opportunity to play.
47:41Um, Anton Watson center when sure.
47:45I don't work for it and probably not, but I wouldn't have thought that that Kato was going to get any run last year and then he got true.
47:51Right.
47:52Right.
47:53And he got his moments.
47:54Uh, and now, now he's yet another guy who would be in front of Anton Watson to play.
47:57Is Watson even actually a center?
47:59Like, I don't even know.
48:01He's more of like, uh, positionally sort of, uh, I named, we already said it, but when Kyle Anderson sort of positionally like that, where he's like younger.
48:11Yeah.
48:12Like he's a lot different to play than grant, but like, like he's six nine ish.
48:18He's bigger than, than grand.
48:19That's why I'm like Kyle Anderson.
48:20Like he's, he feels like he has a little bit more on ball juice than you would think for a center.
48:24Not like he's very energetic and it seems like a smart player, like a younger.
48:29Yeah.
48:30Six, eight.
48:31Yeah.
48:32Uh, he's not Kyle Anderson.
48:33So specific of a player because like, you're comparing an energetic guy to a slow-mo.
48:37Right.
48:38But like, I'm talking like the younger player and how he got, how he made plays on defense.
48:42He was a defensive playmaker without being a, a crazy long-armed, uh, you know, um, that like Jordan Walsh looking, looking type of player, but still a defensive playmaker or, uh, I don't even, I don't know.
48:55Nick Batum kind of thing.
48:57Right.
48:58Nick Batum early that, that type of players, what he kind of feels more like is his future as like a defender, but he's not going to play for this team either way.
49:04So I don't know.
49:06None of these guys are breaking.
49:09Like I said, breaking into the rotation on a, if it's not a back-to-back with injuries, um, that doesn't mean that they're not good players.
49:15It's just a very difficult rotation to break into.
49:18It's not the rough summer for Jordan Walsh.
49:22Everyone else's.
49:23Yeah.
49:24That's unfortunate.
49:25Yeah.
49:26He's got guaranteed money for at least one more year.
49:28So he can get, he'll certainly get the reps in Maine and see where he's at next summer.
49:33Um, right.
49:35Like it sucks.
49:36Summer league is one of those things where like it's two games, it's three games.
49:39Like, yeah.
49:40And it's a sample size is small.
49:42So tiny, but it's all we got.
49:44So it's by the time you got competition at your position, like that's, uh, yeah, you're not, you're, it's tough when the outplay in the number two pick.
49:56Not so much.
49:57Um, all right.
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50:32Uh, we're going to be back next week with summer league wrap up and then Ryan, just one more.
50:40We had no Olympic talk today, but we're, we're, we're closing it on the start of the Olympics here.
50:45It's going to be a great summer.
50:47Celtics basketball too.
50:48Yeah.
50:49They're going to win.
50:50They're going to hang the summer league banner and, um, we don't hang the Celtics do not hang in season tournament banners, but we are hanging that summer league banner.
50:57If we get the summer league banner and incorporate gold medals into ring night, if, uh, there will be, I mean, if not for the politics around it, there could, there's a, there would be a potential for a really wonderful Celtics picture with like the Larry
51:14O'Brien trophy Jalen with the two MVP and the three guys with the gold medals.
51:20I don't think it's going to happen just because of the, all the stuff about not making, not being on the Olympic team, but that would be quite the picture would be the four of them together with all the, all the silverware goldware, whatever it would be.
51:32Um, but I just, I feel like maybe it's not going to happen now.
51:37They should make it happen regardless.
51:38I hope they bring the medals home though.
51:39They're the team looks really good.
51:41Yeah, it'll be, uh, it'll be fun to watch.
51:43It'll be all over that.
51:44All there.
51:45So your recap and much more.
51:47Awesome.
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