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00:00It's obvious that everyone has their own threshold to bear pressure.
00:05No two people can be the same.
00:08And they can't be the same in any decision.
00:10Every person has their own point of view.
00:12No, and the pressure is different everywhere.
00:14You were here, you didn't go outside.
00:17The big people were outside, they may not have an idea
00:20about what happened here.
00:23There are a lot of people who have seen what happened here.
00:26But if someone comes to you again and says,
00:31there's nothing like this.
00:33Look, let's talk about politics.
00:36The way of justice was broken with a lot of pressure.
00:39The shuttle service was going on.
00:41It didn't break.
00:42The shuttle service was going on.
00:44Come from Delhi, do a press conference,
00:46say goodbye and go home.
00:48And say that we are leaving politics, we are leaving the party.
00:50If the party was broken with so much pressure,
00:54is it so easy for them to let you come back?
00:56The problem is that there were four premises
00:59on which the whole system was based.
01:01The first premise was that
01:03Imran Khan doesn't want to spend a month in jail.
01:05And it will break.
01:06He will come out after a month.
01:07He will come out.
01:08It didn't happen.
01:09The second premise was that the party will break.
01:12The party told me on 8th February.
01:14The voters told me.
01:15The party may have broken, but the voters didn't.
01:18The voters didn't break.
01:19The party stands on the head of the voters.
01:21The third premise was that
01:22the Arab world hates Imran Khan.
01:24And it will spend a lot of dollars.
01:26The Arab world didn't get any money.
01:29The third premise was that
01:30the West hates Imran Khan.
01:32Our exports will go to 100 billion dollars.
01:34Mr. Gauhar used to say.
01:36He was our minister.
01:39Gauhar Ejaz.
01:40We will call him Barrister Gauhar.
01:41No, Gauhar Ejaz.
01:42It didn't happen.
01:43Now the problem is that
01:45in Pakistan, the truth is that
01:47the PTI has no end game.
01:50The PTI has no end game.
01:52There is no day-to-day game.
01:54The PTI has no end game.
01:56So, Pakistan is trapped.
01:58Now, the problem is...
02:00Where is it trapped?
02:01Let's put it this way.
02:02Controlled politics is going on.
02:04The country is running in a controlled manner.
02:07We are not free.
02:08But we don't understand where it is going in a controlled manner.
02:12Is that fair?
02:14No one understands where it is going.
02:16It is God's boat.
02:17It is moving.
02:18First of all, there is no visible leadership.
02:20We have power and decisions on the other side.
02:24Shabaz Sharif is visible.
02:26Now, if you remember,
02:29when Mohammad Khan Jinejo was made the Prime Minister
02:32and General Zia-ul-Haq was the President,
02:34he said that in the country,
02:35martial law and democracy cannot work together.
02:37Jinejo's principle is still being applied.
02:41Even now, the biggest problem in Pakistan is
02:44that we are in a democracy
02:46and freedom of expression is dead.
02:49What is happening with the Supreme Court judges is in front of you.
02:52So, the primary issue in Pakistan is
02:55that you have to normalize Pakistan.
02:58How do you do that?
02:59That is not happening.
03:00Imran Khan's inclusion...
03:01I say it every day that the establishment is very upset.
03:04Malik was also in your program.
03:05He said that he is very upset.
03:06He was in my program.
03:07Yes, or you were.
03:09You were.
03:10Malik said it.
03:11Someone else also said it.
03:12But they are very upset.
03:14But the question is,
03:15it is a country of 22 crores.
03:16So, we will have to find an alternate solution.
03:19Now, one way is that you have...
03:22But sometimes hope is a strategy.
03:25Hope?
03:26Hope has been going on for two years.
03:27It is based on hope.
03:28The problem is,
03:31what is your model now?
03:32The primary problem is
03:34that the current dispensation
03:36has not been able to give its model
03:38as to how to run it in the long run.
03:40You sent Imran Khan to jail.
03:42In the case of 9th May,
03:43you sent him to jail for 5 years.
03:45Where is Mian Sahab in the current case?
03:46I understood what you said.
03:47People also understood.
03:48By putting Imran Khan aside,
03:51there is no viable way
03:53that anyone can hope
03:55that this country's direction is right.
03:57Leadership plays a big role in this.
03:59Mian Sahab is also a prime minister
04:01for a big party.
04:02What would he be thinking right now?
04:04I think I understand Mian Sahab's thinking.
04:07That's the only thing.
04:08I have always been surprised by Mian Sahab.
04:11Ever since the day
04:12he decided not to hold elections,
04:14because honestly,
04:15when the issue of no confidence arose,
04:17General Bajwa Sahab told us
04:18that we will go and hold elections
04:22and take back the no confidence.
04:24I thought Nawaz Sharif would agree immediately.
04:26Because it was very simple.
04:27We were trapped in incumbency.
04:29It was unpopular.
04:30It was unpopular.
04:32The establishment had also changed its direction.
04:34So I said we will leave.
04:38I said okay,
04:39Nawaz Sharif will win.
04:40There will be opposition.
04:41We will do it.
04:42There is no problem.
04:43When Nawaz Sharif refused to hold elections,
04:46I was shocked.
04:48What did he do?
04:49Even after that,
04:50when 2-3 times Nawaz Sharif came,
04:52till now,
04:53Nawaz Sharif has surprised me
04:54with his politics.
04:55By doing nothing.
04:56By making wrong decisions.
04:57By making wrong decisions.
04:58Whatever it is,
04:59Nawaz Sharif has been in politics for 50 years.
05:01We are old enough
05:03since Nawaz Sharif was the chief minister.
05:06Now,
05:07Nawaz Sharif had the last chance on 8th May.
05:11On 8th February,
05:13if Nawaz Sharif had said,
05:14I have lost the election.
05:16You can make the government if you want to.
05:18It was a saving grace.
05:19It was a saving grace.
05:20Nawaz Sharif did not agree.
05:21Then he made the government.
05:22Now,
05:23the total politics of Nawaz Sharif is that
05:25he has to make Maryam the Prime Minister in the Noon League.
05:28And he has to give his politics to her.
05:29This is the total aim of Nawaz Sharif.
05:31Now,
05:32his total dependence is on the establishment.
05:34He has no total on the people.
05:36Now,
05:37I think that
05:38he is waiting for the establishment
05:40to destroy Imran Khan's politics and everything.
05:45After that,
05:46I will deal with the establishment.
05:47This is the only thing that comes into my mind.
05:49Another one.
05:50Hope is the strategy.
05:51Hope is the strategy.
05:52I don't understand any of Nawaz Sharif's politics.
05:54I understand this only.
05:55I don't understand anything else.
05:57Because otherwise...
05:58But Pakistan's politics is based on this.
05:59Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
06:00Enemy of my enemy is my friend.
06:01And it is based on this.
06:02So,
06:03Pakistan's politics is based on this.
06:05But the problem on the other hand is...
06:07See,
06:08I was talking to someone today.
06:11He was saying that
06:121.5 crore voters are being added in Pakistan.
06:14This means that
06:151.5 crore more young people
06:17of 18 years will be added
06:19in the next 1-2 years.
06:21Now,
06:22these young people
06:23and the average politics of PMLN is 75.
06:26There are no young people around them.
06:29Maryam Nawaz.
06:31Maryam Nawaz is not doing politics of young people.
06:34To be fair,
06:35Nawaz...
06:36She did a great aggressive politics.
06:38She did politics of young people.
06:39So, she did it once.
06:41But,
06:42because she did it according to her own advice,
06:44that I know what to do.
06:46She went there.
06:47She took the easy way
06:48according to her own advice.
06:49So, her politics fell.
06:51Now, she can do whatever she wants every day.
06:53She doesn't have a big story.
06:55So, in Pakistan,
06:56the truth is that
06:57she beat us all up,
06:58put us in jail
06:59and released us.
07:00And
07:01still,
07:02I think
07:03this is what's going to happen.
07:04Yes, but...
07:05I asked you this question.