00:00It really shocked me, the statement given by Josh Butler.
00:04He given a statement like there should not be any international cricket clashing with IPL.
00:09I actually agree with him.
00:11So why do you think only the IPL should get that thing?
00:13Well, it's a good question, but I just think it's because the players get so well rewarded for going there.
00:20So the national pride will go away?
00:22So to represent your country, the national pride should go away on the basis of you earning more bucks?
00:30Well, it's just the nature of the beast in 2024, I'm afraid.
00:34It's the modern way, it's the modern thinking.
00:37Whether it's absolutely morally right is a very good question.
00:40But I just think the IPL is such a big juggernaut now that it's very, very hard for these international boards to compete with it.
00:48When he first agrees with Hafeez, then Hafeez says that this is a national pride, let's put it aside.
00:52Then it's a game of money.
00:54He says the question is good, the moral is fine, but it's like this, it's like that.
00:58Have you seen what Adam Gilchrist has to say about this?
01:28It's a fair concern.
01:31I was more your line of thinking while I was playing, but I do think the landscape has changed.
01:36And we as former players and former generations need to understand that the landscape is going to evolve in that space.
01:45There's no right or wrong answer.
01:47That the reality is the commercial beast is there and everyone wants to be on as part of that ride rather than falling off it.
01:56Okay, interesting.
01:59As a layman, I didn't expect this conversation to happen where more than two players are advocating that IPL is there, it's a big league, there's money, there's national pride.
02:15But it's also true that there's money, the landscape has changed.
02:18That's why there's no right or wrong answer to this question.
02:20Your point is also morally right, but it's not a clear answer.
02:25As a cricketer, does it hurt you that leagues, league cricket has come so far that people are starting to speak against international cricket?
02:32That, hey, league cricket is happening, there's money, don't play international cricket.
02:35The players who were there till 2005 or 2006, they used to give priority to the country.
02:43So now the dynamics have changed.
02:45Now, after 2015, everyone is going for the money.
02:48Now the name has come here, IPL.
02:51If the Dubai league is also happening, and they give a good amount, then all the players will go there.
02:57They have just gone to play in Dubai, Emirates League.
03:01So in the coming days, this thing will become very common.
03:04The country should not give priority.
03:06Do you agree with Hafeez's opinion in this?
03:08The country should give priority.
03:10But now they won't.
03:12Because cricket is not played for pride, it's played for money.
03:17With apologies, the situation in our country, you tell us what the situation is.
03:22So in that, the person will go for the money, right?
03:25It's a simple thing.
03:27I think the money you get in international cricket, what else do you get?
03:31But the league only started at the next level, you know better.
03:33Because next level, country first always.
03:35If you play for the country, you will get those leagues.
03:39The time you get is free.
03:41But a person like Adam Gilchrist, Vaughan, Butler, these people,
03:45It has become a global phenomenon.
03:47Till 2006, I am saying, even till 2010, there was a lot of pride.
03:50They used to leave it and go.
03:52There was league cricket, there was IPL.
03:54But they used to go.
03:56But the England team, like Butler said,
03:58I don't think they can miss their season in England.
04:00They will have to come back.
04:02Because earlier it was a league of one and a half months,
04:04now it's more than two months.
04:06But keeping an opinion, isn't it also disappointing that
04:08the captain of a team keeps this opinion
04:10that when this league is going on, don't keep international matches.
04:12Because money is being made.
04:14Money is being made, but it's not a good thing.
04:16It's not good for the boys at the time of the message.
04:18Presenting international cricket to the country
04:20should be the first priority.
04:22When some boys left IPL,
04:24Mr. Sunil Banawaskar said that
04:26it is very disappointing for me.
04:28He is saying that it is very disappointing for me
04:30that the boys are leaving IPL.
04:32Don't play for your country, play for IPL.
04:34It is written in their contract
04:36that if there is a national duty,
04:38you will have to come back.
04:40I have a prediction for 2030.
04:42There will be so many leagues
04:44that the countries will have to take permission
04:46from the leagues to release their players.
04:48It will be the other way around.
04:50This is the blueprint of football.
04:52There are so many leagues in football
04:54that there are no bilateral matches.
04:56There is the World Cup, Euro, Copa America.
04:58If there is a friendly match,
05:00that too far and few between.
05:02There will be more money, more glamour,
05:04and the quality of cricket will be reduced.
05:06You are talking about international Pakistani players,
05:08we are talking about international players.
05:10We are talking about international Pakistani players.
