sant bhindrwala speech

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00:00Okay, that's all I want to hear from you, because if that hand has touched a cow and

00:29I kill this cow and put it there, then as a swami, you know, it is not right for me.

00:33But you are touching my hand, I can assure you that I am going to tell this thing to

00:37people.

00:38They can see that it's been done from the good faith in a Guru Nanak's place.

00:41I am just going to ask.

01:11If I could see her, and I am going to see her, if possible, I am going to tell this

01:14truth.

01:15These things, these people are innocent people, and I got the proof, you have to believe,

01:21because if the police has created this problem to create this thing, then it is injustice.

01:27And they are talking from the Guru Nanak's golden temple, and they deny that.

01:31We need not repeat that thing, we know we are sitting on a holy place.

01:36You know it.

01:37This is a matter of faith.

01:42I am just telling it.

01:44How am I going to, at least I got the first-hand knowledge, you see, and I can go and tell.

02:29Whether she is aware of the fact, isn't she aware of the fact that Guru Granth Sahib

02:36and other religious books were burnt by the police?

02:42That the property of this Taxal was destroyed, 18 people were killed in Mehta.

02:50Doesn't she know all that?

02:51And all the cruelties which have been perpetrated on the Amritdhari Sikhs, isn't she aware of

02:57it?

02:59She must also give the pledge.

03:04And then what action has she or her government taken into these incidents?

03:11If she knows it, then what action has she taken to punish the culprits?

03:16You see, that you should first ask Indira Gandhi.

03:46She says that up till today, no one can prove that I have initiated anything, either with

03:55mouth or by writing or by weapons against anyone.

04:01It is only in answer.

04:03If we have been tortured, my people have been tortured, and they have been prosecuted,

04:10they have been falsely involved in cases, only then I have opened my mouth.

04:15Even if you open mouth, what type of question is that?

04:23She says that if you can prove that even once he has initiated any such action, he will

04:31cut his head in operation.

04:33And one more question now.

04:35Will he condemn those actions by throwing the bombs and stabbing the people and so forth?

04:41Will he condemn those actions because he is not responsible?

04:45That's all he will say.

04:46I just want to know that.

05:10He says that he has already condemned such things.

05:39No, he will only condemn if it is told, it is he's shown that throughout this country,

05:47government officials, ministers, the other responsible people or anyone in the throughout

05:54any Hindu, responsible Hindu has condemned the killing of 206 who have been killed by

06:00the police.

06:01One word if they have uttered in this, not one word has been uttered throughout this

06:07country against these killings and all the cruelties which have been perpetuated upon

06:13the Sikhs in this country.

06:23See first they should admit that Sikhs, injustice has been done to the Sikhs and they have been

06:30unnecessarily prosecuted.

06:32Then I will not condemn.

06:33They should condemn first.

06:34Then we'll condemn also.

06:37Now who did, who is responsible for this killing of 200 people?

06:43The police.

06:44Which police?

06:45Punjabi police?

06:46Including Punjab, as well as Haryana, as well as Sikhs.

06:47Now can you give me the incident when they, how they killed the 200 people, please?

07:13About 2,000 were killed by police in fake encounters.

07:36How?

07:37Fake encounters.

07:38They, simply if he is arrested by the police, he will not be produced in the court, he will

07:44be taken to the, outside the city and he will be shot dead.

07:48Do you have proof of that?

07:49We have proofs.

07:50How do you, what type of proof do you have?

07:52We have reports, we have sent it to the Amnesty International and other agencies also.

07:57No, no.

07:58But is there any way you can give me any proof of that, any photograph or any actual witness

08:04we have?

08:05Then only, because this acquisition is very, very dangerous acquisition.

08:10Because unless, how am I going to know that this, you are telling the truth or he is telling

08:13the truth?

08:14This I do not know.

08:15No, this you are asking for a proof.

08:16The question is, when the police took that chap, arrested him, took him away and shot

08:21him, there was no one present from us or our side or any Sikh present there who can take

08:25a photograph and show that he is actually killing him.

08:27How do you know that he, no, but this I want to know.

08:30How do the police shot him?

08:31You see, judicial probe was ordered into the Maitha Chownd firing where 18 Sikhs were

08:54killed.

08:55But the probe has been completed, but it is not been released to the public, exposed

09:00because the government is being held responsible for that.

09:20The day before yesterday, one Sikh was killed by the police in Gurdaspur district.

09:25How?

09:26I mean, during the demonstration?

09:29No, he was an Amritdhari Sikh, a baptised Sikh.

09:32He was going to his home for some work,

09:35and on his way, he was shot by the police.

09:39Why?

09:40Simply he was...

09:41Without having any provocation or any cause?

09:45Just because he belongs... he is an Amritdhari Sikh.

09:48That is his...

09:50He's been... the police has been investigating or no action has been taken about that?

09:55No action has been taken.

09:59I asked him, what's his name? He said, he's from Pindarawala.

10:02I asked him to stand aside. He said, I don't want to stand aside.

10:05I asked him to stand aside.

10:07He said, tell me my crime.

10:08He said, it's a crime that you're from Pindarawala.

10:11He said, I don't want to stand aside.

10:12I went to the 7th wheel.

10:14I asked him to stand aside. He said, I don't want to stand aside.

10:16I went to the 7th wheel and shot him.

10:18Fifteen days earlier...

10:19Malook Singh...

10:20Another Sikh boy was killed in Saizpur district.

10:23His name is Malook Singh.

10:24That's also in the public demonstration?

10:26No.

10:27In his village, another people informed the police that he belongs to...

10:31He's a close associate of Sant Pindarawala.

10:33Police came and he asked him whether he's a supporter of Pindarawala.

10:36He admitted it.

10:37The police asked him to raise his hands.

10:39That he's not a supporter, they asked him.

10:41He refused.

10:42He said, no, he will not deny that he's a supporter.

10:45Naturally.

10:46So they took him for seven miles outside the village.

10:49And then he was shot.

10:50And they tried to persuade him to say...

10:52Because they wanted to record it that he's not a follower of Pindarawala.

10:55He refused.

10:56He said, no, he's a follower of Pindarawala and he will not raise his hand.

10:59Denying the fact.

11:01But how did you get this report?

11:04From our people.

11:06Sikhs are living through the Punjab.

11:15See, through our own sources, people.

11:18They came and reported this to him.

11:20Alright.

11:21So I got a few of these facts, now it's all recorded.

11:25I'm going to ask also, anyone who can listen to me.

11:30This charge is not real.

11:32Because in a democracy, there's law and order.

11:35Police is to protect the people.

11:37And this is not done in a democratic world where the police can use the...

11:42Without having proper court procedure, etc.

11:46It's not done anywhere.

11:47So I can ask these questions and find out as much as possible.

11:51On 18th October, 1982, when the agitation was going on,

11:55one priest from Darbar Sahib, he was shot at outside the temple.

12:03Again, without having any...

12:05Without any provocation, he was just on his duty.

12:08And after his duty, he was going out to his home.

12:10When he was out, the police was present there.

12:13And he was shot at without showing any reason.

12:16People have seen that?

12:17People have seen that.

12:18It appeared in the press on 18th October, 1982.

12:22The name of the man is Darshan Singh.

12:29Day before yesterday, a serviceman in service,

12:33serving supply, coming on leave.

12:35He was travelling in the bus and he was stopped by the police and said,

12:38look, show us your... we want to search your baggage.

12:42He said, here's my certificate that I'm a serviceman on leave.

12:46And I'm going back to join my unit.

12:48He was dragged down, beaten up by the police,

12:51and he's at the moment in military hospital, Amritsar.

12:55You can go and meet him if you like.

13:09People who were tortured, he's going to narrate to you some of those incidents.

13:16He was held and presented to the judge.

13:19The judge gave him a date.

13:21On the day of the date, he gave an order,

13:24which was followed by the doctor.

13:26After the judge's presentation,

13:28after the order was given,

13:29after the doctor's order was given,

13:31he was held and hanged.

13:34He was drowned in the water.

13:36He was stabbed in the stomach.

13:39His head was cut off.

13:41His stomach was broken.

13:43His legs were cut off.

13:45This is how he was hanged.

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