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House of the Dragon | Inside the Episode: Season 2, Episode 5 - HBO
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7/15/2024
Showrunner Ryan Condal, director Clare Kilner, and more reflect on the aftermath of the Battle at Rook’s Rest and the shifting power dynamics on both sides of the war. Watch House of the Dragon S2 Sundays at 9PM on #StreamonMax.
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This episode is very much everybody vying for power but also it's very much about that
00:08
happening through grief.
00:13
Much of episode 5 revolves around how Rhaenys' death is resonating across all of the different
00:18
characters and no one as much as it lands with her husband Corlys.
00:24
This poor guy over the course of these two seasons has slowly had every human connection
00:29
stripped away from him one by one.
00:31
He is sitting in the Hall of Nine but it means nothing to him anymore because she's gone
00:35
and all of this stuff, who cares?
00:37
Steve is an incredible actor.
00:39
He has such deep soul to all of his performances.
00:44
I had no clue that he was going to have this tear, like this silent tear roll down his
00:49
face.
00:50
It was incredibly moving to see it.
00:55
Our largest dragon has been killed.
00:58
Duskendale and Rook's rest are gone.
01:01
I think everybody's reeling, I mean Rhaenyra not the least of which and you hear a lot
01:04
of this backbiting and bickering going on at the table because everybody is under tremendous
01:09
amount of stress.
01:10
They don't know how to react but Rhaenyra finds herself at sea.
01:14
I mean that was her last great female advisor.
01:18
And that's also when Rhaenyra sees this huge power vacuum and knows she's got to do something.
01:25
Queen Rhaenyra wishes to name you Hand.
01:27
Even the death of my wife does not content her.
01:30
She's playing the role of the great politician here.
01:32
The next best thing next to having Daemon back is one of the most respected men in Westeros
01:37
and that's the Sea Snake.
01:38
And she doesn't exploit Rhaenys' death to do it.
01:41
She knows that the man is there looking for purpose, probably looking for a bit of vengeance
01:44
and she probably takes advantage of that in the moment to try to get him back on side.
01:48
The path I walk has never been trod.
01:52
What you cannot do, let others do for you.
01:56
There is more than one way to fight a war.
02:00
I think Mysaria's power increases in Rhaenys' absence because I think Rhaenyra is desperate
02:04
in looking for that sympathetic female voice in her life.
02:08
Mysaria is offering another way which is I understand the will of the people and we can
02:12
manipulate that and play that to your advantage.
02:15
An element of what we're watching is propaganda war, how to win the hearts of the people.
02:20
And that's all learning that she receives from Mysaria.
02:23
I don't think this is something that Rhaenyra had thought of or considered until Mysaria
02:27
brought it to the fore.
02:28
And it's a bit of a modern concept, this idea of the quote-unquote power of the people.
02:33
I have an errand for the Lady Mysaria.
02:35
In real history, smart and sometimes cunning and ruthless medieval sovereigns did use people
02:41
and their will to their advantage.
02:43
Behold!
02:44
The traitor dragon Maelys!
02:47
It is, look, they've killed a dragon.
02:50
Mark my words, this is a black omen.
02:52
I think this is very, this is very cool.
02:55
His expectations are so high, his expectations are for people to honor him and push him up
03:00
on a pedestal.
03:01
If you look like you've won and you carry yourselves like you've won and the public
03:05
don't know what's really happened, then that's what everyone's going to believe.
03:08
But what happens is so different.
03:10
Don't they realize we won the battle?
03:13
Strange victory, if it was won.
03:15
The calculation that he doesn't make is how it will land on the small folk.
03:19
I mean, Maelys is a beloved dragon that probably flew over that city hundreds of times and
03:23
is seen as one of these symbols of the unshakeableness, of the invincibility of the Targaryens.
03:28
I thought the dragons was gods.
03:30
You know, as soon as people can see you can kill dragons, well then anybody can do it.
03:34
And does that mean that these people that we've always thought of as being gods because
03:38
of their ability to ride dragons is actually all a bit of a mirage?
03:44
This is, at best, a terrible omen and at worst, a harbinger of the things to come.
03:53
The King.
03:54
Ser Criston, what befell him?
03:56
His grace fought valiantly.
03:58
And Aemond?
03:59
What was his part in this?
04:01
I could not say.
04:03
The dramatic tension that looms over the episode is what is the state of Aegon and did he survive
04:09
the end of episode four?
04:12
And will he survive through the end of this episode?
04:14
And I think that's what's kind of looming over all these characters, that big question,
04:18
to show the cost of letting your sovereign get on his dragon and ride into battle.
04:23
Someone will have to rule in his stead.
04:25
It's everything he ever wanted.
04:26
With great power comes great responsibility and he's got to be seen as someone who knows
04:30
how to wield it.
04:31
I agree your grace, it must be Prince Aemond.
04:34
I mean, this is a massive power shift all of a sudden at the Green Council.
04:37
I was dramatized by the meeting where Aemond takes power in this very kind of banal way
04:41
where he just stands up from the foot of the table, takes his ball, moves over to the King's
04:45
seat and puts it down and sits and then starts doling out orders while everybody, including
04:50
Alicent, especially Alicent, are reeling from the decision.
04:53
And you feel the shift in that way and how different the Red Keep is going to be with
04:57
Aemond in charge versus the way it was with Aegon.
05:00
Someone cut down the fucking rat catchers.
05:03
A term too simple, Lord Bracken.
05:05
Renounce the false King Aegon as a usurper and bend the knee to me or your house burns.
05:14
Daemon approaches life always trying to hammer that square peg into the round hole and he's
05:19
just trying to force his will upon this place.
05:23
I love the image of him in his full dragon battle armor sitting on the rock and not understanding
05:28
what's happened and saying...
05:30
I did not think they would be so eager to die.
05:33
And the Riverlands is just this unwranglable place to him.
05:36
He's brought his values and sort of Targaryen dragon lord values into a place that is rich
05:41
with the old gods and these old ways.
05:43
These people just don't respect the dragon lords the way Daemon is hoping or used to.
05:48
See, I must begin here with a lesson in etiquette.
05:51
On the page I thought, yeah, this is the right territory.
05:54
This is where we should be.
05:56
This is where his head's at.
05:57
It's how mental his kind of state is.
05:59
Is Daemon trying to usurp Rhaenyra?
06:01
It's like unfair that he wasn't given the crown, that he isn't listened to, that he
06:08
doesn't have that power.
06:09
We just don't know what he's going to do or ultimately how he's going to turn.
06:14
And while I don't think that anybody could ever be asked to believe that he would turn
06:17
against Rhaenyra and go to war against her, I think we could all believe that maybe Daemon
06:22
would just go and claim the throne for himself and then see what happens.
06:26
What would you call the husband of the queen?
06:28
Well, the king.
06:29
There it is then.
06:30
Consul.
06:31
That last bit seems unnecessary, don't you think?
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