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Taylor Kyles and Mike Kadlick of Pats Daily break down Davon Godchaux’s contract situation, whether the team should find a middle ground, and whether New England has the personnel to replace him.  ************************************************ Patriots Content Brought to you by....  Prize Picks - PrizePicks.com/CLNS Download the app today and use code CLNS for a first deposit match up to $100!  Gametime - https://gametime.co Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets with Gametime. Download the Gametime app, create an account, and use code CLNS for $20 off your first purchase. Download Gametime today. Last minute tickets. Lowest Price. Guaranteed. Terms apply.  Merch Store - https://shop.clnsmedia.com

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00:00What's going on everyone? Mike Kadlec and Taylor Kyles here for CLNS Media on Patriots Press Pass Patriots Daily Special Edition

00:06where we take a look at Patriots defensive tackle Dupont Godshaw, his apparent hold-in that's been going on in the preseason with him,

00:13his cryptic tweet last night about where his contract stands at, and what the Patriots should do moving forward with him and the defensive

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00:55baseball season. All right, Taylor, let's get into it because like I said, Godshaw, a defensive tackle who

01:01held sort of a hold-in, as what you would call it, down in Foxborough during the offseason program.

01:07Godshaw is headed into the final year of a two-year $20 million extension.

01:12He signed in 2022 after originally signing on a two-year $15 million contract in 2021 when they went on that huge spree.

01:20So kind of looking for another pay bump here.

01:23It's worth noting that he has no guaranteed money,

01:25so he may just be looking for a little bit of a bump in guarantees, what have you.

01:30The Patriots have been a team this offseason that

01:33has rewarded their own and has rewarded their hard workers, guys who they brought in, whether it be

01:39draft picks, whether it be guys who, again,

01:41they signed in that 2021 spree and have done well, like your Borns and your Henrys, and then they've rewarded them with extensions.

01:47Godshaw still waiting on it.

01:49And again, clearly a guy who's looking forward, because not only did he hold in in the offseason program,

01:54but last night took to Twitter when asked about his contract status and tweeted the following.

01:59Hopefully we can get something done that's fair to me and my team before camp starts. I love New England.

02:04I would love to retire here,

02:05but it has to make sense for us. What I do on the football field, in the trenches most of the time, doesn't show

02:10on the stat sheet, but turn on the film and you will see it if you know ball.

02:13I'd love to finish my career here in New England, but it has to make sense to me and my team.

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03:27So again, Godshaw seemingly unhappy with his contract and looking for a pay bond.

03:31So, Taylor, let's get right into it.

03:33What do you make of this drama?

03:36I know you don't like drama, so we won't use the word drama,

03:38but it's kind of a bump in the road for Godshaw and his camp

03:41and him with the Patriots moving on into 2024.

03:44I mean, it makes sense when you play nose tackle,

03:47that is one of the most physical positions in the football.

03:50There's always the chance of injury.

03:51So I'd understand for a guy who's 30 years old

03:54would want some guarantees and to know that he's going to make money

03:57just in case he does get injured.

03:58You'd think the Patriots would take care of him even if something happened.

04:00But this is a business you truly never know.

04:03And like you mentioned, the Patriots are trying to reward the people

04:06who have done well for them

04:07and who they think are foundational pieces for this team.

04:10Now, of course, that's going to open the floodgates.

04:12Stroud may acknowledge that now there's a lot of people who want new deals.

04:16Right. That's it.

04:17And what Devon, what Devon Godshaw has done is very valuable.

04:20He's been one of the best run stopping interior defensive lineman in the NFL

04:25when he got the extension a couple of years back.

04:27Bill Belichick actually did say that he was one of the best

04:31defensive tackles in the league.

04:32So his value is there. He's right.

04:35If you look at stats, they don't really jump out.

04:37Like if you look at specifically run defense, he has tackles and things like that.

04:41But for a nose, it's hard to really quantify that with pure numbers

04:46because there's the fact that sometimes teams won't want to run at you

04:49because they know, hey, if we're going to run inside zone or duo

04:52with no intention of bounce it or anything like that,

04:54we're going to be in trouble

04:55because this guy's going to hold his ground and he's going to make the tackle.

04:59So he's absolutely right.

05:00Not really a position that's easy to quantify.

05:03That said, you can't give everybody more money.

05:06Now, we don't know if he wants an extension necessarily.

05:08He said he wants to retire here.

05:10So you think there is some desire to have a longer contract.

05:14And obviously, again, the guarantees,

05:16maybe they can find some kind of middle ground where that works out.

05:18But we have to look back at the Lawrence guy situation

05:21where the team decided to move on from him.

05:23He was projected to have a robust market.

05:26He's still on the street.

05:27So that felt like especially when they replaced him seemingly with Armand Watts,

05:32who is a bit smaller than Lawrence guy, not quite as stout as a run defender.

05:36Lawrence guy is one of the best run defenders in football.

05:38He's an absolute monster.

05:39But he gave you almost nothing when it came to pass rush,

05:42other than just condensing the pocket.

05:43Now, Armand Watts can get you pressure much more consistently than guy could.

05:47Although there is a bit of a drop off in run defense.

05:50I think he's still fine there.

05:51It's not a weakness or anything, but he's not LG.

05:54Looking at that and maybe what this team might be leaning towards,

05:58like they've been saying they want to have a better pass rush situation,

06:01create more turnovers, all that good stuff.

06:03You look at God, Sean, you say, OK, this is a guy who knows tackles.

06:08Yeah, usually the run first players.

06:09But you have plenty of nose tackles who also contribute as pass rushers.

06:14Devon Dotshot doesn't, even though he does play the majority of downs.

06:17Like if you look at snap counts, he's absolutely a starter.

06:20He's not just a role player, but there's guys on the roster

06:23who I think could slip into that role again.

06:26Dotshot wouldn't be a loss.

06:27He's kind of a monster in the middle.

06:29One of the bigger guys think he's about like three hundred and twenty pounds.

06:32Guys like Daniel Aquale and Jeremiah Farms more like three hundred, three hundred

06:36and ten, not giving you that same stout presence in the middle.

06:40But if you're looking for more pass rush

06:42and you're willing to kind of take a step back on run defense, remember,

06:45this was a pass run defense

06:46that was one of the best run stopping units in the NFL over the past like decade.

06:51I think it was since like 2014.

06:52They had the fewest yards allowed.

06:54That can't always be the metric you go on.

06:57But when you looked at all the metrics, it was pretty clear

06:59they were a fantastic run defense.

07:01If you're willing to go from number one, number two,

07:04it's maybe like 10 or 12, maybe even 15.

07:07In this league, you can get by with a pretty average run defense

07:10as long as you're not getting gashed.

07:12But the interior pass rush outside of Christian Barmore was an issue.

07:15Also, Christian Barmore, a guy who plays plenty of nose tackle in his own right.

07:19So looking at the other guy who I want to cut you off,

07:23they're a guy who plays plenty of nose tackle in his own right.

07:25And like you said, as far as being a pass rusher, like twelve and a half,

07:28twelve and a half sacks for Barmore over the last season, last three seasons,

07:31two and a half for a gotcha.

07:33That's I mean, again, it's one quick and easy step.

07:35But that just shows, you know, the kind of effect

07:37they have in the pass rushing at, excuse me, in terms of the run stock.

07:41No, 100 percent.

07:42So, you know, Christian Barmore at the top of that list.

07:44I think you want him more as a defensive tackle, more than a nose tackle.

07:47But he plays both.

07:49So then you look at what the other options would be.

07:52First one that comes to mind is Daniel Equality was hurt last season.

07:55But he's a guy who I don't think gets enough credit.

07:57People think he's just an interior pass rusher because he's undersized.

08:01I think he's also a good run defender for a guy who is his size.

08:04Now, there were times like against Miami where he is getting pushed around

08:07against double teams.

08:09Not ideal.

08:10But if you get him some one on one matchups,

08:12I think he's a guy who can make tackles for you, who will hold his ground.

08:15He can be stout against double teams.

08:17It's just not really his game.

08:18But again, he also gives you something in the pass rush department.

08:21He's more well rounded.

08:23Then they also have Jeremiah Farms, who I think is really the one

08:26who kind of sets off alarm bells.

08:28If the Patriots and Devon got shot, don't find some kind of middle ground.

08:31He came on kind of towards the end of last season, really flew under the radar

08:36because he had Christian Farmore taking up a lot of attention.

08:39The pass rush wasn't very good, period.

08:41And with run defense, it's kind of hard with you're not

08:43Anthony Jennings or Jabril Peppers to gain a lot of attention.

08:47But he was a dynamic player, gave you some legitimate juice

08:50in the pass rush department, really active with his hands.

08:53He's more explosive

08:54than some of the other interior defenders that they have.

08:57And he's got some explosiveness, which you don't get from a Devon Godshaw.

09:01Again, he is about 300 pounds.

09:03Doesn't give you a ton of size, but he holds his ground.

09:06Well, you didn't see a lot of low lights from Jeremiah Farms,

09:09and he started to play more and more, which Marcus Covington said

09:12was a reflection of how he played in practice and what he was putting on the tape.

09:16So I think Godshaw is a valuable player.

09:19I hope they find a middle ground.

09:20I think he's a really, really well respected and coveted player,

09:23especially in the locker room, but specifically at the heart of that run defense.

09:27But between Equality and Jeremiah Farms, I think they have,

09:31you know, a solid one to punch there if they were looking to replace

09:34some of Devon Godshaw snaps.

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10:57I'm totally with you.

10:58And I looking at the room as a whole as well, like now granted

11:02defensive tackle versus nose tackle kind of your roles on the on the team

11:06can kind of switch up and things like that.

11:07But they've already shelled out all this money to Barmore.

11:10And now somebody else in the same room is kind of like the same type of thing

11:13where you have Barmore locked down and you can go to guys

11:15like you mentioned the quality and farms to kind of, you know, pick up the slack

11:19where if you're missing that on the run defense, Godshaw leaves

11:22that can kind of pick that up.

11:23The other thing I'll note that is that this is a team that we've talked about.

11:28It's sort of getting ready for 2025, right?

11:29Like they're not you know, they're not really trying to win now.

11:33They're not trying to lose.

11:33They're not trying to tank.

11:34But this is a forward looking franchise.

11:37And the oldest guy in that room is a quality at 30.

11:40The next two is teachers wise and Godshaw at 29.

11:43The rest of them, Barmore, Tristan Hill Farms, Armand Watt, Sam,

11:47like all those guys, Keone White, they're all 27 or younger.

11:50They want to build this thing and try and get younger.

11:53So if they can't come to a middle ground with Godshaw,

11:55I don't think they're going to necessarily shell out a huge chunk of change for him

12:00to get him to stay, even if it's again, the middle ground might be something

12:03that Mike Giardi wrote about, which we're going to get to another thing.

12:05He said in a second where you just guarantee him the money on his contract

12:09this year and call it that don't extend them.

12:11Don't pay him off into twenty five, twenty six, et cetera.

12:13Just let him stay on the team and give him his money up front.

12:16So we'll see what happens there.

12:17But I do want to know, too, from Mike Giardi and from Boston Sports Journal.

12:21He wrote the other day that the Patriots reached out to

12:27another well-paid defensive tackle back in March during free agency.

12:31So and he notes, was it foreshadowing their feelings on Godshaw's

12:35playing personality?

12:36Question mark.

12:36Either way, it's a situation that bears monitoring.

12:39So it does bear monitoring.

12:40It's here.

12:41They did reach out to a defensive tackle in free agency.

12:44So maybe they were foreshadowing what they want to do with Godshaw.

12:47They might not want to give them the extension.

12:48They might want to pay him, et cetera.

12:49So let's take a look at sort of where Godshaw lines up

12:54as far as money right now

12:56and what an extension could look like or something along those lines

12:58with the other guys in the in the defensive tackle.

13:01Yeah. So first, just from a Patriots perspective,

13:04so we understand how much Barmore is actually making

13:07and how much he counts specifically against the cap.

13:09He is one of the higher players in that pecking order.

13:12It's Matthew at the top.

13:14Jonathan Jones underneath him.

13:15Two guys you expect to play pretty much every down for you.

13:18And then Devon Godshaw is third, which is a lot for a nose

13:22tackle who really only gives you an impact in the run defense.

13:26Again, he does play enough snaps that he is clearly a starter,

13:29but he's not a guy that you want on the field on third downs

13:32or obvious pass situations.

13:34And then with the guys under him, Michael and when you obviously

13:37every down player

13:38who can be elite as a run defender and pass protector, if used the right way,

13:42then you do Schuster.

13:43We all know that was a mistake.

13:44So, yeah, that number 11.8 million against the cap.

13:47His money isn't guaranteed.

13:48Again, they could cut him and all those things would change.

13:50But it is significant that he's making so much money or counts

13:54so much against the cap,

13:55considering he's really more of a role player

13:57who still does play starting number of snaps and looking at the position.

14:02Now, a couple of guys who did go to other teams,

14:04DJ Reader around the same age, also making around the same money.

14:09He's making 11 million.

14:10Gotcha is making 10.4 million.

14:12And then Sheldon Rankins, who Mark Daniels actually,

14:15you know, connected the Patriots and Rankins.

14:18He's making 12.25.

14:19But he's also more of one more of a three technique,

14:22not really a nose tackle tackle.

14:24He's more of a pass rusher.

14:26So I think if you're looking at, you know, Devon Gotchoff,

14:28he doesn't just want guarantees, but wants a pay bump.

14:31You'd probably be looking at more like Grover Stewart up here.

14:33He's making 13 million.

14:36I don't know. A lot of dough, Taylor.

14:37That's a lot of money.

14:39Yeah. And again, like we said, people are getting paid on this team,

14:42but you have to draw the line somewhere.

14:43And I think a guy who is only a run defender on a team

14:46that wants to improve their pass rush, it's probably a liability

14:49or a guy who could potentially be the line where they say, hey,

14:52we have to stop somewhere.

14:54It's going to be right here again.

14:55The guarantees are one thing, but

14:57I just don't really think he's got a leg to stand on because these guys,

15:01Grover Stewart is older, but he's a really good player.

15:03He's a little more pass rush than I'd say you get from Gotchoff.

15:07So, yeah, just looking at the age of these players

15:09and the amount of money they're making, I think Gotchoff is in the range

15:12that he should be at.

15:12But really, I think the most realistic thing would just say,

15:16hey, we're going to fully guarantee your contract.

15:17They have the cap space

15:19and then maybe see what happens after this season.

15:22Yeah, totally. We shall.

15:23We shall see what happens there, Taylor.

15:25Again, Devon Gotchoff looking for what could be a pay bump.

15:29What could be an extension held out this spring heading into summer tweets

15:32last night that they're looking to get something done.

15:34We have just under a month until training camp starts.

15:36We got those dates today starting up on July 25th, I believe.

15:41So all those I will add all those open to the public so fans can go at their leisure.

15:46Those I tweeted those out earlier.

15:47You can also find it on Patriots.com.

15:49So we'll see what happens with Gotchoff again.

15:51They have about a month to kind of get it done.

15:52Maybe hopefully they don't leak it into training camp,

15:55but definitely a situation to monitor as again, defensive tackle Devon

15:59Gotchoff looks for a pay bump and may look for a contract extension.

16:03Also, that's where we got the numbers.

16:05I should have said, yeah, yeah.

16:06All those numbers, of course.

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